Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Zerp]

Just noticed something on Luigi's page:

His "L" on his cap is still green in his Waluigi alt.

That's because Waluigi was going to get in but then Luigi exterminated him and made a fake version of him a assist trophy. That hat on Luigi is the real Waluigi's, he took it and plastered his L on it as a sign of his ultimate victory, it's why Wario is fighting Luigi, he's avenging Waluigi, it's definitely the most emotional fight of the story mode.

 

[SquashiniKun]

https://nintendowire.com/news/2018/07/11/nintendo-filming-something-in-universal-citywalk/

I wonder what they're shooting there? Anybody wanna guess?

 

[Deleted member]

https://nintendowire.com/news/2018/07/11/nintendo-filming-something-in-universal-citywalk/

I wonder what their shooting there? Anybody wanna guess?

Not something Smash related. Not everything Nintendo does has to do with Smash.

 

[Zeox]

https://nintendowire.com/news/2018/07/11/nintendo-filming-something-in-universal-citywalk/

I wonder what their shooting there? Anybody wanna guess?

probably the super mario movie they said they were gonna make.

 

[Opossum]

https://nintendowire.com/news/2018/07/11/nintendo-filming-something-in-universal-citywalk/

I wonder what their shooting there? Anybody wanna guess?

Definitely just something for Universal's upcoming Nintendo land.

 

[Cosmic77]

There's always gonna be new fire emblem characters, xenoblade characters, pokemon characters. And as Mario, Zelda, Metroid, Kirby etc get new games they'll have new characters to go along with them. I don't think sakurai should hold back for the sake of saving characters for future instalments that may not even happen

Aside from maybe Pokemon, would people freak out as much over a new FE or Xenoblade character than they would with Ridley or K. Rool? Probably not.

There's a difference between adding a character because it's relevant and adding a character because it extremely popular. If we exhaust all of our popular characters at once, then the fanbase won't be as involved as it was with the previous game. Why? Because they've already got all of the characters they truly cared about.

And as for other popular franchises getting new characters, that's not a guarantee. Sakurai shouldn't automatically assume that franchises will have new popular characters to choose from by the time a new Smash game starts development. The last major recurring Mario character to get added to the series was Rosalina, and that was over ten years ago. Two Smash games later and we still don't have anyone new.

 

[osby]

https://nintendowire.com/news/2018/07/11/nintendo-filming-something-in-universal-citywalk/

I wonder what their shooting there? Anybody wanna guess?

A live action/CGI Pikmin movie. Olimar is played by Mark Ruffalo.

 

[Opossum]

A live action/CGI Pikmin movie. Olimar is played by Mark Ruffalo.

Finally, Reggie's "I feel like a purple Pikmin" comment has come to fruition.

 

[KMDP]

https://nintendowire.com/news/2018/07/11/nintendo-filming-something-in-universal-citywalk/

I wonder what they're shooting there? Anybody wanna guess?

Nintendo are starting a new "Nintendo Cinematic Universe".

Phase 1 will start with the first movie: Donkey Kong, the titular Antagonist is played by Andy Serkis.

Spoiler: Phase 1

Punch-Out
Mario Bros.
Donkey Kong II: Donkey Kong Jr.
The Legend of Zelda
Metroid
Donkey Kong III: A World-Spanning Kidnapping.
Kid Icarus
Super Mario Bros.
Fire Emblem: Shadow Dragon and the Sword of Light
Mother
Star Fox
The Legend of Zelda II: Triforce of the Gods
Kirby of the Stars
Mother II: The War Against Giygas
F-Zero
Pokémon
Donkey Kong IV: Donkey Kong Country
The Legend of Zelda III: Ocarina of Time
Super Mario Bros. II: Super Mario World.
The final film of Phase 1 is Super Smash Bros.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

This is a neat visual comparison.

 

[Phaazoid]

I've been away for a while. What do we think is being announced Monday with the Tennis thing?

 

[TMNTSSB4]

The last major recurring Mario character to get added to the series was Rosalina, and that was over ten years ago. Two Smash games later and we still don't have anyone new.

Wouldn't Bowser Jr technically be the last major Mario character to join Smash (though of course I can tell you’re basing this on Mario game debut, but Smash wise...junior)?...

...then Captain Toad

 

[papagenos]

And this is why I think we need those relevant but not highly requested characters to flesh out the roster. If we add Ridley, K. Rool, Geno, Waluigi, Bandana Dee and every other popular character in Ultimate, who else would there be to add for Smash 6? Nintendo can't create new successful franchises like Splatoon at the same rate Smash games are being produced, and the number of older characters is dwindling fast. The hype for characters will continue to decrease unless Sakurai purposely saves a few for future installments.

