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Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

Almost one month has passed since release. In retrospect....

  • This is by far the best Smash ever. Like, I don't even know how they will top this.

  • Pretty freakin' good; I have a few qualms over things like internet play, balancing issues, etc.

  • It's ok, but [insert Smash game here] is better.

  • I'd rather play Parcheesi.


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That he didn't fit? I doubt that, considering that that is the whole point of Smash. Snake fits a lot better with Samus than Mario does.
No he can fit in the series. But, I believe the weapons were the turn off. (Ex. Rocket Launchers) During the brawl, Sakurai tried to tone them down the best he could. So I guess this time they figured that the weapons wouldn't fit in the newer cartoon style. Heck the ray gun in Smash 4 looks more cartoony than in the previous installments. So, Snake could fit in but I think trying to make the weapons fit in the new style could be the issue. Although I can be very wrong about this.
Article: https://sourcegaming.info/2015/06/16/solid-snake-joins-the-brawl-translation/
 

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Between the Wii and the Switch.
Not the Wii U.
Thanks for the correction. I meant the Wii. But I feel that the jump between Wii U and Switch isn't incredibly significant to be honest and if they could pull from Wii for Wii U they could likely do the same from Wii to Switch. Just my thoughts.
No he can fit in the series. But, I believe the weapons were the turn off. (Ex. Rocket Launchers) During the brawl, Sakurai tried to tone them down the best he could. So I guess this time they figured that the weapons wouldn't fit in the newer cartoon style. Heck the ray gun in Smash 4 looks more cartoony than in the previous installments. So, Snake could fit in but I think trying to make the weapons fit in the new style could be the issue. Although I can be very wrong about this.
Article: https://sourcegaming.info/2015/06/16/solid-snake-joins-the-brawl-translation/
Good observation. Though, seeing as how Bayonetta made it in I could argue against that. I mean yeah they're very stylized but you wouldn't mistake those for anything other than a gun. And they do shoot real bullets, which I still find odd.

Making the realistic weaponry look more cartoonish to fit in the style might have been a hurdle but I don't see it as a reason they would cut Snake. I think it's deeper and more complex than something just not fitting in. And I won't lie. It was probably Konami.
 

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Thanks for the correction. I meant the Wii. But I feel that the jump between Wii U and Switch isn't incredibly significant to be honest and if they could pull from Wii for Wii U they could likely do the same from Wii to Switch. Just my thoughts.

Good observation. Though, seeing as how Bayonetta made it in I could argue against that. I mean yeah they're very stylized but you wouldn't mistake those for anything other than a gun. And they do shoot real bullets, which I still find odd.

Making the realistic weaponry look more cartoonish to fit in the style might have been a hurdle but I don't see it as a reason they would cut Snake. I think it's deeper and more complex than something just not fitting in. And I won't lie. It was probably Konami.
Yeah who knows. It was only speculation. But whatever the reason Snake isn't in he wasn't meant to be sadly.
 

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And I won't lie. It was probably Konami.
Its quite obvious considering Konami's terrible business practices and their disrespect towards their workers and fans makes me think there would be no point in having Snake in if Konami is all but a bunch of shells of their former selves. It's hard to ignore such an iconic character like Snake to be left out when we all want him to return, but hey, what else is there to do about it.
 

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I remember reading an interview a short while back where Sakurai said he didn't even consider bringing Snake back for Wii U/3DS. It seems like it was just a one time favor to his friend Kojima, who begged for him to be in Melee when Melee was already too far into development.

Plus, adding Snake back to Smash wouldn't really be as much of a gift to Kojima anymore, because of his falling out with Konami, who totally own MGS.
 

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Its quite obvious considering Konami's terrible business practices and their disrespect towards their workers and fans makes me think there would be no point in having Snake in if Konami is all but a bunch of shells of their former selves. It's hard to ignore such an iconic character like Snake to be left out when we all want him to return, but hey, what else is there to do about it.
I can see that being the case for DLC, but not for the base roster since the Konami mess didn't start until 2015 I think

I remember reading an interview a short while back where Sakurai said he didn't even consider bringing Snake back for Wii U/3DS. It seems like it was just a one time favor to his friend Kojima, who begged for him to be in Melee when Melee was already too far into development.

