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That actually works as a disadvantage against Cloud.
It is not you guys... the others who caused the Waluigi controversy and so on....
Pig = Pigma maybe? Though that would unfortunately deconfirm him as playable...For reference again, here is the leak that predicted the ballot being rigged for Bayonetta. I've quoted it this time:
My thoughts on the characters/assist trophies
Whip: Simon Belmont (He fights with a whip, the only other prominent person to do so is Indiana Jones, so unless it's him)
Pic Related: Skull Kid. (You might think Dark Matter, but I think the "ha ha ha ha ha ha" in the picture sound like this and points to Skull Kid instead)
Witch: Ashley. Maybe Lip, but she's not a conventional witch like Ashley, who is literally a witch
Sliced Apple: Bandana Dee.Chandeelure can give you an explanation for this.
Anime: Vague, my guesses are Elma/Rex (Xenoblade is described as an anime-esque series), Lloyd Irving (Again, Tales of games are anime-esque, and his game also literally got an anime adaptation), or even Goku (literally anime). Could maybe also be Isaac or Saki, but I'll stick with my main three picks.
Archer: Decidueye. He's an archer.
House: Chibi-Robo(?) Unsure as this one's vague, but Chibi-Robo does manage a house (i.e. cleaning and such). Again, this one is vague.
Science: Could be Elma or Saki if they're not "Anime," as both come from futuristic, scientific settings. E. Gadd is an odd pick, but is actually a scientist. Same with Slippy Toad. It could be K. Rool as he was a mad scientist in one of his appearances, but I doubt it as the leaker would likely have given a more obvious hint. This one is also vague, so I don't know.
Cards: This is either Paper Mario or Hanafuda Captain. I lean more towards Paper Mario given how he fought in Paper Mario Color Splash, which was well under development in December 2015 and could've been used as a point of reference if Sakurai wanted to add him and reflect his most recent iteration. Hanafuda Captain is also possible though. Yugi Muto is a darkhorse third party pick here (Come on, Pokémon vs. Yugioh would be hype to the max).Elma also has the whole alien species who provided humanity with technology and has humanity's consciousness stored in a computer thing going for her too.
Prime: Dark Samus. Not hard to figure out.
Edgy: Shadow. Also not hard.
Dog: Isabelle. She is a dog.
Asthma: Ninten. He is the only character in Mother 0 to be inflicted with the status condition Asthma, which makes him miss turns
Blue Hair: Chrom. Another blue haired swordfighter.
Lego: Minecraft. It is often compared to Legos.
Merchant Egg: Someone on 4chan said Magalor?
Octopus: Either DJ Octavio or Octolings.
Divine: Either Viridi or the Champions from BOTW
Dad: Cranky Kong?
Pig: I don't know. If we get a pig-like AT confirmed though, we'll know.
Anybody else want to take a try at this one?
I thought Skull Kid too, but for a different reason. I thought Skull Kid because the pic reminds me of Hellstar Remina, which is a horror manga where the main problem is a giant celestial body on a collision course with Earth.
I don't care for Cloud but I get his importance (even if his representation does little to endear me), but Bayonetta basically being glorified advertizing for a franchise Nintendo is singlehandedly bankrolling at this point rubs me the wrong way. Maybe if they weren't broken characters I'd merely be indifferent to them.
Touch it with a 10-foot tongue instead, then swallow it and turn it into an egg to use as ammo.
For reference again, here is the leak that predicted the ballot being rigged for Bayonetta. I've quoted it this time:
My thoughts on the characters/assist trophies
Whip: Simon Belmont (He fights with a whip, the only other prominent person to do so is Indiana Jones, so unless it's him)
Pic Related: Skull Kid. (You might think Dark Matter, but I think the "ha ha ha ha ha ha" in the picture sound like this and points to Skull Kid instead)
Witch: Ashley. Maybe Lip, but she's not a conventional witch like Ashley, who is literally a witch
Sliced Apple: Bandana Dee.
