Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[PsychoJosh]

So I've been playing a bit of Doom 2016 on my upgraded PC.

It's considerably more fun than I expected. I haven't always been the hugest fan of Bethesda games since Fallout 3 put a really sour taste in my mouth (HATED it), but this one is way more my speed. It's action packed and crazy.

However, I'm still questioning whether Doom Marine has any potential as a Smash character whatsoever. It would seem that putting him in Smash would be a VERY difficult challenge for the developers, because on top of having to avoid realistic guns (which cuts out a significant portion of his arsenal), the game is also too steeped in Judeo-Christian iconography to be censored without cutting out a significant portion of the game's content. They wouldn't be able to put any of the game's most iconic demons as enemies in a Doom-based level, or even have a stage based on Hell (which is where the majority of the game takes place), due to the Christian-esque depiction of demons. That would probably offend a lot of people.

Bayonetta manages to get away with it, yes, but the thing about Bayonetta is that while she fights angels, the angels in her game have their own unique and bizarre designs and do not resemble angels from any known religious scripture. One of the angels resembles a two-headed eyeless dragon with a giant upside down cupid face for a body. With its unique designs it manages to avoid the iconography problem. I don't think Doom will be able to get away with the same thing because a massive portion of its content has to do with that kind of iconography.

If Smash Five for the switch came out, will the developer find a way to make game cube controllers allowed? What are your thoughts?

The Switch already has two USB ports on the dock that exactly match the ones for the Gamecube Controller adapter.

On top of that they already announced that they've added support for GameCube controllers in several games.

So yeah, this isn't really a question.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

So I've been playing a bit of Doom 2016 on my upgraded PC.

It's considerably more fun than I expected. I haven't always been the hugest fan of Bethesda games since Fallout 3 put a really sour taste in my mouth (HATED it), but this one is way more my speed. It's action packed and crazy.

Glad you're enjoying it! And, well, Doom is technically an Id game so it doesn't follow the same tropes as Bethesda games. Much like Wolfenstein: The New Order

However, I'm still questioning whether Doom Marine has any potential as a Smash character whatsoever. It would seem that putting him in Smash would be a VERY difficult challenge for the developers, because on top of having to avoid realistic guns (which cuts out a significant portion of his arsenal), the game is also too steeped in Judeo-Christian iconography to be censored without cutting out a significant portion of the game's content. They wouldn't be able to put any of the game's most iconic demons as enemies in a Doom-based level, or even have a stage based on Hell (which is where the majority of the game takes place), due to the Christian-esque depiction of demons. That would probably offend a lot of people.

The references to Christianity and it's depiction of Hell in general is the biggest hurdle for Doom Slayer that I can see, so I agree. Though placing a stage on the Destroyed Mars Research Base is an easy work around. It's iconic enough from the game but not demonic in any definite way. On the other hand the words 'demon' and 'hell' are enough to spark a conversation about what should and shouldn't be included in a game and Smash already has Demon-Lord Girahim and the Demons from Bayonetta. Maybe that could be a problem with showing off some of the demons but I don't think a Hell Knight or a Hell Razer would really cause any controversy besides the fact of the name, 'Hell' and of course 'demons'.

Bayonetta manages to get away with it, yes, but the thing about Bayonetta is that while she fights angels, the angels in her game have their own unique and bizarre designs and do not resemble angels from any known religious scripture. One of the angels resembles a two-headed eyeless dragon with a giant upside down cupid face for a body. With its unique designs it manages to avoid the iconography problem. I don't think Doom will be able to get away with the same thing because a massive portion of its content has to do with that kind of iconography.

It's not entirely true that Bayonetta is free from any religious reference as there are multiple references to Buddhism, Hinduism, and Christianity though they're not quite as in your face as Doom is. For instance Queen Sheba is a direct reference to The Queen of Sheba who was Solomon's wife.

It's a hurdle but it can definitely be cleared if enough caution is taken. Not that it will be cleared but it is possible.

