Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[~ Valkyrie ~]

While I currently would not be heartbroken if Sora wasn’t added to Smash, I DO think it would be really cool to have a matchup between the Master Sword, Monado, Buster Sword, and Keyblade. They’re pretty iconic swords (Monado less so), so I think that would be a pretty cool thing for Smash to be able to brag about...

Plus that would be yet ANOTHER PlayStation “all-star” that PSASBR wouldn’t have.

Super Smash Bros. featuring Sora would be something people rather see happen instead of him being in PSASBR back in the day, to be honest.

Even then, Super Smash Bros. has no competitors to brag anything about by this point. All of them has managed to kick the bucket more or less up to this point, mainly due not living to the standards Smash Bros. has left in the wake of it's rising glory. So all this seems kind of free game in a way.

 

[Idon]

We've had beam swords every game.

Yeah but not a character who specifically wields him.

My man.
Just kidding! I have never played No More Heroes.
They should just add Darth Vader himself, to be honest. SoulCalibur already did it. Plus it makes negotiating Sora, Mickey, and Spider-Man a little easier, and I know those are all hotly requested characters.

Alright first off, you should check NMH out
Second off, I'm of the opinion that we should keep Smash specifically a video game crossover.
Also, Darth Vader? Mickey? Spiderman?
Hotly requested? By whom?

 

[Kenith]

Literally the funniest thing about Captain Toad can't jump is that Sakurai will legit just make a corny *** joke about it. ''It's a good thing he packed light!"

And like...that's that on that.

It's such a silly hold up people have about translating him to Smash Brothers.

I can literally picture Sakurai's translator for the next Direct, with their hilariously dry tone, saying this.

 

[Wambo]

I can't tell if this is a really snarky comparison or if you've never played a Paper Mario game.

I've played the first two Paper Mario games. I love TTYD to pieces, and Glitzville is my favorite area in any Mario RPG game. The plots in the Paper Mario games, however, usually drag Mario into them, but aren't part of his overall goal, which is to rescue Princess Peach (as always).

Super Mario RPG on the other hand, shook up the formula and forced Mario and Bowser to work together to save the world (and Geno's world), and Peach also became a playable character (instead of another "damsel in distress" role). It also came up with the "seven stars" template that would be reused in the Paper Mario games, and created a whole new world of characters that's more creative and complimentary to the Mario art style than anything in Paper Mario.

My man.
Just kidding! I have never played No More Heroes.
They should just add Darth Vader himself, to be honest. SoulCalibur already did it. Plus it makes negotiating Sora, Mickey, and Spider-Man a little easier, and I know those are all hotly requested characters.

I do hope you're kidding.

And play No More Heroes. It's not a huge gem, but it's still a seriously underrated Wii game. Great characters and soundtrack.

 

[PLATINUM7]

Yeah but not a character who specifically wields him.

Beam swords are a now a single male entity?

Regardless, I haven't played NMH so I'm indifferent to Travis but he seems like a cool addition.

 

[P.Kat]

Figured i’d drop in before I head to bed for the night to share something pretty cool.

I just beat Kingdom Hearts 1. I’ve never played the series before, and besides some of the cringy moments throughout the game (I wasn’t raised as a “Disney kid”), I definitely appreciate the game for what it is.

I’m starting Chain of Memories tomorrow.

While I currently would not be heartbroken if Sora wasn’t added to Smash, I DO think it would be really cool to have a matchup between the Master Sword, Monado, Buster Sword, and Keyblade. They’re pretty iconic swords (Monado less so), so I think that would be a pretty cool thing for Smash to be able to brag about...

Plus that would be yet ANOTHER PlayStation “all-star” that PSASBR wouldn’t have.

Congrats, I'm glad you're enjoying it, I beat Birth By Sleep sometime ago, so I'm currently trying to beat KH 1

Yeah having all those swords would be awesome that's one of the reason I want Saber from Fate/Stay Night in Smash since she has the legendary sword, Excalibur, and Amaterasu has a legendary blade too. Imagine the legendary swordfights that we all could have.

