Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

EDIT: So, um...

...Funky Kong for Smash?

Probably not, but at least he's now the equivalent of Donkey Kong Country Returns 3D's New Mode.

 

[Cosmic77]

I don't know. I can see the announcing it this year while they relase it next year. I don't think thay they will reveal and a release a Smash game in a single year.

I doubt it'll get released in the same year. Maybe somewhere in 2020 if a 2019 reveal.

 

[MamaLuigi123456]

I'm honestly gonna be surprised if we get any Smash news in 2018; gonna feel too late for Smash 4 Deluxe (or whatever) and gonna feel too early for Smash 5.

 

[Arcadenik]

I don't really consider any character "what" characters, some are surprises but most make sense.

R.O.B. Game & Watch and Duck Hunt are legacy retro characters. They each represent an important piece of old school hardware.

I do wonder who next to fit this bill could be

Track Meet for Smash!

Track Meet uses the NES Power Pad for his moves.

 

[Deleted member]

Duck Hunt was chosen to be one.

Bowser Jr. isn't even close to being considered a surprise character.

I can agree with Duck Hunt actually.

I just thought BJ was a surprise character because of his move-set and the mechanics, then again he was expected in Brawl. I think BJ is more considered a joke character actually.

Track Meet for Smash!

Track Meet uses the NES Power Pad for his moves.

Woah dude.

 

[N3ON]

I'm honestly gonna be surprised if we get any Smash news in 2018; gonna feel too late for Smash 4 Deluxe (or whatever) and gonna feel too early for Smash 5.

People keep saying this, but in the last two months we literally got three new ports of Wii U games revealed, all of which released earlier than Smash 4.

 

[Arcadenik]

People keep saying this, but in the last two months we literally got three new ports of Wii U games revealed, all of which released earlier than Smash 4.

Captain Toad would have better odds of getting in Smash 5 if Captain Toad: Treasure Tracker was ported to the Switch.

 

[MamaLuigi123456]

People keep saying this, but in the last two months we literally got three new ports of Wii U games revealed, all of which released earlier than Smash 4.

I think it'd be a lot harder to put a new Smash game on the Switch when we also have Smash 4 on there as well, which is why I doubt it will happen. Granted, Mario Kart 8 Deluxe exists so I could be wrong.

Regardless of such I'd take Smash 5 over Smash 4 Deluxe any day of the week.

 

[Awesomeperson159]

What I think the roster (realistically) might look like: (FE generic is Corrin, Pokémon is from Gen 8 and Newcomer is Spring Man)

 

[Cosmic77]

What I think the roster (realistically) might look like: (FE generic is Corrin, Pokémon is from Gen 8 and Newcomer is Spring Man)

I'd say this is close to what we can expect. The cuts are fair, and most of the additions make sense. The only characters I'm skeptical of are Glass Joe, Issac, Tails, and to a lesser extent, K. Rool and Waluigi.

 

[N3ON]

I think it'd be a lot harder to put a new Smash game on the Switch when we also have Smash 4 on there as well, which is why I doubt it will happen. Granted, Mario Kart 8 Deluxe exists so I could be wrong.

Regardless of such I'd take Smash 5 over Smash 4 Deluxe any day of the week.

Well, depends on circumstance really. If there is a Smash 5 in development, set hypothetically to release in 2019 or something, or if work on a deluxe port only commenced like... late last year or something, I'd agree, it wouldn't make much sense to still get a port. Meanwhile, if work on the port happened concurrently with the DLC and they've been more or less sitting on it, or if Smash 5 isn't in active development (and therefore still some years away), it would make sense to release a port.

Regardless, simply because the game released in 2014 is no reason to think it's been "too long" given the other ports.

 

[SlickWylde]

^^74 characters? Interesting. At some point I think there can be too many characters.