Plus, adding Snake back to Smash wouldn't really be as much of a gift to Kojima anymore, because of his falling out with Konami, who totally own MGS.
https://www.gamnesia.com/news/sakurai-didnt-even-consider-snake-for-the-new-super-smash-bros I think this is it. Unfortunately, the source doesn't work
 
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I remember reading an interview a short while back where Sakurai said he didn't even consider bringing Snake back for Wii U/3DS. It seems like it was just a one time favor to his friend Kojima, who begged for him to be in Melee when Melee was already too far into development.

Plus, adding Snake back to Smash wouldn't really be as much of a gift to Kojima anymore, because of his falling out with Konami, who totally own MGS.
I think many people overlook some of this. Snake was added as a favor. That favor is over. This means the key incentive to bring Snake back isn't really there. Kojima's fallout with Konami muddies it further. I'd still love him back, but that won't matter if the companies don't show any interest in doing so.
 

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I remember reading an interview a short while back where Sakurai said he didn't even consider bringing Snake back for Wii U/3DS. It seems like it was just a one time favor to his friend Kojima, who begged for him to be in Melee when Melee was already too far into development.

Plus, adding Snake back to Smash wouldn't really be as much of a gift to Kojima anymore, because of his falling out with Konami, who totally own MGS.
Sakurai has stated on multiple occasions that he hated cuts, and that he knows every character has it's own fanbase, and would do everything in his power to bring back every character he physically could. Considering Snake was so popular in Brawl I doubt he just outright wasn't considered for Smash Wii U. Seems like a total waste. The one-time favor thing makes Sakurai out to seem like he ONLY cares about Kojima when that couldn't be farther from the truth. He knows Snake was a popular Smash character.

By the way where did you see this interview? I've looked forever for Sakurai to even mention Snake in a post Smash 4 interview. The only one I found was his comparison between Snake's and Cloud's reveal reaction.
 
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Yeah this was it. Although I was wrong about it being an interview, and it's just a source apparently close to Kojima instead, the main point still stands.

I think many people overlook some of this. Snake was added as a favor. That favor is over. This means the key incentive to bring Snake back isn't really there. Kojima's fallout with Konami muddies it further. I'd still love him back, but that won't matter if the companies don't show any interest in doing so.
This. I'd love Snake to make a return. He didn't fit in at all, but that's what made it charming. The SSE cutscenes with him interacting with Lucario and Meta Knight still crack me up.

However, Konami doesn't seem to have any interest in putting MGS on Nintendo, and there's no sign of Metal Gear Survive (which currently has no Snake in sight) coming to the Switch. MGS has really only had a remake on the GameCube and 3DS and isn't associated with Nintendo beyond that. Besides the original favor, there's no real reason why Snake should be in Smash. I'd kill for a MGS HD Collection on Switch though.
 

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I can see that being the case for DLC, but not for the base roster since the Konami mess didn't start until 2015 I think
Oh yeah, around the time when they cancelled P.T. aka Silent Hills and the overabundance of pachinko machines with their Ips, including MGS3. At this point in my opinion, I wouldn't consider characters like Simon Belmont or Bomberman to be in Smash anytime soon unless Konami gets their groove together which I doubt; oh, and don't get me started on Bomberman R, that isn't enough for me or anyone to win back Konami's trust.

So to put it this way, Snake is pretty much a one shot favor at this point.
 

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Sakurai has stated on multiple occasions that he hated cuts, and that he knows every character has it's own fanbase, and would do everything in his power to bring back every character he physically could. Considering Snake was so popular in Brawl I doubt he just outright wasn't considered for Smash Wii U. Seems like a total waste. The one-time favor thing makes Sakurai out to seem like he ONLY cares about Kojima when that couldn't be farther from the truth. He knows Snake was a popular Smash character.

By the way where did you see this interview? I've looked forever for Sakurai to even mention Snake in a post Smash 4 interview. The only one I found was his comparison between Snake's and Cloud's reveal reaction.
The interview I mentioned wasn't an interview after all, but was merely a source apparently close to Kojima.

