Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[ThatRedPlumber]

its a joke...

I was making a joke about how moving the c-stick around is kinda pointless like how those other things were

Oof, that one flew over my head.

 

[FantasticMr.StarPit]

Y'know, the guy voiced the F-Zero Medley. Could be a possibility, not even joking.

I've heard it and its....cool at first but not my favorite. Daytona's Let's Go Away is one of the best songs I've ever heard in my life. If it's in Smash I will scream beyond all limits with joy! Song goes with everything!

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

So why wouldn't he have bought it back when he was making the Mii costume?

That's a good question. I can't say for sure, but what I will say is that the gun on the mech toy, as that was the purpose of the use of the toy, looks far more like the arm cannon on Geno than the Splattershot, Blunderbuss, or even Elma's guns.

The only reasoning I can think of is in terms of developing a playable character as opposed to a Mii Fighter costume. While he'd already have those assets, he might have looked for more detail.

Like I said, I can't say for sure. But one thing is clear: It most closely reflects the appearance of the arm-gun that Geno has.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Ryu has no competition at Tecmo. The entirety of Sonic the Hedgehog does what Luigi did to Mario in Melee Adventure mode back at Shinobi.

also ryu is an NES boi

Well, unless somehow Hyrule Warriors counts as competition(it doesn't, really).

 

[Starbound]

What has loz18 gotten right in the past to make him or his sources credible in the first place?

He had the entire storyboard for K. Rool's reveal trailer described beforehand.

He specifically mentioned "everyone is here" before launch. Verg only said "no cuts", which isn't the same.

His E3 info dump was also more accurate than Verg.

 

[Dee Dude]

Reaction: Mallow gets in instead of Geno.

 

[Zinith]

Reaction: Mallow gets in instead of Geno.

*crosses fingers that that means Boshi comes in*

 

[Will]

That's a good question. I can't say for sure, but what I will say is that the gun on the mech toy, as that was the purpose of the use of the toy, looks far more like the arm cannon on Geno than the Splattershot, Blunderbuss, or even Elma's guns.

The only reasoning I can think of is in terms of developing a playable character as opposed to a Mii Fighter costume. While he'd already have those assets, he might have looked for more detail.

Like I said, I can't say for sure. But one thing is clear: It most closely reflects the appearance of the arm-gun that Geno has.

But there's another problem with that:
It's right there.

He can just update it like he did various characters and objects in the game already. Why not this one?

 

[FantasticMr.StarPit]

Reaction: Mallow gets in instead of Geno.

Um, I guess I'll be like, huh? Him over Geno? life's never the thing you want.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Just a bit confused. Dr. Mario is his own fighter. He's number 18. Lucian is number 21(e) because Marth is number 21 and she's an Echo Fighter of Marth.

Echoes and Clones are not the exact same thing. It's never been a "new name for a clone". It's a specific type of clone that has 1:1 proportions. Though we aren't sure if the same weight and same exact stats are a thing now.

 

[Enchess]

Reaction: Mallow gets in instead of Geno.

I don't really care one way or another if Geno gets in really, but I'd prefer Mallow because I like his design better and remember him better.

Plus the internet reaction would be kinda funny.

 

[FurretBro]

Well, I see there's more conversation on who to trust in regards to leaks. Personally, the way I see it Vergeben has had spot on information and still might. loz may also have solid information but I don't know about him as much.

If he's laying low after the Skull Kid "leak" then Skull Kid is either in the game and the person who leaked it to him got in trouble somehow, or the leaker was given false information with the purpose of ratting out leakers. To me, my guess is that the Skull Kid leak was used to get people narrowed down to figure out who the "rat" was.

Something I noticed, so I figured I'd post it. I matched up the Mech toy picture that Sakurai used the gun for. We've seen Inklings and K.Rool with the blunderbuss. Whose weapon looks more like the mech? Spoiler alert: Neither.

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There IS somebody with a gun that looks kinda similar though...

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Take it for what you all will. I just thought this was interesting to consider, especially if Mii Fighter costumes have been any indication of what to expect.

Holy

 

[NeonBurrito]

BLACK KNIGHT WAS A ****ING BACKGROUND CHARACTER?

SINCE WHEN? I NEVER NOTICED THIS

Since Brawl.

 

[Mc.Rad]

I was watching some smash stuff and all of a sudden this pops into my Youtube History???

Uhh...

These are like unlisted btw

 

[Next Door Dog]

He wears red and is really far in the back.
Plus, it's not like many people picked Castle to begin with.

