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Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

Almost one month has passed since release. In retrospect....

  • This is by far the best Smash ever. Like, I don't even know how they will top this.

  • Pretty freakin' good; I have a few qualms over things like internet play, balancing issues, etc.

  • It's ok, but [insert Smash game here] is better.

  • I'd rather play Parcheesi.


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Okay.

Let's do third parties this time.


Just so everyone remembers, here are the five questions.


1. How excited are you for this potential character, identity wise? Meaning who the character is and what they represent.
2. How excited are you for this potential character's potential moveset?
3. How excited are you for a potential stage from this series?
4. How excited are you for potential items and assist trophies from this series?
5. How excited are you for potential music from this series?

I'll even give you lots of franchises to do.

Today's franchises will be...

Castlevania
Silent Hill
Resident Evil
Tekken
Tale of
Soul Calibur
Tomb Raider
Dragon Quest
Rayman
Crash Bandicoot
Basically, the gist of it is I'd be very excited for Soul Caliber, Tekken, Tale of, Tomb Raider, and Rayman to have any representation it Smash. My mind would blown if characters or main characters making their way in (especially Jin Kazama, and Ling Xiaoyu, Taki, and Mitsurugi, from Tekken, and Soul Caliber).

Same go for stages, ATs, items and ESPECIALLY music, I love game music. If Soul Caliber makes it way into Smash, they better not forget about the best song from their franchise, in my opinion it's like Soul Caliber's version of Fountain of Dreams.
Why yes, yes I do. Quite a few as well since I'm making up for the whole day.
Nintendo will reveal 2 characters in august, Ken as a Ryu Echo fighter and Heihachi as an all new character.

In october they will make a smash direct where they are going to reveal King K. Rool, Shantae and Simon Belmont, they are also going to reveal a new story mode and a new gamemode.

There will be a Pokémon direct in November some days after the Pokémon let's go Pikachu/Evee, where they are going to reveal the new Pokémon games. There will be a character reveal for Decidueye as the last reveal in that direct.

There will be 3 surprise characters when released with trailers after the game release, they will be Ninten as an Echo fighter, Shovel Kinght and the Chorus kids.

Pretending to know exactly when Nintendo will reveal characters?
Shantae would be nice though.
As you all may know, an abundance of fake Smash Ultimate leaks since the first E3 announcement. However, that doesn't mean there weren't a few right ones out of the questionable pit. I and a handful of others have made threads talking of the return of every fighter in Smash history, mine talked about the return of Young Link and Pichu. I will admit, not all information is clear nor
"leaked" per say. As Nintendo themselves are slowly becoming aware of the likes of 4Chan and are slowly securing their games more efficiently. Luckily I gathered a team with other individuals which just so happened to bypass certain lengths and have called ourselves the "Ultimate Leakers".

I, am the leader of this team. We randomly give out information of what to expect for Smash Ultimate, to believe us relies on your hands.

Today I will trace back what the team has given me regarding the newcomers. Some planned for DLC after the game's release, it's important to note that Sakurai sometimes works ahead of time and had this idea for years after the positive reaction of Smash 4's DLC. The game itself still has months of working on, as there is a possible new Story Mode, though not the Space Emissary from Brawl.

>Shadow the Hedgehog: Sonic series

Information on him being an echo of Sonic is unknown, though what was mentioned is that he bares some similarities to the blue blur himself as in speed, only slightly slower but stronger in most attacks with also being a bit heavier than Sonic. Changes like the homing attack is its longer range but less jump compared to Sonic's, damage has not been told exactly but can estimated to be stronger. Another change is the recovery option, the spring is disregarded completely as Shadow preforms chaos control to warp high into the air before falling. Faster than Sonic's spring with the same amount of range, difference being Shadow cannot use aerial attacks like Sonic. Of course, this can be controlled by the player and warp to any direction.

