Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Fierymew]

I am curious why XC2 is so disliked around here...on most other platforms (including Twitter) it seems to be the converse, people loved 2 but hated X

I don't hate 2, but I certainly won't praise it as much as you see some others.
I could go on and on about my gripes with 2, but the short of it is:

It's just not interesting, the characters are overall mostly bland and generic, the world is boring to explore, and I have no connection to the people of Alrest.
The game only really got interesting for me at pretty much the end of the game.

 

[NintenZ]

im gonna regret asking this arent i

Oh yes you will.

Penders is like a rabbit hole, it just keeps going down and down and down and just keeps plummeting:

(If someone could please help me with spoiler tags then that would be very appreciated)

 

[ColietheGoalie]

Y'know, after seeing so many people complain about the bad voice acting, I'm starting to consider supporting a solo Rex just so this thread will have to live with his awful voice for years to come.

Why you gotta be spiteful like that?

 

[KMDP]

Oh yes you will.

Penders is like a rabbit hole, it just keeps going down and down and down and just keeps plummeting:

(If someone could please help me with spoiler tags then that would be very appreciated)

Jesus, the Ken Penders era Archie Sonic art is bad.

It actually offends me that Archie Sonic lasted over 20 years with art like that while Sonic the Comic got cancelled shortly after the Sonic Adventure arc with regularly amazing art during it's heyday.
For example...

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Oh yes you will.

Penders is like a rabbit hole, it just keeps going down and down and down and just keeps plummeting:

(If someone could please help me with spoiler tags then that would be very appreciated)

****

I REGRET ASKING!! I REGRET ASKING AAAAAAAAAAAAA

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

Rex's English voice is okay, but his screams are horrible.

Rex's screams are like the big fish at the end of the video.

 

[MoonlitIllusion]

I just hate everyone's design in XC2. They all look terrible, but on top of that they lack ANY kind of consistency. Probably a side effect of having 30 or so different artists, but come on, who greenlit Rex and Pyra's designs. Or Nia's?

XC1 nailed the designs so well. Shulk wears clothing that is functional while also having the same style as the rest of the inhabitants of bionis, Dunban clearly shows he's an experienced badass, can't use his left arm, and that he's suave as hell, and even the most fanservicey of designs like Sharla still convey the fact that she is an active and rough woman who's good with machinery.

I like Morag's design, and Zeke's is alright, I'm just confused as to how the main characters look so damn terrible

It's like something a child would write. XD

The Giant Robotnik thing was actually a clever plot (also the art was way better than Archie Sonic)

Spoiler: Spoilers for a 25 Year Old Comic

Robotnik uses the power of the Emeralds to become a god, and uses this power to "It's a Wonderful Life" Sonic. Sonic tries to fight him by himself, but gets beaten down easily by phantoms of previous enemies, never actually reaching Robotnik.
With no other options, Sonic appeals to Robotnik's Ego, and the Doctor gives him a chance to ask for help from one person. Sonic picks Knuckles. and Knuckles uses the power of the Grey Emerald (STC's equivalent to the Master Emerald) to rob Robotnik of his power.
After Robotnik is depowered, it then gets weird when Nack shows up and uses a shrinking device to shrink Robotnik down to atomic size for a reason I can't remember right now (it wasn't to save him, Nack wasn't on Robotnik's side).

I don't understand why Dahlia is such a big deal, but whatever.

Dahlia's blatantly sexualised to the point of it being distracting tbh, her boobs are bigger than her head and her spine looks broken. Doesn't help that the design on it's own is ugly, those giant ass feet, the ear hair, whoever designed dahlia should've taken that design and placed it into the garbage.

 

[Roberk]

The voice acting isn’t what’s bad. Rex’s VA sounds kinda stupid and says dumb things sometimes, but it’s accurate for Rex’s character. Rex is only 15, so he’ll say and do dumb stuff.

The lip-syncing is the problem. Monolithsoft can create HD models that look nice but the animations (especially when it comes to speech anatomy) are so stiff and uncoordinated with the voices. For example, probably my favorite character, Zeke, is jam packed with great lines. He’s held back by his model being heavily animated to be as theatrical and flamboyant as possible which makes the lip-syncing difference distinct.

