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Now you gotta explain this. If it's the Master Sword NLF I'll die my dude.
Basically, Ganondorf has access to an unlimited supply of power and can only be damaged by specific holy weaponry. Also, depending on your interpretation of events, he reincarnates after each and every defeat, so it's only ever a matter of time until Ganondorf is victorious.
Shouldn’t Zeraora not having the aura mechanic allow it to be a Lucario echo?

I mean it’s a small change that can seperate him from his counterpart.
Yes, and my original draft accounted for that. However, I'm sure that some people are sticklers for identical mechanics, so I wanted to mention that possibility in my post.
 
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Basically, Ganondorf has access to an unlimited supply of power and can only be damaged by specific holy weaponry. Also, depending on your interpretation of events, he reincarnates after each and every defeat, so it's only ever a matter of time until Ganondorf is victorious.

Yes, and my original draft accounted for that. However, I'm sure that some people are sticklers for identical mechanics, so I wanted to mention that possibility in my post.
Dying repeatedly is not a sound battle strategy. Just ask Diavolo.
 
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JULY(Nintendo Direct):
-King K Rool
-Simon Belmont

AUGUST(Smash Ultimate Website):
-Dixie Kong

SEPTEMBER(Surprise Announcement):
-Shovel Knight

OCTOBER(Mini Direct):
-Bandana Waddle Dee
-Decidueye

NOVEMBER(Smash Ultimate Direct):
-Rayman
-Chibi-Robo

DECEMBER(Post-Game Release Trailers):
-Geno
-Spring Man

DLCs:
-Waluigi
-Crash Bandicoot
-Banjo-Kazooie
-Paper Mario
-Phoenix Wright
-Chorus Kids
Oh my god, I'd love it if this one was real.
I mean, the lack of Isaac is somewhat disappointing but not only does it have almost every other character I want (DECIDUEYE, Bandana Dee, Shovel Knight, K. Rool, Crash, Rayman... oh, and Waluigi), but it also says that my top 2 newcomers will be revealed at the same time which would blow me away.
That said, it's definitely fake.
Please stop rubbing salt in the wound, 4chan. It's time to let the S. S. Waluigi sink into the bottom of the ocean. :(
 
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It's the leak signal! You know what that means...

That's right, I'm back with another set for ya'll. Spoilers: there's bonus leak this time.
Since the leak is being accepted as fake, no one is worried about it here. I figured it was safe to reveal their identities.

You guys got a lot of these right, I'm impressed.

King is King K Rool. Ponytail is Dixie Kong. Dixie Kong is an echo character. You can expect their official announcement 7/15.

Old man is Mishima. Harada is the one who posited the idea to Sakurai.

Archer is Decidueye. Most speculation I saw agreed on this.

Warrior & Secretary refer to Charlie and Brittany from Pikmin 3. Charlie uses Rock Pikmin.

Mech is Kirby in his suit from Planet Robobot. He will be shown as a Dream Friend in Star Allies and then shown in Smash. The announcement is VERY strange.

The last characters are all from games that will soon release on the Switch. The first two games have been announced.
Rhythm is Neku from The World Ends With You. Folklore is Amaterasu from Okami HD.

Doll is Geno from Mario RPG.
This game will not be a remake, but a spiritual successor of sorts. Similar to the way a Link Between Worlds and A Link to the Past are related.

Prime Rib is Ninten from Mother.
Retro Studios is working on this title, actually. Check out their twitter.

Related to this widely reported 4chan "leak". Weird roster, but Neku in Smash Bros? That's my new main right there.
>[3DS Headlines]
Nintendo Direct August 5th
>Skyrim and Super Mario 3D World for 3DS
>More details for Luigi's Mansion Remake and Mario & Luigi Remake
>Wario Ware Gold Amiibo
>[Switch Headlines]
>Super Mario Odyssey DLC pack for November 2018 and DLC pack 2 for 2019
>Zelda: Breath of The Wild GOTY edition
>Simon Belmont and Rex trailer for Super Smash Bros: Ultimate
>Prey for november 2018 and Fallout 76 for 2019
>A Hat In a Time and Nuclear Throne in the nindies section
>Wonderful 101 and Xenoblade Chronicles X ports for 2019
>Yoshi Pop Star trailer and launch march 19th
>Kirby Star Allies Heroes
>Pokemon Let's go Pikachu/Eevee has amiibo
>Not Animal Crossing, no StarFox, no Pokemon 2019 and no Metroid Prime 4