Some final wording on Shadow, his final smash: Super Shadow, is different from Super Sonic. Instead of speeding around the stage at intense speeds, Shadow transforms into his Super form and warps to the center of the stage then unleashes a devastating chaos blast and those who are hit will be trapped in its radius will rapidly increase their damage percentage until the final blow occurs which will mostly likely K.O.

It's said that along with Shadow will come a new stage representing Sonic Forces: that stage will be Park Avenue. Said stage comes with the songs Fist Bump, Theme of Infinite, Park Avenue, I Am... All of Me, and All Hail Shadow to compliment Shadow's debut. A possible remix is mentioned though not completely official on which will get it.

The status of Shadow being DLC or not is unknown, though as he was DLC in Forces as Episode Shadow it could very well be a possibility. Just by speculation, however.

It's true that Sakurai is trying to give series that don't have many fighters will be given good treatment this time around, as Ninten from Earthbound is somewhat popular in the leaks, described as a echo of Ness.

From the Kirby series welcome Bandana Dee, unlockable newcomer as one of the first to be leaked from the team besides Shadow and Ninten, moveset involves the obvious spear, and hints of a parasol, debating if it's apart of the customs or adjustment to the base moveset, to be looked further into.

Donkey Kong will be getting two new reps, Dixie Kong and King K Rool. KKR by high demand and Dixie by Sakurai's request for another rep. Not much info on KKR other than he'll be getting his own stage meanwhile Dixie is to be a semi-echo of Diddy Kong, however she'll be faster but weaker. Animations and attacks differ with her hair usage. Final Smash has not been leaked, yet seems to be different than Diddy's.

ARMS character Spring Man to be DLC, Ribbon Girl as an assist trophy and Spring Stadium as a stage.

After the initial outcry during the E3 trailer, plans have been put in place to upgrade Waluigi from an assist trophy to playable character. His assist trophy will be replaced with Birdo instead.

Sakurai is still debating on how to handle Waluigi's attacks. It is possible that the Mario sports games will be the inspiration.

It is unknown if he'll be DLC or not due to time constraints.

Rex and Pyra will have a trophy in the base game.

Could it be...ONE OF THE FOUR HEAVENLY LEAKERS? What a momentous occasion that they should grace us with their presence!

Wait, they're talking about DLC being developed? Well dang. I'll grace them by putting this one in the graveyard.
Hey guys!

I have inside information on the new Super Smash Bros game.

First of all, all of the "leaks" saying anything about DLC are fake, due to the fact that Sakurai has not started thinking about DLC yet.

Also, echo fighter do not take up other fighters opportunities because they don't take as much time to make.

With that being said, here are the new fighters.

Original Fighters

-King K. Rool
-Dixie Kong (Diddy Kong Semi-Clone)
-Bandana Dee
-Decidueye (New Pokemon Rep.)
-Chorus Kids
-Simon Belmont
-Rayman
-Geno

Echo Fighters
-Medusa (Palutena)
-Dry Bowser (Bowser)
-Ninten (Ness)
-Dark Samus (Samus)
-Impa (Sheik)

Finally, Smash Run and Adventure Mode are returning, due to them being fan-favorite modes.

This is one of the best rosters I've seen from a 4chan leak. Like, if this had Elma and Ashley it'd be literally perfect. That being said, this leak is boring and bland. That's it.
~inhale~
Newcomers Not Announced:
Banjo-Kazooie
Simon Belmont
Tapu Koko
Dark Matter (taking his Dream Land 2/Planet Robobot Form)
Ninten (Echo of Ness)
King K. Rool
Brittany (Echo of Olimar, but uses Rock Pikmin and adopts the style of gameplay from Olimar in Brawl, i.e. no specific Pikmin order and original recovery)
Karate Joe
Shantae
Black Shadow (Echo of C. Falc.)