However, I did find a quote directly from Kojima from 2014 (when he still worked at Konami) and he claimed that Sakurai never even asked if Snake would return. He did ask that if Sakurai was reading to consider bringing back Snake (you can read that here: http://nintendoeverything.com/kojima-wants-snake-in-the-new-smash-bros-but-its-not-likely-to-happen/) and would in 2015 retweet a custom Snake amiibo on a Smash base, signaling that he'd love to see it. Sakurai never responded to any of this though.

I feel like it's also worth nothing that there's a really good chance Sakurai won't head Smash Switch's development. Yeah he said Melee and Brawl were both his last Smash games, but now he has the hand problem, and I think that could really stop him from giving in and coming back. And if Sakurai doesn't come back, the reason of the favor isn't there anymore, and the only real reason would be fan demand.
 
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Alright, I got you ****ers numbers when Snake makes it back in this time! :p

Granted, I don't see him all that likely either. However, I do find it VERY unlikely that Sakurai was just like "There you go, he's in. Happy? Now I can cut him next time!". Like... no. Sakurai knows that he's a popular character and, I hope, is a more proper business man than to let a personal vendetta between Kojima and Konami snuff away Snake's fanbase. Even still him "not fitting" is a worse argument. Literally, the only good argument against Snake is licensing issues. And I absolutely get that, **** happens. Even still, now that Konami is, hopefully, getting their **** together we'll see Snake return in Smash 5. I don't however see Bomberman, or Simon, or really any Konami character making it in before Snake. I feel like they'd face the same exact issues Snake did and all in all getting a veteran is a better bet.

The interview I mentioned wasn't an interview after all, but was merely a source apparently close to Kojima.

However, I did find a quote directly from Kojima from 2014 (when he still worked at Konami) and he claimed that Sakurai never even asked if Snake would return. He did ask that if Sakurai was reading to consider bringing back Snake (you can read that here: http://nintendoeverything.com/kojima-wants-snake-in-the-new-smash-bros-but-its-not-likely-to-happen/) and would in 2015 retweet a custom Snake amiibo on a Smash base, signaling that he'd love to see it. Sakurai never responded to any of this though.

I feel like it's also worth nothing that there's a really good chance Sakurai won't head Smash Switch's development. Yeah he said Melee and Brawl were both his last Smash games, but now he has the hand problem, and I think that could really stop him from giving in and coming back. And if Sakurai doesn't come back, the reason of the favor isn't there anymore, and the only real reason would be fan demand.
This is interesting and all, and yeah, I was here through all of this. At the time we figured Kojima was just acting coy and obviously wasn't going to outright say whether Snake was in or out. However, this still doesn't confirm that Snake was never even considered. Maybe Nintendo and Konami had discussions but overall things just didn't work out. Remember how Sonic came back into Smash? Alongside an announcement of a 3 Sonic game Exclusivity deal with Nintendo. How unlikely is it that Nintendo wanted something similar from Konami? Even then, maybe Sakurai was approached by Sega to put Sonic in but never got the same from Konami, so he decided that it wasn't worth the trouble? Seriously, until something is simply stated "this is why Snake wasn't in", like poor Ridley, I feel like it's all air. No one can really know exactly how everything played out during development.
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I feel like it's also worth nothing that there's a really good chance Sakurai won't head Smash Switch's development. Yeah he said Melee and Brawl were both his last Smash games, but now he has the hand problem, and I think that could really stop him from giving in and coming back. And if Sakurai doesn't come back, the reason of the favor isn't there anymore, and the only real reason would be fan demand.
I also feel Snake is more likely if Smash 5 is a port of Smash 4. In which case it would be easier to fill out an already huge roster with veterans like Snake, Ice Climbers, and Wolf while still adding a few newcomers. This port would also be likely overseen by someone else and in that case said director might take notice of the fan demand for Snake in which case maybe we'll get him.

The moment a brand new Smash game is announced and not a port is the moment I lose all hope for Snake. So don't worry guys you'll only have to hear me blather about my favorite character until then.
 
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I think that we can all agree that Snake was the first character to be cut.
I can agree with that.

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On another note. Which characters do y'all think are basically guaranteed for Smash Switch?

I'd say Spring Man/Ribbon Girl and the Inklings are for sure. Anyone else?
 