Either way, glad you're having fun with Kingdom Hearts, good night.

 

[92MilesPrower]

MODES: >Funky Kong

Oh snap, we're getting Funky mode in Ultimate as well?

 

[Shadowwolflink]

I see a lot of people wanting Crash Bandicoot and my co-worker had been praising the N. Sane Trilogy, so I figured I'd pick it up.

I don't think I've ever hated a game more than this. I don't understand how a game that relies so heavily on essentially pixel perfect platforming can have such awful controls, or why anyone would think it was a good idea to allow movement to the back and front during sidescrolling sections. What made this game popular?

 

[Idon]

Beam swords are a now a single male entity?

Regardless, I haven't played NMH so I'm indifferent to Travis but he seems like a cool addition.

I really should double check my posts.
Aaaanyway, the coolest thing about Travis isn't how much he uses his beam sword, but how he doesn't use it and regularly resorts to just punching and suplexing people.

 

[Chandeelure]

There is a character that had Beam Swords in her moveset.

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

 

[RandomAce]

I have no problem with Geno, I wouldn't be opposed to having him in Smash, but if he got in and I found out the reason why Sora couldn't get into Smash was because SE chose Geno over him, I'd be disappointed, I mean I'll still be happy for all the Geno fans cause getting your fav character is the best, but I know I'd be a little salty.

Oh no,

If Geno got in because he was chosen over Sora, SORA, a character that represents one of the biggest crossover franchises, Geno is getting crucified by the hoard of Sora and KH fans, and me because that means no KH music and that is truly criminal over Super Mario RPG music.

Forget Geno being a popular character for Smash, his fan base is feeble compared to Kingdom Hearts and Sora supporters. Plus, Geno is a MARIO character, treating him as a guest is not a going to send a good message to a lot of people.

Let’s just have BOTH, DLC or Base.

If Sakurai ever made that statement, Geno would be one of the most controversial/hated characters, and that’s not good for Geno fans.

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

Literally the funniest thing about Captain Toad can't jump is that Sakurai will legit just make a corny *** joke about it. ''It's a good thing he packed light!"

And like...that's that on that.

It's such a silly hold up people have about translating him to Smash Brothers.

Somehow I'm imagining this being said while Captain's shown as an Assist, actually, basically making a jab on the character via implying he's so weak, he can't jump despite packing light. The internet would go gaga for this new form of "Waluigi Deconfirmed"-meme.

Though I kind of had predicted a long while back that Captain Toad will be the "Chrom" for this game, so I guess that fits.

 

[Kenith]

I see a lot of people wanting Crash Bandicoot and my co-worker had been praising the N. Sane Trilogy, so I figured I'd pick it up.

I don't think I've ever hated a game more than this. I don't understand how a game that relies so heavily on essentially pixel perfect platforming can have such awful controls, or why anyone would think it was a good idea to allow movement to the back and front during sidescrolling sections. What made this game popular?

Back then: Being the first of its kind.
Now: Nostalgia.

Though a lot of people who bought/enjoyed this game never even played Crash as a kid.

I do hope you're kidding.

And play No More Heroes. It's not a huge gem, but it's still a seriously underrated Wii game. Great characters and soundtrack.

Alright first off, you should check NMH out
Second off, I'm of the opinion that we should keep Smash specifically a video game crossover.
Also, Darth Vader? Mickey? Spiderman?
Hotly requested? By whom?

Noted. Will look into No More Heroes. All I know about Travis is that he's an ass. Or something similar.

You're right, I should not make unverifiable claims of popularity.
Darth Vader is not that requested.

 

[Will]

What made this game popular?

You already know the answer, as is with every other fourteenth remake of the year.

Spoiler

 

[PLATINUM7]

Oh no,

If Geno got in because he was chosen over Sora, SORA, a character that represents one of the biggest crossover franchises, Geno is getting crucified by the hoard of Sora and KH fans, and me because that means no KH music and that is truly criminal over Super Mario RPG music.

