Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[A Distant Demon]

Why are we suddenly discussing Melee's release date? I wasn't paying attention

You can just read the posts above you. . .

There aren't that many.

 

[RealLuigisWearPink]

Hmm, nah. You just started a new page and loading those avatars and sigs by going back takes longer thank you think.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Melee was released in November 21 in Japan and December 3 in North America, so less than a month apart.

Huh. That is pretty weird then.

 

[Mrplutoguy112]

Again, Ridley simply isn't major enough to justify being the only non Master Hand boss. Plus, Bowser was already available as a playable character from the moment you booted up Melee

Honestly, a game like Smash doesn't need that. If they want to include him they'll not look for such a reason

Oh I ****ing loathe the explanation Sakurai gave as Smash 4's incarnation of Ridley is pretty damn out of character, not to mention he looks worse than a 3DS version if the same design

Ridley seems like he would be a good fighter for smash but then again they would have to shrink him down into size and i have a hard time picturing that. Not to mention his moves sets would be kinda difficult to come across and fitting his wings in their to.

 

[Cyn]

but then again they would have to shrink him down into size and i have a hard time picturing that. .

But if you take into account that Smash characters are brought to life from being a trophy or doll, size doesn't really matter.

 

[Schnee117]

Ridley seems like he would be a good fighter for smash but then again they would have to shrink him down into size and i have a hard time picturing that. Not to mention his moves sets would be kinda difficult to come across and fitting his wings in their to.

Of the issues Ridley has, his move set is not one of them.

It's his proportions.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

Of the issues Ridley has, his move set is not one of them.

It's his proportions.

It's not necessarily his size either. It's not that he's too big it's just he's... Very oddly shaped.

His tail and wings are bigger or as big as his normal torso.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Ridley himself can be sized down.

To really get into what Sakurai meant by the proportion comment. Ridley's wings and tail would be odd if shrunken down. It's a matter of things looking natural.



Kinda sucks but that's how it is.

 

[EdwardSponge]

On the topic of size, has anyone ever thought about how K Rool's size may be a problem?
I get that bowser is huge but he only has to look big compared to Mario, wereas K Rool has to look big to Donkey Kong, who is already huge.
K Rool is about 3 times taller than DK in dkc, 2 time taller in dkc2, and 6 times taller in 64. I worry he's going to look weird being the same height as DK, especially as DK isn't even standing upright.

 

[Deleted member]

On the topic of size, has anyone ever thought about how K Rool's size may be a problem?
I get that bowser is huge but he only has to look big compared to Mario, wereas K Rool has to look big to Donkey Kong, who is already huge.
K Rool is about 3 times taller than DK in dkc, 2 time taller in dkc2, and 6 times taller in 64. I worry he's going to look weird being the same height as DK, especially as DK isn't even standing upright.

I doubt it.
Unlike Ridley, K. Rool wouldn't look too out of character if he's scaled down (At least I think he won't). I think they just made him look so big in the SNES games because he would look underwhelming if he was the same size as DK.
Besides, he's only a bit taller than DK in the cartoon (At least it seems like it to me), if you count that.

 

[BowserK.Rool]

On the topic of size, has anyone ever thought about how K Rool's size may be a problem?
I get that bowser is huge but he only has to look big compared to Mario, wereas K Rool has to look big to Donkey Kong, who is already huge.
K Rool is about 3 times taller than DK in dkc, 2 time taller in dkc2, and 6 times taller in 64. I worry he's going to look weird being the same height as DK, especially as DK isn't even standing upright.

If you play the final boss battle with him in Donkey Kong Land, he's about the same size as DK, they could just make him a couple inches taller to make him look bigger than DK and Bowser. It's mostly that girth that makes him stick out (no pun intended).

Also DK is actually the same height as him in DKC if he were to stand up on two legs.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

On the topic of size, has anyone ever thought about how K Rool's size may be a problem?
I get that bowser is huge but he only has to look big compared to Mario, wereas K Rool has to look big to Donkey Kong, who is already huge.
K Rool is about 3 times taller than DK in dkc, 2 time taller in dkc2, and 6 times taller in 64. I worry he's going to look weird being the same height as DK, especially as DK isn't even standing upright.

