Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Lady Byakugan]

I would overrep Sonic, DK, and Zelda.

Sonic would have Tails, Knuckles, Eggman, Amy, Metal Sonic, and Shadow.

DK would have Funky, Dixie, Cranky, Tiny, and Lanky.

Zelda would have Skull Kid, Fierce Deity, Ghirahim, Midna, Impa, and Wolf Link

 

[AzureFlame4]

Fun way to show character interest I saw on gamefaqs.

Spoiler: Tier list

 

[Deleted member]

Fun way to show character interest I saw on gamefaqs.

Spoiler: Tier list

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This person does not want to play Dedede and Jigglypuff?
Who does this person think he is?

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Learn more: https://t.co/8oCgQXcAaZ pic.twitter.com/4DuZjk1ADB

— Nintendo of America (@NintendoAmerica) August 16, 2018

Reggie has a Skull Kid on his desk in this Diablo video

Have fun with this meaningless information.

Here comes the Skull Kid supporters using this as "Skull Kid in Smash boiiiis!".

 

[AzureFlame4]

This person does not want to play Dedede and Jigglypuff?
Who does this person think he is?

It's mine lol I just never had fun playing either before.

 

[Pyra]

This person does not want to play Dedede and Jigglypuff?
Who does this person think he is?


Here comes the Skull Kid supporters using this as "Skull Kid in Smash boiiiis!".

This was basically the first thing I saw when I clicked on the tweet after posting the video in this thread.

Mod Edit: please do not embed pictures with censored words in them. You are welcome to link then with a language warning.

 

[Deleted member]

This was basically the first thing I saw when I clicked on the tweet after posting the video in this thread.

I am not surprised.

Prepare for more of this.

 

[Pyra]

I am not surprised.

Prepare for more of this.

To be fair, the reason I noticed it at all was because I paused on that frame and looked for the first thing I can antagonize the thread with

 

[Murlough]

I just want Geno, Isaac, Bandana Dee, and Banjo to be confirmed so all the fans can be happy. But then again, the Smash fan base will never be satisfied.

Speak for yourself. I don't want 3 of those 4.

Just because someone gripes doesn't mean its because they still want more, it could be because they didn't get what they wanted at all. Believe or not, there are people who don't want obscure characters like Geno, Isaac, or Banjo.

And before anybody starts lecturing me about how Banjo is this super uber popular character that everrrrybody knows: I didn't know who he was and I'm an 21 year-old adult who has been gaming his whole life. Heck if you put Banjo next to Crash and asked me which is which it would take me a hot minute to be able to recognize who was who.

I got all the vets back, mostly Pichu, and Daisy got in so I don't have much room to complain myself, but acting like these magical four characters should cure all room for others to voice their disdain is just dumb. Like "nah where we are now? People can complain that's fine. MY PRECIOUS FOUR WISHLIST CHARACTERS GET IN? Anybody who complains is just never satisfied reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee."

I wouldn't take this post too seriously. I'm just ranting mostly. I had a point wanted to make and my brain stopped like 6 times while typing this up so I prolly don't make much sense. :T

 

[KMDP]

I would overrep Sonic, DK, and Zelda.

Sonic would have Tails, Knuckles, Eggman, Amy, Metal Sonic, and Shadow.

DK would have Funky, Dixie, Cranky, Tiny, and Lanky.

Zelda would have Skull Kid, Fierce Deity, Ghirahim, Midna, Impa, and Wolf Link

Hmm...

Zelda: Vaati, Impa [Sheik Echo], Tetra, Lana
Pokémon: Dragonite, Tyranitar, Gardevoir, Chandelure, Genesect
Fire Emblem: Hector, Camilla/Charlotte [Hector echo], Ephraim, Azura [Ephraim echo], Black Knight [Ike Echo]
Metal Gear: Raiden (Cyborg)
Sonic: Tails, Knuckles, Amy, Shadow [Sonic Echo], Eggman
Final Fantasy: Tifa Lockhart, Sephiroth, Zack Fair [Cloud Echo], Warrior of Light, Terra Branford
Golden Sun: Isaac, Felix [Isaac Echo]

This was basically the first thing I saw when I clicked on the tweet after posting the video in this thread.