I do find it interesting they changed his armor from black to red, though. I haven't really put much stock in Black Knight being playable in the game, but it would go well with the whole "rivals" thing folks have been focusing on lately. It could just be the lighting or a change to make the stage even more generic in relation to the FE series.

Speaking of Castle Siege's lackluster second form, with stage morph we could have it transition from the first phase to a better stage (assuming hazards off doesn't freeze it to the first phase).

I just love that they have the Grand Cross as the Final Smash. EVERYONE used Grand Cross lol

I don't think we've seen Richter's FS yet. If it's different from Simon's I'd love to see Hydro Storm/Item Crush, or maybe something involving Maria.

 

[Jedisupersonic]

I just love that they have the Grand Cross as the Final Smash. EVERYONE used Grand Cross lol

Funny enough Simon never used it, but that's more because lack of Item Crashes.

 

[Master_Gamer]

I don't think we've seen Richter's FS yet. If it's different from Simon's I'd love to see Hydro Storm/Item Crush, or maybe something involving Maria.

Oh you're right! Cause Chrom's Final Smash is similar to Roy's but not the same. Yooooo, that'd be legit!

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

But there's another problem with that:
It's right there.

He can just update it like he did various characters and objects in the game already. Why not this one?

As I said, I can't say for sure. Considering he'd be a 3rd party playable character, he may have wanted to update the design.

If not for Geno, I'm really not sure who he'd be referencing it for. That's the better question. If not for Geno, then who? The gun on the mech doesn't match anybody else.

The entire purpose of sharing the images was to say, more than anything, that it may not have been used for what everybody thinks it was for. By comparison, the guns look quite similar, moreso than anybody else with a gun. That was my point. It really has nothing to do with what models he could have used. I'm simply pointing out they're similar, which is definitely food for thought.

 

[FurretBro]

Reaction: Mallow gets in instead of Geno.

Sad but it'd still be amazing and not so sad.

 

[Master_Gamer]

Funny enough Simon never used it, but that's more because lack of Item Crashes.

Oh yeah, you're right. I just remember when I played the Castlevania games, Grand Cross was always a good go-to XD

 

[Mc.Rad]

I was watching some smash stuff and all of a sudden this pops into my Youtube History???

Uhh...

These are like unlisted btw

Also something I learned from it is that Nintendo uploads their Direct stuff a day before the Direct... So... leaks could happen from the social media staff

 

[Jetsurge]

FF still only has 2 pieces of music. God dammit Square.

 

[Knight Dude]

Reaction: Mallow gets in instead of Geno.

I wouldn't feel strongly either way. Except maybe kind of bad for the Geno fans.

You just know the Salt would reach a new level. Not just normal Salt, or Super Salt, or even a Super Salt that has ascended Super Salt, which I called Super Salt 2. But a Salt that goes further....BEYOND....Super Salt 3.

 

[Blargg888]

I was watching some smash stuff and all of a sudden this pops into my Youtube History???

Uhh...

These are like unlisted btw

The little clips of stage hazards that play on the official website are actually Youtube videos in disguise. The same thing happened to me.

 

[Mc.Rad]

The little clips of stage hazards that play on the official website are actually Youtube videos in disguise. The same thing happened to me.

Ah... that explains things...

 

[Shroob]

Wait, Loz had the K.Rool trailer down?

Can I get a link to this?

 

[Master_Gamer]

Echoes and Clones are not the exact same thing. It's never been a "new name for a clone". It's a specific type of clone that has 1:1 proportions. Though we aren't sure if the same weight and same exact stats are a thing now.

Wait, but I'm still confused on what the original poster was talking about. The Echo Fighters are based off the main fighter for sure, but what sets them apart are usually visuals, animations, sometimes frame-data, sometimes move properties, and sometimes attributes. So far all the original clone characters are now different enough to be their own character and the recent Echo Fighters have different attributes and animations. Lucina doesn't have tipper and Dark Pit has a different arrow property (just to name of a couple). I'm not sure how Smash Ultimate is treating it's Echo Fighters, but if it's anything like Smash 4, then they are bound to be similar but with different properties. I mean Chrom is already different enough from Roy! XD

 

[MrSmashFour]

By Chrom logic, Luigi should be an echo of Mario, Pikachu, and Dr. Mario...

 

[Dragoncharystary]

Wait, Loz had the K.Rool trailer down?

Can I get a link to this?

I think people are mixing things up a little bit. He said way back before E3 that there might be some sort of Heroes vs Villains theme to the game. That's probably what people are referencing.