K.Rool's got a very simple design as he's mostly a big and round shape with arms, legs, a head and a tail which he doesn't use much iirc. Ridley's issue is that he tends to have a stupidly long tail and is either very skinny which would look awkward when sized down or his wings are a bit long. It's possible to make him work regardless imo, but the best course of action is getting a design that fits more, give him a bit of muscle so he looks less scrawny and work around that

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

On the topic of size, has anyone ever thought about how K Rool's size may be a problem?
I get that bowser is huge but he only has to look big compared to Mario, wereas K Rool has to look big to Donkey Kong, who is already huge.
K Rool is about 3 times taller than DK in dkc, 2 time taller in dkc2, and 6 times taller in 64. I worry he's going to look weird being the same height as DK, especially as DK isn't even standing upright.

K. Rool's size shouldn't be too much of an issue if you refer to his appearance in Mario Super Sluggers.

 

[UserKev]

People still defend Ridley as if he has any hope of become playable anyway. Why don't we just make discussions of Ridley forbidden until proven otherwise?

On to the topic of Mario newcomers. I can't see the next Smash without a new Mario rep. It'd be very odd. Something is bound to happen even if it a take a new Yoshi rep. That's Mario enough.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

People still defend Ridley as if he has any hope of become playable anyway. Why don't we just make discussions of Ridley forbidden until proven otherwise?

On to the topic of Mario newcomers. I can't see the next Smash without a new Mario rep. It'd be very odd. Something is bound to happen even if it a take a new Yoshi rep. That's Mario enough.

How about we make people who try to forbid discussion in a discussion thread forbidden? Sounds better to me

 

[Deleted member]

If we get a new Mario character, I'm hoping it's either Captain Toad, Waluigi, or both of them.
I really want both of them in the game. u_u

 

[Deleted member]

Ridley may be impossible as ot stands because of the way Sakurai sees it but there's nothing stopping anyone from discussing him.

Hell, it's not even polarizing anymore, if we still had Smash-4-Ridley-discussions-levels of toxicity, then I'd agree on banning discussing him

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Real talk, in terms of Mario characters, there's not much I'd personally want. Nabbit is an absolute "I want this" but other than that not really, now when it comes to representation AS A WHOLE I want an ACTUAL Bowser's Castle stage with a few rock remixes as rock fits Bowser rather well imo

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Real talk, in terms of Mario characters, there's not much I'd personally want. Nabbit is an absolute "I want this" but other than that not really, now when it comes to representation AS A WHOLE I want an ACTUAL Bowser's Castle stage with a few rock remixes as rock fits Bowser rather well imo

When the only things close to being Bowser's Castle is a section of the Paper Mario stage(and a bad section at that) and on a technicality, Peach's Castle from Melee(which in 64, Bowser controlled that castle, and even then, that's a stretch), you know something's wrong. Honestly, we have the other kinds of stages covered that are most notable beyond that. Besides new levels due to new games, we have a Mario Kart stage, many favorites are kept in to keep the game interesting. We still have a level based upon 64 and Sushine even when they're older courses. We got the Mushroom Kingdom-style level. And so on.

 

[Arcadenik]

Real talk, in terms of Mario characters, there's not much I'd personally want. Nabbit is an absolute "I want this" but other than that not really, now when it comes to representation AS A WHOLE I want an ACTUAL Bowser's Castle stage with a few rock remixes as rock fits Bowser rather well imo

Ooh... how about that East Asian style Bowser’s Castle from Super Mario Odyssey? But then again, I do want Takamaru to have that East Asian style Murasame Castle stage. Nothing wrong with a traditional style Bowser’s Castle though... and I do want New Donk City and maybe Bonneton as Super Mario Odyssey stages.


Ooh... how about New Donk City stage as the Donkey Kong Arcade stage and Bonneton stage as the Super Mario Odyssey stage?! I just love Super Mario Odyssey so much!

But yeah, Bowser’s Castle stage is long overdue.

 

[Staarih]

I kinda envision Odyssey getting a travelling stage in Smash, with the fighting happening on different kingdoms while the Odyssey appearing every now and then, hopping on and off it as the scenery switches to a new kingdom.