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The difference is that Dr. Mario had unused Brawl data while Pichu didn't, meaning Doc coming back was always possible.
Dr. Mario was at least intended to return for Brawl if time allowed while Pichu was one of two characters that weren't meant to return at all, the other being Young Link.


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Ok, fair point and you guys are probably right but I will say that it is debatable if Pichu was actually planned for Brawl or not. Many believe that Pra_Mai was supposed to be Pichu. Now I know that Pra_Mai kind of translates to Plusle and Minun but for one thing it doesn't literally translate like all of the other forbidden seven names. Check out 3:35 of RelaxAlax's video to see my point.
Dr. Mario was popular. Pichu wasn't nearly as popular.

Dr. Mario has the same hurtbox as Mario. Pichu is a different size from Pikachu.

Dr. Mario is cool (even though he should just be a costume). Pichu isn't cool.
The hurtbox thing is fair but I'm that sure that Dr. Mario was more "popular" than Pichu. I know Pichu was a joke character and the worst one in the game but I always thought he was still more liked just for being at least a different character from Pikachu unlike the doc who is literally just Mario in a doctor outfit. Also, I'm pretty sure Sakurai doesn't care all too much about how "cool" characters are. He takes fan demand for characters as important to some degree but that's not always the case as we see in the likes of K.Rool, Waluigi, etc. Also I'm sure Wii Fit Trainer wouldn't have been considered a "cool" addition to the roster by many before her reveal.
 
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Sakurai has stated on multiple occasions that he hated cuts, and that he knows every character has it's own fanbase, and would do everything in his power to bring back every character he physically could. Considering Snake was so popular in Brawl I doubt he just outright wasn't considered for Smash Wii U. Seems like a total waste. The one-time favor thing makes Sakurai out to seem like he ONLY cares about Kojima when that couldn't be farther from the truth. He knows Snake was a popular Smash character.
Just because he hates cuts doesn't mean he won't do them. And in the end, guests aren't solely up to him.

So literally only one of two things could have happened:

a. Sakurai actively chose to leave out Snake in favor of new guest blood for the new game's roster (which would be Mega Man as opposed to Pac-Man; in the music file categories, the letter used for the Metal Gear music in Brawl was used for Mega Man music in Smash 4)

or b. Like what happened with Inafune before, neither Sakurai nor Kojima made an attempt at contacting each other, which was an unfortunate circumstance.


The roster was reaching its finalized concept in early 2012, which meant the guests already had to have been approved of and licensed by their home companies by that point.
And we can't really blame Konami being ****heads at this point in time like we can now.
 

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I can agree with that.

On another note. Which characters do y'all think are basically guaranteed for Smash Switch?

I'd say Spring Man and the Inklings are for sure. Anyone else?
My bets would be:
Rex with/or without Pyra from Xenoblade Chronicles 2
Dixie Kong
Labo Robot Kit
A retro character- either Takamaru, Mach Rider or an Excitebiker
BOTW Link
and our returning favorites such as the Ice Climbers & Wolf. Not counting Snake sadly.
 
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I can agree with that.

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On another note. Which characters do y'all think are basically guaranteed for Smash Switch?

I'd say Spring Man/Ribbon Girl and the Inklings are for sure. Anyone else?
I'd sell both of my kidneys if Inkling isn't in.

Spring Man I'm not so sure on. I've always listed Inklings and Spring Man together as two locks, but when's i started to think about it I wasn't sure.

Spring Man seems a bit impractical to be playable in smash. He only punches, and his punches can stretch over hallways across Final Destination. They managed to make Little Mac playable using 99% punches, but they used real boxing techniques, of which there are many. Spring Man just punches at different angles and can grab people. Sound more like Assist Trophy material to me.

I am certain of ARMS representation in general. Definitely an ARMS stage, and probably an assist trophy like i believe.

Or maybe they could have ARMS be a temporary item. You pick it up and you temporarily get a pair of basic arms that allow you to punch across the stage for a short time. That'd be kind cool.


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Other characters...
- I think Rex & Pyra/Mythra is quite likely. They're really pushing xenoblade as one of their big series, and I think the game is definitely getting some representation.
- BotW Link and Zelda are either alternate costumes or are becoming the main costumes. I'm leaning towards having BotW Link and Zelda and TP Ganondorf as the main character trio would be odd, so keeping the TP-inspired look for all of them makes the most sense.
- New Pokemon. If Gen 8 is out then a Gen 8 Pokémon. If it isn't then Decidueye.