Three things on that note:

first off we didnt get Waluigi, very similarly we MIGHT not get toad/captain toad (sort of deconfirmed but tentative as "captain" toad is still possible, im still holding out some hope) who are both popular characters for smash. I could certainly see us getting K Rool and not Dixie or the other way around. ARMS is newer and popular so is xenoblade2 so there are newer franchises to pull from if those dont become DLC characters this time around, pokemon always has fresh faces as well, so i think this is underestimating how many "newer" characters nintendo could pull from. theres also plenty of characters that are requested and sorta becoming almost like retro reps for future smash games because they missed the mark when their games were prominent and theres other characters that have been requested for a while who simply became assist trophies or something else who could be upgraded (isaac/krystal/chibi robo those type of requests) so theres still characters there to pull from though besides isaac most have less of a fan demand these days admittedly. Third party characters are always very hype and that leaves plenty of "hype" characters left. So I think although we might get some heavily fan requested characters this time (K Rool/Ashley/Waddle Dee/Geno etc...) it doesnt leave smash completely empty of other worthy and fan requested fighters to do that, and to purposely hold back the highly requested characters for smash ULTIMATE, especially after having a fan ballot, seems foolish to me.

2nd This is smash ULTIMATE and I honestly believe we may not get a smash next time that just adds more characters/stages etc... the next smash is likely to be very very different after this ones roster (with DLC) lands us at a very high number of fighters. this might honestly be the last one, next time it might be smash racing OR nintendos next new hypothetical virtual reality console has like half the roster of old smash games but its VR or some other unforeseeable future technology that justifies changing smash completely and cutting the roster down.

3rd IF we do just get another traditional smash game after ultimate (which even then i think will be a long ways off) its likely the "everyone is here" returning all vets to smash becomes the new standard going forward, and thus I wouldn't expect a ton of characters being added each iteration... so having say waluigi/captain toad/cranky kong/two third parties/new pokemon/new IP/upgraded assist trophy character... might be around enough... add in a little less expected character plus an echo or two, you could have a good roster. The biggest hype might not be from nintendo that next time. might be banjo kazooie crash or sora or something as that games "ridley", but i'd say megaman was the huge hype reveal for smash 4 so not totally outside of whats expected for the "hype" to come from a third party character.

basically I just think theres enough good reasons to treat this game as the "ultimate" final smash game while not worrying about what the next smash could have, theres always going to be plenty of hype characters left.

 

[Guh-Huzzah!]

https://nintendowire.com/news/2018/07/11/nintendo-filming-something-in-universal-citywalk/

I wonder what they're shooting there? Anybody wanna guess?

I have insider info that they're shooting Danny Devito's reveal trailer for smash.
Actually...that just gave me an idea...

 

[NintenZ]

Since Illumination is making the Super Mario movie...

Gru confirmed for Smash Bros anyone?

 

[Untouch]

Likely promo for the nintendo world themepark.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Since Illumination is making the Super Mario movie...

Gru confirmed for Smash Bros anyone?

eye twitch

W-well, at least it’s not Minions >_>

 

[Guh-Huzzah!]

Man I'm digging Wario's new alt. (I made this myself and I'm not sure if I'm proud or sad.)
TKOWL I figure you might like this xD

 

[BluePikmin11]

I have this sudden gut feeling today that Phoenix Wright will be an Assist Trophy, in the same vein as Bomberman. I am not sure why I strongly feel this way, but I think it is probably the best outcome for possible Ace Attorney content in Smash.

 

[NintenZ]

eye twitch

W-well, at least it’s not Minions >_>

I even have his tag line: Gru Makes His Big Debut!!

But yeah he’s better than the Minions (Or the Rabbids for that matter)

 

[SonicMario]

Regarding the saving characters for the next Smash talk from earlier. We have no idea what the next Smash will be like. It could very well be a reboot that at least halves the roster we have now at least base game wise. So it could very well be the last chance for some potential newcomers for a long time or even for some of the returning veterans that may not have much of a future. The focus of this game really feels like some sort of pinnacle Sakurai is reaching with returning every character from the past games plus some fan favorite requests that whether or not Sakurai is still there for whenever the next Smash comes may likely never be able to repeat the same feat.

So not trying to put some doom and gloom on this speculation period, but for many characters it could be their last shot with a roster being this huge. And while we likely won't have to worry about it until a long time from now, the next Smash will be full of uncertainty. We cannot say for certain that a character may be saved for the next one this time around.

I know it feels way, way, waaaaaaay too early to talk about the next Smash after Ultimate. But I do get the feeling Ultimate is this big bubble where every past character comes back for at least one last hurrah, before the next Smash pops it just because going beyond Ultimate's size would be very unsustainable.

 

[blackghost]

Nintendo are starting a new "Nintendo Cinematic Universe".

Phase 1 will start with the first movie: Donkey Kong, the titular Antagonist is played by Andy Serkis.