Maybe that’s too gimmicky. But I guess it’s essentially what Odyssey is.

Bowser’s Castle is a must have tbh, let it finally happen.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

I kinda envision Odyssey getting a travelling stage in Smash, with the fighting happening on different kingdoms while the Odyssey appearing every now and then, hopping on and off it as the scenery switches to a new kingdom.

Maybe that’s too gimmicky. But I guess it’s essentially what Odyssey is.

It's not too gimmicky because traveling stages do exist in Smash.

 

[Deleted member]

I doubt it.
Unlike Ridley, K. Rool wouldn't look too out of character if he's scaled down (At least I think he won't). I think they just made him look so big in the SNES games because he would look underwhelming if he was the same size as DK.
Besides, he's only a bit taller than DK in the cartoon (At least it seems like it to me), if you count that.

If you want to get technical, the sense of scaling in the original DKC is rather off anyway.

Look at DK and Diddy. They're the same size.


Though I kind of see where EdwardSponge is getting at.
Even if K. Rool isn't that much bigger than DK (i.e., they're close to the same height when DK is upright)....

There still is the fact that DK is one of the largest playable characters in Smash already. And that's when he's NOT standing upright like in DK64.
When he is, he's taller than BOWSER.

Not only that, but the Kremlings in Smash Tour are larger than either Bowser or DK (again, without standing upright) as well. Which makes them larger than any of the playable characters, though not by much.

That's good and fine, but what would that mean for K. Rool?
He kind of has to be bigger than his own Kritter minions. Even his model in Super Sluggers shows a notable height difference.

And if the Kritter is already larger than the entire playable cast....K. Rool could probably be an issue.

Granted, K. Rool might be able to get away with being unaltered and just be the largest fighter in the game unlike say, Ridley (who would OBVIOUSLY need to be altered), but it might take a new Smash that is designed around him being the largest instead of DK/Bowser rather than trying to design him around the pre-established Smash 4 in a hypothetical port.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

travelling stage

Oooh thanks for reminding me of something! Alola as a travelling stage! Depending on the area you can see the Tapu appropriate for said area and they attack, as you're clearly not native to Alola. Tapu Koko rushes at players, Tapu Lele randomly screws with everyone's stats (Ganondorf suddenly not being able to hit hard but Little Mac jumping higher than Falco can), Tapu Bulu rams into players who attack him while he sets up Grassy Terrain in a given location of the stage and Tapu Fini shoots streams of water or something. Randomly, one of the Tapus use Guardian of Alola to wreck the stage or something

 

[EdwardSponge]

If we get a new Mario character, I'm hoping it's either Captain Toad, Waluigi, or both of them.
I really want both them in the game. u_u

If we HAD to have a new Mario new comer, I would probably go for Paper Mario. (assuming Donkey Kong characters don't count)

 

[RealLuigisWearPink]

I kinda envision Odyssey getting a travelling stage in Smash, with the fighting happening on different kingdoms while the Odyssey appearing every now and then, hopping on and off it as the scenery switches to a new kingdom.

Maybe that’s too gimmicky. But I guess it’s essentially what Odyssey is.

Bowser’s Castle is a must have tbh, let it finally happen.

So basically updated Delfino Plaza? I like it,

Bowser's Castle.. I would like a conglomeration of different versions of the castle, maybe with bridge of SMB1, the breakable blocks of SMB3, Mech Koopas from SMW, Falling Chandeliers from Super Mario RPG, lots and lots of lava, Fire Breathing Statues from Mario Kart 64.. Basically hazards galore. It would probably be a decently sized stage but nothing Temple size.

and lol k rool is not too big. At least nowhere near Ridley issue.

 

[EdwardSponge]

If you want to get technical, the sense of scaling in the original DKC is rather off anyway.

Look at DK and Diddy. They're the same size.


Though I kind of see where EdwardSponge is getting at.
Even if K. Rool isn't that much bigger than DK (i.e., they're close to the same height when DK is upright)....

There still is the fact that DK is one of the largest playable characters in Smash already. And that's when he's NOT standing upright like in DK64.
When he is, he's taller than BOWSER.

Not only that, but the Kremlings in Smash Tour are larger than either Bowser or DK (again, without standing upright) as well. Which makes them larger than any of the playable characters, though not by much.

