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Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

Almost one month has passed since release. In retrospect....

  • This is by far the best Smash ever. Like, I don't even know how they will top this.

  • Pretty freakin' good; I have a few qualms over things like internet play, balancing issues, etc.

  • It's ok, but [insert Smash game here] is better.

  • I'd rather play Parcheesi.


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I think people are focusing too much on the angle and not looking at the picture itself. This could just be Sakurai trying to recreate a Monster Hunter scene and tweeting it since the series is so popular in Japan.

I wouldn't say this is 100% a Golden sun reference.
Except it doesn't look anything like a Monster Hunter scene. It looks EXACTLY like how RPGs that Camelot pumps out are done. They love putting the villains in the spot of the Rathalos and the heroes at that angle, some people even in that very thread showed how other Camelot rpgs do the same thing.

 
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Also, if it was a Golden Sun reference, you'd think Robin would be in the shot since elemental magic is such a big deal in that franchise, but nope.
 
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And still no hints about Geno unfortunately...

I don't know anything about Golden Sun. I played it a long time ago, but I don't remember a lot about it. So I'm just going to take y'alls word on that
I mean after the daisy tweet, the geno and mallow tweet is pretty suspect, that's about as much as a hint as you'll probably get tbh. I'm pretty sure both him and Isaac are coming now since this game is about fulfilling old requests seemlingly

Hope that means Dixie as well
 

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Also, if it was a Golden Sun reference, you'd think Robin would be in the shot since elemental magic is such a big deal in that franchise, but nope.
Actually Robin would be in the shot because of the fact that Isaac's Japanese name is Robin. I'd believe it was a reference to Golden Sun if that was the case.
 

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Was the NeoGaf leak the only ‘leak of interest’ so far that’s had Isaac listed?
Yes, but the good news is no other leaks of interest said he's a nope.

:)

(bar like one but for the moment we're not really paying attention to it since there's like, nothing else substantial in it)
 
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Actually Robin would be in the shot because of the fact that Isaac's Japanese name is Robin. I'd believe it was a reference to Golden Sun if that was the case.
Robin's Japanese name isn't Robin though, it's Reflet or something.
 

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Well, while that image just shouts "Golden Sun", here's something to think about.

It's an RPG-style picture, obviously Golden Sun inspired.

In the event we get more RPG-style images... who are the two big RPG characters that have been requested since before Brawl?
 

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Except it doesn't look anything like a Monster Hunter scene. It looks EXACTLY like how RPGs that Camelot pumps out are done. They love putting the villains in the spot of the Rathalos and the heroes at that angle, some people even in that very thread showed how other Camelot rpgs do the same thing.

And like others have pointed out, Rathalos might have been too big for a close-up, so they had to do it at this angle.

And even if his size wasn't an issue, a simple side shot wouldn't look nearly as epic. The most likely scenario here is that Sakurai genuinely likes the picture and thinks it looks cool. Could be wrong, but I feel like that's the most realistic explanation.
 

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i know this is obvious but
Well, while that image just shouts "Golden Sun", here's something to think about.

It's an RPG-style picture, obviously Golden Sun inspired.

In the event we get more RPG-style images... who are the two big RPG characters that have been requested since before Brawl?
super mario
rpg
it is the only one just for me
when i play this game i get lost in a phase
then i find out i'm stuck in golden sun
 

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Actually Robin would be in the shot because of the fact that Isaac's Japanese name is Robin. I'd believe it was a reference to Golden Sun if that was the case.
But Robin's japanese name is reflet, doesn't really work in that sense since sakurai wouldn't refer to him as robin obviously
 

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Robin's Japanese name isn't Robin though, it's Reflet or something.
But Robin's japanese name is reflet, doesn't really work in that sense since sakurai wouldn't refer to him as robin obviously
I am aware of that and it's not like Smash can't have two characters of the same name anyway (Roy and Roy). I'm just saying that it'd be more of evidence towards it being a Golden Sun reference. Sakurai is aware of the western fans and should know that Robin's English name is Robin.
 
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I am aware of that and it's not like Smash can't have two characters of the same name anyway (Roy and Roy). I'm just saying that it'd be more of evidence towards it being a Golden Sun reference. Sakurai is aware of the western fans and should know that Robin's English name is Robin.
That doesn't really make sense.

He wouldn't refer to Bowser as Bowser, he'd refer to Bowser as "Koopa", since that's Bowser's Japanese name.

He wouldn't refer to Jigglypuff as that, he'd refer to her as "Purin", etc etc etc
 
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That doesn't really make sense.

He wouldn't refer to Bowser as Bowser, he'd refer to Bowser as "Koopa", since that's Bowser's Japanese name.

He wouldn't refer to Jigglypuff as that, he'd refer to her as "Purin", etc etc etc
Yeah I know, but that doesn't mean he's unaware of their English names lol
 

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Sakurai: I can't even retweet the actual good stuff my fans make because of speculation.

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Yes, but the good news is no other leaks of interest said he's a nope.

:)

(bar like one but for the moment we're not really paying attention to it since there's like, nothing else substantial in it)
Didn't Loz say something about him theorizing that all the newcomers are promotional based or something? Maybe he knows more than us but almost everyone revealed up until now have been pretty irrelevant.
 

