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Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

Almost one month has passed since release. In retrospect....

  • This is by far the best Smash ever. Like, I don't even know how they will top this.

  • Pretty freakin' good; I have a few qualms over things like internet play, balancing issues, etc.

  • It's ok, but [insert Smash game here] is better.

  • I'd rather play Parcheesi.


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An idea I had was being able to unlock a hidden character in the demo by playing enough VS Matches (I was disappointed they didn't do something like that for Wii Fit Trainer), say 100 or so. I'm still sticking with 5, but if if we had to go 8, :ultmario::ultlink::ultpikachu::ultkirby::ultmarth::ultpit::ultridley::ultinkling: would be my guess.

inb4 i accidentally make another forum game again
If there was 8, I'd expect at least one returning cut character, probably :ulticeclimbers:.
 
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Watch as we datamine the games and find all these "Mario" placeholders, laugh it off and think we found nothing, but become disgusted later down the road when the game comes out and all the new characters are literally just different versions of Mario.
We need Mario from Mario is Missing! And Golfer Mario, and Driver Mario, and Tennis "Pro" Mario.
 

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A demo? I don't care about datamines tbh. I played 66+ hours of the 3DS demo and I'm ready for a Switch demo.
Something like the Blazblue open beta would be amazing.
 

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A demo? I don't care about datamines tbh. I played 66+ hours of the 3DS demo and I'm ready for a Switch demo.
Something like the Blazblue open beta would be amazing.
You must be really good at those 5 specific demo characters...
 

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Watch as we datamine the games and find all these "Mario" placeholders, laugh it off and think we found nothing, but become disgusted later down the road when the game comes out and all the new characters are literally just different versions of Mario.
I bet they're gonna be Paper Mario, 8 Bit Mario, Metal Mario, & Live Action Mario.
 
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Most of the time when a demo is datamined it's doesn't take the company that released it by surprise. They know that people go through the code. It's basically a calculation between if it's worth the time and effort to scrub a demo of data just to prevent it leaking, or just let it leak because a lot of the time, that's free publicity.

I do think we'll get a demo, not because the game needs one to sell, but because the new online service will need a testfire.
 

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Most of the time when a demo is datamined it's doesn't take the company that released it by surprise. They know that people go through the code. It's basically a calculation between if it's worth the time and effort to scrub a demo of data just to prevent it leaking, or just let it leak because a lot of the time, that's free publicity.

I do think we'll get a demo, not because the game needs one to sell, but because the new online service will need a testfire.
I’m more worried about the Online service right now than Smash newcomers.

It’s nearing august and we’re just shy from 1 month before the service is put into effect and we still don’t have a lot of information about it. Nintendo is going to soon tell all the details about the online service to be worth the 20 bucks after having it free at first.
 

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YOUR REACTION

If Nintendo announces that Smash Ultimate would be getting an demo event like what they did with Splatoon, ARMS, & Mario Tennis Aces.
I'd be pretty pleased about a demo announcement. I'd only be more concerned about the risk of possible datamining and spoilers of the Roster. At the very least, I'd be looking forward to trying out Ridley and Inklings if they're playable in the demo.
 

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I'd actually be okay with Metal Mario if the Meta Crystal stage came back too.
 
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If they ever did a open beta thing for smash ultimate, i bet they'll release it alongside the online system.

also here's what i think the roster of the demo would be:
:ultmario::ultlink::ultpikachu::ultpeach::ulticeclimbers::ultmarth::ultsonic::ultsnake::ultpit::ultvillager::ultmegaman::ultpacman::ultinkling:(Newcomer) (Newcomer)

3 Characters per entry:
Smash 64: Mario, Link & Pikachu
Melee: Peach, Ice Climbers, Marth
Brawl: Sonic, Snake, Pit
Wii U/3DS: Villager, Megaman, PacMan
Ultimate: Inkling, Newcomer 1, Newcomer 2
 
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I'd actually be pretty down for a Metal Mario echo, just for the 64 nostalgia
If Echoes can't have different weights(so far our only information suggests that), then he'd ironically be impossible to be an Echo. On the other cap, he could make a fun and interesting clone if they give him unique properties. Maybe even a different Side B, but keep the Mario Spin. And be heavier than Dr. Mario, of course. With super armor perhaps? Though it'd have to be on specific moves and/or jumps, not just always having it to a certain degree, as that would be unbalanced.
 

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If they reboot the franchise, I don't think that any of the original 12 are going anywhere.
 

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If Echoes can't have different weights(so far our only information suggests that), then he'd ironically be impossible to be an Echo. On the other cap, he could make a fun and interesting clone if they give him unique properties. Maybe even a different Side B, but keep the Mario Spin. And be heavier than Dr. Mario, of course. With super armor perhaps? Though it'd have to be on specific moves and/or jumps, not just always having it to a certain degree, as that would be unbalanced.
Ah, true. Didn't think about the weight thing. Still, probably a semi-easy clone, and would be a nice little throwback to the OG game, especially with the "everyone is here" tagline.

If they reboot the franchise, I don't think that any of the original 12 are going anywhere.
It depends on how hard of a reboot it is, IMO. I think Jigglypuff and Captain Falcon could potentially be in danger, but I agree the other 10 characters are pretty much locked in.
 

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they do a Street Fighter third strike hard reboot with mario, pikachu, samus, kirby, and link as the only returning and the rest are all newbies
 
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If they have a Boss Mode, I am hoping we get to fight Mega Rayquaza.
Bonus if it was shiny, but that is unlikely.

Mega Rayquaza is legit one of my favorite Pokemon.
 