The actual voice acting when it comes to stuff other than Rex like Zeke’s monologues, Nia’s Welsh accent, Morag’s Scottish accent, and Dromarch/Gramps’ buttery smooth senior age voices are very enjoyable to me at least. (Tora is creepy, Poppi is good though)

Hopefully after the success of XC2 Monolithsoft can up the production value on delicate animation, but right now complex stuff that isn’t a model as a whole is pretty garbage and is holding their voice acting back.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

I like Morag's design, and Zeke's is alright, I'm just confused as to how the main characters look so damn terrible


Dahlia's blatantly sexualised to the point of it being distracting tbh, her boobs are bigger than her head and her spine looks broken. Doesn't help that the design on it's own is ugly, those giant *** feet, the ear hair, whoever designed dahlia should've taken that design and placed it into the garbage.

Yeah, I will say Dahlia’s design is very Uncanny Valley. Great for Rule 34, but out of place in a game like Xenoblade.

 

[Idon]

I like Morag's design, and Zeke's is alright, I'm just confused as to how the main characters look so damn terrible


Dahlia's blatantly sexualised to the point of it being distracting tbh, her boobs are bigger than her head and her spine looks broken. Doesn't help that the design on it's own is ugly, those giant *** feet, the ear hair, whoever designed dahlia should've taken that design and placed it into the garbage.

Morag's alright, but I feel like it's a bit too on the nose with the Nobunaga inspiration. Other than that though, it's pretty great.
Now Zeke WOULD be a cool design if he wasn't a chuuni and that aspect makes me feel like his entire design's manufactured intentionally to appear cool instead of it being like that naturally

Honestly, the only design I really like a lot from XC2 is Poppi's initial form. She's basically a Fantasy Megaman and that's radical (now if only she wasn't also the fetish maid character for a damn nopon)

 

[MoonlitIllusion]

Yeah, I will say Dahlia’s design is very Uncanny Valley. Great for Rule 34, but out of place in a game like Xenoblade.

Fr, the games artstyle is a mess, it's wild that we can have some amazing female character design like with adenine, agate, kassandra, ursula etc, and then the other half are pantsless with boulders for *******. I guess that's what happens when you hire hentai artists to design some of your characters tho lmao.

 

[Zinith]

So I think based off reading this thread and the various "leaks" I think I have what seem to be the consensus top 10 most likely characters. Let's play a game, order these 10 in who you believe is most likely to least likely to be playable. Here's mine....

1. King K Rool
2. Dixie Kong
3. Simon Belmont
4. Isabelle
5. Shadow
6. Geno
7. Ashley
8. Elma
9. Decidueye
10. Bandana Dee

I'm always late to these sorts of thngs...

1. Elma
2. King K. Rool
3. Bandana Dee
4. Decidueye
5. Isabelle
6. Shadow
7. Simon Belmont
8. Dixie Kong
9. Ashley
10. Geno

 

[Pyra]

Yeah, I will say Dahlia’s design is very Uncanny Valley. Great for Rule 34, but out of place in a game like Xenoblade.

Hm, I've never played Xeboblade. I wonder what this Dahlia person looks like.


Is what I said before I did the regrettable action of googling it. Now I have a lot of questions, most of which are "why"

 

[Idon]

I FINALLY found the design that Pyra reminded me of.
It's this. (about as NSFW as a normal picture of Pyra is)
Celica from Awakening's DLC.

Drawn by the same artist, featuring the same color scheme, the same stupid design decisions, and the same obvious pandering without any regard for the overall setting or tone of the story.
God, in this artwork, it even looks like Celica's lying on a bed.

For XC3, how about we just bring back that XC1 guy?

 

[DoctorSanity]

Hm, I've never played Xeboblade. I wonder what this Dahlia person looks like.


Is what I said before I did the regrettable action of googling it. Now I have a lot of questions, most of which are "why"

How did you like her extremely uncomfortable arachnid feet jutting out of her furry paw feet making her stand in what is quite possibly the most painful looking fantasy version of high heels ever drawn?

Edit: also "It was his scream Mr. Krabs! He was No. Aaaaiiiiiiiyah!"

 

[RandomAce]

I am curious why XC2 is so disliked around here...on most other platforms (including Twitter) it seems to be the converse, people loved 2 but hated X

I like both games so far. But I just like X more.

The way I see it, X is it’s own sub series since it deviates from 1 and 2 to be more gameplay driven. So I judge the game on it’s own merits and I saw it’s a very superb game.

However, since 2 is a sequel to 1, I see what changes they made to game compared to it’s predecessor, and well... 1 is still better than 2 in my opinion. Unlike Xenoblade 1 where all the characters are more realistic with emotions and reaction based on the events surrounding them and their relationships with one another, Xenoblade 2 uses anime tropes and an anime style in both the designs of characters and personalities, which is honestly a downgrade in my opinion. Not to mention that the writing is also on a level below Xenoblade 1.