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the other thing to keep in mind in regards to small stuff like "Why didn't he use Robin?" is that Sakurai is one person and there's a bunch of people working on this and the last thing you want to do in game development is get too hooked on detail or else your game will never come out.
 

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He literally cannot even sit in a room without it causing speculation.
To be fair in this case? What kind of room randomly has a barrel and a rope ladder in it?

Why purple and yellow chairs in the office when you can get more neutral colors that won't draw the eyes off Sakurai?

You can't deny it's at least a BIT suspicious.
 

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To be fair in this case? What kind of room randomly has a barrel and a rope ladder in it?

Why purple and yellow chairs in the office when you can get more neutral colors that won't draw the eyes off Sakurai?

You can't deny it's at least a BIT suspicious.
The fact that he knew we knew Chrom and Dark Samus were already in.


I swear if next Direct is a ****ing Skull Kid+Isaac reveal, can we stop with the "Sakurai's not messing with us, guys!"
 

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The fact that he knew we knew Chrom and Dark Samus were already in.


I swear if next Direct is a ****ing Skull Kid+Isaac reveal, can we stop with the "Sakurai's not messing with us, guys!"
if that's the next reveal imma die okay game fans.

If Geno and Isaac get revealed, imma actually be fully dead
 

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I have always been on the camp of "Don't look into things too much." But at this point with the red eyes thing referencing both Simon and K Rool, I really don't know what to think.
 

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The fact that he knew we knew Chrom and Dark Samus were already in.


I swear if next Direct is a ****ing Skull Kid+Isaac reveal, can we stop with the "Sakurai's not messing with us, guys!"
Sakurai is always messing with us, but sometimes it doesn't means the character you want is in smash:



People take this as a hint that Ridley was playable in Smash 4 and as a total confirmation... and then you know what happen.
 

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Sakurai is always messing with us, but sometimes it doesn't means the character you want is in smash:



People take this as a hint that Ridley was playable in Smash 4 and as a total confirmation... and then you know what happen.
Except this time he's being a lot more cheeky about it.


I'm a staunch believer in the red eyes claim, because we got not 1, not two, but THREE characters that it fits in the same Direct.


And he already acted like we knew Chrom and Dark Samus were in due to the E3 build.
 

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About the moon.

Obviously if it was Also Skull Kids final smash, it wouldn't function the same.

Skull Kids final smash would be more cinematic. The moon wouldn't actually crash into the fighters, it would crash in front of them miles away, causing an explosion to wipe out the earth, just like the game over screen.
 
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i have no idea why the Neogaf leak is getting attention while the leak that actually guessed Richter (probably the most unguessable newcomer) and also survived the direct, also correctly guessed K Rool and Dark Samus, AND wasnt deconfirmed by either dark samus or gardevoir being shown off as an assist trophy or pokeball pokemon repectively, is getting pushed aside.

it didnt even have many characters on it and gardevoir and dark samus could have ruined it instantly so not "safe" guesses by making its number of known characters "small". it has friggin gothitelle which NO ONE would try and fake a leak without claiming something like "every character gets an echo fighter" but nope this one ONLY has gothitelle and dark smaus as known echos. PLUS its origin story is completely plausible, datamining a copy of the demo from a tournament.

that leak has SO much going for it imo its crazy, im shocked it isnt being talked about like gospel.
Apparently this leak also mentions a "Mario2", which the leaker thinks could be Paper Mario or a Mario 64 version of the character. I think this leak could actually be real because Mario2 could very easily be a carbon copy of Smash 64 Mario. If you go back and rewatch the direct Sakurai talks about how every returning stage has updated graphics, that is every stage except the ones from Smash 64, where the team prioritized nostalgia by keeping the retro look. It would make sense to complete the nostalgia trip by recreating a polygonal Smash 64 version of Nintendo's mascot, complete with 64's sound effects and janky looking moves as the final numbered playable fighter in Ultimate (at least until DLC, assuming that happens). We've already seen a similar thing play out in Odyssey with the Mario 64 costume, so why not Smash? It's such a weird thing to claim in a leak but it actually makes a ton of sense given what we've seen so far.

Link to the original for anyone interested.

Edit: Apparently Mario2 would most likely be a copy for testing, but I've already talked myself into wanting Smash 64 Mario so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.
 
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Except this time he's being a lot more cheeky about it.


I'm a staunch believer in the red eyes claim, because we got not 1, not two, but THREE characters that it fits in the same Direct.


And he already acted like we knew Chrom and Dark Samus were in due to the E3 build.
Three? Who besides K Rool?? How does red relate to Simon or the echoes?
 

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Said leak also said that Simon wasn't playable and that Richter was the only Castlevania character.

That or they """conveniently""" left Simon out.
 

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Honestly, this reminds me more of the time when people claimed to see characters hidden in the Smash 4 trailers. Bowser Jr. in Mega Man's, Pacman in Greninja's, and Duck Hunt in Shulk's. At this point who knows?



 
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Like, Chrom and Dark Samus were basically the "Wait, why are their alt colors missing? What does it mean?"

About the E3 demo, and then Sakurai says "You may have seen this coming"


He's intentionally leaving hints for us this time instead of people proclaiming that "RIDLEY'S IN THE CLOUDS"
 
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