Anime: Vague, my guesses are Elma/Rex (Xenoblade is described as an anime-esque series), Lloyd Irving (Again, Tales of games are anime-esque, and his game also literally got an anime adaptation), or even Goku (literally anime). Could maybe also be Isaac or Saki, but I'll stick with my main three picks.
Archer: Decidueye. He's an archer.
House: Chibi-Robo(?) Unsure as this one's vague, but Chibi-Robo does manage a house (i.e. cleaning and such). Again, this one is vague.
Science: Could be Elma or Saki if they're not "Anime," as both come from futuristic, scientific settings. E. Gadd is an odd pick, but is actually a scientist. Same with Slippy Toad. It could be K. Rool as he was a mad scientist in one of his appearances, but I doubt it as the leaker would likely have given a more obvious hint. This one is also vague, so I don't know.
Cards: This is either Paper Mario or Hanafuda Captain. I lean more towards Paper Mario given how he fought in Paper Mario Color Splash, which was well under development in December 2015 and could've been used as a point of reference if Sakurai wanted to add him and reflect his most recent iteration. Hanafuda Captain is also possible though. Yugi Muto is a darkhorse third party pick here (Come on, Pokémon vs. Yugioh would be hype to the max).Elma also has the whole alien species who provided humanity with technology and has humanity's consciousness stored in a computer thing going for her too.
Prime: Dark Samus. Not hard to figure out.
Edgy: Shadow. Also not hard.
Dog: Isabelle. She is a dog.
Asthma: Ninten. He is the only character in Mother 0 to be inflicted with the status condition Asthma, which makes him miss turns
Blue Hair: Chrom. Another blue haired swordfighter.
Lego: Minecraft. It is often compared to Legos.
Merchant Egg: Someone on 4chan said Magalor?
Octopus: Either DJ Octavio or Octolings.
Divine: Either Viridi or the Champions from BOTW
Dad: Cranky Kong?
Pig: I don't know. If we get a pig-like AT confirmed though, we'll know.
Anybody else want to take a try at this one?
*and Geno fans.
This isn't going to matter at all for the Bayo ban debate, and people are going to quickly quiet about Bayo in Ultimate when she gets nerfed hard. No one gave a damn about Meta Knight anymore when Smash 4 launched with him severely nerfed and even started rooting for him when he reemerged as a viable character, despite him dominating Brawl so much harder than Bayo ever did in Smash 4.
God, I hope so. See, people always say go for gimping Cloud, but the problem is you're going to be hard pressed to get Cloud in a position to be gimped when he's outranging all your normals with nair, bair and constantly looming the thread of Limit Cross Slash over you the entire time. Maybe if Cloud weren't so naturally oppressive regardless of whether he's in advantage or disadvantage I'd be more optimistic, but from everything seen so far he's still going to be better than the majority of the cast while also being extremely easy to do be effective with.
Dad is clearly a rep from that Twitch bait meme game. *googles it* Dream Daddy. Dream Daddy rep locked in, 100% confirmed.I'm not saying the 'dad' hint could be pointing to Flint, but I mean... well, I'm sure you understand
That one character that's not in.
Oh, I forgot to give the link to the video! Darn me.
Bayonetta would have most likely gotten in regardless of the ballot considering she's a Nintendo exclusive now.
*Smash Invitational.
Yeah but it was cheating, if we know that happened, what's actually stopping it from happening again? I don't want the moral of this story to be that cheating is perfectly okay and morally acceptable.
I like it kept secret so surprise can be even more relevant when we get newcomers...
I have a feeling that even though she's gonna be nerfed hard, people still won't like her. Bayo has garnered a lot of vitriol despite, as you said, not being nearly as dominant as Meta Knight was in Brawl. In all of the reactions I've watched, whenever Bayo showed up, people were either indifferent or outright booing her.
There's no hard evidence to say that Sakurai and his team 'cheated' lol.