 

[Deleted member]

On the other hand the words 'demon' and 'hell' are enough to spark a conversation about what should and shouldn't be included in a game and Smash already has Demon-Lord Girahim and the Demons from Bayonetta. Maybe that could be a problem with showing off some of the demons but I don't think a Hell Knight or a Hell Razer would really cause any controversy besides the fact of the name, 'Hell' and of course 'demons'.

Don't forget this guy. :V

 

[Ghirahilda]

Guys, I had dream that ALL four Champions from Breath of the Wild were added to the roster!!! I was so happy! Think for a minute...
Just
Think
For
A
Minute

What is the best way to show the Zelda series more love right now? The Champions are really a thing right now

Zora, Goron, Rito, and Gerudo races being represented in Smash!
Each one with a unique traits! It's like young link with masks (but bether)
Mipha, Darmani, Revalli & Urbosa!
Look how amazing this should be!!! It is pure Zelda love! It will be such a shocking and hyped reveal! (But no, I'm not expecting It)

"Oh they would never add four new reps for one series"

Well, Pokemon did get four in Brawl
(And Fire Emblem did get three on SSB4)

Oh I would be so surprised if this happens

(Wish I could go back to my dream)

 

[Venus of the Desert Bloom]

If we would get a Bethesda character, my money is on the Dovakin. Adaptable moveset, memetastic, iconic and recent, plus Elder Scrolls is fmdiverse enough to technically fit into Smash and still work unlike the aforementioned Doom. I imagine maybe something like Skyrim Skies as a touring type stage. Or if we want a more centralized stage, then perhaps Whiterun or Throat of the World. However, even with the two studios buddying up, I’m still wary of any Bethesda property coming into Smash. I’ve just begun warming up to the idea of perhaps Scorpion or Sub-Zero being included.

Going onto a different subject, I’m interested what guest 3rd Party character that they will go with to hype things up. Brawl was Snake and then Sonic. 4 was Mega Man. What other 3rd Party characters can generate that amount of excitement, hype, and astonishment. Can Rahman or Bomberman do that! Or perhaps we need something more out there like Banjo or Crash.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

Having an joke character is fine, but they could have at least done the courtesy of making the character an lethal joke character that can fight on par with the rest of the cast given that hey, these are all beloved characters who do have fans, or alternatively, if they HAVE to make somebody weak as an joke, why not just use Sandbag instead given that he's an original character designed specifically for Smash?

Be careful of the idea of a lethal joke character though, because cheap fighting game bosses have been a thing. Of course, Giga Bowser pretty much comes the closest to being the cheapest fighter in the Super Smash Bros. series, all thanks to his huge size. But the only time that Giga Bowser was treated as a non-playable fighter was in Super Smash Bros. Melee, and the cheapness was only really seen when you face him in Adventure Mode.

Ever since Brawl turned Giga Bowser into a Final Smash, the cheap fighting game boss routine pretty much became non-existent in the Super Smash Bros. series (Master Hand, Crazy Hand, all the Subspace Emissary bosses, and Master Core do not count, as they're not fought the same way as with Giga Bowser), but at least joke characters are still a thing.

 

[Deleted member]

Having an joke character is fine

Little Mac?

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Little Mac?

I wouldn't really count Mac as a joke character.

Sure, his air game is horrible and his recovery is pathetic, but his ground game is pretty crazy.

Joke characters are designed to suck on pretty much anything. Mac is just a case of "master of one, jack of no other trade"

 

[Deleted member]

I wouldn't really count Mac as a joke character.

Sure, his air game is horrible and his recovery is pathetic, but his ground game is pretty crazy.

- I was referring to For Glory Little Macs. They make Little Mac a joke. Plus, his smash attacks are a joke because they are really good. Good Little macs are a different story though.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

- I was referring to For Glory Little Macs. They make Little Mac a joke. Plus, his smash attacks are a joke because they are really good. Good Little macs are a different story though.

That kind of thing can apply to any character though.

 

[QuintonShark8714]

My Prediction if not a port
what do you think?