In line with what you'd expect for a Nintendo Direct leak. A believable enough fall and beyond lineup for Nintendo. Overall, it's safe. It's got a kill switch, so we'll see with this one.
So I got the Smash Leaks for ya. I am an intern who works closely with Bill Trien, I'm helping with the translations. So here's the inside scoop for my fellow Anons

First off, Sakurai insisted on a new rule that no playable characters have a tint that makes them too closely resemble another playable character.

Fox, Ike, Samus, Mario, Diddy Kong, and Lucas have had tints replaced for this reason

Fox and Mario had their Wolf and Wario alts replaced with an all purple Fox and Builder Mario for this reason. Big whoop. Here's where it gets interesting.

Chrom, Dark Samus, Masked Man, and Dixie Kong will be joining the roster

Chrom and Dark Samus are straight echos

Masked Man and Dixie are something to be revealed called a "Frankenstein", of which Masked Man will be the poster child of. Basically it's two characters mashed together

Dixie Kong is a Frankenstein of Donkey Kong and Diddy Kong, her Up-B and Down B are Donkey Kong's, but her Side-B and B are Diddy Kong's, with many of her A animations split between the two (though it more closely resembles Diddy Kong)

Masked Man is a Frankenstein of Toon Link (for A moves), Lucas (for B moves), though he has PK Flash instead of PK Freeze. He has "Helmetless" as an Alt, which is why Lucas lost his Claus skin, but kept his Masked Man inspired skin.

There are VERY FEW characters with unique movesets, but the Echos and Frankensteins make up for them. Few surprises here, with most of the uniques being from the poll.

Some of the DLC is half-done and there are extensive plans from upper management to make Smash last "Longer than the switch itself if possible"

Most of the early DLC will be new third parties for whom negotiation did not finish in time. You got K.Rool for this reason, so be happy.

DLC Wave 1 will include
Waluigi (Requested by Reggie, Mario and Luigi will lose their Waluigi alts in a patch)
Simon Belmont
Banjo Kazooie
Shantae

Stages
Isle Delfino
Diddy Kong Racing (a reskinned Isle Delfino)
Paper Jam (a sequel to the Paper Mario stage, has Mario and Luigi Content)
Poke Floats
Fountain Of Dreams


Uniques
Inkling
Ridley
Geno
Sceptile (did well on the poll)
Mimikyu
Isaac
King K.Rool
Waddle Dee
Ashley
Foreman Spike

Echos
Ninten (In memory of Iwata, who worked on Mother 1)
Chrom
Dark Samus
Isabelle (Digby as an alt)
Captain Toad (Heavier Waddle Dee)
Black Shadow (Melee Ganondorf)
9-Volt (Game and Watch)

Frankensteins
Tiki (Of Corrin and Zelda)
Masked Man
Leon (Wolf and Falco)
Dixie Kong
Baby Mario Bros. (Mario and Ice Climbers)
Donkey Kong Jr. (Donkey Kong and Game And Watch) (Doesn't count as a DKC rep)
Marx (Of Ashley and Meta Knight)
Mach Rider (Captain Falcon and Snake, made the Konami guys a little uncomfortable, which is the only reason he isn't a Snake echo)

Assist Trophies (not all, but some)
Felix (Replaces Isaac)
Gulliver (replace Isabelle)
Red (Replaces Ashley)
Birdo
Eggplant Wizard
Krunch
Paper Mario (His hammer splashes the stage with Color, similar to Inkling's Ink)
Team Dark (Shadow's AT got updated)
Arle (Sega got a lot of ATs)
Adeleine


Palutena's Guidance, Snake's Codec, Cranky's Rants, and Squid Sisters Broadcast are all in and serve the same purpose

Those aren't all the stages btw, just had to make room for characters


Pokemon Tower (Mimikyu's Stage)

A weird one untranslated with the same logo as Hanafuda Master, where you have to stay on cards