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I'd also sell my hypothetical third kidney if Ice Climbers don't come back.
 
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I'm leaning towards having BotW Link and Zelda and TP Ganondorf as the main character trio would be odd, so keeping the TP-inspired look for all of them makes the most sense.
Or their Hyrule Warriors' appearances, since Hyrule Warriors is coming to the Switch around March in Japan and possibly in the summer or fall of this year in the US and other regions.
 
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Of characters from franchises that already have characters (aka no Inklings or Spring Man) who do you think is the most likely?

Popular choices are probably Decidueye, Captain Toad, Bandana Dee and Dixie Kong

My choice would be Bandana Dee.
 

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I can agree with that.

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On another note. Which characters do y'all think are basically guaranteed for Smash Switch?

I'd say Spring Man/Ribbon Girl and the Inklings are for sure. Anyone else?
Ice Climbers, easily. Also a Gen VII or Gen VIII Pokemon. I wouldn't count on any more than 1 Pokemon though. The roster is getting bigger and bigger, and I doubt we're seeing any Pokemon cuts(beyond possibly Mewtwo not making it to the base roster, and I doubt that'll be the case any more), a new Fire Emblem Lord(depending how soon Smash Switch comes out, of course. Development time affects what is actually recent for a game), and while I'd like to say Wolf, he feels more like a pipe dream now.
 

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Or their Hyrule Warriors' appearances, since Hyrule Warriors is coming to the Switch around March in Japan and possibly in the summer or fall of this year in the US and other regions.
As much as Scarf Link and Shogundorf make me tingly inside, I doubt they'd use designs from a third-party-developed game for Link, Zelda, and Ganondorf's main looks in the new Smash game. I'd love them as alternates though. Especially Shogundorf if Ganon finally gets a sword-based moveset.
 

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As much as Scarf Link and Shogundorf make me tingly inside, I doubt they'd use designs from a third-party-developed game for Link, Zelda, and Ganondorf's main looks in the new Smash game. I'd love them as alternates though. Especially Shogundorf if Ganon finally gets a sword-based moveset.
We're literally more like to see Ganon getting a sword-based moveset as his own playable Moblin character than Ganondorf being sword-based at this point. Which isn't likely either. Ganondorf pretty much is stuck as a clone for a life, mind you, a hard-hitting lord of immense Power, but still.
 

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As much as Scarf Link and Shogundorf make me tingly inside, I doubt they'd use designs from a third-party-developed game for Link, Zelda, and Ganondorf's main looks in the new Smash game. I'd love them as alternates though. Especially Shogundorf if Ganon finally gets a sword-based moveset.
That's as close as it could be to a convienent trio without forgetting one, but I can understand seeing them as alternate costumes.
 

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Ice Climbers, easily. Also a Gen VII or Gen VIII Pokemon. I wouldn't count on any more than 1 Pokemon though. The roster is getting bigger and bigger, and I doubt we're seeing any Pokemon cuts(beyond possibly Mewtwo not making it to the base roster, and I doubt that'll be the case any more), a new Fire Emblem Lord(depending how soon Smash Switch comes out, of course. Development time affects what is actually recent for a game), and while I'd like to say Wolf, he feels more like a pipe dream now.
I could still see Wolf happening. Again, like Snake, he's more likely in a port but I wouldn't say he's a pipe dream. Ice Climbers are almost definitely a lock though.
 

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I could still see Wolf happening. Again, like Snake, he's more likely in a port but I wouldn't say he's a pipe dream. Ice Climbers are almost definitely a lock though.
He feels like one since his main time in the sun is already done. Unless development happened after DLC was finished, which is close enough to Zero's own release time, and even then, that's years off. Based upon recency specifically, I feel he missed his mark.
 

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My bets would be:
Rex with/or without Pyra from Xenoblade Chronicles 2
Dixie Kong
Labo Robot Kit
A retro character- either Takamaru, Mach Rider or an Excitebiker
BOTW Link
and our returning favorites such as the Ice Climbers & Wolf. Not counting Snake sadly.
Playing fast and loose with the term “guaranteed”, aren’t we?
 