*=secret
Row 1:Captain Toad*, Daisy*,*, Dixie Kong, King K. Rool*
Row 2:Impa, *,*, Linkle*, *,*,*,
Row 3:Bandana Dee,*,*,Decidueye,*,*, *, Black Shadow*
Row 4:Isabelle, Rex, Elma, Takamaru, Inkling, Spring Man, *,*,*, Sukapon*
Row 5:Shovel Knight, Shantae,




also, i'm not so sure on and Ridley

 

[UserKev]

what do you think?
*=secret
Row 1:Captain Toad*, Daisy*,*, Dixie Kong, King K. Rool*
Row 2:Impa, *,*, Linkle*, *,*,*,
Row 3:Bandana Dee,*,*,Decidueye,*,*, *, Black Shadow*
Row 4:Isabelle, Rex, Elma, Takamaru, Inkling, Spring Man, *,*,*, Sukapon*
Row 5:Shovel Knight, Shantae,




also, i'm not so sure on and Ridley

Is this a prediction roster? There are way too many Fire Emblem characters. I don't think Lucario will return. I have some doubts for Greninja and Mewtwo also. You were better off having either with Decidueye. You should have threw in a new Donkey Kong rep for the heck of it that has realism behind it. Shantae?

This is a pure fan roster.

 

[Deleted member]

what do you think?
*=secret
Row 1:Captain Toad*, Daisy*,*, Dixie Kong, King K. Rool*
Row 2:Impa, *,*, Linkle*, *,*,*,
Row 3:Bandana Dee,*,*,Decidueye,*,*, *, Black Shadow*
Row 4:Isabelle, Rex, Elma, Takamaru, Inkling, Spring Man, *,*,*, Sukapon*
Row 5:Shovel Knight, Shantae,




also, i'm not so sure on and Ridley

https://smashboards.com/threads/overview-etiquette-and-rules.367663/

( EDIT: I know this is not a tier list. It can bring the same results as a tier list thread. )
In the competitive Smashboards rule, tier list threads are not allowed. A character selection chart can share the same results a corrupted tier list thread can, as people would want to use other charts. This has the same aspect as a tier list and if everyone posts their own it can be a hot mess. I have a chance of being wrong, but I personally think that posting tier lists or something like this can cause a mess in the thread. I am sorry if this offended you - please forgive me if it did.

I think your character selection actually looks solid in a good way!

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

https://smashboards.com/threads/overview-etiquette-and-rules.367663/

In the competitive Smashboards rule, tier list threads are not allowed. This has the same aspect as a tier list and if everyone posts their own it can be a hot mess. I have a chance of being wrong, but I personally think that posting tier lists or something like this can cause a mess in the thread.

That's not a tier list.

It's a character select screen layout.

 

[Deleted member]

That's not a tier list.

It's a character select screen layout.

I know, I just said it has the same aspect as a tier list. It can get spread and derail the conversation into something heated.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

I know, I just said it has the same aspect as a tier list. It can get spread and derail the conversation into something heated.

There are no rules against it in speculation.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

what do you think?
*=secret
Row 1:Captain Toad*, Daisy*,*, Dixie Kong, King K. Rool*
Row 2:Impa, *,*, Linkle*, *,*,*,
Row 3:Bandana Dee,*,*,Decidueye,*,*, *, Black Shadow*
Row 4:Isabelle, Rex, Elma, Takamaru, Inkling, Spring Man, *,*,*, Sukapon*
Row 5:Shovel Knight, Shantae,




also, i'm not so sure on and Ridley

There is a roster maker application that you can use to make your roster input look better.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

There is a roster maker application that you can use to make your roster input look better.

While there's nothing wrong with that "application" (which is basicaly just a template you put pictures on using image editing software, not really an application), it could end up being pretty time consuming.

Plus, the newcomers really stand out that way because they have no pictures.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

While there's nothing wrong with that "application" (which is basicaly just a template you put pictures on using image editing software, not really an application), it could end up being pretty time consuming.

Plus, the newcomers really stand out that way because they have no pictures.

While it's true that the process can be time-consuming, you can still implement icons for the newcomer fighters if you have the proper image editing tools.

 

[Venus of the Desert Bloom]

My Prediction if not a port
what do you think?