Although 2 is a good game, it defenitly isn’t a masterpiece compared to the god like writing and characters of Xenoblade 1.

 

[Pyra]

How did you like her extremely uncomfortable arachnid feet jutting out of her furry paw feet making her stand in what is quite possibly the most painful looking fantasy version of high heels ever drawn?

Edit: also "It was his scream Mr. Krabs! He was No. Aaaaiiiiiiiyah!"

I didn't even notice the feet and I resent you for pointing that out.

Honestly, I saw the body shape and noped out of it.
However... I did find this gem.

Spoiler: This gem

 

[Zinith]

I didn't even notice the feet and I resent you for pointing that out.

Honestly, I saw the body shape and noped out of it.
However... I did find this gem.

Spoiler: This gem

I don't think I'll ever sleep again...

 

[BluePikmin11]

Apparently there's a new Smash Ultimate interview from Sakurai, and it can be found on the News Feed on the Nintendo Switch. Pretty odd place to put an interview if I had to be honest.

 

[WolfCypher]

Do people want to have to fight and beat the locked characters, or just have them added to the roster upon unlocking, considering we inly start with 8 characters, and would have to beat each 64+, meaning if you actually lose against the locked character, that's making the task of unlocking so many characters that much longer...?

 

[Will]

I didn't even notice the feet and I resent you for pointing that out.

Honestly, I saw the body shape and noped out of it.
However... I did find this gem.

Spoiler: This gem

It can't be a JRPG if it doesn't have both a cute race of small anthropomorphic animals and absolute ***** monsters

 

[RandomAce]

Apparently there's a new Smash Ultimate interview from Sakurai, and it can be found on the News Feed on the Nintendo Switch. Pretty odd place to put an interview if I had to be honest.

****! NEWS!

OK people, let’s over analyze everything Sakurai said!

Where’s the link?

 

[NintenZ]

For those who would like the full quality template, here it is:

Enjoy, have fun!

 

[MoonlitIllusion]

I FINALLY found the design that Pyra reminded me of.
It's this. (about as NSFW as a normal picture of Pyra is)
Celica from Awakening's DLC.

Drawn by the same artist, featuring the same color scheme, the same stupid design decisions, and the same obvious pandering without any regard for the overall setting or tone of the story.
God, in this artwork, it even looks like Celica's lying on a bed.

For XC3, how about we just bring back that XC1 guy?

Same stupid looking booty shorts, same gloves, the pointless straps, the thigh highs...this is literally the same character lmao. When you're an artist but can only draw slightly different variations on the same anime girl maybe you're not a good character designer lmao.

 

[Icedragonadam]

Well there's a finally a 4chan rumor post with Lloyd in it(unless that one with the tiger is suppose to hint towards Lloyd so 2nd).

http://boards.4chan.org/v/thread/423575220

Spoiler: 4Chan Leak

July 29th
>King K. Rool
August 29th
>Lloyd Irving
Stepember 29th
>Simon
October 29th
>Saki and Isaac
November 16th
>New Pokemon rep and Steve

Most of the dates line up with their series/games anniversary. Mainly with Lloyd and Simon Belmont.

God I wish this was true.

 

[Will]

****! NEWS!

OK people, let’s over analyze everything Sakurai said!

Where’s the link?

You're very late, and so was he.
It's nothing special.

 

[RandomAce]

Do people want to have to fight and beat the locked characters, or just have them added to the roster upon unlocking, considering we inly start with 8 characters, and would have to beat each 64+, meaning if you actually lose against the locked character, that's making the task of unlocking so many characters that much longer...?

A middle ground for me would be to instantly unlock all the veterans without fighting them, but battle this game’s newcomers and secret characters.

 

[Pyra]

Apparently there's a new Smash Ultimate interview from Sakurai, and it can be found on the News Feed on the Nintendo Switch. Pretty odd place to put an interview if I had to be honest.

Can confirm, this is a thing. Reading now.

EDIT: Never mind, apparently this is nothing new.

 

[NintenZ]

Well there's a finally a 4chan rumor post with Lloyd in it(unless that one with the tiger is suppose to hint towards Lloyd so 2nd).

Spoiler: 4chan Leak

http://boards.4chan.org/v/thread/423575220

Most of the dates line up with their series/games anniversary. Mainly with Lloyd and Simon Belmont.

God I wish this was true.

The only thing I like about this leak is Lloyd, everything else is extremely lackluster.