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We're literally more like to see Ganon getting a sword-based moveset as his own playable Moblin character than Ganondorf being sword-based at this point. Which isn't likely either. Ganondorf pretty much is stuck as a clone for a life, mind you, a hard-hitting lord of immense Power, but still.
I know, but a lad can dream...

I still hold by my position that I've held throughout Smash 4 prediction times:
Ganondorf should get a new, sword and/or magic-based moveset.
To appease those who enjoyed his semi-clone moveset, his old moveset would be repurposed into Black Shadow from F-Zero, would is absolutely perfect to serve as a darker, harder hitting Captain Falcon semi-clone.

Too bad that will never happen because I'm a 17 year-old kid on the internet and Sakurai is 47 year-old Demi-God who only grows younger in appearance as he ages.

I'd love to see a LttP-style, trident-wielding, blue pig Ganon as his own character, and that'd honestly appease me for GanonDORF being a semi-clone, but that probably will never happen either.
 

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Ice Climbers, easily. Also a Gen VII or Gen VIII Pokemon. I wouldn't count on any more than 1 Pokemon though. The roster is getting bigger and bigger, and I doubt we're seeing any Pokemon cuts(beyond possibly Mewtwo not making it to the base roster, and I doubt that'll be the case any more), a new Fire Emblem Lord(depending how soon Smash Switch comes out, of course. Development time affects what is actually recent for a game), and while I'd like to say Wolf, he feels more like a pipe dream now.
I see no problem having seven Pokemon. We were going to get at least seven in Brawl and that was when the roster was smaller. Having a bigger roster with one more Pokemon would not be a threat.
 

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I know, but a lad can dream...

I still hold by my position that I've held throughout Smash 4 prediction times:
Ganondorf should get a new, sword and/or magic-based moveset.
To appease those who enjoyed his semi-clone moveset, his old moveset would be repurposed into Black Shadow from F-Zero, would is absolutely perfect to serve as a darker, harder hitting Captain Falcon semi-clone.

Too bad that will never happen because I'm a 17 year-old kid on the internet and Sakurai is 47 year-old Demi-God who only grows younger in appearance as he ages.

I'd love to see a LttP-style, trident-wielding, blue pig Ganon as his own character, and that'd honestly appease me for GanonDORF being a semi-clone, but that probably will never happen either.
Let's just say that having Ganon come in is far more likely than a revamped Ganondorf.

Basically, it makes sense for Sakurai to not remove an entire moveset. Update instead. He cares about all the players, namely the veteran players who enjoyed the old moveset. While he's definitely done updates that requires a lot more adjusting to the new moveset than some(Bowser's latest moveset is far far different), he never removed the core even then. Heck, Luigi has to be played differently in Melee from 64 due to basically not being a Mario clone by that point.

I see no problem having seven Pokemon. We were going to get at least seven in Brawl and that was when the roster was smaller. Having a bigger roster with one more Pokemon would not be a threat.
You are aware there'd be 8 if we added 2 more, right? It's getting a bit bloated. 7 just includes one newcomer and Mewtwo staying. Keep in mind Smash 4 got a single Pokemon newcomer. It's getting to the point where one newcomer is becoming realistic for multiple series to avoid having a huge roster. It was not a big deal up to Brawl, where there was quite a lot of space, but balancing over 50 characters is extremely difficult, even with a few clones(and I only mean the clone trio of Smash 4 in this case, not the ones who play extremely differently despite their clones origins like Ganondorf).
 

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That's as close as it could be to a convienent trio without forgetting one, but I can understand seeing them as alternate costumes.
I mean they could just stick to the Twilight Princess esque designs that fit well in Smash, and maybe if I'm a really good boy this year, add their Ocarina/Melee counterparts as costumes.

That makes me think, maybe if Sakurai heading the next smash after all, we might see a lot more costumes like other fighting games.
Smash certainly does have a gigantic mine full of untapped costume possibilities.

Playing fast and loose with the term “guaranteed”, aren’t we?
Nope. The Labo robot is literally guaranteed and confirmed for Smash Switch. 100%.
 

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I can agree with that.

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On another note. Which characters do y'all think are basically guaranteed for Smash Switch?