Spoiler: Phase 1

Punch-Out
Mario Bros.
Donkey Kong II: Donkey Kong Jr.
The Legend of Zelda
Metroid
Donkey Kong III: A World-Spanning Kidnapping.
Kid Icarus
Super Mario Bros.
Fire Emblem: Shadow Dragon and the Sword of Light
Mother
Star Fox
The Legend of Zelda II: Triforce of the Gods
Kirby of the Stars
Mother II: The War Against Giygas
F-Zero
Pokémon
Donkey Kong IV: Donkey Kong Country
The Legend of Zelda III: Ocarina of Time
Super Mario Bros. II: Super Mario World.
The final film of Phase 1 is Super Smash Bros.

I would rather get a fire emblem HBO series.

 

[SquashiniKun]

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I have insider info that they're shooting Danny Devito's reveal trailer for smash.
Actually...that just gave me an idea...

He's gonna be an downloadable voice pack for Pikachu.

 

[KMDP]

I have this sudden gut feeling today that Phoenix Wright will be an Assist Trophy, in the same vein as Bomberman. I am not sure why I strongly feel this way, but I think it is probably the best outcome for possible Ace Attorney content in Smash.

I wouldn't mind Nick as an Assist Trophy, I mean, he can be playable (as MvC3 has proven), but there's so much competition.

 

[osby]

Nintendo are starting a new "Nintendo Cinematic Universe".

Phase 1 will start with the first movie: Donkey Kong, the titular Antagonist is played by Andy Serkis.

Spoiler: Phase 1

Punch-Out
Mario Bros.
Donkey Kong II: Donkey Kong Jr.
The Legend of Zelda
Metroid
Donkey Kong III: A World-Spanning Kidnapping.
Kid Icarus
Super Mario Bros.
Fire Emblem: Shadow Dragon and the Sword of Light
Mother
Star Fox
The Legend of Zelda II: Triforce of the Gods
Kirby of the Stars
Mother II: The War Against Giygas
F-Zero
Pokémon
Donkey Kong IV: Donkey Kong Country
The Legend of Zelda III: Ocarina of Time
Super Mario Bros. II: Super Mario World.
The final film of Phase 1 is Super Smash Bros.

...maybe you should make this a thread.

Where is my Dr. Mario hospital drama?

 

[KMDP]

...maybe you should make this a thread.

Where is my Dr. Mario hospital drama?

Hmm... you may be on to something. XD

I would rather get a fire emblem HBO series.

Get the best of both worlds, the Fire Emblem Movie is the pilot 'episode' for the TV Show, which begins after the movie leaves theaters.

 

[SlickWylde]

I've been away for a while. What do we think is being announced Monday with the Tennis thing?

Nothing, most likely.

 

[92MilesPrower]

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Man I'm digging Wario's new alt. (I made this myself and I'm not sure if I'm proud or sad.)
TKOWL I figure you might like this xD

Final Smash with this alt has him eat Garbage instead of Garlic and become the Trash Man:

 

[Fenriraga]

I've been away for a while

But I'm back to kick some butt at Wild Canyon

As for the "announcement", the consensus is that we aren't getting one. People are just injecting false hope.

I do hope we get something this month, at least.

 

[Guh-Huzzah!]

Final Smash with this alt has him eat Garbage instead of Garlic and become the Trash Man:

Just yes. Just...yes

 

[Hidan]

Round 3~

Who would you like to see next?

Still catching up on the thread, but if you could do Spyro (his design from reignited) I'd be over the moon <3

 

[NintenZ]

I legitimately feel Yu Narukami is a legitimate possibility, Persona 4 is one of the most popular JRPGs of all time, and for a game so prolific it would actually make a lot of sense for his inclusion, especially since we already have multiple characters already from SEGA (Although Arle is still best pick I admit), for his moveset he could use his moves from the Arena series, and I imagine the use of a Persona would make him very unique.

 

[Murlough]

Sakurai can't keep adding and adding third-parties to Smash without costs and complications completely overwhelming him. We already have five companies involved in Smash. Imagine how difficult it would be to juggle seven or eight companies with over 15 third-party characters.

Third-parties might save Sakurai from worrying about one or two spots on the roster, but he could never depend on them the same way he could with Nintendo characters. If he wants to flesh out the roster, he'll have to work with what he's got.



Will we though? Most of the iconic Nintendo franchises stick with the same core cast in every game. Can we safely say that we'll have plenty of newcomers to choose from if we add all of the popular characters at once? And as for new IPs, Nintendo usually creates about one or two new successful IPs with every new console. Can we safely say we'll get enough new IPs to fill up ten or more spots on the roster?

I can understand why Sakurai would want to be conservative, especially after making Brawl's roster. Most of the iconic A-list characters are already in Smash, and a majority of the options we have left would be considered bottom of the barrel in comparison. Instead of wasting everything at once, I think it would be wise to put a small limititation on how many highly requested characters get into one Smash game.