Mii Costumes return from Smash 4, and their reveal will take place during a Nintendo Direct soon before Ultimate's release. Some costumes you can expect are:
Takamaru (Sword)
Bewear (Brawl)
Samurai Goroh (Sword)
Zero (With his MMZ design and MMX designs as separate costumes) (Sword)
Protoman (Gun)
Bass (Gun)
Captain Falcon (Brawl)
Dark Samus (Gun)
Flying Man (Brawl)
Duster (Brawl)
Stanley the Bugman (Gun, uses bug spray)
Gruntilda (Non-Specific, can be used by all Miis)
Shovel Knight (Sword)
Alucard (Non-Specific, can be used by all Miis)
Resetti (Sword, uses pickax and looks hella dumb)
Isabelle (Gun)
KK Slider (Gun)
Rabbid Mario (Gun)
Rabbid Luigi (Gun)
Rabbid Peach (Gun)
Rabbid Yoshi (Gun)
Captain Syrup (Non-Specific, can be used by all Miis)
Tails (Gun)
Knuckles (Brawl)
Shadow (Gun)
Mighty (Brawl)
Rex (Sword)
Ganondorf (Hyrule Warriors design) (Sword)
Geno (Gun)
Scorpion (Brawl)
Sub-Zero (Gun)
Violent Ken (Brawl)
Blanca (Brawl)
Heihachi (Brawl)
Waluigi (Non-Specific, can be used by all Miis)


New Assist Trophies not Revealed:
Isabelle
Chrom
Bandana Waddle Dee
Spring Man
Murphy (from the Rayman series)
Mumbo
Ramblin' Mushroom
Fawful
Vaati
Duster
Most assist trophies return from Smash 4.

Stages:
Most stages already have been confirmed by eagle eye YouTubers. A few more stages yet to have been revealed, new & old, include:
Gangplank Gelleon
Spiral Mountain
Dracula's Castle
Ultra Space
Sequin Land
PNF-404 (Similar to Distant Planet from Brawl but featuring Pikmin 3 enemies)
Star Dream (Haltmann as stage hazard if Meta Knight is not on playing field, Sectonia clone as stage hazard if he is. Nice nod to the Robobot ending, takes place in the room you find Star Dream.)
Rhythm Heaven (Similar to Wario Ware Inc.)
Ruined Zoo 9Re-used assets from SSE's Ruined Zoo, not scrolling and no Porky fights)
Brinstar Depths (Melee)
PokeFloats (Melee)
Hanenbow (Removed music gimmick) (Brawl)
Forest Maze
Mysterious Murasame Castle
Icicle Mountain (Melee)
Pyrosphere (Smash 4, removed Ridley as a boss)

Final Notes:
-Single player is similar to Adventure Mode, but longer and with more unique challenges aside from simple battles to distance it from Classic mode. Master/Crazy Orders, Smash Run, Smash Tour, Event Matches, Home Run Contest, Break the Targets, Board the Platforms, Multi-Man Smash and, of course, Classic Mode return as well.
Daisy plucks different items from the ground from Peach. Peach can get Bombs and Mr. Saturn, while Daisy can pluck Food and a Maxim Tomato. Daisy is more reliant on self-healing.
DLC isn't planned currently and won't be until the game is finished like Sakurai said.
All this info will be dropped around the year in smaller chunks,
Mii Fighters are planned to be in online battles.
Online now has more competitive modes, but what they'll be I can't say for sure.

Wow. That's a lot to digest for sure. The inclusion of Mii Costumes is certainly interesting, but I doubt Nintendo would go that far for Mii Costumes of all things. Banjo & Kazooie, Simon Belmont, and Shantae would be great though. And Star Dream as a stage? Yes please. Points for some effort
It's actually coming, I've watched the entire thing and I can tell you the following aren't true:

>NSMB Switch

>Mario Maker Switch

>Final Fantasy 7 Remake

>Kingdom Hearts 3, Mortal Kombat X (Fallout is real)

>Metal Sonic in Sonic Mania Plus (no idea why the other leaker made that up, lol)

Everything else is there one way or another. Some additional spoilers/corrections:

>Smash is the first thing on Direct, not last

>Star Fox racing game releases this November, titled Star Fox G

>Nintendo is publishing a new game from Bastion/Transistor developers, only concept art teaser shown

>There's a whole Microsoft *segment* including the Fortnite cross-play, Cuphead and Minecraft

>Mother 3 is EarthBound Ever, trailer starts off with a very western film vibe

I think those are most things in it, unless I forget something

May be OP, may not

Oh, I did forget something
Pokemon Yellow is fully playable within the new Let's Go games

Corroborates the July 22nd Direct "leak." Interesting that it makes corrections to the original, which would make sense (If I were a leaker, I'd add red herrings to throw people off of what I say).
Hi everyone. I'm here to share some informations about the new smash's roster.
I'm actually working on it. Here are the newcomers :

11e-Blood Falcon
13e-Daisy
36e-Dixie Kong
38e-Shadow
64-Inkling
65-Ridley
66-Ashley
67-Paper Mario
68-King K Rool
69-Bandana Waddle Dee
70-Magolor
71-Rayman
72-Skull Kid
73-Ray MK II

-K Rool was planned before the ballot's results.
-The two last newcomers will not be reveal until the game launches.

That's all for me.

Ray MK II? I WANT TO BELIEVE. Other than that, this leak doesn't have much going for it.
Hey guys, I have recently fallen upon some new info on the upcoming Smash game, and I am here to share it with you.

We will be receiving 7 more new characters and 4 more echo fighters.

They are:
>Simon Belmont (Castlevania)
>Ninten (A Semi-Clone of Ness/Lucas)
>Elma (Xenoblade)
>Skull Kid (Zelda)
>Adol Christin(Ys)
>Ashley(WarioWare)
>King K. Rool (DK)
Echoes:
>Dixie Kong (Diddy Echo)
>Glass Joe (Little Mac Echo)
>Chrom (Ike Echo)
>Dark Samus (Samus Echo)

Stages for the new fighters are:
>For Simon, Dracula's Castle
>For Elma, New Los Angeles
>For Adol, Felghana
Those are all of the new stages I know of

There will be a story mode, but it's less focused than Subspace Emissary and has many branching paths.

That's all I know, it's up to you the believe any of it

Same old story, minus the Ys character, who is a literal "who?" character. I highly doubt they would include such an odd pick over other more popular third party choices. While the Ys series is popular over in Japan and has recently been picking up steam here, there are better Eastern oriented picks, like Ashley, Erdrick, or even Sora.

Typical run of the mill stuff really.
You know, I'm starting to miss the times Amaterasu was considered leakworthy. Thanks again for the update.
Are we going balls to the walls with this Smash Bros?
  • Crash Bandicoot
  • Master Chief
  • Goku
These three characters would be completely crazy, mind-blowing reveals for me.
  • Sora
  • Simon Belmont
  • Shantae and/or Reimu
  • Yu Narukami/Joker
  • Rayman
  • Banjo & Kazooie
  • Doom Guy
These characters would be amazing third party picks.

All of these characters in one Smash Bros. game would make me faint.
This basically my list too, just swap Doomguy with Amaterasu, and Simon with Saber from Fate/Stay Night.
 

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I have absolutely no clue why people are so fixated on Dixie Kong being an echo fighter when semi-clones / traditional clones still exist.
She'd be a lot better as a Diddy-like character with a few unique ponytail moves here and there than just Diddy with a ponytail slapped on.
Yeah, and you can say the same thing about “SHADOW WITH CHAOS MOV”-


 
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Does this mean Sakurai sees Gamecube as retro?
Does this mean that we can we finally put Isaac as a Retro now?
 

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How dare you double post website


Anywho GameCube Controller for Smash
 
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Verge is saying no more info huh.

Wonder why.

I wonder why.

To me this is now his ''I guess I got fed bad info" out.