I would just like to point out that the yellow of the Yellow chair is the same colour as Isaac's scarf (almost exactly).

And the pillows and couch are very evocative of Felix.

Unlike the previous office, you can spin the August Direct's office to mean multiple things.

 

[DraginHikari]

It would have to be on par with Final Fantasy 7 in terms of success for people to accept an 8th Fire Emblem character. Since that level is success is obviously not going to happen, the reception to a character from Three Houses is going to be extremely polarizing. And that's assuming the game itself doesn't end up being polarizing.

It's a post-Awakening Fire Emblem game it's going to be polarizing no matter what Intelligence System does. It's either going to be too similar to Awakening or Fates which will irritate old school FE fans or it will be too different will will irritate the Post-Awakening FE fans.

 

[Blue7113]

Speak for yourself. I don't want 3 of those 4.

Just because someone gripes doesn't mean its because they still want more, it could be because they didn't get what they wanted at all. Believe or not, there are people who don't want obscure characters like Geno, Isaac, or Banjo.

And before anybody starts lecturing me about how Banjo is this super uber popular character that everrrrybody knows: I didn't know who he was and I'm an 21 year-old adult who has been gaming his whole life. Heck if you put Banjo next to Crash and asked me which is which it would take me a hot minute to be able to recognize who was who.

I got all the vets back, mostly Pichu, and Daisy got in so I don't have much room to complain myself, but acting like these magical four characters should cure all room for others to voice their disdain is just dumb. Like "nah where we are now? People can complain that's fine. MY PRECIOUS FOUR WISHLIST CHARACTERS GET IN? Anybody who complains is just never satisfied reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee."

I wouldn't take this post too seriously. I'm just ranting mostly. I had a point wanted to make and my brain stopped like 6 times while typing this up so I prolly don't make much sense. :T

I mean it’s not all about you. Most fans want them anyway. You have to admit the Smash fan base is never satisfied. Who’s the one you do want?

 

[Darkraid]

What’s a little gift between friends? Join Reggie and CEO of Blizzard, Mike Morhaime, as they talk about the complete #DiabloSwitch experience coming this fall.

Learn more: https://t.co/8oCgQXcAaZ pic.twitter.com/4DuZjk1ADB

— Nintendo of America (@NintendoAmerica) August 16, 2018

Reggie has a Skull Kid on his desk in this Diablo video

Have fun with this meaningless information.

They are really hinting it!

 

[AzureFlame4]

You know what I don't get? Black Knight as Ike's echo. I can't imagine him doing Aether or Ike's side B. I understand wanting the character in, but as Ike's echo? Nah.

 

[TMNTSSB4]

Pit is just so basic and unlike Mario doesn't really pack much of a punch

Spoiler

Don’t Talk Mess About The Angelic and Illiterate Hero

"Boom!Sonic is only a good design off the strength of the already strong Sonic Design. The scarf and all that sports tape is just extra, needless clutter.

Extra...Needless...did you just disrespect the only Sonic who actually loves Amy and can turn into a human?

Palutena is just super sluggish.

Spoiler

 

[Deleted member]

You know what I don't get? Black Knight as Ike's echo. I can't imagine him doing Aether or Ike's side B. I understand wanting the character in, but as Ike's echo? Nah.

Side B is the one of Ike's Specials I can see him doing, actually.
Though unless they somehow make his armor more slim(which would defeat the point), he really wouldn't work as an Echo simply due to the armor.

 

[Murlough]

I mean it’s not all about you. Most fans want them anyway. Who’s the one you do want?

My point actually was "its not all about you."

Prove "most fans" want all 4 of them. You literally can't. Even if every person on Smashboards came into this thread and said "Yeah, I want those 4," that still does not mean "most fans" want them all.

