Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Apollo500]

What do you guys think about Phoenix Wright in smash?

Ace Attorney is easily in my top 3 franchises of all time, so Phoenix would be one of the best long-shot characters for me. Especially if he had alts of other characters like Apollo, Athena and Edgeworth!

The only Fire Emblem character worth trash talking is Takumi

Takumi is one of the only, like, five characters I actually like in Fates.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Just adding some fuel to the fire for a potential announcement at EVO. One of the Evo staff guys posted this earlier, could be Soul Calibur, Tekken or any other game related, but we can dream, right?

https://twitter.com/MarkMan23/status/1024209622368837634

IT'S HAPPENING

WE'RE FINALLY GETTING RIDLEY I TELL YOU

 

[Apollo500]

Hehehe, I'm the FARTHEST thing from a New Yorker while still being American (a Seattlite). I wouldn't know...

Ever since watching Frasier I've always wanted to visit Seattle. It looks like a lovely place.

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

IT'S HAPPENING

WE'RE FINALLY GETTING RIDLEY I TELL YOU

DID SOMEONE JUST ANNOUNCE RIDLEY

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Just adding some fuel to the fire for a potential announcement at EVO. One of the Evo staff guys posted this earlier, could be Soul Calibur, Tekken or any other game related, but we can dream, right?

https://twitter.com/MarkMan23/status/1024209622368837634

I'm not expecting anything...Smash at least.

Now Soul Calibur, on the other hand...can't wait to see those reveals!

Knowing Nintendo though, we'll get something dropped mid-August, and that'll have to sustain us until a Smash Direct around early November.

 

[BeardyBennett]

Welp, 1,2 Switch rep confirmed.

Also as much as I love the DLC I feel a little bummed Star Allies sold that well when Robobot didn't

Robobot is one of my absolute favorite Kirby games, alongside Superstar, Air Ride, and Epic Yarn.

 

[Deleted member]

IT'S HAPPENING

WE'RE FINALLY GETTING RIDLEY I TELL YOU

Oh wow I can't wait

But isn't Ridley too big???

 

[Levy22]

I'm not expecting anything...Smash at least.

Now Soul Calibur, on the other hand...can't wait to see those reveals!

Knowing Nintendo though, we'll get something dropped mid-August, and that'll have to sustain us until a Smash Direct around early November.

That's honestly what I'm expecting as well. But the exhibition on Friday should be fun to watch.

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

There now the leak is dead

It's still only fake smash ball

 

[Cutie Gwen]

tbh if it's a character from the other fighting games it'd be hype either way. Heihachi or Nightmare? Hell yeah. Also it's likely nothing

 

[Apollo500]

I'm not expecting anything...Smash at least.

Now Soul Calibur, on the other hand...can't wait to see those reveals!

Knowing Nintendo though, we'll get something dropped mid-August, and that'll have to sustain us until a Smash Direct around early November.

While I doubt it's Smash, Nintendo has been a lot more supportive of the tournament scene since Smash 4 came out so I won't write it off entirely. But I do think it's unlikely based on precedent.

 

[Deleted member]

Ever since watching Frasier I've always wanted to visit Seattle. It looks like a lovely place.

It is if you can see through rain and not get mugged

 

[MasterOfKnees]

Welp, 1,2 Switch rep confirmed.

Also as much as I love the DLC I feel a little bummed Star Allies sold that well when Robobot didn't

I feel like I'm the only one not getting all the praise for Robobot, it was okay, but nothing about it really stood out about it in comparison to Triple Deluxe or even Star Allies, it followed the same formular and the only spin it put on the series was new sorts of environments, yet the Kirby fanbase is hopelessly in love with it. I still feel like RtD is by far the best modern Kirby game, but even it has its fair share of flaws.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I feel like I'm the only one not getting all the praise for Robobot, it was okay, but nothing about it really stood out about it in comparison to Triple Deluxe or even Star Allies, it followed the same formular and the only spin it put on the series was new sorts of environments, yet the Kirby fanbase is hopelessly in love with it. I still feel like RtD is by far the best modern Kirby game, but even it has its fair share of flaws.