Don't expect Simon basically.
On that note, he is ALSO specifically saying he’s still certain about Simon Belmont.
 

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I don't know how the tweet has anything to do with Sunshine being retro now, he's just talking about how it was Bowser Jr's first game.
 
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On that note, he is ALSO specifically saying he’s still certain about Simon Belmont.
Yep.


Vergeben said:
Simon is in.
I still find it funny how people keep insisting that he isn't in just because he hasn't been revealed yet. I never even said he'd be revealed at E3.
But whatever. When you see that he's revealed, your tune will change.
EDIT: Did you just :ultgreninja:'d me?
 
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It's known that the full roster has been floating around certain circles, but none of Smash ecelebs are willing to leak it because they're a bunch of ******* afraid of the Ninteninjas. So here it is. Feel free to screencap this.

Newcomers
>Inkling
>Ridley
>K. Rool
>Dixie Kong
>Ashley
>Gengar
>Waddle Dee
>Chorus Kids
>Mach Rider
>Geno
>Banjo & Kazooie

Echo Fighters
>Daisy
>Isabelle
>Dark Samus
>Louie
>Shadow

Meh. I doubt Smash ecelebs have the full roster, and if it is floating around somewhere, it's among industry insiders, executives, and maybe some informants like Emily Rogers and Vergeben, who are likely keeping it to themselves. The characters themselves are as boring as ever, as at this point even "unconventional picks" like Gengar and Mach Rider are par for the course.
This exact list was given before with the only difference being Dixie listed as an Echo instead of a regular Newcomer.
geng7.png
 

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Gotta keep those 15 minutes somehow.

This dude knows nothing.
You're starting to come off like those guys who swore Gematsu wasn't real at all.

Look dude, I'm not saying he's right or wrong, but we simply don't know and so far, he's gotten some pretty big details right.

And I'm pretty sure he got a look at the E3 demo.

It's how he knew Snake, Ice Climbers and Ridley were there and how he knew Ridley was playable at E3 and specifically at E3. That's probably his first source.

I don't see why you're so darn defensive about this.

Unless you know something we don't.
 

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Like, not that I particularly CARE, but I have no reason to believe that, IF Simon Belmont was revealed, these people wouldn't just turn around and say "well, he was already obvious. This is just another lucky coincidence."

Either way, I'll be happy to play as Simon Belmont.
 

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Did anyone ever make one of those custom ultimate icons for NiGHTS? Looking for one for...personal reasons.
I feel like I remember seeing one, but now I'm not too sure.
 

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I really hope Sakurai gives us another chance to express our requests for DLC via online ballot. There's so many characters I was too stupid to ask for that I really wanna see. Characters that probably got a lot of requests that I never contributed too.

If the new character select screen has characters in order of appearance, than we won't have to worry about DLC messing it up. I really do hope DLC is a thing this time.
 

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I really hope Sakurai gives us another chance to express our requests for DLC via online ballot. There's so many characters I was too stupid to ask for that I really wanna see. Characters that probably got a lot of requests that I never contributed too.

If the new character select screen has characters in order of appearance, than we won't have to worry about DLC messing it up. I really do hope DLC is a thing this time.
Given how successful Smash DLC was before and how much DLC is being implemented in Nintendo Switch games, I'm pretty confident in it. I hope it will also give us the opportunity for characters that may have not been able to be considered, like (potentially) Spring Man.
 
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I guess that person really likes Gengar, so he posted his leak again.
Assuming it's not someone else posting the same leak with one minor difference.

I've been keeping track of as many Gengar-related leaks as possible. Earliest dates back to even before E3, which is interesting in the fact it called every veteran returning, but got at least two things dead wrong (Alph being his own character, Samurai Goroh being a Newcomer) and didn't call Ridley or Daisy.

While each leak with Gengar has some degree of consistency on things (even the obviously fake one with Adam Sandler), this is the first time two leaks have been almost the exact same. Personally, I find that rather odd.
It's unlikely it's the same person each time. If it was, they got really lazy this time.
 