Anyway, the characters I want don't have a chance anymore so it doesn't matter.

All I'm trying to say is that "If *these specific characters* get in no one should complain" is an unreasonable statement because not everybody wants the same characters. I do agree people shouldn't be so adamant about their complaining but I also recognize that people have every right to.

 

[KMDP]

You know what I don't get? Black Knight as Ike's echo. I can't imagine him doing Aether or Ike's side B. I understand wanting the character in, but as Ike's echo? Nah.

Okay, so... this is what I'd change.

Black Knight can keep most of Ike's moves (like his basic attacks and Counter).

Change out Eruption for something similar to Chrom's version of Flare Blade, but give it Shield Breaking properties and call it "Luna".
Change out Aether for Roy's Blazer, just without the fire (So "r", har har). Or change it for "Warp" (a Teleport).
Change out Quick Draw for a slowed down "Dancing Blade", renamed "Eclipse", which also eats through shields.

Is it too many changes? *shrug* But Black Knight can be an Ike Echo just fine.

Extra...Needless...did you just disrespect the only Sonic who actually loves Amy and can turn into a human?

I did! What'chu gonna do 'bout it, huh?

 

[Untouch]

I feel bad for nintendo's PR interns during smash release season.

 

[Jedisupersonic]

I feel bad for nintendo's PR interns during smash release season.

Yeah they basically have to deal with the worst from every single franchises fanbase that smash has :/

 

[Blue7113]

My point actually was "its not all about you."

Prove "most fans" want all 4 of them. You literally can't. Even if every person on Smashboards came into this thread and said "Yeah, I want those 4," that still does not mean "most fans" want them all.

Anyway, the characters I want don't have a chance anymore so it doesn't matter.

All I'm trying to say is that "If *these specific characters* get in no one should complain" is an unreasonable statement because not everybody wants the same characters. I do agree people shouldn't be so adamant about their complaining but I also recognize that people have every right to.

I understand not everyone will be satisfied. Just those are the top 4 favorites so a lot of people should be. I meant, out of those four which one do you want?

 

[Pakky]

Spoiler: Marric

Spoiler: Marric

Spoiler: Marric_hood

"Skull Kid is going to be considered Newcomer"

Can we all stop assuming Skull Kid is going to be in the game, please? We don't (and can't) know that yet.

Well, Gardevoir is a popular Pokémon. Gothitelle, on the other hand...

You misspelled "Guilmon", Pakky.

Boom!Sonic is only a good design off the strength of the already strong Sonic Design. The scarf and all that sports tape is just extra, needless clutter.

AHHH man!!!

Thanks!

 

[TMNTSSB4]

well first off Imma need to tell you ya replied in the quote box just like I have done at this specific moment in time

And then Imma do this

Spoiler

 

[NintenZ]

There are really only two things I would be disappointed by in Smash if they happened, either a non-Echo Isabelle gets added or a Fire Emblem character that isn’t Lyn wouldn’t make me upset, just disappointed.

Otherwise everything is fair game to me.

 

[Pyra]

Yeah they basically have to deal with the worst from every single franchises fanbase that smash has :/

And even a step further- the fans that are almost obsessively toxic to other people because their characters didn't make it in.

Or are they real fans to begin with? /s

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Oh man, who's ready for Skull Kid in Ultimate? It's happening

 

[KMDP]

AHHH man!!!

Thanks!

You're welcome, Pakkymon.

Also if we got Guilmon we could get Masako Nozawa, just sayin'. Then we'd have both Goku voices in Smash.

And then Imma do this

Spoiler

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Yeah, I fixed the quote problem, I accidentally deleted a "[".

But, you're right, Boom!Sonic should go in the trash.

 

[Gumzilla]

Oh man, who's ready for Skull Kid in Ultimate? It's happening

 

[TMNTSSB4]

Yeah, I fixed the quote problem, I accidentally deleted a "[".