Well Robobot has more dynamic camera angles, a surprisingly tragic story, new environments the Kirby franchise doesn't really explore, a good blend of old and new bosses as fanservice, a better extra mode than Triple Deluxe could provide, the 3D Rumble minigame, a ****ing gorgeous soundtrack, surprising difficulty, a use for the sticker collectables albeit minor, encouraged exploration more than Star Allies does and a better super gimmick. Star Allies' only real boon imo is the DLC, and Triple Deluxe while fun, felt a bit lacking imo, especially with how boring Hypernova is

 

[NintenRob]

I feel like I'm the only one not getting all the praise for Robobot, it was okay, but nothing about it really stood out about it in comparison to Triple Deluxe or even Star Allies, it followed the same formular and the only spin it put on the series was new sorts of environments, yet the Kirby fanbase is hopelessly in love with it. I still feel like RtD is by far the best modern Kirby game, but even it has its fair share of flaws.

While I might rank Triple Deluxe just slightly above Planet Robobot, but Planet Robobot was absolutely amazing. We had a lot of brand new and unique settings in the game new to series and the Robobot armour really added a great new twist to levels with cool puzzles. I also felt it was harder than your average Kirby game. And among the best selection of copy abilities in the game.

Together with Triple Deluxe, I believe they make the best duo of games in the series.

 

[Apollo500]

Well Robobot has more dynamic camera angles, a surprisingly tragic story, new environments the Kirby franchise doesn't really explore, a good blend of old and new bosses as fanservice, a better extra mode than Triple Deluxe could provide, the 3D Rumble minigame, a ****ing gorgeous soundtrack, surprising difficulty, a use for the sticker collectables albeit minor, encouraged exploration more than Star Allies does and a better super gimmick. Star Allies' only real boon imo is the DLC, and Triple Deluxe while fun, felt a bit lacking imo, especially with how boring Hypernova is

Hey, now. Triple Deluxe had Dededetour. That's gotta count for something, right? But yeah, Robobot was amazing.

 

[Shadowwolflink]

Does anyone have the details of this Game & Watch leak? I missed it, but I'm interested.

 

[Deleted member]

why has there been such a random push for Gardevoir to be a echo of Rosalina lately??

 

[NintenRob]

Does anyone have the details of this Game & Watch leak? I missed it, but I'm interested.

You're not missing much, he said Game & Watch would be revealed tonight and he wasn't. Didn't list any newcomers and said K Rool would be an assist trophy

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

Speaking of Wario, anyone else find it a little odd that in the game celebrating the whole WarioWare series, Wario Man is absent?

Wario-Man probably wouldn't work well with the game's story, which is likely why we got this...

Spoiler

Also, it should be noted that unlike all the other characters, Wario Deluxe actually mocks you for failing his microgames, instead of feeling disappointed like in the past WarioWare installments.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

Wario-Man probably wouldn't work well with the game's story, which is likely why we got this...

Spoiler

Also, it should be noted that unlike all the other characters, Wario Deluxe actually mocks you for failing his microgames, instead of feeling disappointed like in the past WarioWare installments.

I also like that it implies that Wario's various alt forms over the years are all psychosomatic

Spoiler: spoiler

Because the "artifact" that supposedly powers him up is a chamberpot. A cleaned one but still.

 

[Deleted member]

Wario-Man probably wouldn't work well with the game's story, which is likely why we got this...

Spoiler

Also, it should be noted that unlike all the other characters, Wario Deluxe actually mocks you for failing his microgames, instead of feeling disappointed like in the past WarioWare installments.

This should be king Wario lol

 

[Cosmic77]

Just adding some fuel to the fire for a potential announcement at EVO. One of the Evo staff guys posted this earlier, could be Soul Calibur, Tekken or any other game related, but we can dream, right?

https://twitter.com/MarkMan23/status/1024209622368837634

Assuming anything Smash-related gets revealed, I guess this is where we could see the reveal of Simon or Isabelle if Vergeben is right, or Springman if the EVO rumor is real.