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If Echoes can't have different weights(so far our only information suggests that), then he'd ironically be impossible to be an Echo. On the other cap, he could make a fun and interesting clone if they give him unique properties. Maybe even a different Side B, but keep the Mario Spin. And be heavier than Dr. Mario, of course. With super armor perhaps? Though it'd have to be on specific moves and/or jumps, not just always having it to a certain degree, as that would be unbalanced.
Mario from 64 differs a lot from Mario now. You could just give Metal Mario that moveset. :p
 
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Jigglypuff will never and I mean never get cut in any future Smash games.
 
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Ah, true. Didn't think about the weight thing. Still, probably a semi-easy clone, and would be a nice little throwback to the OG game, especially with the "everyone is here" tagline.
It makes me miss Giant DK too. Though at least he has a different moveset due to Melee differences.

Mario from 64 differs a lot from Mario now. You could just give Metal Mario that moveset. :p
Dr. Mario more or less does that already. Need a bit more, imo. At least a new Side B. Maybe some kind of flying tackle by using the Wing Cap? Could also go invisible for a moment as a Taunt. Kind of a Super Mario 64 throwback character.
 

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Note: I consider this my most likely roster. For a bet, I'd put this one forward first. Though, I realize Arms characters are a stretch...no pun intended.
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This is a Melee-style roster in that there are 8 original newcomers and 6 Echo Fighters.

Reveal Dates
  • August: Spring Man
  • September: Simon Belmont
  • November: Zeraora
  • December: Rex, King K. Rool, Excitebike
Alts
  • Dry Bowser (8)
  • Inkling/Octoling (8)
  • Ridley/Meta Ridley (8)
  • King K. Rool/Kaptain K. Rool (4)
  • Spring Tron (8)
  • Modern Simon/Classic Simon (4)
 
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Jigglypuff's been low priority since Brawl, it definitely isn't uncuttable.
But she hasn't been cut. They had every opportunity to remove her from the game, especially in Brawl. They never did so I don't think they ever will.
 

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But she hasn't been cut. They had every opportunity to remove her from the game, especially in Brawl. They never did so I don't think they ever will.
"Remove" is the wrong word. Characters aren't removed, they just aren't carried over.
In Brawl, Jigglypuff was added late with Toon Link and Wolf, so they didn't appear in SSE.
In Smash 4 on 3DS, Jigglypuff uses the exact model used in Pokemon X/Y when no other 'mon does, suggesting she was low effort.

It's not that there were opportunities to remove her, it's that her reasons for staying in were so fragile.
 

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I made this roster for characters that I don't have as much faith in, but regard as very real possibilities. I'm not expecting people to like this roster. I just want it to be out there.
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There are 70 fighters, not counting echo fighters. Zeraora is #70. I'm prepared for the possibility that we may only get a few new fighters, so this is my forecast of that outcome.

All of my other rosters predict Excitebike and Mimikyu. But, Mach Rider may be easier to implement with the ability to assemble and dissemble his bike via particles/pixels for animations that won't fit (such as, jumping, swimming, or climbing ladders), but he uses his bike as his running animation, first jump, and most of his attacks.

Zeraora is my second pick if Mimikyu is not seen as a viable fighter by Sakurai. Zeraora isn't just electric like Pikachu. He has magnetic powers that allow him to levitate or encase himself in a shield. I believe this is the Pokemon that the Pokemon Company would want to promote if they don't choose Mimikyu. In case you are wondering, he's existed prior to 2018, where people data mined him out of Pokemon Ultra Sun & Ultra Moon.

I'm really crossing my fingers for Ninten and if you are wondering why Dark Samus is an echo fighter, it's not because she's known for sharing Samus's abilities, but because, like Ganondorf, her model allows her to perform most if not all of Samus's animations, which is the process by which echo fighters are made. And of course, people have pointed out that she is missing from Samus's colors.
The moment I saw Zeraora it turned less into a prediction and more into a want. (and with your comment on Ninten)
Y'know, predicting implies it's actually largely probable compared to others, not really what you hope to happen.
 
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It makes me miss Giant DK too. Though at least he has a different moveset due to Melee differences.


Dr. Mario more or less does that already. Need a bit more, imo. At least a new Side B. Maybe some kind of flying tackle by using the Wing Cap? Could also go invisible for a moment as a Taunt. Kind of a Super Mario 64 throwback character.
Oh man, I almost forgot about Giant DK. Good times...really wanna go play some 64 now
 
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I don't think that Cap, Ness, or Jiggs will ever be cut from any Smash.
Woah, I never implied Ness or Captain Falcon will be.

Of the original 12, Jigglypuff is the only one that is possible to get cut due to the nature of her series that made her a low priority character. A reboot would more or less kill her chances in favor of some of the other pokemon in the game that already represents the series well enough (Pikachu, Mewtwo, Pokémon Trainer, Greninja, Lucario).

Ness and Captain Falcon are some of the remaining remnants of their series.
 
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Woah, I never implied Ness or Captain Falcon will be.

Of the original 12, Jigglypuff is the only one that is possible to get cut due to the nature of her series that made her a low priority character. A reboot would more or less kill her chances in favor of some of the other pokemon in the game that already represents the series well enough (Pikachu, Mewtwo, Pokémon Trainer, Greninja, Lucario).

Ness and Captain Falcon are some of the remaining remnants of their series.
But I fear that Ness and Captain Falcon may be cut in favor of more recent and relevant characters. Their series will never again get a new installment, making them low priority.
 

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One thing to note about the OG 12 is that in Brawl the coding has Mario, Donkey Kong, Link, Samus, Yoshi, Kirby, Fox, Pikachu, Luigi, Ness and Captain Falcon as the first 11 listed and Jigglypuff is towards the bottom
 
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