Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[WallyPalmer]

Opposite thing with the Robins, as the male version is way more loved than the female one (even with her fan service, the male has yet to be topped).

My fanfictions say otherwise

 

[MoonlitIllusion]

Opposite thing with the Robins, as the male version is way more loved than the female one (even with her fan service, the male has yet to be topped).

Isn't that chrom's job?

 

[Mr. Game + Watch]

Which of these pokemon would you want the most?
Castform
Poliwhirl
Dusknoir
Registeel
Vileplume
Kadabra
or Flygon

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

Which of these pokemon would you want the most?
Castform
Poliwhirl
Dusknoir
Registeel
Vileplume
Kadabra
or Flygon

I'd have to say Flygon. At worst, Flygon could make for a great Charizard Echo so we can get Charizard's solo moveset (for people who really want Rock Smash I guess). At best, Flygon could have a unique moveset with it's cool movepool.

Of course, Kadabra would be the best, but only if one of it's taunts was dabbing.

 

[Zinith]

Which of these pokemon would you want the most?
Castform
Poliwhirl
Dusknoir
Registeel
Vileplume
Kadabra
or Flygon

FLYGON!!! The one reptile in that list

 

[TheLastJinjo]

The other day people were talking about Wolf and Young Link's less than perfect models in game. I read recently that characters have received updated artwork on the website (Palutena, Falco, and Shulk)

Could someone do a side by side comparison between the old artwork and the new artwork, demonstrating the changes. I know Palutena received her blue halo, but I don't notice any other changes.

 

[praline]

FLYGON!!! The one reptile in that list

Flygon is a bug.

 

[Zinith]

Flygon is a bug.

And a dragon

 

[RandomAce]

I know we're going through a drought of information, but try to stay patient. Honestly, this is nothing compared to the six month drought between E3 2013 and Rosalina's reveal.

There's less than five months until Ultimate releases, so they have to give us more info sooner or later. Just hang in there for a little while longer.

I honestly wonder how you guys even survived that drought.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

The other day people were talking about Wolf and Young Link's less than perfect models in game. I read recently that characters have received updated artwork on the website (Palutena, Falco, and Shulk)

Could someone do a side by side comparison between the old artwork and the new artwork, demonstrating the changes. I know Palutena received her blue halo, but I don't notice any other changes.

Big images inbound:

Changes: Added halo, moved skirt to cover more leg.

Changes: more feather details, more saturated color, reshaped forehead

Changes: shading on face

EDIT: Made side-by-sides to see easier.

 

[RandomAce]

I'm of the opinion that we give every "leak" the benefit of the doubt and entertain the notion that it could be the one.

• No one believed ChaosZero, and his posts on GameFAQs were taken down by moderators multiple times. In DMs they called him a troll.
• The other true Brawl leaker was also treated as a troll, and had their post edited by the moderators of this site to make them look that way.
• People scoffed at Gematsu before Wii Fit Trainer was revealed, and still didn't believe it after that.
• Ninka/Vaanrose was widely doubted despite the evidence it gave.
• The ESRB leak was infamously detested, with people doing mental gymnastics to disprove it, hence the "Shulk is a photoshopped Little Mac" meme.
• A leak of Smash Bros. Ultimate that predicted all veterans, Ridley, and Daisy showed up a day or two before E3 and everyone laughed at it.
• People are still (somewhat rightfully) skeptic of Vergeben despite his claims being correct so far.

Every real leak has been laughed at, so each leak that we laugh at could be the one.

I feel that this is more of a “not want to happen” type of situation.

The removal of IC’s, Mewtwo, Lucas, Roy, Snake, and Wolf did not sit well with people not to mention Dark Pit.

 

[Zinith]

I know we're going through a drought of information, but try to stay patient. Honestly, this is nothing compared to the six month drought between E3 2013 and Rosalina's reveal.

There's less than five months until Ultimate releases, so they have to give us more info sooner or later. Just hang in there for a little while longer.

We still didn't have all veterans revealed. In between E3 and Rosalina's trailer, andwere announced.

 

[vaanrose]

The other day people were talking about Wolf and Young Link's less than perfect models in game. I read recently that characters have received updated artwork on the website (Palutena, Falco, and Shulk)

Could someone do a side by side comparison between the old artwork and the new artwork, demonstrating the changes. I know Palutena received her blue halo, but I don't notice any other changes.