I feel like I'm the only one not getting all the praise for Robobot, it was okay, but nothing about it really stood out about it in comparison to Triple Deluxe or even Star Allies, it followed the same formular and the only spin it put on the series was new sorts of environments, yet the Kirby fanbase is hopelessly in love with it. I still feel like RtD is by far the best modern Kirby game, but even it has its fair share of flaws.

Sorry to add on to the responses you've already gotten, but I can kinda understand where you're coming from. It wasn't exactly a huge deviation from the previous games, and most of the elements were reused.

However, like you pointed out, the new environments are what make this game stand out to me. I'm tired of the typical grass, ocean, and volcano stages we always get, so anything new is very appreciated. Getting areas based off of busy intersections, train cars, a billiards table, and an ice cream vendor machine was extremely unique for Kirby, and I felt like it really helped Robobot stand out.

I know you feel differently, but for me, it's: RtD < TD < SA < PR

why has there been such a random push for Gardevoir to be a echo of Rosalina lately??

Because people don't understand that there's more to an Echo than just looking like an existing character.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Hey, now. Triple Deluxe had Dededetour. That's gotta count for something, right? But yeah, Robobot was amazing.

Well Dedetour is just playing through the levels again as Dedede. Meta Knightmare modes and Guest Star mode had another gimmick, the stat boosts, power points and a more different feeling, only difference between Dedede and Hammer Kirby is the cutting hammer beam, whereas Meta Knight flies differently and has moves Sword Kirby doesn't have like the up and down thrust and again, the powers

 

[Apollo500]

Well Dedetour is just playing through the levels again as Dedede. Meta Knightmare modes and Guest Star mode had another gimmick, the stat boosts, power points and a more different feeling, only difference between Dedede and Hammer Kirby is the cutting hammer beam, whereas Meta Knight flies differently and has moves Sword Kirby doesn't have like the up and down thrust and again, the powers

True enough. I'm just a big fan of Dedede so that was enough for me, haha.

 

[Deleted member]

True enough. I'm just a big fan of Dedede so that was enough for me, haha.

What's not to love about a furry fat penguin with a huge hammer

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

I personally found Triple Deluxe okay at best, perhaps even if underwhelming after coming from RTD because not much felt new compared to that game.

Planet Robobot though, I truly call giving very fresh, imaginative take on Kirby's traditional formula, which elevated me to my most favorite Kirby of the bunch (though next to RTD, Triple Deluxe is kind of behind both). Makes me thus still bummed we didn't get Robobot Armor as Kirby's Final Smash for Ultimate, but what can you do.

Star Allies so far feels indeed kind of lacking atm, though the Dream Friends makes it have some novelty.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

Just adding some fuel to the fire for a potential announcement at EVO. One of the Evo staff guys posted this earlier, could be Soul Calibur, Tekken or any other game related, but we can dream, right?

https://twitter.com/MarkMan23/status/1024209622368837634

Record number but that doesn't mean we'll get anything smash necessarily. There are oodles of fighting games in development right now.

Street Fighter V Season 3
Soul Calibur VI
DOA 6
And there's hints that somethng new Mortal Kombat is happening.

Fingers crossed but I'm sceptical.

 

[NintenRob]

Speaking of Wario Ware. I really want to hear a remix of this song from Wario Ware

Jimmy is the music guy in Wario Ware so it makes sense to have a theme associated with in Smash and this is just dying for a proper remix to flesh the song out properly. It's perfect!!

 

[Deleted member]

Record number but that doesn't mean we'll get anything smash necessarily. There are oodles of righting games in development right now.

Street Fighter V Season 3
Soul Calibur VI
DOA 6
And there's hints that somethng new Mortal Kombat is happening.

Fingers crossed but I'm sceptical.

You forgot about smash ultimate

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

Record number but that doesn't mean we'll get anything smash necessarily. There are oodles of righting games in development right now.

Street Fighter V Season 3
Soul Calibur VI
DOA 6
And there's hints that somethng new Mortal Kombat is happening.

Fingers crossed but I'm sceptical.

Feels like rolling a wanted ability in Splatoon...

 

[Apollo500]

What's not to love about a furry fat penguin with a huge hammer

Feels like rolling a wanted ability in Splatoon...

"Swim Speed Up, Swim Speed Up, Swim Speed Up... nooo! Not Cold-Blooded again!"