But, you're right, Boom!Sonic should go in the trash.

Only the games and not the glorious show with Knuckles the “Buff Arms Yet Still Can’t Do Leg Day Feminist” Echidna

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

Elite 4, gym leaders , evil team bosses and totem Pokémon are all bosses surely

Since you're mostly just facing Pokemon owned by trainers, they're not really what I would call boss bouts. Just about any trainer can own something like a Gyarados, so it's not like it's unique to Gym Leaders or Elite Four members.

 

[SlickWylde]

Oh man, if I were the Smash director, 99% of the fans here would hate me and stop playing Smash Bros lol.

Assuming I was only the directer of a new game, and all of the previous games still existed:

First thing I'd do is take characters that seem too similar to their counterparts and make them skinswaps - , , ,, (So that's 5 cuts to the roster size)

Then, I'd make sure that each original (SSB64) franchise gets representation: So gets Black Shadow, gets Porky

I'd add Dixie Kong, Geno, and Waluigi due to popularity

Instead of trying to add a bunch more 3rd party franchises, I'd expand existing ones. I'd add Dr Eggman, Dr Wiley, Sephiroth

For my most unpopular part, I would make some cuts: ,

For stages, I would actually cut many. I'd try to keep all of the popular ones (Fountain, Corneria, Battlefield, Final D, Kirby Tree stage etc) but I'd get rid of the scrolling stages (maybe have like 1), all of the ginormous stages, and stages with really annoying hazards.

For the stages I add, I would add some fun ones that wouldn't be viable for competitive, but I'd make an effort to add at least 5 new stages that are "basic" (for Comp) but that make up for it with amazing visuals and music.

For Modes:

I would add a story mode that has In game engine cutscenes to save on time, but it would be pretty lenghty and similar to Subspace in epicness

I would try to give players a lot more control of items, and with items like assist trophies and pokemon, allow players to decide what characters/items can spawn from these.

I think that's it.

 

[Arcadenik]

Reggie has a Skull Kid on his desk in this Diablo video

At first I thought it was Skull Kid amiibo for Smash Ultimate but a closer inspection tells me it looks like the "World of Nintendo" Skull Kid action figure.

 

[WingedSupernova]

I kinda wanna see the rage that happens if Skull Kid is only a boss now lol

 

[Blue7113]

Oh man, if I were the Smash director, 99% of the fans here would hate me and stop playing Smash Bros lol.

Assuming I was only the directer of a new game, and all of the previous games still existed:

First thing I'd do is take characters that seem too similar to their counterparts and make them skinswaps - , , ,, (So that's 5 cuts to the roster size)

Then, I'd make sure that each original (SSB64) franchise gets representation: So gets Black Shadow, gets Porky

I'd add Dixie Kong, Geno, and Waluigi due to popularity

Instead of trying to add a bunch more 3rd party franchises, I'd expand existing ones. I'd add Dr Eggman, Dr Wiley, Sephiroth

For my most unpopular part, I would make some cuts: ,

For stages, I would actually cut many. I'd try to keep all of the popular ones (Fountain, Corneria, Battlefield, Final D, Kirby Tree stage etc) but I'd get rid of the scrolling stages (maybe have like 1), all of the ginormous stages, and stages with really annoying hazards.

For the stages I add, I would add some fun ones that wouldn't be viable for competitive, but I'd make an effort to add at least 5 new stages that are "basic" (for Comp) but that make up for it with amazing visuals and music.

For Modes:

I would add a story mode that has In game engine cutscenes to save on time, but it would be pretty lenghty and similar to Subspace in epicness

I would try to give players a lot more control of items, and with items like assist trophies and pokemon, allow players to decide what characters/items can spawn from these.

I think that's it.

Why would you expand on existing third party series? It’s a Nintendo fighting game. The rest is good though

 

[Pyra]

I kinda wanna see the rage that happens if Skull Kid is only a boss now lol

Hi, avid supporter of Skull Kid here.