I'd guess Sceptile, at a random (totally not random) shot in the dark.
lol, how I didn't notice Merchant Egg, yeah, it's definitely Magolor.For reference again, here is the leak that predicted the ballot being rigged for Bayonetta. I've quoted it this time:
My thoughts on the characters/assist trophies
Whip: Simon Belmont (He fights with a whip, the only other prominent person to do so is Indiana Jones, so unless it's him)
Pic Related: Skull Kid. (You might think Dark Matter, but I think the "ha ha ha ha ha ha" in the picture sound like this and points to Skull Kid instead)
Witch: Ashley. Maybe Lip, but she's not a conventional witch like Ashley, who is literally a witch
Sliced Apple: Bandana Dee.
Anime: Vague, my guesses are Elma/Rex (Xenoblade is described as an anime-esque series), Lloyd Irving (Again, Tales of games are anime-esque, and his game also literally got an anime adaptation), or even Goku (literally anime). Could maybe also be Isaac or Saki, but I'll stick with my main three picks.
Archer: Decidueye. He's an archer.
House: Chibi-Robo(?) Unsure as this one's vague, but Chibi-Robo does manage a house (i.e. cleaning and such). Again, this one is vague.
Science: Could be Elma or Saki if they're not "Anime," as both come from futuristic, scientific settings. E. Gadd is an odd pick, but is actually a scientist. Same with Slippy Toad. It could be K. Rool as he was a mad scientist in one of his appearances, but I doubt it as the leaker would likely have given a more obvious hint. This one is also vague, so I don't know.
Cards: This is either Paper Mario or Hanafuda Captain. I lean more towards Paper Mario given how he fought in Paper Mario Color Splash, which was well under development in December 2015 and could've been used as a point of reference if Sakurai wanted to add him and reflect his most recent iteration. Hanafuda Captain is also possible though. Yugi Muto is a darkhorse third party pick here (Come on, Pokémon vs. Yugioh would be hype to the max).Elma also has the whole alien species who provided humanity with technology and has humanity's consciousness stored in a computer thing going for her too.
Prime: Dark Samus. Not hard to figure out.
Edgy: Shadow. Also not hard.
Dog: Isabelle. She is a dog.
Asthma: Ninten. He is the only character in Mother 0 to be inflicted with the status condition Asthma, which makes him miss turns
Blue Hair: Chrom. Another blue haired swordfighter.
Lego: Minecraft. It is often compared to Legos.
Merchant Egg: Someone on 4chan said Magalor?
Octopus: Either DJ Octavio or Octolings.
Divine: Either Viridi or the Champions from BOTW
Dad: Cranky Kong?
Pig: I don't know. If we get a pig-like AT confirmed though, we'll know.
Anybody else want to take a try at this one?
Also, who do you think the "source" might be? I can't think of anyone we're all well aware of that fits the bill. Vergeben's source maybe? Gematsu's source? I don't know.
Believe it or not, no. It's not even a reptile.
Oh, thanks for that insight.
Meta Knight got it too, there were even people hoping Meta Knight would get cut. Then Ice Climbers got the same, yet so many complained when they actually got cut and wanted them back, despite ICs being potentially the most unpopular character in Smash and barely anyone playing them that weren't just abusing their broken chain grabs in competitive play.I have a feeling that even though she's gonna be nerfed hard, people still won't like her. Bayo has garnered a lot of vitriol despite, as you said, not being nearly as dominant as Meta Knight was in Brawl. In all of the reactions I've watched, whenever Bayo showed up, people were either indifferent or outright booing her.
Poor Bayonetta, man.
From everything I read, it was more that Bayonetta was boring to watch than the fact that she was dominant. Melee Fox is pretty dominant but he's also ****ing insane to watch, high level Melee matches are like ****ing DBZ fights. If Bayonetta matches are anything like the what happened to Ridley during the invitational, I can understand why watching a character be carried to the top of the screen over and over again would be hype killing.I have a feeling that even though she's gonna be nerfed hard, people still won't like her. Bayo has garnered a lot of vitriol despite, as you said, not being nearly as dominant as Meta Knight was in Brawl. In all of the reactions I've watched, whenever Bayo showed up, people were either indifferent or outright booing her.
Poor Bayonetta, man.
Look.