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I really hope Sakurai gives us another chance to express our requests for DLC via online ballot. There's so many characters I was too stupid to ask for that I really wanna see. Characters that probably got a lot of requests that I never contributed too.

If the new character select screen has characters in order of appearance, than we won't have to worry about DLC messing it up. I really do hope DLC is a thing this time.
Why bother if it's just going to be ignored and Sakurai's gonna add Springman?

Half /s
 

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This exact list was given before with the only difference being Dixie listed as an Echo instead of a regular Newcomer.
View attachment 153635
¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Maybe the dude got it wrong, or someone copy pasted the list and changed that. Maybe it's right, and this is simply another source corroborating it. I'm willing to give it the benefit of the doubt.
Gotta keep those 15 minutes somehow.

This dude knows nothing.
I maintain my stance on what Vergeben's been saying:
tehponycorn said:
This is one of the most realistic things I've ever heard. I've theorized for a while that Nintendo or companies working for them have been flooding 4chan with deliberately fake "leaks" so that any real leaks would be immediately discounted. Distributing false information would be another step to ensure that no actual information leaks, or if it does, part of it is false, and therefore immediately tossed to the side.
When the puzzle "leaker" noteacherthecrestsaretoblame (the one who did the coordinate puzzle, word search, and the Where's Waldo? "leaks") outed themselves, not only did they make me question my procedure of sharing leaks, but they also said this:
noteacherthecrestsaretoblame said:
Who is the real creator of all these 4chan leaks?
This was during the flood of leaks that occurred about two weeks ago, and it made me stop to think about who was making all of these "leaks." The volume of "leaks" within that time span was ridiculous, with nearly every single one of my posts having about 2 to 3 "leaks" attached to them. I can understand that trolls want to waste people's time for laughs, or some people are desperate for validation and attention, but /v/ was being flooded with "leaks." It was around this time that I began to really think something deeper was at play. Even before that I had my suspicions, such as with the "Toby leak"
Toby leaker said:
Here to kill every fake leak that Nintendo is paying someone to create because he steals everyone's lunch in the break room's fridge, go **** yourself "Toby" you waste of oxygen

"Toby" is paid to come on here and **** with all of you as damage control because real things do actually get leaked, and have already.
I definitely think that Nintendo is employing tactics to prevent major leaks from occurring. What Vergeben is saying makes perfect sense, and also ties into this statement:
Anon said:
I'll let you in on a secret "leakers".
Even people working here don't know the entire list. We find out characters on a need to know basis because of how anal they are with leaks. Most of the time legit leaks happen because of everything wrapping up, aka when everyone gets to see the full game before finalizing with last rounds of QA/ratings/manufacturing/selling, or extremely early if someone knows someone who saw Sakurai's full design plan instead of an abridged one.
Like ****, I didn't even know Snake was in the game until the direct.
From what we can infer, Nintendo gives employees information on a need-to-know basis. Therefore, it makes sense for Nintendo to send specific, false information out to employees so that it could be traced back to them in the event that they tell anyone. They don't want another Ninka/Vaanrose on their hand, where two employees leaked the entire roster between the two of them. It makes sense for vergeben's sources to have spaghetti streaming out of their pockets because they don't know what's fake and what's real. Additionally, if they say anything it can be traced back to their source in the company, who would then get them both into a lot of legal trouble.

Additionally, Nintendo is deliberately flooding 4chan, a website known for actual leaks, with fake text "leaks," so that if a real leak were to appear, it would be immediately thrown aside due to it just being "another text leak." I'm not saying that this is the cause for every fake leak, but I would guess that anywhere from 60 - 120 or more of the "leaks" I have documented (of which I currently have 261) could very well be part of a misinformation campaign by Nintendo
 
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Gengar would be awesome in Smash, aside from the fact it's another Gen 1 pick.

Gengar has remained popular for a long time.
 

