Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[AzureFlame4]

I'm pretty sure that leak was trying to be an obvious troll because Gothitelle and Gardevoir? Really? They probably thought Richter couldn't possibly be a thing as I imagine most other people thought so he wanted to make it more obviously fake.

 

[Smooth Criminal]

I will forever remember Shulk as "photoshopped Little Mac."

Smooth Criminal

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Honestly the Moon should have been what Skull Kid did in the first place. It's what everyone knows about the game and what's best associated with Skull Kid. Not some random bull**** that screws everyone over. I guess it's supposed to be about how he pulled pranks on everyone but that's like having Alucard cause RNG bull**** because he went through a creature of chaos that takes many incarnations

 

[MasterOfKnees]

Personally I don't believe the chairs are a coincidence, they were the absolute first thing that caught my eye in the Direct as they just didn't fit in, and I think we shouldn't underestimate how well Sakurai knows the fanbase. It's not like when you prepare such a big presentation that you just waltz into a room with a camera and start recording just like that either, of course they've set up the room to look in a specific way, and he would know that anything that stands out will be taken note of.

What it means is a whole other thing though, it could be something really minor, or even something that we wouldn't be able to figure out now but might be able to see as a hint in hindsight (like maybe it's related to the Spirits mode or something else that hasn't been revealed).

 

[blazefan519]

Like, Chrom and Dark Samus were basically the "Wait, why are their alt colors missing? What does it mean?"

About the E3 demo, and then Sakurai says "You may have seen this coming"


He's intentionally leaving hints for us this time instead of people proclaiming that "RIDLEY'S IN THE CLOUDS"

To be fair, with the Ike costume thing, his costumes are a combination of his Brawl and Smash 4 costumes since it uses both of those designs. They could have likely gotten rid of Chrom's just to make space. Plus, Fox has his Wolf costume and Wolf is in, I doubt that him getting rid of the costumes meant much. Dark Samus I can see tho since she does look very similar to regular Samus if she had the DS costume.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Considering hindsight showed us the E3 room had a clue for K. Rool, I think analyzing the Smash Direct room is worth a shot.

But let’s not lose our minds over it, okay?

 

[Thirdkoopa]

Except this time he's being a lot more cheeky about it.


I'm a staunch believer in the red eyes claim, because we got not 1, not two, but THREE characters that it fits in the same Direct.


And he already acted like we knew Chrom and Dark Samus were in due to the E3 build.

Also the fact that this game is very different in its cycle than the previous games. Hell, this is Nintendo’s first post-Splatoon Smash (Ninty’s first big online success).

Like... we have patterns to work off of, but they don’t tell the full story. The last trailer we got is the second time in history that five newcomers have been revealed in one event with the first being Brawl.

So... yeah. Just some food for thought. At the end of the day, though, hype responsibly.

Apparently this leak also mentions a "Mario2", which the leaker thinks could be Paper Mario or a Mario 64 version of the character. I think this leak could actually be real because Mario2 could very easily be a carbon copy of Smash 64 Mario. If you go back and rewatch the direct Sakurai talks about how every returning stage has updated graphics, that is every stage except the ones from Smash 64, where the team prioritized nostalgia by keeping the retro look. It would make sense to complete the nostalgia trip by recreating a polygonal Smash 64 version of Nintendo's mascot, complete with 64's sound effects and janky looking moves as the final numbered playable fighter in Ultimate (at least until DLC, assuming that happens). We've already seen a similar thing play out in Odyssey with the Mario 64 costume, so why not Smash? It's such a weird thing to claim in a leak but it actually makes a ton of sense given what we've seen so far.

Link to the original for anyone interested.

okay so

Amazing ampharos already pointed this out, but Mario2 would likely be a test menu thing.

(not that a Mario echo is unlikely, given that it’s frickin’ Mario)

I will forever remember Shulk as "photoshopped Little Mac."

Smooth Criminal

Can not unsee also grats on becoming a mod

 

[Guybrush20X6]

Speaking of missing alt colors, Zelda doesn't have a Hilda alt in site of how obvious that would be.

I'm thinking Zelda's moveset but with Palutena's staff forward tilt at least.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Considering hindsight showed us the E3 room had a clue for K. Rool, I think analyzing the Smash Direct room is worth a shot.

But let’s not lose our minds over it, okay?

Wait when was this?