I would love if he got upgraded from his ****ty assist trophy to a boss in story mode.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

In the Brawl days we would have said "The prophets have spoken!"

I'm a believer. Not a trace, of doubt in my mind. I'm in l... oops, that part makes less sense

 

[TMNTSSB4]

First thing I'd do is take characters that seem too similar to their counterparts and make them skinswaps - , , ,, (So that's 5 cuts to the roster size)
For my most unpopular part, I would make some cuts: ,

Toon Link as an alt for Young Link...rather Tink kills off Yink

And Bayo could just be nerfed to bottom tier...or at best high tier

 

[WingedSupernova]

Why would you expand on existing third party series? It’s a Nintendo fighting game. The rest is good though

I can understand that because Sonic, Mega Man, and Final Fantasy were huge series that mean a lot to Nintendo's history.

 

[KMDP]

Only the games and not the glorious show with Knuckles the “Buff Arms Yet Still Can’t Do Leg Day Feminist” Echidna

Speaking of Boom Knuckles.

ShayMay actually pointed out an issue with his design in his video "Sonic Spitball Part 2" that I agree with.

Whether you like the Super Buff look or not, his large torso draws attention away from his namesake. Regular Knuckles' hands are huge, they are obviously a major part of his design. Boom Knuckles is just "Generic Strong Dude".

I'm a believer. Not a trace, of doubt in my mind. I'm in l... oops, that part makes less sense

Next you'll be saying that we're going to get Shrek.

 

[Murlough]

I understand not everyone will be satisfied. Just those are the top 4 favorites so a lot of people should be. I meant, out of those four which one do you want?

Bandana Dee. He's the only one I feel should be in. The others, minus Crash, just feel like random obscure characters from the Nintendo 64 era.

I know this is just an opinion. I actually have asked why people want Isaac or Geno because I just don't see the appeal and I was just ignored.

So, to me those two are about as relevant as Fossil Fighter or the ghost chicks from Paper Mario: Thousand Year Door. I've played Golden Sun and from what remember Isaac who a generic anime RPG protagonist. Him being considered one of the "Top 4 most wanted Smash characters" is basically blasphemy to me. I don't know anything about Geno but from what I assume hes another side character in super Mario RPG. Hes appeared in one game. For reference, Daisy has appeared in one main game and people said she has no chance. Geno, who appeared in one-side game as another buddy you can use, for some reason is considered a "Top 4 most wanted Smash character." Even if Sakurai likes him it just seems like blasphemy to me.

Crash is an icon from what I'm told at least so I actually can see an argument for him. The other two just do not compute in my head, but if anybody feels like explaining their appeal to me I'm not opposed to reading it. I'm not blindly hating on the characters or anything. I just didn't grow up with them and I know next to nothing about them. My mind can be changed.

With that being said claiming "these 4 characters are THE most wanted Smash characters *period*" is complete and utter bull**** and I've already said why. Prove. It. Give some evidence. Are you including the younger fanbase AT ALL? Casuals? Do you see the problem here?

 

[Guybrush20X6]

Um....you are conflating a lot of information.

Ivysaur is clearly in it because of the trinity with Pokemon Trainer. Wii Fit is one of the top selling games on the Wii. Robin is an obvious choice if you like the gameplay of Fire Emblem and are tired of the boring, contemporary leads.

I'm not saying Gothitelle is not going to be in the game (though, even if she is, Id argue that the 'leak' is still a guess, given all that is wrong with how it is written).

Someone in Japan: I'm told Gothitelle is quite popular there. Is this at all true?

My overall point is that they're characters that didn't have that many people asking for them. The reasoning were different between each (everyone just said Chrom because he was the biggest character on the boxart/that Gematsu leak) but I'm using them as a sample of the general unpredictability, even if they seem obvious in hindsight.

That said, Sakurai could very well do something like take all of Japan's Magnemite meme votes seriously... (neveraskmeforanythingeveragain)