 

[Murlough]

Do people want to have to fight and beat the locked characters, or just have them added to the roster upon unlocking, considering we inly start with 8 characters, and would have to beat each 64+, meaning if you actually lose against the locked character, that's making the task of unlocking so many characters that much longer...?

I'll be fine either way. I REALLY missed the "New Challenger Approaching" screen before fighting the character. It felt like I was actually being challenged, which gave off an actual reward. Games nowadays could learn a thing or two from Melee........

But I also don't know how fond I'd be of having to do it for 80% of the cast. I think once I was done I'd feel far more accomplished and appreciative but the grind to get there would be such a draaaaaag.

I'll also only have two days to play with my friends in Kentucky before having to drive home so that also kinda affects my opinion. If we are taking turns trying to unlock everyone that doesn't leave me much time to dunk on them. ;-;

 

[KMDP]

How did you like her extremely uncomfortable arachnid feet jutting out of her furry paw feet making her stand in what is quite possibly the most painful looking fantasy version of high heels ever drawn?

The weird high heels is the one thing about Dahlia's design I'll concede to.

Her spine being 'broken' is misleading, since it's one cutscene.

In this image, her spine doesn't look so 'broken' to me.
People are way too sensitive about the size of a woman's breasts. Dahlia was designed by a woman (Risa Ebata), so don't pull the "She's designed by Men, for Men" card. Some women have big breasts, some of those women like showing those big breasts off. Get over it.

Anyway, I'd rather not continue this discussion.

 

[Pyra]

Ha- apparently Sakurai likes the taunt Ridley has where he stands up straight.
He also doesn't think Ridley looks very smart. Hahahaha

 

[NintenZ]

Can confirm, this is a thing. Reading now.

EDIT: Never mind, apparently this is nothing new.

Absolutely nothing new actually, everything is either something seen or confirmed.

 

[Will]

I'm triggered by this.
They ****ing had wrong usage of your when it should've been you're in the last speech bubble. How do you **** that up?

 

[Deleted member]

He also doesn't think Ridley looks very smart. Hahahaha

Remember when everyone assumed Sakurai disliked Ridley?
This is so meta

 

[Fenriraga]

PREACH IT MY GUY

 

[Will]

He also doesn't think Ridley looks very smart. Hahahaha

Damn Sakurai must think Samus' family got killed by a big idiot.

 

[Chandeelure]

Ha- apparently Sakurai likes the taunt Ridley has where he stands up straight.
He also doesn't think Ridley looks very smart. Hahahaha

Ridley is too dumb.

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

Well there's a finally a 4chan rumor post with Lloyd in it(unless that one with the tiger is suppose to hint towards Lloyd so 2nd).

http://boards.4chan.org/v/thread/423575220

Spoiler: 4Chan Leak

July 29th
>King K. Rool
August 29th
>Lloyd Irving
Stepember 29th
>Simon
October 29th
>Saki and Isaac
November 16th
>New Pokemon rep and Steve

Most of the dates line up with their series/games anniversary. Mainly with Lloyd and Simon Belmont.

God I wish this was true.

This is literally just an edit of the "leak" we disproved on the 9th, with the only difference being the exclusion of Elma and the inclusion of Lloyd. Dude just moved the goalposts. Horribly fake. But if it were true I'd love it because Saki and Lloyd are two of my most wanted.

Also, I'd like to again discourage the usage of links when bringing leaks over to the boards. It only brings more publicity to fake "leakers," which is exactly what they want.

Do people want to have to fight and beat the locked characters, or just have them added to the roster upon unlocking, considering we inly start with 8 characters, and would have to beat each 64+, meaning if you actually lose against the locked character, that's making the task of unlocking so many characters that much longer...?

Marth vs. the World? I'm down. Bring them on, all at once. Give me Marth, Shulk, Ike, and maybe Pokemon Trainer and I'll have that full roster unlocked EZ.

 

[MoonlitIllusion]

The weird high heels is the one thing about Dahlia's design I'll concede to.

Her spine being 'broken' is misleading, since it's one cutscene.

In this image, her spine doesn't look so 'broken' to me.
People are way too sensitive about the size of a woman's breasts. Dahlia was designed by a woman (Risa Ebata), so don't pull the "She's designed by Men, for Men" card. Some women have big breasts, some of those women like showing those big breasts off. Get over it.

Anyway, I'd rather not continue this discussion.

Yeah people don't stand like that lol, and I think very few women have boobs larger than their head.

I'll just say this, if the sexualisation wasn't exclusive to the female characters I wouldn't have an issue, the closest to a sexualised male character is gorg and he's gorg...where are my hot guys with no pants and ab cutouts monolithsoft?