*=secret
Row 1:Captain Toad*, Daisy*,*, Dixie Kong, King K. Rool*
Row 2:Impa, *,*, Linkle*, *,*,*,
Row 3:Bandana Dee,*,*,Decidueye,*,*, *, Black Shadow*
Row 4:Isabelle, Rex, Elma, Takamaru, Inkling, Spring Man, *,*,*, Sukapon*
Row 5:Shovel Knight, Shantae,




also, i'm not so sure on and Ridley

Can’t Daisy just be a palette swap like Olimar and Alph? That would make the most sense. Also, as much as I want Lana or Linkle, technically, they are technically Koei Tecmo characters. I’m sure, when push comes to shove, they could be included in but Koei would definitely have to have a say in the process.

 

[Opossum]

Is this a prediction roster? There are way too many Fire Emblem characters. I don't think Lucario will return. I have some doubts for Greninja and Mewtwo also. You were better off having either with Decidueye. You should have threw in a new Donkey Kong rep for the heck of it that has realism behind it. Shantae?

This is a pure fan roster.

Why on earth would Lucario be cut? He's become a secondary face of the franchise after Pikachu.

 

[Staarih]

There are way too many Fire Emblem characters.

It's the same amount we have now. Unless that's too many for you of course.

 

[NintenRob]

Do people really think Linkle should be in Smash? Really? She's one of the few characters that's almost geno level of bad. Maybe even worst since her existence is still quite cringe worthy

 

[Deleted member]

Be careful of the idea of a lethal joke character though, because cheap fighting game bosses have been a thing. Of course, Giga Bowser pretty much comes the closest to being the cheapest fighter in the Super Smash Bros. series, all thanks to his huge size. But the only time that Giga Bowser was treated as a non-playable fighter was in Super Smash Bros. Melee, and the cheapness was only really seen when you face him in Adventure Mode.

Ever since Brawl turned Giga Bowser into a Final Smash, the cheap fighting game boss routine pretty much became non-existent in the Super Smash Bros. series (Master Hand, Crazy Hand, all the Subspace Emissary bosses, and Master Core do not count, as they're not fought the same way as with Giga Bowser), but at least joke characters are still a thing.

We get it. Stop.

 

[PsychoJosh]

My Prediction if not a port
what do you think?

*=secret
Row 1:Captain Toad*, Daisy*,*, Dixie Kong, King K. Rool*
Row 2:Impa, *,*, Linkle*, *,*,*,
Row 3:Bandana Dee,*,*,Decidueye,*,*, *, Black Shadow*
Row 4:Isabelle, Rex, Elma, Takamaru, Inkling, Spring Man, *,*,*, Sukapon*
Row 5:Shovel Knight, Shantae,




also, i'm not so sure on and Ridley

Pretty weak roster. Apart from the overabundance of Fire Emblem characters, and the downright confusing additions of Impa and Linkle (seriously, what?), general audiences won't be buying the game if there isn't a huge mind-blowing character reveal. They pull out all the stops every time a new Smash comes along. There would have to be a huge reveal like Bomberman, or Banjo-Kazooie - something on that level that would just make everyone go nuts. Also, this is just a personal gripe, but there aren't enough new heavyweights.

Also, Shovel Knight and Shantae? Give me a break. There's no way those two will ever find their way to Smash and I say that's for the better. Their audiences are comparatively tiny.

It's the same amount we have now. Unless that's too many for you of course.

It is.

 

[Opossum]

Pretty weak roster. Apart from the overabundance of Fire Emblem characters, and the downright confusing additions of Impa and Linkle (seriously, what?), general audiences won't be buying the game if there isn't a huge mind-blowing character reveal. They pull out all the stops every time a new Smash comes along. There would have to be a huge reveal like Bomberman, or Banjo-Kazooie - something on that level that would just make everyone go nuts. Also, this is just a personal gripe, but there aren't enough new heavyweights.

Also, Shovel Knight and Shantae? Give me a break. There's no way those two will ever find their way to Smash and I say that's for the better. Their audiences are comparatively tiny.



It is.

Shantae I agree with, but I think Nintendo themselves publishing Shovel Knight in Japan pushes him out of "never gonna happen" territory and to dismiss him entirely seems foolish.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

We get it. Stop.

If net neutrality gets thrown out the window, you'll most likely get your wish.