A Mario Party board

Death Mountain

Gangplank Galleon

Sarasaland - Mario's Castle

Electroplankton

Mt. Itoi (Gyiyg as a stage boss, translation team hasn't renamed him yet.) (Porky Means Business is a track here)

Gaia Falls

Clu Clu Land

Donkey Kong 3

Further ATs
Duster
Teddy
Boshi

Sakurai only counts the uniques as newcomers

Interesting in that it specifies Echoes and "Frankensteins" and includes development reasonings that the "leaker" could reasonably have insight into. The cover of an intern working under Bill Trinen makes me skeptical, but I'd watch out for any "Frankenstein" characters in the future.
You heard it here first. The remaining newcomers in Smash Ultimate will be:

Paper Mario (Paper Mario)
Ashley (WarioWare)
Dixie Kong [Diddy Kong Echo Fighter] (Donkey Kong Country 2)
Dark Samus [Samus Echo Fighter] (Metroid Prime 2: Echoes)
Isabelle [Villager Echo Fighter] (Animal Crossing)
Shadow The Hedgehog [Sonic Echo Fighter] (Sonic Adventure 2)
Heihachi (Tekken)
Amaterasu (Okami)
Geno (Super Mario RPG)

Feel free to screenshot. See you in December~!

I have some leaks regarding Smash Ultimate. Heihachi and Isabella will be playable. Dark Samus will be an echo fighter for dlc. Goku will be announced in a surpeise reveal at the Jump Victory Carnival. There are no plans for Waluigi ;)

In case you didn't know, the Jump Victory Carnival is in 5 days, or 11 for the Osaka event (I think the Smash/Mario Aces event is taking place at the Jump Victory Carnival, hence why there are two events), which means we'll know if this one's true very soon. I unironically want Goku in Smash Bros, so I'm in favor of this one
Oh **** that's right, we've got a bonus leak everyone
Here are the characters that will be in the game:

JULY(Nintendo Direct):
-King K Rool
-Simon Belmont

AUGUST(Smash Ultimate Website):
-Dixie Kong

SEPTEMBER(Surprise Announcement):
-Shovel Knight

OCTOBER(Mini Direct):
-Bandana Waddle Dee
-Decidueye

NOVEMBER(Smash Ultimate Direct):
-Rayman
-Chibi-Robo

DECEMBER(Post-Game Release Trailers):
-Geno
-Spring Man

DLCs:
-Waluigi
-Crash Bandicoot
-Banjo-Kazooie
-Paper Mario
-Phoenix Wright
-Chorus Kids

Safe, but we'll know if this one is true or not soon. Shovel Knight over other indie picks like Shantae or even Reimu would be kind of disappointing though.
THAT'S RIGHT, WE HAVE A BONUS BONUS "LEAK." IT'S YOUR LUCKY DAY[

This leak comes in the form of images, so take a look:
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Characters circled are:
Ashley
Dixie Kong
Heihachi
Geno
Dark Samus
Shadow
Amaterasu
Isabelle
Paper Mario


Solid roster if you ask me.
/SPOILER]

Also, if we're still talking about which character we think is likely to be the next revealed, my money is on K. Rool, Simon Belmont, and Ashley in that order.


"That leak" can mean a lot of things. He's likely mentioning "Leak" 1 in this set if anything.
I like how the first guy admitted to reading speculation threads.

Thanks for the red flag mate. XD

It worked for Pit up until his wings burnt off and had a near-permanent death
Worked for Goku and Doomsday.
 
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What's with the uptick of Amaterasu in leaks? At first she was nowhere, but now every other leak has her it in.

She's cool though, would not complain if she gets in.
Three words: Okami Switch port.

Dying repeatedly is not a sound battle strategy. Just ask Diavolo.
To be fair, Lynne made it through okay with Sissel's help (though it's an investigation method in this case, the same principle applies here).
 
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San Diego Comic Con is coming up soon. Do you think think they will have a reveal trailer for Ultimate?
I'm not expecting a reveal from any convention or tournament. If we get a newcomer revealed in the near future, chances are, it'll be during a Direct or a special presentation Nintendo told us about in advance.
 
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It would be cool if King K Rool to be confirmed for ssbU, I think if Paper Mario is confirmed for smash Ultimate they would be a clone or a new character entirely.