 

[Dragoncharystary]

Well I think Smash 4 Deluxe's chances of happening just got bolstered a lot today. Firstly, I think Nintendo may not want to port TOO many games from the Wii U over to the Switch as people will start complaining about it at some point (I personally wouldn't mind if they kept this up for a while). Another thing is the quote from Reggie back in June saying more Wii U ports were likely coming can no longer be applied to Smash. I really do hope Smash 4 Deluxe is coming though because I've been telling myself it is and Wolf is going to be in it ever since the moment when Bayonetta showed up in that trailer 2 years ago.

Edit: Overall an ok direct in my opinion. For a mini direct there was a good amount of new things to look forward to in my opinion.

 

[NintenRob]

If I were to update this analysis, do you reckon it would be worth moving Donkey Kong from no game to new game
https://smashboards.com/threads/a-breakdown-of-nintendo-since-smash-wii-u-whats-new.452153/

It's only tropical freeze re-release, but it could be notable enough, especially since Smash Wii U was very minimal on Tropical Freeze content and this could further encourage a new game to use content from said game.

EDIT: also mods, is there a place it could be moved where I can edit it at least? Weren't there private boards or something. I think I remember one discussing Smash Rumours back in the day.

 

[IronTed]

This direct has changed my mind on the probability of a Smash port. Not because of DKCTF, but HW. Previously the pattern was Wii U games that broke a million that were exclusive (as for Pokken, console exclusive). TF follows this pattern as well.

But HW does not. It had a 3DS port. Yes, it was heavily criticized, but it still had a chance to sell on the large 3DS installbase. So while it was held back, it was hardly held back like TF.

Of course Smash is still the inverse, the 3DS version dropped first, and was clearly the favorite the moment Nintendo realized the Wii U was dead. But getting a Smash 4 DX certainly looks more likely than yesterday.

I used to be on team iterative sequel, but now I'm undecided.

 

[Super Nintendo Chalmers]

If I were to update this analysis, do you reckon it would be worth moving Donkey Kong from no game to new game
https://smashboards.com/threads/a-breakdown-of-nintendo-since-smash-wii-u-whats-new.452153/
It's only tropical freeze re-release, but it could be notable enough, especially since Smash Wii U was very minimal on Tropical Freeze content and this could further encourage a new game to use content from said game.

It is definitely notable, despite it not being a new game, its a more recent experience for the Kongs which helps Dixie,etc.. Best result for DKC fans aside from a new DKC game(which may still happen)/remastered SNES trilogy a la N Sane style.

So is a potential new DKC game at least a couple of years away? Hmmm

 

[Deleted member]

Obnoxious fans: "WE WANT ANOTHER DK CHARACTER!"

Sakurai: "Ok."




Obnoxious fans: -******** and screaming that Sakurai doesn't care about them because it's not K. Rool or Dixie-

 

[Blackwolf666]

After watching the Nintendo Direct... I'm seeing a Smash 4 port for the Switch as way more likely than I first thought. Too many old games making their way to the switch. I'd still rather have a new smash bros game. And for you critics it's not because "I'm a casual that treats it as a party game and puts it down after a few matches" I've clocked in over 600 hours on smash 4. I played it to death and I'll play it again after playing smash 5 like I still play melee, brawl and 64 (okay with 64 that has dropped to like once a year but I still pick it up).

I don't want to pay 60 dollars for a new enhanced version of a game I already have, I'd sooner just skip it like all the other enhanced versions of all the other games I already own. All announcing a smash 4 remix or whatever will do for me is create fear that I'll never get to play my favorite Nintendo series on my switch unless they also make an announcement teaser for smash 5 at the same time they announce smash 4 DX.

 

[Deleted member]

All announcing a smash 4 remix or whatever will do for me is create fear that I'll never get to play my favorite Nintendo series on my switch

....that scenario would be your own fault, then.

You literally can't lament that "I'll never be able to play Smash on my Switch" when a Smash for the Switch would be readily available and the only reason you "can't" play it is because you actively chose to avoid it because it's not the one you WANT.