Anyway, I'm just saying that joke characters should not be made into overpowered monsters. We already have one fighter who was once the Shao Kahn of the Super Smash Bros. series.

 

[Aurane]

It's the same amount we have now. Unless that's too many for you of course.

I personally feel it went overboard when Corrin should up, but he's a freaking dragon warrior dude, so he(she) gets a pass from me. *shrugs*

 

[Luminario]

Well we can safely say our girl Bayo is coming back

Spoiler: video~

 

[PsychoJosh]

Well we can safely say our girl Bayo is coming back

Spoiler: video~

I told you guys.

She's an icon. Deal with it.

 

[Arcadenik]

I am almost 100% certain Mega Man and Bayonetta will come back in Smash 5.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I am almost 100% certain Mega Man and Bayonetta will come back in Smash 5.

MegaMan's one that has a very good chance, but only cause Capcom Co. LTD have made some pretty bad decisions. Likewise for Capcom USA and thus, Ryu. I think they will come back, but we could see another Snake situation. Cloud as well could be a one-time wonder, depending how easily Square-Enix cooperates for multiple games.

Bayonetta, Sonic, and Pac-Man seem like obvious returns. If I remember right, they had to work with Sega to have Sonic return, so ti wasn't an easy addition "just like that". This is part of why any 3rd party should be looked at more carefully than just "obvious return". Many things can happen.

Overall, I think practically every 3rd party will come back, with maybe Cloud as an exception(and Snake is up in the air), from Smash 4, specifically.

 

[NintenRob]

With a recent announcement, I want to share a list of Smash franchises that have and haven't had a new game since the release of Smash Wii U.

Mario: Mario always has new games, Most notable is Mario Odyssey.
Zelda: Breath of the Wild is most notable, but there is also Triforce heroes. Hyrule Warriors also released just before Smash Wii U but didn't get any content.
Pokemon: ORAS, SM, USUM and Switch game
Kirby: Planet Robobot and Star Allies. Also a bunch of smaller games.
Metroid: Samus Returns and Metroid Prime 4. Prime 4 especially garnered a lot of hype
Star Fox: a revival of sorts with Star Fox 0, created by Miyamoto
Yoshi: technically Yoshi's Woolly World, but more importantly is Yoshi on Switch
Fire Emblem: Fire Emblem Echoes, Heroes, Warriors and an upcoming Switch game
Pikmin: Hey Pikmin came out for 3DS and Pikmin 4 is in the works..... Probably
Sonic: Sonic got Mania and Forces this year. Mania was well received by all
Animal Crossing: Animal Crossing had Happy Home design on 3DS and recently got a game on the mobile
Xenoblade Chronicles: X on Wii U and recently 2 on Switch.
Mega Man: Mega Man 11 was just announced for all systems. And all past Mega Man and Mega Man X games are coming to Switch
Pac-Man: Pac-Man ghostly adventure 2 released between the two Smash games. And 2016 had Pac-Man 256. He's also had a bunch of other mobile exclusive stuff
Street Fighter: Street Fighter 5 released last year on PlayStation 4. And Ultra Street Fighter 2 on Switch
Final Fantasy: Final Fantasy 15 was last year. Final Fantasy 7 (the only one Smash cares about) still has its remake in the works
Metal Gear: phantom pain was after Smash Wii U right? Not that it matters much.

Now Smash franchises that don't have anything

Donkey Kong: the biggest franchise on this list, despite that Donkey Kong and Diddy Kong still have remained relevant in the Mario spinoffs and Mario Odyssey having a level pay homage to the franchise (most notably the arcade game).Tropical Freeze also released really close to Smash Wii U
F-Zero: sigh
Earthbound: Franchise is finished with its story, although Earthbound beginnings was released worldwide for the first time in 2015
Ice Climbers, Game & Watch, Robot, Duck Hunt: All Retro franchises, expected not to have new games
Kid Icarus: before uprising, it was also a retro franchise. It's future is unknown
Wario: Last game was Game & Wario, but he has stayed relevant in Mario games.
Wii Fit: um. Wii brand is over now. Not sure where this leaves Wii Fit Trainer
Punch Out: like Kid Icarus, was a retro franchise until it returned with the Wii game.
Bayonetta: unless you count that joke 8-bit game, but there has been little teases.