The renders are all heavily photoshopped and not really indicative of the in-game models. That's why they all look a thousand times better than they do in game. At least half the cast have models that aren't as polished as they were last game, there's not a doubt in my mind the final release will be better, it's just a question of how much better, since, honestly, Smash has always struggled with good looking character models.

 

[justPUNT3R]

We have mods and hacks to entertain our smash content wanting selves, also.

 

[Chandeelure]

I honestly wonder how you guys even survived that drought.

Pic of the Day.
Those gave us new information, unlike the Smash Blog.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

The renders are all heavily photoshopped and not really indicative of the in-game models. That's why they all look a thousand times better than they do in game. At least half the cast have models that aren't as polished as they were last game, there's not a doubt in my mind the final release will be better, it's just a question of how much better, since, honestly, Smash has always struggled with good looking character models.

Also a true statement. Easiest one to see there are the furry characters (notably DK) and anyone with small details (Zelda). DK in render looks like a fuzzball, but in game, he looks just brown. Zelda also has those gold bangles on her necklace and skirt that each move independently on her render, but in game act as one solid block.

 

[RandomAce]

How does Bowser Jr. dance in his mech if he uses it for 99% of his movepool?
And what about R.O.B.? The guy can't even-

yeah ok nevermind

You know, I honestly thought ROB had wheels or something on the bottom of his body. It would’ve made it easier to have him move around.

Anyways, I’m happy ROB is still here.

 

[TMNTSSB4]

My fanfictions say otherwise

Isn't that chrom's job?

You both win comment if the month

Pic of the Day.
Those gave us new information, unlike the Smash Blog.

well tbf...a vast majority of the game was dumped all over us in one day

 

[TheLastJinjo]

The renders are all heavily photoshopped and not really indicative of the in-game models. That's why they all look a thousand times better than they do in game. At least half the cast have models that aren't as polished as they were last game, there's not a doubt in my mind the final release will be better, it's just a question of how much better, since, honestly, Smash has always struggled with good looking character models.

With a game as large as Super Smash Bros, limitations may have something to do with it.

 

[Deleted member]

Pic of the Day.
Those gave us new information, unlike the Smash Blog.

Expect a Bandanna Dee trailer and then a day after that Luigi's giant nose making a return.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

We have mods and hacks to entertain our smash content wanting selves, also.

Eww. I'm sorry, but amateur attempts at imitating Sakuria's standards doesn't do it for me. So glad we have every veteran this time so we don't have to rely on ugly mods to satisfy our imagination.

 

[RandomAce]

With a game as large as Super Smash Bros, limitations may have something to do with it.

I still hope the characters look at least similarly good as the character potraits.

I just hope that there is some improvements going on during the last 5 months of dev time.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Pic of the Day.
Those gave us new information, unlike the Smash Blog.

The Smash blog has profiles for 68 characters from day 1 with special mini movies for each of them and a section for music as well as stages and items.

I'll take that over a pic a day.

 

[vaanrose]

With a game as large as Super Smash Bros, limitations may have something to do with it.

Limitations affect polycount, skeleton count, texture resolution, material complexity, cloth and hair physics, but they don't really affect art direction. For some reason the Smash team struggles with faces, particularly the more anime ones.

 

[Mr. Game + Watch]

Which of these pokemon would you want the most?
Castform
Poliwhirl
Dusknoir
Registeel
Vileplume
Kadabra
or Flygon

Mine would be Castform or Poliwhirl

 

[Reality_Ciak]

I decided to do the alphabet of characters, and limit the characters to being at least partially owned by Nintendo, and be from franchises that do not have playable representation in Smash.

It was painful. But speculation is fun.

Most of the characters would be unique, but few to none of them will actually be playable (most likely).