Forget Geno being a popular character for Smash, his fan base is feeble compared to Kingdom Hearts and Sora supporters. Plus, Geno is a MARIO character, treating him as a guest is not a going to send a good message to a lot of people.

Let’s just have BOTH, DLC or Base.

If Sakurai ever made that statement, Geno would be one of the most controversial/hated characters, and that’s not good for Geno fans.

Man I freaking love KH but wouldn't bat an eye if Geno got in and Sora didn't. There's also probably a lot of KH fans who don't even know who Geno is and wouldn't realise the connection to Square Enix.

Also we get any Yoko Shimomura music we basically get KH music in. It's all similar sounding tbh.

 

[Kenith]

Oh no,

If Geno got in because he was chosen over Sora, SORA, a character that represents one of the biggest crossover franchises, Geno is getting crucified by the hoard of Sora and KH fans, and me because that means no KH music and that is truly criminal over Super Mario RPG music.

Forget Geno being a popular character for Smash, his fan base is feeble compared to Kingdom Hearts and Sora supporters. Plus, Geno is a MARIO character, treating him as a guest is not a going to send a good message to a lot of people.

Let’s just have BOTH, DLC or Base.

If Sakurai ever made that statement, Geno would be one of the most controversial/hated characters, and that’s not good for Geno fans.

If this was true, I feel like Sora fans would've had this reaction to Cloud too.
But, as far as I'm aware, *most* people like him.

Spoiler

Until they actually fight against a Cloud player in Smash 4.

 

[GunBlaze]

I see a lot of people wanting Crash Bandicoot and my co-worker had been praising the N. Sane Trilogy, so I figured I'd pick it up.

I don't think I've ever hated a game more than this. I don't understand how a game that relies so heavily on essentially pixel perfect platforming can have such awful controls, or why anyone would think it was a good idea to allow movement to the back and front during sidescrolling sections. What made this game popular?

You playing after updating?

 

[papagenos]

Oh no,

If Geno got in because he was chosen over Sora, SORA, a character that represents one of the biggest crossover franchises, Geno is getting crucified by the hoard of Sora and KH fans, and me because that means no KH music and that is truly criminal over Super Mario RPG music.

Forget Geno being a popular character for Smash, his fan base is feeble compared to Kingdom Hearts and Sora supporters. Plus, Geno is a MARIO character, treating him as a guest is not a going to send a good message to a lot of people.

Let’s just have BOTH, DLC or Base.

If Sakurai ever made that statement, Geno would be one of the most controversial/hated characters, and that’s not good for Geno fans.

yeah i really dont want geno/Sora compeating against each other. i dont see it that way anyways, sora has the disney "issue" that might make him tough to pull off and Geno is sort of a mario series character sort of a square third party rep so its a slightly different "spot" they'd both be going for. i'd be cool with both haha

 

[PLATINUM7]

I see a lot of people wanting Crash Bandicoot and my co-worker had been praising the N. Sane Trilogy, so I figured I'd pick it up.

I don't think I've ever hated a game more than this. I don't understand how a game that relies so heavily on essentially pixel perfect platforming can have such awful controls, or why anyone would think it was a good idea to allow movement to the back and front during sidescrolling sections. What made this game popular?

Because it doesn't rely on pixel perfect platforming and the controls are good for a 3D platofrmer designed for use with a d-pad. Yeah you can use the analogue stick for all 3 now but nothing beats using a d-pad for them. Also allowing four directional movement in sidescrolling sections allows for more varied level design and the ability to perform tricky jumps around things.

The games became popular because they generally have good level design (some of the stuff required to 100% the games certainly aren't but ignoring them the levels usually have a great rhythm to them), they have a lot of personality from the major characters to minor enemies and the games are endearingly simple but yet developed enough to have held up and still be enjoyable to play today.

