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Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

Almost one month has passed since release. In retrospect....

  • This is by far the best Smash ever. Like, I don't even know how they will top this.

  • Pretty freakin' good; I have a few qualms over things like internet play, balancing issues, etc.

  • It's ok, but [insert Smash game here] is better.

  • I'd rather play Parcheesi.


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Which of these pokemon would you want the most?
Castform
Poliwhirl
Dusknoir
Registeel
Vileplume
Kadabra
or Flygon
1. Why would you only pick through Gens 1-4?
2. What are these picks?
3. None of these would make any sense as fighters other than maybe Dusknoir and Flygon.
4. Flygon.
 

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How does Bowser Jr. dance in his mech if he uses it for 99% of his movepool?
And what about R.O.B.? The guy can't even-

yeah ok nevermind
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As far as Mimikyu is concerned, I'd honestly be pleased if it got in with its personality from the games.


Just keep the anime Team Rocket version far, FAR away. It ruined the character.
I don't understand this. It's one Mimikyu. What's wrong with one Mimikyu having a different personality?
 

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1. Why would you only pick through Gens 1-4?
2. What are these picks?
3. None of these would make any sense as fighters other than maybe Dusknoir and Flygon.
4. Flygon.
How dare you speak ill of Castform.

Plus it'd come with the Weather Institute as its Home Stage, giving Hoenn more content. :p
 

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daisy, lucina and dark pit being placed next to the characters they're based on instead of truly being in the order that they were introduced to the series annoys the absolute crap out of me
 

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I don't understand this. It's one Mimikyu. What's wrong with one Mimikyu having a different personality?
Because the anime dictates what happens in Smash as far as a Pokémon, and as far as the anime is concerned, that's THE Mimikyu, and it's the exact opposite of the Mimikyu I actually liked from the games.

They took a cute concept and butchered it with a childish amount of edge.
 

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Because the anime dictates what happens in Smash as far as a Pokémon, and as far as the anime is concerned, that's THE Mimikyu, and it's the exact opposite of the Mimikyu I actually liked from the games.

They took a cute concept and butchered it with a childish amount of edge.
But the other Mimikyu act differently in the anime.
 

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As far as Mimikyu is concerned, I'd honestly be pleased if it got in with its personality from the games.


Just keep the anime Team Rocket version far, FAR away. It ruined the character.
When the **** did Mimikyu get personality

But the other Mimikyu act differently in the anime.
Maybe that's why he said the Team Rocket Mimkyu
 
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With the addition of Hilda and Impa as echo fighters, I'm prepared for the possibility that there may be only 5 more newcomers, leaving us at 70 fighters (not counting Echo Fighters).
Saw this as the first post of the page and got very confused, and started checking the Smash Bros site in all languages.
 
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Mimikyu would have been picked for Smash before Jessie's Mimikyu was an established thing.

That being said, since there's no Meowth to translate (or refuse to translate) what it says and the whole "must murder Pikachu" thing couldn't really be incorporated into Smash anyway, how would anyone even know if a Mimikyu is being "edgy" in Smash even if it sounds like Jessie's?
 

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How dare you speak ill of Castform.

Plus it'd come with the Weather Institute as its Home Stage, giving Hoenn more content. :p
I like Castform too and Gen 3 is great but it would look so odd on the roster lmao.
I don't understand this. It's one Mimikyu. What's wrong with one Mimikyu having a different personality?
People wanted to see the sweet, shy version of Mimikyu they read about in its original explanation after its reveal. Instead, we got this vicious, hateful thing that just....isn't what Mimikyu fans expected.

I don't hate it myself, but I definitely don't like it. It is a fair alternate take on the mon's backstory and I can appreciate that, but I really would prefer they used its more "notice me senpai ;w;" personality. I can't see Mimikyu getting into Smash without a more menacing personality so I'm totally OK with it if thats what we get. Hopefully, some of its taunts will be a bit more "cute."

So, tldr: I don't hate it so much as I expected, "I wanna be looooved" and got "Bro, lets kill Pikachu."
 
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But the other Mimikyu act differently in the anime.
Yeah, but they're not the headliners, so to speak. When Pikachu appears in anything, Detective Pikachu aside, it tends to have Ash's Pikachu as a base for how it acts. When people think of Meowth, they think of Team Rocket's Meowth, but at least the fact that Meowth tend to be greedy plays into it being a villain. But now Mimikyu is tied to a version of itself that isn't even anything like its game counterpart, which is depicted as a more wholesome "I wish someone would notice me" type, as opposed to the "I want to kill you and wear your skin as my own" edgy vibe the anime gives it.

It took something comparatively-wholesome (the whole "kill whoever looked under the cloak" thing was played more as a natural side effect than something it controlled, or at least was left ambiguous) and bastardized it.
 

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Anime Mimikyu feels like what an American Marketing firm would do to a game's translation in the 90's but it's all in Japan which makes it very strange.
 
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Castform, without hesitation. Legitimately one of my favorite Pokémon.
Interested to know why. :p
No. I'm not missing out. I've seen the best of them, like the Wolf mod for Wii U. But, you shouldn't legitimize mods. They shouldn't be placed on an equal pedestal as the official creation. I can't in good conscious say that the Wolf mod for Wii U remotely satisfies me in place of him actually being in the game. It would be an insult to Nintendo and its characters if I acted like it did.I

I think good mods should be admired, but they should never be treated as if they are official games (like Project M).

I kind of find it insulting that Project

Here's a perfect demonstration of how Mimikyu would work in Smash Ultimate and possibly be one of the most unique fighters.
Here, you can see Mimikyu jumping, dashing, trapping Pikachu inside his blanket (good idea for a grab animation as well as a Final Smash), and the unique ability to extend his arms far beyond his hitbox.