I think it would be Ultimate if a new Kirby character is confirmed, I think it would be cool if Zero joins or Marx joins Smash Ultimate.

Or... Galaxa Knight as a echo of Meta Knight
 
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I get the feeling that people are grossly underestimating how many Echos will be in the game. Every leak seems like people just forgot about them, which is kind of a bad thing since this is *ahem* a cheap way to make people happy. I was thinking that people would put thousands of Echos into their leaks... but only one has done that...

Like seriously???? What the heck? I was under the impression that this was a way to compromise on having a low newcomer count??? However... I just don't see people even adding Echos into their "leaks".. I'm just hoping at this point that we can get at least something now since I'm certain everybody is trying to be the star of the show with their leaks
 
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Not really, the most likely we'll ever get a reveal trailer this month is either in one of those two Jump Victory Carnival 2018 tournaments or a surprise Nintendo Direct Mini.
I'd honestly be shocked if that were the case... I honestly thought it was just a CEO thing

The recent tournament not an actual CEO
 
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Echoes are not magical potions for happiness. An Echo is an equation attached to a regular fighter to make a very slightly different fighter.

Echoes do not evolve over time like semi-clones. They are the same deviation from their counterpart in each game.

In conclusion, Echoes reduce a character into an unchanging equation.
 
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I get the feeling that people are grossly underestimating how many Echos will be in the game. Every leak seems like people just forgot about them, which is kind of a bad thing since this is *ahem* a cheap way to make people happy. I was thinking that people would put thousands of Echos into their leaks... but only one has done that...

Like seriously???? What the heck? I was under the impression that this was a way to compromise on having a low newcomer count??? However... I just don't see people even adding Echos into their "leaks".. I'm just hoping at this point that we can get at least something now since I'm certain everybody is trying to be the star of the show with their leaks
I think Sakurai will only make a character an echo if he has no plans of ever having them unique characters in the future.

Like as much as I like Dark Pit, this applies pretty well to him. Same as Lucina and Daisy (who could potentially have unique move sets, but there’s just so many other characters that could be added before)
 
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Echoes are not magical potions for happiness. An Echo is an equation attached to a regular fighter to make a very slightly different fighter.

Echoes do not evolve over time like semi-clones. They are the same deviation from their counterpart in each game.

In conclusion, Echoes reduce a character into an unchanging equation.
Which is why I'm against Impa and Dixie being Echoes. If either get into Ultimate as an Echo Fighter, they'll likely be stuck that way permanently, and neither deserve that.

Honestly, I'd rather not get a character who I support in Ultimate at all if it means they'll have a chance of becoming a unique fighter in a future Smash game.
 

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Which is why I'm against Impa and Dixie being Echoes. If either get into Ultimate as an Echo Fighter, they'll likely be stuck that way permanently, and neither deserve that.

Honestly, I'd rather not get a character who I support in Ultimate at all if it means they'll have a chance of becoming a unique fighter in a future Smash game.
I agree with Dixie. She makes no sense as an echo whatsoever. But as a huge Impa fan I think she could work as an echo only because Impa is the one to train Sheik, so them fighting alike makes sense.

Though obviously I'd prefer her (and all newcomers) as unique characters. But I'll take echo Impa to no Impa at all. Doc got promoted, so there'd still be hope for future smash games
 
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On the topic of the Miiverse stage, I remember that at some point before it was announced that Miiverse was cancelled, Liam Robertson (yes, I know) had mentioned that the Miiverse stage was not returning for Smash Switch and it was odd. Goes to show how long rumors about the game have been floating around I guess.
 
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These are all of the past stage that have not been revealed (credits to ElemtrikDynomite on Reddit for this). Considering how not all of these may come back, which stages would you all like to see return (31 stages are here).
In no particular order:

(1) Paper Mario - The Roqueport remix and the S. S. Flavion segment are literally the only reason I want it back. Take out both and I could care less.
(2) Gamer - Probably the most fun stage we've ever had in Smash. I'd be devastated if it didn't return.
(3) Rainbow Road - I'd love to see this in HD.
(4) Pirate Ship - Just a unique layout. Really like the idea of fighting on a sailing ship.
 
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