 

[Jibblypuff_]

Listen, man. All I'm saying is that Mario's fire flower alt is gone...

 

[blazefan519]

Wait when was this?

They're referring to the ladder and barrels shown in the E3 Direct

Listen, man. All I'm saying is that Mario's fire flower alt is gone...

So is his American Mario Golf outfit. Mario Golf Mario confirmed for Smash!

 

[YoshiandToad]

Honestly, this reminds me more of the time when people claimed to see characters hidden in the Smash 4 trailers. Bowser Jr. in Mega Man's, Pacman in Greninja's, and Duck Hunt in Shulk's. At this point who knows?

Years later I still cannot for the love of me see Bowser Jr in that rock formation.

 

[Thirdkoopa]

There’s definitely hints around. The biggest one I remember was in the April 2014 direct with Greninja in it. Substitute was used at one point.

So, who could the chairs mean? The biggest two suspects in mind are “we have acknowledged waluigi” and “skull kids in, guys”

Speaking of missing alt colors, Zelda doesn't have a Hilda alt in site of how obvious that would be.

I'm thinking Zelda's moveset but with Palutena's staff forward tilt at least.

This and an Olimar echo are two ideas I feel people are sleeping on.

 

[KMDP]

To be fair in this case? What kind of room randomly has a barrel and a rope ladder in it?

Why purple and yellow chairs in the office when you can get more neutral colors that won't draw the eyes off Sakurai?

You can't deny it's at least a BIT suspicious.

You know, I was thinking; at the end of this month's direct, as it's fading out to the K. Rool trailer. Doesn't it look an awful lot like Sakurai is smirking?

 

[blazefan519]

There’s definitely hints around. The biggest one I remember was in the April 2014 direct with Greninja in it. Substitute was used at one point.

So, who could the chairs mean? The biggest two suspects in mind are “we have acknowledged waluigi” and “skull kids in, guys”

There are also people thinking it's a Karate Joe reference with his Costume used in Remix 7 in Rhythm Heaven Fever on Wii, the same costume and remix that he does the same pose DK does in the K. Rool trailer.

 

[Zeox]

E3 ends with a villain, Ridley (room teases DK)
August direct ends with a villain, K. Rool (Room teases Skull Kid)
Next stream probably will end with a villain, Skull Kid (Room will tease next character in this streaming too?)

 

[Tree Gelbman]

You know, I was thinking; at the end of this month's direct, as it's fading out to the K. Rool trailer. Doesn't it look an awful lot like Sakurai is smirking?

I think that might just be because he knows a whole lot of people are about to lose their minds because of K Rool.

 

[Nonno Umby]

I can't wait to see where all these Illuminati talks about the chairs, red eyes and background objects will bring us.
If they mean something this would only cementified my respect for Sakurai.
If this is all wishful thinking and we have no Skull Kid, Isaac, Geno etc etc...man I can't even imagine the meltdown.

 

[vaanrose]

I'm of the opinion Sakurai is now 100% indulging the fans who'd pore over everything looking for clues where they didn't exist. They seem to have their finger squarely on the fanbase's dial this time.

 

[Jetsurge]

Wait when was this?

I think it's the ladder and barrel

 

[KMDP]

I'm of the opinion Sakurai is now 100% indulging the fans who'd pore over everything looking for clues where they didn't exist. They seem to have their finger squarely on the fanbase's dial this time.

Sakurai: They want hints? I'll give them goddamn hints!!

 

[CyberHyperPhoenix]

I'm of the opinion Sakurai is now 100% indulging the fans who'd pore over everything looking for clues where they didn't exist. They seem to have their finger squarely on the fanbase's dial this time.

Well, after the whole red eyes comment and with the reveal of Simon with bloody tears music and K. Rool soon after, I second this.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I'm of the opinion Sakurai is now 100% indulging the fans who'd pore over everything looking for clues where they didn't exist. They seem to have their finger squarely on the fanbase's dial this time.

Then I really want to know what that DBZ shot was doing in the K.Rool trailer then

 

[BrytonJ]

Just a pie in the sky idea but I'd love to see a stage option where it morphs through every stage in the game at random until you've hit them all. Would be great for those classic 99 stock matches.

Just a lil fun idea. Aight now back to chair discussion.