 

[Shadowwolflink]

You playing after updating?

Is there an update that fixes something?

 

[RandomAce]

yeah i really dont want geno/Sora compeating against each other. i dont see it that way anyways, sora has the disney "issue" that might make him tough to pull of and Geno is sort of a mario series character sort of a square third party rep so its a slightly different "spot" they'd both be going for. i'd be cool with both haha

I agree, I really don’t think Geno is competing against Sora because Geno isn’t really a second Square Enix character and more of a Mario character (Geno will most likely be grouped with the Mario characters and have a Mushroom Emblem).

I think both will get in because they both have had immense support during the ballot, and I don’t think the whole Disney “issue” is a problem because it seems that Disney and Nomura are fine with Sora in Smash, it’s just that licensing with both SE and Disney is going to take longer in order for the rights to be available.

 

[Bowserlick]

Nintendo could make their own Sora (Captain N) that goes on an rpg adventure through Nintendo worlds.

 

[Will]

Nintendo could make their own Sora (Captain N) that goes on an rpg adventure through Nintendo worlds.

Yeah I forget the Miis too sometimes.

 

[Shadowwolflink]

I agree, I really don’t think Geno is competing against Sora because Geno isn’t really a second Square Enix character and more of a Mario character (Geno will most likely be grouped with the Mario characters and have a Mushroom Emblem).

I think both will get in because they both have had immense support during the ballot, and I don’t think the whole Disney “issue” is a problem because it seems that Disney and Nomura are fine with Sora in Smash, it’s just that licensing with both SE and Disney is going to take longer in order for the rights to be available.

I'm not one of those people who thinks Sora has zero chance of getting in, but I also don't think his chances are sky high either. I'd probably put him around 20%.

 

[RandomAce]

Man I freaking love KH but wouldn't bat an eye if Geno got in and Sora didn't. There's also probably a lot of KH fans who don't even know who Geno is and wouldn't realise the connection to Square Enix.

Also we get any Yoko Shimomura music we basically get KH music in. It's all similar sounding tbh.

I’m going to disagree a bit because even if some people find out about the connection it’s really just rubbing salt over the wound since Geno was still “chosen” over Sora due to personal preferences as an important factor.

It’ll begin a whole Sakurai bias controversy.

Nintendo could make their own Sora (Captain N) that goes on an rpg adventure through Nintendo worlds.

Smash OC?

I'm not one of those people who thinks Sora has zero chance of getting in, but I also don't think his chances are sky high either. I'd probably put him around 20%.

I think he’s more likely as DLC, tbh. It’ll make it easier for them to share off the profits with Disney and SE than having him in the base roster.

Finger crossed that Sora gets revealed and released fairly soon if DLC is confirmed to be a thing after the game releases!

 

[GunBlaze]

Is there an update that fixes something?

Fixes controls, fixes loading times. fixes... pretty much everything.

Even added a box that wasn't there before in one of the levels so that the total count is accurate to the original game. You could still obtain the gem before, however.

 

[Bowserlick]

Yeah I forget the Miis too sometimes.

But you have never forgotten Captain N.

 

[Shadowwolflink]

Fixes controls, fixes loading times. fixes... pretty much everything.

Even added a box that wasn't there before in one of the levels so that the total count is accurate to the original game. You could still obtain the gem before, however.

When was the update on Switch?

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Oh damn I never expected a high energy Snake Eater remix to sound good. I should pick the game up again soon

 

[PLATINUM7]

I’m going to disagree a bit because even if some people find out about the connection it’s really just rubbing salt over the wound since Geno was still “chosen” over Sora due to personal preferences as an important factor.

It’ll begin a whole Sakurai bias controversy.


Smash OC?


I think he’s more likely as DLC, tbh. It’ll make it easier for them to share off the profits with Disney and SE.

There's no real Sakurai bias controversy to spawn from it. It would just be another case of people complaining that X didn't get in and looking for the most logical Y that did get in to try and build an argument and vent their annoyance.