 

[Will]

By Chrom logic, Luigi should be an echo of Mario, Pikachu, and Dr. Mario...

But Luigi came before Dr. Mario

 

[Master_Gamer]

By Chrom logic, Luigi should be an echo of Mario, Pikachu, and Dr. Mario...

I'm not sure that's how that works though o_o Luigi WAS an Echo of Mario in the original Smash 64, then became very different in Melee. I'm just a bit confused as to what you're implying >_<

EDIT: Luigi WAS an Echo of Mario then became his own style of character in Melee, like how Dr. Mario is his own style character now with different moves and properties. I guess what you're saying is since Chrom looks VERY different from Roy, he should be his own character?

 

[Starbound]

Probably the latter. I'd imagine that a scenario along the lines of this occurred:
One of loz18's sources gave him a piece of information that was purposefully fake and meant to smoke out leakers within the company. loz18 leaks this information, and his source gets caught, or has the risk of being caught. Now, his source can tell Nintendo's lawyers who they told, and loz18 then gets in big trouble.

I'm trying to understand why that seems like a likely option, because the idea of feeding him one piece of incorrect info buried in a bunch of other things that, so far, have showed up true, seems like a reach in your scenario. Would you mind clarifying?

I just don't see why this one piece of info would be fake, because it doesn't benefit anyone. If loz works at Nintendo, then he has nothing to gain by planting fake info with real stuff as the detail he has the correct info in will still garner attention (being the K. Rool reveal trailer, which he had pretty much spelt out before the direct). Meanwhile, if his source works at Nintendo and is trying to leak info, they also don't have anything to gain by including false info for the same reason as before, as the details for the correct stuff matters so much more than the percentage of correct information.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Wait, Loz had the K.Rool trailer down?

Can I get a link to this?

Yeah, that is potentially huge.

I'd really like a link please.

 

[Blargg888]

By Chrom logic, Luigi should be an echo of Mario, Pikachu, and Dr. Mario...

Sorry, but that doesn't make any sense.

 

[Makai Wars]

By Chrom logic, Luigi should be an echo of Mario, Pikachu, and Dr. Mario...

Chrom is 1:1 Roy with the only difference being that he has Ike's Up B (and not even the whole thing, rather than throwing the sword up he goes right to the spinning before falling down) There is still nothing unique to Chrom outside the obvious idle stance/taunt/FS.

Luigi is based off of Mario but still has moves and elements unique to him, same with Doc, Pichu, ect.

 

[Icedragonadam]

FF still only has 2 pieces of music. God dammit Square.

Apparently some people may have find out why FF only has 2 themes in the game. Apparently even within in house, there's licensing hell at SE involving the various composers. It's supposedly expensive to license their music. Which has happened with FF XIV.

 

[Shroob]

Just sayin'.

If they're going so far to include **** that only hardcore fans of certain series would get "BEGONE MONSTER, YOU DON'T BELONG IN THIS WORLD!" as example....

If we get Skull Kid, I'm completely expecting a textbox of:

"You've met with a terrible fate, haven't you?"

 

[KingIceSonic]

Which leak is the most likely at this point? With Loz18 hiding and Vergeben dead I dont know who to trust

 

[Pizzanigs]

I think Loz and Vergeben are both credible, but Verge has recently mentioned a couple of times that Loz often rashly puts out stuff he asks him about privately to see if his info lines up. He said some fake leaker told him there'd be no DK reps at launch, asked Loz if he heard anything like that, and Loz put it out. Also he refrained from saying that one of his sources told him Incineroar is in because he was waiting for his other sources to confirm, and again he asked Loz if he heard anything and he put it out there. So while I think both are legit I think Loz is more likely to share fake information if he does share anything in the future

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

its a joke...

I was making a joke about how moving the c-stick around is kinda pointless like how those other things were

>C-Stick Rotation
>Useless

I think Loz and Vergeben are both credible, but Verge has recently mentioned a couple of times that Loz often rashly puts out stuff he asks him about privately to see if his info lines up. He said some fake leaker told him there'd be no DK reps at launch, asked Loz if he heard anything like that, and Loz put it out. Also he refrained from saying that one of his sources told him Incineroar is in because he was waiting for his other sources to confirm, and again he asked Loz if he heard anything and he put it out there. So while I think both are legit I think Loz is more likely to share fake information if he does share anything in the future

I'd say this is likely true. loz18 hastily put out fake information and one of his sources got smoked out, so he bailed as fast as he could.