 

[Strider_Bond00J]

Given the spike Tropical Freeze will get thanks to the bigger Nintendo Switch audience, I think the Donkey Kong series has a bit more of a chance to see some new content in a future Smash instalment. At the moment, the character that might end up being playable would be Dixie Kong at this point. Though whether or not we'll see the next Smash Bros game as an advanced port or a whole new game is a bit unclear at this point, if Tropical Freeze on the Switch does well enough, I think it might give Dixie a bit more of an edge if they were to pursue a new DK character next time.

But given that Smash Bros is more likely to be shown off at a major event like E3, it might be a bit early to make assumptions.

 

[Blackwolf666]

....that scenario would be your own fault, then.

You literally can't lament that "I'll never be able to play Smash on my Switch" when a Smash for the Switch would be readily available and the only reason you "can't" play it is because you actively chose to avoid it because it's not the one you WANT.

My fault, let me correct myself. I'll never play a NEW smash on my switch or period for the next 4 or 5 years. And I'll refuse to buy a deluxe edition out of fear that I'd be buying the same 4 year old game that I already own with a few added characters (possibly extra modes) for full price.

Now time to move forward to state the one thing that could possibly change my mind about a smash DX... adding about 25 new characters.

 

[Opossum]

My fault, let me correct myself. I'll never play a NEW smash on my switch or period for the next 4 or 5 years. And I'll refuse to buy a deluxe edition out of fear that I'd be buying the same 4 year old game that I already own with a few added characters (possibly extra modes) for full price.

Now time to move forward to state the one thing that could possibly change my mind about a smash DX... adding about 25 new characters.

Well at least you won't need to worry about that...even a brand new Smash wouldn't add 25 newcomers.

 

[IronTed]

It's genuinely shocking that DK only has two reps, considering how big of an IP it is. I'm aware the roster will never be "balanced" (whatever that means), but it feels like all big IP's deserve more than 2 reps.

Edit: Assuming the IP has more than 2 viable characters, of course.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

It's genuinely shocking that DK only has two reps, considering how big of an IP it is. I'm aware the roster will never be "balanced" (whatever that means), but it feels like all big IP's deserve more than 2 reps.

It kinda stopped being "big" when Microsoft bought Rare and recently became "big" again with the Returns games, so not really shocking, imo.

 

[Blackwolf666]

Well at least you won't need to worry about that...even a brand new Smash wouldn't add 25 newcomers.

My reasoning... if most smash games only add about a dozen or so characters to the playable character count It'd take twice that number to make me get the same smash game twice (unless my older copy is damaged, stolen etc.).

 

[IronTed]

It kinda stopped being "big" when Microsoft bought Rare and recently became "big" again with the Returns games, so not really shocking, imo.

I mean, that's accurate for Melee and Brawl, but the franchise is in a different place now. it became "big" quite before Smash 4 released. You would think Returns would be considered enough of a boost.

But Zelda didn't get new characters either, so being big isn't the only factor I guess.

 

[NintenRob]

Speaking of Zelda, Skull Kid, Midna, Ghirahim and more now have a small boost in relevance with the rererelease of Hyrule Warriors.

 

[Opossum]

Speaking of Zelda, Skull Kid, Midna, Ghirahim and more now have a small boost in relevance with the rererelease of Hyrule Warriors.

In the context of Smash, not really, honestly. Breath of the Wild is still going to be the main thing the next Smash pulls from, as opposed to a crossover spinoff.

 

[NintenRob]

In the context of Smash, not really, honestly. Breath of the Wild is still going to be the main thing the next Smash pulls from, as opposed to a crossover spinoff.

Obviously, which is why I said small.

 

[Deleted member]

It's genuinely shocking that DK only has two reps, considering how big of an IP it is. I'm aware the roster will never be "balanced" (whatever that means), but it feels like all big IP's deserve more than 2 reps.

Edit: Assuming the IP has more than 2 eviable characters, of course.

Just go the Mario Kart Wii route.

Perfect trio.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Just go the Mario Kart Wii route.

Perfect trio.

I never knew Waluigi was a Donkey Kong character

 

[Deleted member]

I never knew Waluigi was a Donkey Kong character

If only that would help him get in....
-laughs, then cries-

 

[IronTed]

Just go the Mario Kart Wii route.