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Gengar would be awesome in Smash, aside from the fact it's another Gen 1 pick.

Gengar has remained popular for a long time.
The only gens that are "missing" a playable Pokemon in Smash are 3, 5, and 7, right? Who would everyone pick from each to add to the current Smash roster?

I'll say Sceptile, Zoroark, and Incineroar.
 

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Gonna say now that Vergeben is really sketchy in my eyes, between the things he's gotten wrong or backtracked on, or the accusations of him editing posts. After reading more and more from him, I think his track record is incredibly mixed with a lot of things that could have been piggybacked.

For one reason or another, he doubled down on Simon. He has acted dead certain about him despite using phrases like "I don't know with 100% certainty but" or "I heard that" when talking about other rumors. That doesn't mean it's true or even likely, but I believe that Verge is probably convinced of it himself. I'm not getting my hopes up at all though.
 

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The only gens that are "missing" a playable Pokemon in Smash are 3, 5, and 7, right? Who would everyone pick from each to add to the current Smash roster?

I'll say Sceptile, Zoroark, and Incineroar.
Grovyle, Zoroark and Lycanroc.

Grovyle
I'm choosing Grovyle over Sceptile because the sleek and cleaner design appeals to me more and Grovyle could also represent the Pokemon spinoffs. Grovyle was a major character in some Pokemon Mystery Dungeon games. Plus, not all Pokemon need to be their final form! It's a shame to leave some of the second stage evos out of the fun. And no I'm not talking about the representation, we have Ivysaur and Pikachu. People just forget about them.

Zoroark
One of the most marketed Pokemon from Gen V and a Pokemon with potential for a fairly unique moveset. There aren't really any other Gen V Pokemon worth considering.

Lycanroc
Lots of potential for rock type moves like the ability to use Stealth Rock for stage control and highly promoted. I also love the design of Lycanroc, and they could potentially even throw in transformation mechanics too! Tons of potential. I also considered Decidueye and Mimikyu, but I do feel like Lycanroc has the most potential of the three and I'd rather not choose a second grass starter.
 
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...Gengar would be pretty cool.
Gengar is not an Ice Type though.
Gengar has remained popular for a long time.
Spongebob would be awesome in Smash. Spongebob has remained popular for a long time.
Do not take this seriously please.

Speaking of the Vergeben leak, I feel like everyone's hopes for Simon sky-rocketed just because of that one leak.
Like if there was no Vergeben leak we would of not even been talking about Simon.
 

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Grovyle, Zoroark and Lycanroc.

Grovyle
I'm choosing Grovyle over Sceptile because the sleek and cleaner design appeals to me more and Grovyle could also represent the Pokemon spinoffs. Grovyle was a major character in some Pokemon Mystery Dungeon games. Plus, not all Pokemon need to be their final form! It's a shame to leave some of the second stage evos out of the fun.

Zoroark
One of the most marketed Pokemon from Gen V and a Pokemon with potential for a fairly unique moveset. There aren't really any other Gen V Pokemon worth considering.

Lycanroc
Lots of potential for rock type moves like the ability to use Stealth Rock for stage control and highly promoted. I also love the design of Lycanroc, and they could potentially even throw in transformation mechanics too! Tons of potential. I also considered Decidueye and Mimikyu, but I do feel like Lycanroc has the most potential of the three and I'd rather not choose a second grass starter.
Grovyle or Sceptile. As long as it's a reptile Pokemon, I'm good...
 