 

[MasterOfKnees]

Well Robobot has more dynamic camera angles, a surprisingly tragic story, new environments the Kirby franchise doesn't really explore, a good blend of old and new bosses as fanservice, a better extra mode than Triple Deluxe could provide, the 3D Rumble minigame, a ****ing gorgeous soundtrack, surprising difficulty, a use for the sticker collectables albeit minor, encouraged exploration more than Star Allies does and a better super gimmick. Star Allies' only real boon imo is the DLC, and Triple Deluxe while fun, felt a bit lacking imo, especially with how boring Hypernova is

While I might rank Triple Deluxe just slightly above Planet Robobot, but Planet Robobot was absolutely amazing. We had a lot of brand new and unique settings in the game new to series and the Robobot armour really added a great new twist to levels with cool puzzles. I also felt it was harder than your average Kirby game. And among the best selection of copy abilities in the game.

Together with Triple Deluxe, I believe they make the best duo of games in the series.

The difficulty point surprises me a bit, of course the True Arena is difficult as it always is, but the story mode, regular Arena and Metaknightmare were all pretty basic imo, not Star Allies easy mind you, but I completed the story mode in 5 hours on my first playthrough, so I really didn't feel like I got much bang for my buck.

Maybe I'm just getting jaded with the series, because the opinion on Robobot is overwhelmingly positive, so I don't doubt that it did something right, I just don't really see it, and neither do I see anything in Triple Deluxe or Star Allies, they're all just okay but play their cards very safe. I feel like alongside Pokémon it's the series that most needs a serious shakeup to its formular, it needs to surprise us.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

You forgot about smash ultimate

Everyone knows that's a party game.

(runs for hills when joke is invariably taken the wrong way)

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

I also like that it implies that Wario's various alt forms over the years are all psychosomatic

Spoiler: spoiler

Because the "artifact" that supposedly powers him up is a chamberpot. A cleaned one but still.

Spoiler

It could also explain some of the bathroom humor that's in the game.

 

[TMNTSSB4]

Record number but that doesn't mean we'll get anything smash necessarily. There are oodles of fighting games in development right now.

Street Fighter V Season 3
Soul Calibur VI
DOA 6
And there's hints that somethng new Mortal Kombat is happening.

Fingers crossed but I'm sceptical.

Mortal Kombat 9 and X ported to the Switch and MK11 in general

...also Scorpion for Smash

 

[Deleted member]

Record number but that doesn't mean we'll get anything smash necessarily. There are oodles of fighting games in development right now.

Street Fighter V Season 3
Soul Calibur VI
DOA 6
And there's hints that somethng new Mortal Kombat is happening.

Fingers crossed but I'm sceptical.

It'd be kind of funny if they announced a new Mortal Kombat on Sunday considering Injustice finals are on Day 2.

 

[NintenRob]

The difficulty point surprises me a bit, of course the True Arena is difficult as it always is, but the story mode, regular Arena and Metaknightmare were all pretty basic imo, not Star Allies easy mind you, but I completed the story mode in 5 hours on my first playthrough, so I really didn't feel like I got much bang for my buck.

Maybe I'm just getting jaded with the series, because the opinion on Robobot is overwhelmingly positive, so I don't doubt that it did something right, I just don't really see it, and neither do I see anything in Triple Deluxe or Star Allies, they're all just okay but play their cards very safe. I feel like alongside Pokémon it's the series that most needs a serious shakeup to its formular, it needs to surprise us.

That feeling you get when you think someone quoted you to agree with your idea of a new song but instead talked something entirely different.


Sad times.

Maybe I'll go dance with some cats

 

[DarkSt0rm009]

Mortal Kombat 9 and X ported to the Switch and MK11 in general

...also Scorpion for Smash

Honestly, I wouldn't mind seeing Scorpion get the Smash treatment
Mainly because I would main the hell out of him

 

[TMNTSSB4]

Honestly, I wouldn't mind seeing Scorpion get the Smash treatment
Mainly because I would main the hell out of him

It’d be beautiful to see him holding the corpse of a Nintendo character (besides Mario of course)