I didn't say anything about keeping all the third parties forever. I was responding to the "Nintendo can't pump out new franchises fast enough" comment.

They don't have to worry about it so much when there will always be third parties to consider.

I'd imagine the series will do some serious "Spring cleaning" with the roster next game. We aren't ever going back to just twelve though.

 

[92MilesPrower]

Tomorrow's preview:

Snake: What's so special about her that she gets to bring pistols and I'm just stuck with explosives and CQC?

Next up:

 

[osby]

I legitimately feel Yu Narukami is a legitimate possibility, Persona 4 is one of the most popular JRPGs of all time, and for a game so prolific it would actually make a lot of sense for his inclusion, especially since we already have multiple characters already from SEGA (Although Arle is still best pick I admit), for his moveset he could use his moves from the Arena series, and I imagine the use of a Persona would make him very unique.

Joker might make more sense. He's recent, his game sold more and he uses a more unique weapon. Though any Persona character would make me scream in joy.

Tomorrow's preview:

Snake: What's so special about her that she gets to bring pistols and I'm just stuck with explosives and CQC?

Next up:

Poor Snake, stuck with mines, grenades and missiles.

Hint: Use weapons you can't buy in stores.

 

[ToddCam]

"But if we keep adding more popular characters to Super Smash Bros., it would later end up eating up the contents itself, and lessen everyone’s surprises. If we were to have 100 fighters in a Super Smash Bros. game and then added the 101st fighter to it, I don’t think it would ever generate as much hype as now. That’s why I think this is the best time to draw the line". - Sakurai on DLC

Source? I actually can't imagine (translated) Sakurai saying anything about generating hype. It's English slang. Excitement, enthusiasm, sure, but hype?

 

[Prometheus16]

Man, it’s been a while since I was on this sight.
But maaaan am I glad that Snake is coming back.

 

[Noipoi]

Illumination making a Mario movie?

How bad could it possibly be?

How ba-a-a-ad can it be?

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

On the topic of saving characters for the next game...When are we getting another Smash?

Not only is this the second year of a, no pun-intended, "Smash hit" console, but this game is based on packing in as much content as possible. It's being designed with longevity in mind considering the focus on solid, competitively viable gameplay. There are more Assist Trophies than ever. Every character in the series is back. A lot of stages are returning when they hadn't before.

In addition, this is the 2nd (technically 3rd) straight Smash game that Sakurai has worked on without being on another project. That's if you count Wii U and 3DS as two separate games.

Now, I can't say this with total certainty but it seems to me that this game is meant for the long haul. This isn't really meant to be replaced with a true successor for some time. Unless, of course, they're just going to try and reboot Smash (bad idea in my humble opinion).

If the Switch, as a console, has a healthy lifespan, we're not going to see a new Smash for a loooooooong time. It will be at least until there's a new version or successor to the Switch. In between this Smash and the next, we could absolutely see ARMS 2 + 3, a few more new IP, another Xenoblade, another Generation or two of Pokemon, etc... There is plenty that would happen in between this Smash and the next.

Are they going to add literally every character that makes sense to be added right now? Eh, I'd be surprised if that happened. However, make no mistake, I cannot see how DLC wouldn't be implemented for this game in the form of Spring Man at the very least. In terms of "series representation" in the forms of the characters themselves, DLC will be the perfect way to tie up any loose ends that characters in between the project plan and now are a part of.

After that, when we have newer games or newer series, reserve those characters for the next Smash. It is clear that Ultimate is meant to be a focus for Nintendo for an extended period of time after release. I wouldn't even be surprised to see a yearly Invitational at E3 considering the emphasis they not only placed on the event itself, but the coverage of competitive techniques in the Direct as well as some of the gameplay footage from the Treehouse.

To close, any remaining characters after this game are simply not going to stack up to any veteran. Ridley definitely got a pop out of fans with his reveal, but the true cheers in a ton of reaction videos (such as the one in NYC) came from the returning veterans like Ice Climbers, Pokemon Trainer, and Snake. There's a value and focus on veterans and Smash history. Because of this, I personally feel Smash is going to be on an extended hiatus. Yes, it's a money maker and it might not make complete sense to not release a new Smash, but this is the biggest one yet and for good reason.

This game will continue to make Smash history in a big way. They're very likely going to go all out, or at least "as all-out as they can".

That's my humble opinion anyway.

 

[KMDP]

But I'm back to kick some butt at Wild Canyon

As for the "announcement", the consensus is that we aren't getting one. People are just injecting false hope.

I do hope we get something this month, at least.

Until we hear (well, read) "We are having an annoucement at [time:date], stay tuned!" directly from Nintendo, we shouldn't expect anything.