Perfect trio.

Truly the holy trinity of Donkey Kong.

 

[Krysco]

Couple thoughts off the top of my head before my break ends:

I can easily see Link getting a BotW outfit in Smash for Switch since Sm4sh got an SS one and Link gets one in HW. Maybe Zelda too. The hat/dress aren't for any attacks so they could even just be made transparent with the BotW outfit on them.

With 8bitman calling HW for Switch a rererelease, my first thought went to how many re's would there be for Skyrim on Switch lol

Aaaand lastly I can see a lot IPs getting a second rep. Black Shadow for F-ZERO, Tails or Shadow for Sonic, Ken for Street Fighter, Isabelle for Animal Crossing, newest protagonist for Xenoblade. Punch out, Yoshi, Bayonetta and the retro IPs are blanks for me atm.

 

[Dragoncharystary]

Speaking of Zelda, Skull Kid, Midna, Ghirahim and more now have a small boost in relevance with the rererelease of Hyrule Warriors.

The only question that remains: WHY IS VAATI STILL NOT IN THIS DANG GAME!?!?!?!?

Just go the Mario Kart Wii route.

Perfect trio.

Weird thing is every character from Mario Kart Wii is in Mario Kart 8 except for Those 2 Kongs....and I guess Birdo.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Honestly, I'm not expecting much HW content as is. Maybe some Trophies and Songs at best. If we're lucky a few costumes and a stage would be nice. A specific HW character would be cool, but fairly unlikely, imo.

 

[Super Nintendo Chalmers]

It's genuinely shocking that DK only has two reps, considering how big of an IP it is. I'm aware the roster will never be "balanced" (whatever that means), but it feels like all big IP's deserve more than 2 reps.

Edit: Assuming the IP has more than 2 viable characters, of course.

Arguably the biggest obstacle was the Rare buyout, which hurt the franchise and potential for more Smash content. Prior to the buyout, DKC was seemingly in the top 5 Nintendo IPs overall in terms of sales, popularity and mainstream appeal in the late 90s.

Personally, it's not too shocking atm for me as a big DKC fan, as its been quite the bumpy ride for DKC as a whole, but many people acknowledge that it is something that can be looked at and improved on in Smash. I'm just happy and grateful that the series is relevant and still alive and kicking, there are other series in worse off states.

Now lets see if we can get more variety with DK content, less jungle stages and Jungle Hijinx theme remixes in Smash

Funky was soooooo left field in MKWii, ridiculously surprising, random and shocking.

 

[NintenRob]

For Hyrule Warriors, since more recent smash games generally like to port models for trophies, I'd love if Hyrule Warriors was the game a lot of Zelda trophies come from. It would give us nice variety among the series while also having high quality trophies.

Darunia
Ruto
Fi
Zant
Marin
Tetra
Not Lana
King Daphnes
The moon
Great Fairy
Ravio
Yuga
Especially Not Linkle
Toon Zelda
Maybe even Impa


Midna, Ghirahim Skull Kid and Tingle will likely get new models anyway if they return as assist trophies

 

[Freduardo]

Everyone talking like the only possible DK reps are K Rool and Dixie and Funky Mode.

Cranky has a cane!

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

My reasoning... if most smash games only add about a dozen or so characters to the playable character count It'd take twice that number to make me get the same smash game twice (unless my older copy is damaged, stolen etc.).

You're enititled to your opinion of course, and your stance is understandable but, think about it what is the one real reason you buy a new Smash? It's still basically the same game as the last just with added new characters and modes. So, really, you're buying the same exact game everytime anyways. Just with more modes and/or characters. Most people, MOST, don't buy the game for the mechanics.

And you can't really make the statement that the gameplay will be different because more likely than not the feel of the next new game will be VERY similar to 4 considering how, generally, well received it was in that department. So, what I'm asking is, what's the REAL difference between a new game and an updated port? The novelty of it being built from the ground up?