But, if Sakurai can't somehow make that work (despite the endless potential) I wouldn't be surprised if Zeraora was his second pick.
I did not know Acerola had a shiny Mimikyu in the anime, that is cool!
Pokemon is one of Nintendo's biggest franchises and due to the nature of the series it is arguable the easiest game to pick a newcomer from as new, popular Pokemon come out every 2-3 years.
Easily second only to Mario. It makes sense for it to have at least one newcomer. :p
 

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I want to hear some of these come back, like :ultyounglink: & :ultpichu:. I would, if I could, revert :ultzelda:, :ultfalcon:, :ultmewtwo: & :ultganondorf: back to those Melee clips, and :ultfox: too. :ultlink: would be cool, but unlikely.
 

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Mimikyu would have been picked for Smash before Jessie's Mimikyu was an established thing.

That being said, since there's no Meowth to translate (or refuse to translate) what it says and the whole "must murder Pikachu" thing couldn't really be incorporated into Smash anyway, how would anyone even know if a Mimikyu is being "edgy" in Smash even if it sounds like Jessie's?
I mean I see where you're coming from, but at the same time its movements in general can convey its personality fairly easily. If it shambles around like a zombie or makes "whatever-that-noise-it-makes-in-the-show-that-sounds-like-a-snapping-femur" noises, it would just feel off to me. :|
 

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Personally, I feel that directional air dodging is gona be a lot of reasons why i’ll die on for glory, we’ve seen competitive players directional air dodging off stage and it looks like it just pushes you way too much to the side that you dodge too, hopefully they make it less likely to air dodge off stage
 
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I mean I see where you're coming from, but at the same time its movements in general can convey its personality fairly easily. If it shambles around like a zombie or makes "whatever-that-noise-it-makes-in-the-show-that-sounds-like-a-snapping-femur" noises, it would just feel off to me. :|
But how is a Mimikyu "supposed" to sound like that isn't off? We can't really go by it's in-game cry because that never really applies to any existing Pokémon barring Pikachu (retroactively).

Same with "shambling like a zombie"....how do we not know that's just what Mimikyu do while dragging their costume (especially when the head is limp)?
 

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Personally, I feel that directional air dodging is gona be a lot of reasons why i’ll die on for glory, we’ve seen competitive players directional air dodging off stage and it looks like it just pushes you way too much to the side that you dodge too, hopefully they make it less likely to air dodge off stage
They can't make it less likely. Directional airdodges aren't based on RNG. Just don't hold a direction when you airdodge offstage and everything will be peachy.
 
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But how is a Mimikyu "supposed" to sound like that isn't off? We can't really go by it's in-game cry because that never really applies to any existing Pokémon barring Pikachu (retroactively).

Same with "shambling like a zombie"....how do we not know that's just what Mimikyu do while dragging their costume (especially when the head is limp)?
I don't know, really. I just never got any sort of weird vibe from it from its in-game animations, is all, but the anime just makes it feel off.

I know at the end of the day it's all subjective, but something so much as an off-putting idle animation could ruin it for me lol.
 

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He's just really feeling it. Who can blame him?
Is this one of those cursed images I've heard the kids talking about?
 
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I don't know, really. I just never got any sort of weird vibe from it from its in-game animations, is all, but the anime just makes it feel off.

I know at the end of the day it's all subjective, but something so much as an off-putting idle animation could ruin it for me lol.
Eh, I personally got a very creepy vibe from the Totem Mimikyu, but different perspectives, I suppose. :p
 

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I love anime Mimikyu. Like, way more than "regular" Mimikyu. We don't really get many characters in the Pokemon Anime that are as hostile and savage as Mimikyu.
 

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I don't understand this. It's one Mimikyu. What's wrong with one Mimikyu having a different personality?
The thing is, if Mimikyu were to appear in some form in Smash Ultimate, whether it's a Poke Ball Pokemon, a trophy cameo, or even an enemy in Smash Run, it probably won't be the one who hates Pikachu.
 

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Phew, the site's moving so slow today, you swear we got a new character.
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He's called the Phoenix Wright of the Space Pirates! xD
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I'm of the opinion that we give every "leak" the benefit of the doubt and entertain the notion that it could be the one.
  • No one believed ChaosZero, and his posts on GameFAQs were taken down by moderators multiple times. In DMs they called him a troll.
  • The other true Brawl leaker was also treated as a troll, and had their post edited by the moderators of this site to make them look that way.
  • People scoffed at Gematsu before Wii Fit Trainer was revealed, and still didn't believe it after that.
  • Ninka/Vaanrose was widely doubted despite the evidence it gave.
  • The ESRB leak was infamously detested, with people doing mental gymnastics to disprove it, hence the "Shulk is a photoshopped Little Mac" meme.
  • A leak of Smash Bros. Ultimate that predicted all veterans, Ridley, and Daisy showed up a day or two before E3 and everyone laughed at it.
  • People are still (somewhat rightfully) skeptic of Vergeben despite his claims being correct so far.

Every real leak has been laughed at, so each leak that we laugh at could be the one.
There's over 100 "leaks" so far with Ultimate, so which one is right?
 

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YOUR REACTION

If Nintendo announces that Smash Ultimate would be getting an demo event like what they did with Splatoon, ARMS, & Mario Tennis Aces.
 
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There's over 100 "leaks" so far with Ultimate, so which one is right?
The answer...is none
YOUR REACTION

If Nintendo announces that Smash Ultimate would be getting an demo event like what they did with Splatoon, ARMS, & Mario Tennis Aces.
Spoilers and leaks everywhere unless Daddy Sakurai is prepared for that and hides them away from those ****sticks
 
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