Here's my list:

Spoiler

(Ashley) Alexandra Roivas (Eternal Darkness)
Barbara the Bat (Daigasso! Band Brothers)
Chibi-Robo
Dillon ('s Rolling Western)
Elena & Aeron (Pandora's Tower)
F-Type (Stunt Race FX)
Geolyte (Meteos)
Henry Fleming (Codename Steam)
Isaac (Golden Sun)
Jill Dozer (Drill Dozer)
Kensuke Kimachi (1080 Degrees)
Lola Pop (ARMS)
Musashi (Sushi Striker)
Nester ('s Funky Bowling)
Offbeat Monkeys (Rhythm Heaven)
Prince Sable (For the Frog the Bell Tolls)
Qbby (Boxboy)
Ray MK III (Custom Robo)
Saki Amamiya (Sin and Punishment)
Tethu/Tethi (Ever Oasis)
Urban Champion
Vivosaur (T-Rex, Fossil Fighter)
Wonder Red (Wonderful 101)
X (is what I'm naming an Excite Rep)
Yuri Kozukata (Fatal Frame)
Zael (The Last Story)

 

[Opossum]

Which of these pokemon would you want the most?
Castform
Poliwhirl
Dusknoir
Registeel
Vileplume
Kadabra
or Flygon

Castform, without hesitation. Legitimately one of my favorite Pokémon.

 

[Idon]

Limitations affect polycount, skeleton count, texture resolution, material complexity, cloth and hair physics, but they don't really affect art direction. For some reason the Smash team struggles with faces, particularly the more anime ones.

Seriously, what is up with Shulk's face in that Smash trailer?

 

[Opossum]

Seriously, what is up with Shulk's face in that Smash trailer?
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He's got a half-Dreamworks face going on.

 

[MBRedboy31]

Eww. I'm sorry, but amateur attempts at imitating Sakuria's standards doesn't do it for me. So glad we have every veteran this time so we don't have to rely on ugly mods to satisfy our imagination.

There are some really, really high quality mods and fangames out there (and there are a lot of low quality ones, but those don't take away from the high quality ones.) The fact that they're made by fans rather than by people being paid to make them doesn't in any way diminish how much effort and care has been put into them... you're really missing out.

 

[Zinith]

Seriously, what is up with Shulk's face in that Smash trailer?
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Yeah, cause OG Shulk's face was a thing of beauty.

Spoiler

 

[Deleted member]

He's got a half-Dreamworks face going on.

 

[monadoboy]

How does Bowser Jr. dance in his mech if he uses it for 99% of his movepool?
And what about R.O.B.? The guy can't even-

yeah ok nevermind

Ehh, R.O.B. looks much more "fluid" than Mimikyu thanks to its bendable spine and the chest-thing that goes up, down and spins. Helps that they had a lot of creative freedom with it, too. Mimikyu is kinda static, being a small ghost in a blanket with a fluffy ball attached to it's "head." The fact that the blanket can't reveal what's underneath is the biggest problem, imo, followed by the fact that the head is just a decoy. A floating blanket might have a lot of ways to move, but one that's constantly stuck to something inside? Not so much. The only floating Mimikyu I've seen is that small dead (or something like that?) one with Acerola in the anime. I haven't seen Jessie's one float like that, but I haven't seen much of the anime so correct me if I'm wrong.
Jr. doesn't have that problem because he can freely move inside the mech and go out.
I'd love for Mimikyu to be in the game, but I'm having a hard time seeing that work. Thankfully Sakurai is a better game developer than I'll probably ever be so

 

[Opossum]

As far as Mimikyu is concerned, I'd honestly be pleased if it got in with its personality from the games.


Just keep the anime Team Rocket version far, FAR away. It ruined the character.

 

[drag0nscythe]

I doubt we are getting a new pokemon character. 6 newcomers at most. and maybe 4 or 5 echos.
in fact, I am only expecting 7 characters left. one for each month leading up and then a bunch at the end,

 

[TheLastJinjo]

There are some really, really high quality mods and fangames out there (and there are a lot of low quality ones, but those don't take away from the high quality ones.) The fact that they're made by fans rather than by people being paid to make them doesn't in any way diminish how much effort and care has been put into them... you're really missing out.

No. I'm not missing out. I've seen the best of them, like the Wolf mod for Wii U. But, you shouldn't legitimize mods. They shouldn't be placed on an equal pedestal as the official creation. I can't in good conscious say that the Wolf mod for Wii U remotely satisfies me in place of him actually being in the game. It would be an insult to Nintendo and its characters if I acted like it did.

I think good mods should be admired, but they should never be treated as if they are official games (like Project M).