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i know this was a while ago. but HOW is ryu vanilla? he has a unique counter, input moves, one of two moves that ignores shields (shulk counter), normal variations, cancel windows, unique combos, and more that is much more technical. he has more unique traits than any other character in the series.
people saying ryu and Heihachi are alike and dont have variety between them is like saying we dont need anymore sword chaarcters ever because we have marth. Heihachi has his family's martial arts: electric upper ,, multi-sweeps, lomg sweeping kicks. he could also have tekken duck under to fight projectiles like street fighter x tekken.

it really feels like huge numbers o fpeople that post here haven't played thatmany games outside nintendo. (especially the given the vitriol towards third parties) Heihachi got a mii costume before k king k and geno did. he has been referenced in other fighting games and even appears in some party games. he is also a big character in japan where tekken is king. heihachi would be great in this game many peopel would love him. this reaction to him to is almost identical as to what ryu received in the day before he was out.
Vanilla as in he's a pretty generic character. He's a martial artist who dresses the part and takes himself too seriously. There's nothing particularly interesting about him compared to the colorful characters he's beside.

Mind you, he's implemented super well, and the attention to detail is admirable! But he's just not really an exciting or interesting addition, that's all.
 

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I was never a fan of Sceptile until I played him in Pokken.

They turned him into a trap laying, samurai-ninja and it's AMAZING.
Now granted, Decidueye is also cool, but man... those wings do not look right in 3D.
 

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Speaking of the Vergeben leak, I feel like everyone's hopes for Simon sky-rocketed just because of that one leak.
Like if there was no Vergeben leak we would of not even been talking about Simon.
For me personally, that's only partially true.

I had Simon on my 2016 roster; my ideas for "if they made a Smash for Switch." I included both Simon AND Snake.

Two years later, when I made a new one, I decided to generally dial-down the number of characters I included, so I considered removing Snake and Simon under the pretense that "Nintendo and Konami were no longer working on projects together." Ultimately, I didn't BECAUSE of the Vergeben leak.

HOWEVER, since Snake did get confirmed at E3 AND we have only seen Bomberman as an AT, I believe I would still be talking about Simon regardless.
 

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The only gens that are "missing" a playable Pokemon in Smash are 3, 5, and 7, right? Who would everyone pick from each to add to the current Smash roster?

I'll say Sceptile, Zoroark, and Incineroar.
Gardevoir, Lilligant and Mimikyu.
 

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Vanilla as in he's a pretty generic character. He's a martial artist who dresses the part and takes himself too seriously. There's nothing particularly interesting about him compared to the colorful characters he's beside.

Mind you, he's implemented super well, and the attention to detail is admirable! But he's just not really an exciting or interesting addition, that's all.
Ryu is honestly the only character announced in Smash 4 that got me hyped.
 

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Vanilla as in he's a pretty generic character. He's a martial artist who dresses the part and takes himself too seriously. There's nothing particularly interesting about him compared to the colorful characters he's beside.

Mind you, he's implemented super well, and the attention to detail is admirable! But he's just not really an exciting or interesting addition, that's all.
I kind of disagree.

Yes, he is the epitome of your generic fighting game character; serious martial artist, with some interesting abilities like the Hadouken and hurricane kick.

However, he is also THE ORIGIN of that type of character; Ryu is pretty much where it all started. He's not a vanilla fighting game character; he's THE vanilla fighting game character.

...And also, I was really excited by his inclusion cause I love Street Fighter.
 

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Grovyle, Zoroark and Lycanroc.

Grovyle
I'm choosing Grovyle over Sceptile because the sleek and cleaner design appeals to me more and Grovyle could also represent the Pokemon spinoffs. Grovyle was a major character in some Pokemon Mystery Dungeon games. Plus, not all Pokemon need to be their final form! It's a shame to leave some of the second stage evos out of the fun.

Zoroark
One of the most marketed Pokemon from Gen V and a Pokemon with potential for a fairly unique moveset. There aren't really any other Gen V Pokemon worth considering.

Lycanroc
Lots of potential for rock type moves like the ability to use Stealth Rock for stage control and highly promoted. I also love the design of Lycanroc, and they could potentially even throw in transformation mechanics too! Tons of potential. I also considered Decidueye and Mimikyu, but I do feel like Lycanroc has the most potential of the three and I'd rather not choose a second grass starter.
Ivysaur and Pikachu are in their second stages though.
 
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