 

[blazefan519]

The only reason I'm being skeptical is because I don't want disappointment. If all this speculation about chairs, poses, eyes, and whatnot turn out to be true, then I'll most likely just reconsider what it means to be a Smash fan, apologize for being wrong yet again, and praise Sakurai for being the god that he is.

 

[T-Hell]

Think it through.. why in the blue hell would Sakurai have that random ass barrel and rope ladder in that room?

 

[Guybrush20X6]

Speaking of stages, I'd like an option to arrange them by the chronological order of the games that inspired them. That way we can go on a fight through history without needing a chart

 

[Tree Gelbman]

Imagine the remaining newcomer list was:

Isaac
Geno
Isabelle
Skull Kid
Shadow
Tails
Insert other random echoes here.
Goku

Would people still be mad about Goku at the end of day?

 

[KMDP]

Think it through.. why in the blue hell would Sakurai have that random *** barrel and rope ladder in that room?

He was just really in a Jungle mood that day.

 

[Zeox]

Imagine the remaining newcomer list was:

Isaac
Geno
Isabelle
Skull Kid
Shadow
Tails
Insert other random echoes here.
Goku

Would people still be mad about Goku at the end of day?

Yes

 

[PLATINUM7]

Imagine the remaining newcomer list was:

Isaac
Geno
Isabelle
Skull Kid
Shadow
Tails
Insert other random echoes here.
Goku

Would people still be mad about Goku at the end of day?

Yes. People would still be mad.

 

[PSIGuy]

All this talk of that image reminds me of this:

The way I saw it, each of those characters DID get a new character... or at least, another roster slot. Lucina, Sheik (on her own), Palutena/Dark Pit and Zero Suit Samus (on her own).

 

[Tree Gelbman]

He was just really in a Jungle mood that day.

Sakurai's interior decorator: So bold. So unique. You really should join my firm and stop making video games for a living.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Imagine the remaining newcomer list was:

Isaac
Geno
Isabelle
Skull Kid
Shadow
Tails
Insert other random echoes here.
Goku

Would people still be mad about Goku at the end of day?

Yes because people are petty enough to go "THIS ONE CHARACTER RUINED THE ROSTER" every ****ing game. But uhhhhhh. I'd be hype

 

[Tree Gelbman]

Yes. People would still be mad.

Okay, but why?

Sakurai has literally given you the majority of every single major fan want over the years at that point.

Why get mad over him having a little silly fun with Goku?

 

[PLATINUM7]

Okay, but why?

Sakurai has literally given you the majority of every single major fan want over the years at that point.

Why get mad over him having a little silly fun with Goku?

People can be very petty.

All it takes is one addition or exclusion for some people and suddenly they forget everything else in the game they like.

 

[Zeox]

Okay, but why?

Sakurai has literally given you the majority of every single major fan want over the years at that point.

Why get mad over him having a little silly fun with Goku?

Because that will open a can of worms that would ruin the future DLC requests and next Smash.

 

[KMDP]

I could never be mad at Goku.

Sakurai's interior decorator: So bold. So unique. You really should join my firm and stop making video games for a living.

Sakurai: *plays DK Island Swing on a stereo*
Dev Team: Oh god, not this again.
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Right, guys. I've got to go to bed.

I'm rather glad I stayed up a little longer though, managed to catch that... interesting tweet as it happened, rather than coming in 10 hours late. XD

G'night, y'all.

 

[MoonlitIllusion]

Imagine the remaining newcomer list was:

Isaac
Geno
Isabelle
Skull Kid
Shadow
Tails
Insert other random echoes here.
Goku

Would people still be mad about Goku at the end of day?

Yes, Goku really shouldn't be in a video game about celebrating the history of video games over other actual video game characters

If Goku got in before Dixie, Bandana Dee, Krystal, Isaac and so many others I'd be mad annoyed

 

[Tree Gelbman]

Because that will open a can of worms that would ruin the future DLC requests and next Smash.

Not necessarily. Goku wouldn't necessarily open the door for other characters like Shrek or Spongebob.

That's just fears and pettiness.

Meme requests wise he does have a long history in gaming much like Mickey Mouse, etc.

After all Goku IS one of the very few outside media characters who does have pretty strong ties to video games.

And if he legit specifies that this is a one time event. Would you really have any case to be mad? If it's just a one time event like everyone returning?

I'm not saying I support Goku or anything, but I don't really see any true reason to be petty about it if the rest of the newcomer list is about pleasing us.