I kind of find it insulting that Project

Ehh, R.O.B. looks much more "fluid" than Mimikyu thanks to its bendable spine and the chest-thing that goes up, down and spins. Helps that they had a lot of creative freedom with it, too. Mimikyu is kinda static, being a small ghost in a blanket with a fluffy ball attached to it's "head." The fact that the blanket can't reveal what's underneath is the biggest problem, imo, followed by the fact that the head is just a decoy. A floating blanket might have a lot of ways to move, but one that's constantly stuck to something inside? Not so much. The only floating Mimikyu I've seen is that small dead (or something like that?) one with Acerola in the anime. I haven't seen Jessie's one float like that, but I haven't seen much of the anime so correct me if I'm wrong.
Jr. doesn't have that problem because he can freely move inside the mech and go out.
I'd love for Mimikyu to be in the game, but I'm having a hard time seeing that work. Thankfully Sakurai is a better game developer than I'll probably ever be so

Here's a perfect demonstration of how Mimikyu would work in Smash Ultimate and possibly be one of the most unique fighters.

Here, you can see Mimikyu jumping, dashing, trapping Pikachu inside his blanket (good idea for a grab animation as well as a Final Smash), and the unique ability to extend his arms far beyond his hitbox.

But, if Sakurai can't somehow make that work (despite the endless potential) I wouldn't be surprised if Zeraora was his second pick.

 

[KMDP]

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Got bored so I did a new game based on the previous word association one:

A-Z of newcomers. We're in a parallel universe where 26 newcomer is feasible, but you can only have one of each letter. Who you pick?

A: Andy
B: Bandana Dee
C: Captain Toad
D: Dixie Kong
E: Elma
F: Fossil Fighter
G: Gooey
H: Henry Flemming(you're welcome Oppossum)
I: Impa
J: Jashin(and Doshin)
K: Kamek
L: Lyn
M: Meowth
N: Nikki(was a tough choice)
O: Octoling
P: Porky(although Paper Mario was close)
Q: Qbby
R: Ribbon Girl
S: Slippy Toad(Samurai Goroh was close)
T: Toad
U: Urobosa(not many U's)
V: Vaati
W: Waluigi
X: Xander(again not many X's)
Y: Yuga
Z: Zoroark (almost went for Zant but way too many Zelda newcomers)

What are yours?

A – Agumon [Digimon] | Ashley [Wario]
B – Black Knight [Fire Emblem]
C – Charlotte [Fire Emblem]
D – Dixie Kong [Donkey Kong]
E – Dr. Eggman [Sonic the Hedgehog] | Ephraim [Fire Emblem]
F – Fighter (Warrior of Light) [Final Fantasy I/Dissidia Final Fantasy]
G – Gardevoir [Pokémon]
H – Hector [Fire Emblem]
I – Isaac [Golden Sun]
J – “Joker” [Persona]
K – Knuckles the Echidna [Sonic the Hedgehog]
L – Lyn [Fire Emblem]
M – Miles “Tails” Prower [Sonic the Hedgehog]
N – Nightmare [Soul Calibur]
O – Octoling [Splatoon]
P – Pyra (featuring Rex) [Xenoblade]
Q – “Queen” (Makoto Nijima) [Persona]
R – King K. Rool [Donkey Kong]
S – Shadow the Hedgehog [Sonic the Hedgehog] | Sephiroth [Final Fantasy VII]
T – Tifa Lockhart [Final Fantasy VII]
U – Urbosa [The Legend of Zelda]
V – Vaati [The Legend of Zelda]
W – Bandana Waddle Dee [Kirby]
X – Mega Man X [Mega Man]
Y – Yarn Yoshi [Yoshi]
Z – Zephiel [Fire Emblem]

I had to really wrack my brain for a "Q" character, because I didn't want to say Qbby.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

I doubt we are getting a new pokemon character. 6 newcomers at most. and maybe 4 or 5 echos.
in fact, I am only expecting 7 characters left. one for each month leading up and then a bunch at the end,

This is in need of some solid explanation. Especially the part about no Pokemon newcomer.

 

[Radical Bones]

I doubt we are getting a new pokemon character. 6 newcomers at most. and maybe 4 or 5 echos.
in fact, I am only expecting 7 characters left. one for each month leading up and then a bunch at the end,

Pokemon is one of Nintendo's biggest franchises and due to the nature of the series it is arguable the easiest game to pick a newcomer from as new, popular Pokemon come out every 2-3 years.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

With the addition of Hilda and Impa as echo fighters, I'm prepared for the possibility that there may be only 5 more newcomers, leaving us at 70 fighters (not counting Echo Fighters).