I'd say Spring Man/Ribbon Girl and the Inklings are for sure. Anyone else?
Ice Climbers, they were practically guaranteed until Sakurai gave up trying to work with 3DS software. I want them back sooo bad. :(
 

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Yes I did see you said 8. 8 might be pushing it.
I guess it depends on if Mewtwo is high priority at this point, really. Or high enough for the base roster. Base roster being 7 with a DLC character later sounds a lot less silly at this point. I mean, I could see 8 Mario characters.

But considering how even Smash 4 is starting to look like a bloated roster,(especially after just 7 DLC characters) you get the feeling they're trying to be more picky with characters. There's less leeway now that huge amount of balancing is needed.
 

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I can agree with that.

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On another note. Which characters do y'all think are basically guaranteed for Smash Switch?

I'd say Spring Man/Ribbon Girl and the Inklings are for sure. Anyone else?
On the side of newcomers, I can definitely see as 'soft-locks' for playable characters would be Spring Man for ARMS and the Inklings. Rex and Pyra could also work as newcomers as well, given that Xenoblade 2's commercial success so far. On shakier grounds, I can see at least one new Donkey Kong character becoming playable as well, realistically Dixie Kong at this point in time.

If we're talking about Veterans, I can see the Ice Climbers making a comeback. The Switch has more processing power, so it may be able to facilitate the Ice Climbers' tag team mechanic more than the 3DS could. Wolf could also make a comeback - Since most of his moves' properties can be recovered from the custom moves Fox has in Smash 4; so assembling most of his old moveset shouldn't take too much of an investment. Then again, Wolf returning might also depend on whether Star Fox has a foreseeable future (which is kinda unlikely) and whether or not he's important enough to Smash to warrant his return.
 

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I guess it depends on if Mewtwo is high priority at this point, really. Or high enough for the base roster. Base roster being 7 with a DLC character later sounds a lot less silly at this point. I mean, I could see 8 Mario characters.
Yes it's really hard to predict Mewtwo's future for Smash. But, if he keeps on being relevant again then I he'll more likely stay. He definitely received more praise this time around thanks to the balance patches. He definitely has a better shot than during the Brawl speculation IMO. If worse comes to worse, I hope he'll make it by DLC again only to be cheaper than $4.00. That goes to Lucas and Roy too (maybe Corrin?). Not so worried about the other DLC. It would suck paying for them again, but it would be better than nothing. I think it would be redundant to cut Mewtwo again unless nobody wants him like during the time there was a petition to remove him during the brawl speculation. Of course, we don't have any announcement about a new Smash game and only time will tell.
EDIT: Unfortunately, I don't remember where the petition is at. Also, here's the second part of the article of DLC character choices. Sakurai says that Mewtwo was not possible for the retail release. But, I think I know what he means.
Article: https://sourcegaming.info/2016/02/23/nintendo-dream-interview-with-sakurai-part-2/
 
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Yes it's really hard to predict Mewtwo's future for Smash. But, if he keeps on being relevant again then I he'll more likely stay. He definitely received more praise this time around thanks to the balance patches. He definitely has a better shot than during the Brawl speculation IMO. If worse comes to worse, I hope he'll make it by DLC again only to be cheaper than $4.00. That goes to Lucas and Roy too (maybe Corrin?). Not so worried about the other DLC. It would suck paying for them again, but it would be better than nothing. I think it would be redundant to cut Mewtwo again unless nobody wants him like during the time there was a petition to remove him during the brawl speculation. Of course, we don't have any announcement about a new Smash game and only time will tell.
...There was a petition? First I've heard about it.

Yeah, who knows. Mewtwo's fate is always up in the air. Only Arceus can tell now.
 

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...There was a petition? First I've heard about it.

Yeah, who knows. Mewtwo's fate is always up in the air. Only Arceus can tell now.
That was like eeeeeeeaaaarly Pre-Brawl Speculation. I'm talking like 2004-2005. Maybe even earlier.

Apparently, people were upset Mewtwo was as awful as he was in Melee and either wanted him cut, or completely reworked, mostly reworked. Kind of blew up in everyone else's face. Thanks guys! I don't think it was a petition so much just an echo chamber of the then Smash fanbase that was relatively small compared to today. At least in terms of forum traffic.
 
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