New games 16 (17 if you count Metal Gear)

No games 8 (12 if you count retro franchises)


Those 16 is why I want a new game instead of a port.

That's another Smash franchise with another game confirmed in the future. Bayonetta!

 

[Arcadenik]

MegaMan's one that has a very good chance, but only cause Capcom Co. LTD have made some pretty bad decisions. Likewise for Capcom USA and thus, Ryu. I think they will come back, but we could see another Snake situation. Cloud as well could be a one-time wonder, depending how easily Square-Enix cooperates for multiple games.

Bayonetta, Sonic, and Pac-Man seem like obvious returns. If I remember right, they had to work with Sega to have Sonic return, so ti wasn't an easy addition "just like that". This is part of why any 3rd party should be looked at more carefully than just "obvious return". Many things can happen.

Overall, I think practically every 3rd party will come back, with maybe Cloud as an exception(and Snake is up in the air), from Smash 4, specifically.

Yeah, sounds about right.

- TBD
- Sonic Mania
- Mega Man 11
- Namco Museum (with Pac-Man Vs.)
- Ultra Street Fighter II: The Final Challengers
- TBD
- Bayonetta 3

As for possible third-party newcomers, I can think of a few.

Bomberman - Super Bomberman R
Rayman - Rayman Legends: Definitive Edition
Shantae - Shantae: Half-Genie Hero
Shovel Knight - Shovel Knight: Treasure Trove

Argh... Konami needs to do something with Simon Belmont. I need a Castlevania game for the Switch. It's nice that Simon's games were included in both NES Classic Edition and SNES Classic Edition but I don't think they will be sufficient to help get Simon in Smash as a playable character.

I guess Banjo-Kazooie could be the Snake/Cloud of Smash 5, a character who seems unlikely due to being (almost) exclusive on rival consoles.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Shovel Knight - Shovel Knight: Treasure Trove

Treasure Trove is technically the same game as the original Shovel Knight, but renamed.

And the one Shovel Knight expansion that did show up in 2017 did not have Shovel Knight himself in any shape or form.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Yeah, sounds about right.

- TBD
- Sonic Mania
- Mega Man 11
- Namco Museum (with Pac-Man Vs.)
- Ultra Street Fighter II: The Final Challengers
- TBD
- Bayonetta 3

As for possible third-party newcomers, I can think of a few.

Bomberman - Super Bomberman R
Rayman - Rayman Legends: Definitive Edition
Shantae - Shantae: Half-Genie Hero
Shovel Knight - Shovel Knight: Treasure Trove

Argh... Konami needs to do something with Simon Belmont. I need a Castlevania game for the Switch. It's nice that Simon's games were included in both NES Classic Edition and SNES Classic Edition but I don't think they will be sufficient to help get Simon in Smash as a playable character.

I guess Banjo-Kazooie could be the Snake/Cloud of Smash 5, a character who seems unlikely due to being (almost) exclusive on rival consoles.

Oh, I wasn't meaning just "they're getting games". The point of most of the 3rd parties is that they're gaming legends(Bayonetta being the exception, although Snake counts for that too), and they weren't added regardless of having any games lately or not. That wasn't their point. Just to clarify, Snake and Bayonetta got added for unrelated reasons(first cause Kojima's son asked and the second because she was the most realizable choice among the Smash Ballot).

That said, all 4 you mentioned also are notable in their own way. Some others are easily Steve? from Minecraft, Master Chief from Halo, Lara Croft from Tomb Raider, Doomguy/Slayer(name varies) from Doom, and if you want to go into the Rare properties, you have the 3 Battletoads, as well as Jago and Fulgore for the most influential series they have. That is, unique rare properties(I'm ignoring the Donkey Kong stuff when I say this, who obviously are much higher, but already in Smash, although a lot of Rare's old DK stuff isn't in, that said. Licensing issues and all that). There's also various Namco-Bandai stuff(Soul Calibur, Tekken, Tales of, Klonoa, Digimon, just to name a few. I'm not sure if Klonoa is nearly as memorable as the other 4, though. Tales of might also be a bit more niche than Soul Calibur, Tekken, and Digimon, which are very big names these days).