Anyone who actually spouts the phrase Sakurai bias when a character gets in is just blind to their own biases and ignorant of the fact we all have our own preferences. People who get upset that Sakurai's prefences don't align with their own need to grow up.

 

[Wambo]

Oh damn I never expected a high energy Snake Eater remix to sound good. I should pick the game up again soon

If you do, make sure you pick up the version where you can adjust the third-person camera angles. Believe me, it makes the game SOOO much better.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

If you do, make sure you pick up the version where you can adjust the third-person camera angles. Believe me, it makes the game SOOO much better.

Oh I already have the Resurgence version, I meant that I should start playing as I turned it off a week for obvious reasons, though I haven't had time to turn my ps3 on again

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

Oh I already have the Resurgence version, I meant that I should start playing as I turned it off a week for obvious reasons, though I haven't had time to turn my ps3 on again

Not to be a picky asshole or anything but I think you mean Subsistence Version. Sorry. My Metal Gear Fanboy is showing...

 

[RandomAce]

There's no real Sakurai bias controversy to spawn from it. It would just be another case of people complaining that X didn't get in and looking for the most logical Y that did get in to try and build an argument and vent their annoyance.

Anyone who actually spouts the phrase Sakurai bias when a character gets in is just blind to their own biases and ignorant of the fact we all have our own preferences. People who get upset that Sakurai's prefences don't align with their own need to grow up.

Well sort of.

It’s just that Geno being wanted by Sakurai and the fans is what makes Geno incredibly likely.

We’re going by the hypothetical situation where Sakurai said he was given a choice where he had to pick between Sora and Geno and he picked Geno, when both characters were clearly heavily supported by fans, it would be pretty outrageous that Geno got in because Sakurai’s preferences were the tipping point even though Sora is much more of an icon than him and with just as much support.

In the hypothetical situation when Sakurai says this, if Sakurai meant that he isn’t going to add Sora afterwards, then I can see why people would complain, I would be mad too.

But, really I don’t think Sakurai would really do that, and I could see him attempting to add both to please as much fans since Sora was and still is a very popular request. Heck, even the recent poll from Japan have people want/think Sora is likley to get added.

Really having Geno and Sora would make this Smash the ultimate smash for a lot of people, myself included.

 

[Houndstooth]

I just don't understand why some of us take such offense to characters having a chance to get into this game. I don't see any characters that would keep me from enjoying this game.* All of my old favorites are back, from Mario, Sonic, the Pokemon Trainer, and more. Am I a big WariorWare or Donkey Kong fan? Nope. But I have seen so many passionate Ashley and K. Rool fans on here that I want to see them included. I just don't see any characters that I would be "personally disappointed" in receiving. I guess that's just me, though. If Geno were able to get in, then I feel like any character from a Nintendo game would have a chance. Characters like Crono, Wart, and other one offs would actually have a reason to support their characters. Maybe it's just a romantic idea that "anyone can get into Smash!" But man, I do like that idea.

Also, "not understanding the hype" and "disliking a character" are two different things. Some in here have made great points about Geno not being a character they enjoy. I disagree, but their reasoning is sound. Some do like Mallow more. I love Mallow. Especially how personal his story was in SMRPG. But Geno is more important to the plot. He's the Star Warrior sent to aid Mario. He's the one trying to help repair the road. He's the one trying to gather the stars. To say he is less important to the plot isn't really correct. Maybe you didn't enjoy how he was implemented into the plot, but his story is much more important to overall plot than Mallow's side(but more personal and intimate) story. Here's for Mallow to show up in the Final Smash or as an Assist Trophy!

Want to speak on Kingdom Hearts for a second as well. I love Kingdom Hearts. I think Sora has some interesting challenges, namely Disney, to figure out. But Sora has become a gaming icon for a lot of younger fans. Same reason that I think something like Minecraft makes sense for Smash. Not a fan of Minecraft, but I've never really played it. It was targeted at a younger audience than me. But for some gamers, that was their first game. It'll actually be nostalgic for them.