That's good and fine, but what would that mean for K. Rool?
He kind of has to be bigger than his own Kritter minions. Even his model in Super Sluggers shows a notable height difference.

And if the Kritter is already larger than the entire playable cast....K. Rool could probably be an issue.

Granted, K. Rool might be able to get away with being unaltered and just be the largest fighter in the game unlike say, Ridley (who would OBVIOUSLY need to be altered), but it might take a new Smash that is designed around him being the largest instead of DK/Bowser rather than trying to design him around the pre-established Smash 4 in a hypothetical port.

I would be completely fine if K Rool was the biggest character in smash, even if he played like garbage and gets combo'd guarented from 0% to 120%. I would still play him.

 

[Deleted member]

What we need is less travelling/transforming stages because **** those
I just want something like N's Castle for Pokemon, just one static iconic location.
Give me New Donk City and Cerulean Cave please

 

[Deleted member]

If we HAD to have a new Mario new comer, I would probably go for Paper Mario. (assuming Donkey Kong characters don't count)

I'd only be okay with it if Dr. Mario was removed. I don't want 3 versions of the same character.
But if DK characters count then I'd rather have K. Rool before all of them.

 

[EdwardSponge]

I'd only be okay with it if Dr. Mario was removed. I don't want 3 versions of the same character.
But if DK characters count then I'd rather have K. Rool before all of them.

Ditto.

My ideal Smash 5 Roster is King K Rool, Kaptain K Rool, Baron K Roolenstein, Apollo K.Reed, Pilot K Rool, Dr K Rool, Dark K Rool, Female K Rool and Paper K Rool.

 

[Deleted member]

Ditto.

My ideal Smash 5 Roster is King K Rool, Kaptain K Rool, Baron K Roolenstein, Apollo K.Reed, Pilot K Rool, Dr K Rool, Dark K Rool, Female K Rool and Paper K Rool.

0/10 no Zero Suit K. Rool.

 

[EdwardSponge]

0/10 no Zero Suit K. Rool.

You're right, I forgot to mention Zero Suit K Rool, Toon K Rool, Kommander K Rool, Master Khief, Mr Game and Rool, Plumber K Rool, Mega K Rool, Chinese Anime S. Wordsman, Baby K Rool, Metal K Rool, Pink Gold K Rool, Tanooki K Rool, Krash B. Andicoot, and Luigi.

 

[Deleted member]

You're right, I forgot to mention Zero Suit K Rool, Toon K Rool, Kommander K Rool, Master Khief, Mr Game and Rool, Plumber K Rool, Mega K Rool, Chinese Anime S. Wordsman, Baby K Rool, Metal K Rool, Pink Gold K Rool, Tanooki K Rool, Krash B. Andicoot, and Luigi.

Don't forget about Young K. Rool.

Okay now let's get back on topic

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

You two forgot Dr. K Rool, K. Rool Jr. and Mayor K. Rool.

 

[RealLuigisWearPink]

..And Knuckles

 

[EdwardSponge]

Ditto.
Dr K Rool, Dark K Rool,

You two forgot Dr. K Rool, K. Rool Jr. and Mayor K. Rool.

BEH-SCUSE ME?

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

BEH-SCUSE ME?

Oops, didn't notice it.

You still forget the other two though.

 

[RealLuigisWearPink]

K let's get on topic before we all get smacked with warnings

If Duck Hunt is the Zapper character, should there be a Super Scope character? Y'know, who uses stuff from different Super Scope games. If so, who?

 

[Schnee117]

If Duck Hunt is the Zapper character, should there be a Super Scope character? Y'know, who uses stuff from different Super Scope games. If so, who?

There's no real stand out character for the Super Scope like with the NES Zapper. I think it's fine being an item.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

K let's get on topic before we all get smacked with warnings

If Duck Hunt is the Zapper character, should there be a Super Scope character? Y'know, who uses stuff from different Super Scope games. If so, who?

There's already a Super Scope item, so the idea seems pointless to me since the peripheral has been acknowledged since Melee.

Not to mention the only biggest Super Scope game is Yoshi's Safari, which... makes it even less necessary since Yoshi and Mario are already in Smash