That said, I don't know many of the other Namco-Bandai stuff(that didn't already have a Smash appearance in some way, to clarify), and I cannot legitimately think of any unique game IP's beyond Digimon for Bandai's stuff. Then again, they aren't as memorable as Namco and their immense Arcade collection, respectively.

 

[PsychoJosh]

I am almost 100% certain Mega Man and Bayonetta will come back in Smash 5.

I am all for it. I want all the third parties to come back. Sonic, Ryu, Cloud, even Snake. It's an honor for them to join in.

This makes Smash games like a big event in of themselves. I'd be so happy if it just ballooned into a huge celebration of video games every time.

 

[SuperSmashStephen]

This is a roster I created not too long ago that I feel would be totally plausible for Smash 5. This is if it’s a completely new game, NOT A PORT.

That being said, I even have issues with it, and I made it. I took into account a few rules/ stipulations.

1. It’s Sakurai’s game, and at the end of the day, he’ll add who he feels belongs/deserves it. (Reason behind the abundance of Fire Emblem characters as he loves the franchise. It doesn’t matter if we feel they should be there or not.)

2. Sakurai has previously stated that characters with unique movesets are important to his vision of the game (in more or less words). So, I don’t see characters like Wii Fit Trainer, Little Mac, Shulk, etc going anywhere. This also ties in with the addition of new characters.

3. While it is Sakurai’s game, he does somewhat listen to fans, and can/has/will give into fan service. It’s a quick, cheap, and assured way to make people want the game.

4. I did this roster with the idea of it being the final Smash game. (Atleast on Sakurai’s end. As I know Smash will probably never die.)

5. Smash has made some characters it’s own in a sense. I.e. Falco, Sheik, Lucario, Captain Falcon, etc.

There are 22 Newcomers in all (8 are DLC)
The “?” are as follows
Metroid Prime 4 rep
Pokémon Switch rep
Fire Emblem Switch rep
Rex & Pyra/Mythra
And 3 spaces for “new” franchises whether they be new IP from Nintendo or DLC.

DLC is as follows:
Ridley
K. Rool
Lucina
Wolf
Cloud
Monster Hunter
New IP
New IP

Please ask me why I have added some characters, and left others out. I’d love to CIVILY discuss why.

Let me know what you think of this roster in general. I know it’s quite large, but Smash gets bigger with ever iteration, and at some point the roster could get a little mulled if the character additions are too much. I feel like I’ve got the right balance though. An 80 icon select screen.

*Edit: Marshal is in place of Tibby because I couldn’t find a picture. Felyne is in place of Monster Hunter because I couldn’t find a picture. Same for Rex & Pyra.

Character alts are as follows:
Bowser Jr. (Koopalings)
Olimar (Pikmin 4 protagonist or Alph)
Spring Man (Ribbon Girl)

Male/Female variations:
Robin
Corrin
Villager
Inkling
Wii Fit Trainer
Mii Fighters
Monster Hunter
Hero/Heroine (Dragon Quest)

Also, I have ideas for changes that could possibly be made to the game (i.e. Final Smash changes, Items, Modes.)

 

[PsychoJosh]

You guys seem to miss the forest for the trees with these predictions.

They don't always just put who you expect in the game. Some characters come entirely out of left field that you would have never anticipated in a billion years, sometimes even from IP that are already represented in the roster. Things like Robin, or Palutena, or Dark Pit. Completely bonkers characters like Game & Watch and Duck Hunt.

I'm not about to start my own prediction list just yet but if I were to make one I'd put in more bizarre picks like Mona from Warioware or F-Type from Stunt Race FX. Perhaps even the Mach Rider, or King Hippo.

I mean I'm sure some characters are practically shoe-ins at this point, like Takamaru and K. Rool. But you know, I'm just saying to expect the unexpected.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

Just in case Smash Switch is merely a port with content that's not in the 3DS and Wii U versions, I didn't go too overboard with my roster image.