Anyways, didn't meant to talk this much. It just bothers me to see people disliking other characters "just because." Like, if the arguments were "spots are slim" or something to that effect, then I understand. But not wanting a game, after getting your favorites in, just because a character you don't believe deserves it is kind of a bummer...

*Any character from a video game. I love Goku, but I think we need to keep "originated from a video game."

 

[RandomAce]

Umm...

The discussion has died down a bit, so let’s do a recap.

Today we discussed:
- Geno’s own merits
- Hypothetical Situation of Sora/Geno
- Potential EVO character reveal

Announcements:
- Super Smash Bros. Ultimate is playable at EVO

Pretty slow day tbh. Anyways good night everyone!

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Not to be a picky ******* or anything but I think you mean Subsistence Version. Sorry. My Metal Gear Fanboy is showing...

****, I KNEW I got the name wrong but was too lazy too look it up

 

[Roberk]

Is Bandai Namco still helping co-develop this Smash? If so, are we sleeping on a Soul Caliber rep? Soul Calibur VI (which is developed and published by Bandai Namco) is coming out this year, would that coincide with a surprise character reveal for Smash/early DLC? This but also with Monster Hunter Generations Ultimate coming to the Switch later this year.

Being co-developers of the game Bandai Namco might be able to lend earlier access to reps from these games compared to the usual reps from pre-2016 we have to speculate. Also, getting character designs early might not even be a problem, as a Monster Hunter rep would be a generic character and most Soul Calibur reps would already exist/be easy to pull from before Sakurai's project plan as it's a long-running series of recurring characters. Licensing the promotion writes itself with Bandai Namco's existing relationship with Smash.

Basically, these games coming out so close to Smash wouldn't be a hindrance with "they wouldn't fit in the project plan even if Sakurai got the designs early", it's a matter of "these games are convenient to promote". It's not like a new FE/Xenoblade/Pokemon with new characters to promote, it's just a new game to promote using preexisting designs and characters.

(I don't know much about these franchises but we should consider everything, especially stuff from a developer/publisher that is suspected to co-develop Ultimate)

 

[splat]

Not to be a picky ******* or anything but I think you mean Subsistence Version. Sorry. My Metal Gear Fanboy is showing...

Resurgence and Sustinence Versions? When have gone the days versions when versions were simply called Red and Blue?

Pretty slow day tbh. Anyways good night everyone!

What do you mean, the day just started!

 

[Idon]

Is Bandai Namco still helping co-develop this Smash? If so, are we sleeping on a Soul Caliber rep? Soul Calibur VI (which is developed and published by Bandai Namco) is coming out this year, would that coincide with a surprise character reveal for Smash/early DLC? This but also with Monster Hunter Generations Ultimate coming to the Switch later this year.

Being co-developers of the game Bandai Namco might be able to lend earlier access to reps from these games compared to the usual reps from pre-2016 we have to speculate. Also, getting character designs early might not even be a problem, as a Monster Hunter rep would be a generic character and most Soul Calibur reps would already exist/be easy to pull from before Sakurai's project plan as it's a long-running series of recurring characters. Licensing the promotion writes itself with Bandai Namco's existing relationship with Smash.

Basically, these games coming out so close to Smash wouldn't be a hindrance with "they wouldn't fit in the project plan even if Sakurai got the designs early", it's a matter of "these games are convenient to promote". It's not like a new FE/Xenoblade/Pokemon with new characters to promote, it's just a new game to promote using preexisting designs and characters.

(I don't know much about these franchises but we should consider everything, especially stuff from a developer/publisher that is suspected to co-develop Ultimate)

Yeah they're still lending a hand.

I could definitely see Nightmare happening, but honestly, I'm pretty skeptical of most newcomers with the small amount of time we have left and the lack of newcomers shown at E3. It's put quite a damper on speculation when I have to think "But would Sakurai really put this character in over someone more popular."