If what I'm reading is right, Bayo's data was added 2 weeks after the ballot started. What I'm taking away is Bayo had a lot of votes early on and Sakurai picked her, even if she wasn't the most requested everywhere. So most of the ballot was there to gain data while only the first weeks of it actually decided a fighter. Doesn't really seem like anything to be upset about to me. I mean it's not like they picked a character that had no fanbase. People really did want Bayonetta, and if the real ballot winner was someone like K. Rool and he makes it in this game I don't see what the fuss is about.
This right here, even though it's a smaller poll, shows why I think the marketing for Ultimate is "Everyone is here". People wanted all the vets back, and then there's Inklings who were the very first thing revealed for Ultimate.I'm usually pretty off-topic, but with everyone talking about the ballot stuff, I got really excited and had to pull up this old thing:
And this was in JAPAN. If Sakurai said that he was put in because of his popularity in the West, I can't even imagine what we're about to see over the next few months. With all cut fighters returning, let's look at the remaining characters on here:
> The elephant in the room is K.Rool. He tops the graph here, and like many people have been saying, if he's not in the game at all at this point, it'll be a huge surprise.
> Bandanna Dee. I was never a huge fan of him, but it'll be nice to see the Kirby fighters padded up to a complete set of 4. He'll probably get in over Mag, though (or maybe Mag will make it in as an AT).
> Inkling is already in. She isn't the most popular fighter here, but it makes sense why she was revealed first. If K.Rool is your most requested fighter here, why reveal him first? Sakurai is actually in a really good position here: by revealing Ridley first, he got people extremely hyped for the game, but he still has another ace up his sleeve to get people back to maximum hype before release.
> Geno. With Magolor and all the returning fighters taken off the graph, we have Geno to make for the perfect sixth newcomer. Yay! <3
> Banjo-Kazooie. Probably better suited for DLC, but definitely the beginning of the "maybe, maybe not" territory.
I was mistaken. Regardless, it's not an accurate indicator of who the Japanese voted for.I'm usually pretty off-topic, but with everyone talking about the ballot stuff, I got really excited and had to pull up this old thing:
And this was in JAPAN. If Sakurai said that he was put in because of his popularity in the West, I can't even imagine what we're about to see over the next few months. With all cut fighters returning, let's look at the remaining characters on here:
> The elephant in the room is K.Rool. He tops the graph here, and like many people have been saying, if he's not in the game at all at this point, it'll be a huge surprise.
> Bandanna Dee. I was never a huge fan of him, but it'll be nice to see the Kirby fighters padded up to a complete set of 4. He'll probably get in over Mag, though (or maybe Mag will make it in as an AT).
> Inkling is already in. She isn't the most popular fighter here, but it makes sense why she was revealed first. If K.Rool is your most requested fighter here, why reveal him first? Sakurai is actually in a really good position here: by revealing Ridley first, he got people extremely hyped for the game, but he still has another ace up his sleeve to get people back to maximum hype before release.
> Geno. With Magolor and all the returning fighters taken off the graph, we have Geno to make for the perfect sixth newcomer. Yay! <3
> Banjo-Kazooie. Probably better suited for DLC, but definitely the beginning of the "maybe, maybe not" territory.
This isn't the case though, 1.0.6's data would have been done quite a bit before it actually released (it was probably older than the two weeks at that point), then the process of deciding Bayo, getting her licensing finished, and starting development on her would be very doubtful to have occurred within two weeks. Then combine that with how 1.0.6's data was older than its actual release date, and it's just completely infeasible for Bayo to have been chosen off of very initial Ballot results.
If I remember right, that was just Source Gaming asking people in Japan who they voted for, and not an accurate representation of the actual poll results. I mean, it's probably accurate enough, but I'm just sayin' certain characters were probably higher or lower than what this chart shows.I'm usually pretty off-topic, but with everyone talking about the ballot stuff, I got really excited and had to pull up this old thing:
And this was in JAPAN. If Sakurai said that he was put in because of his popularity in the West, I can't even imagine what we're about to see over the next few months. With all cut fighters returning, let's look at the remaining characters on here:
> The elephant in the room is K.Rool. He tops the graph here, and like many people have been saying, if he's not in the game at all at this point, it'll be a huge surprise.
> Bandanna Dee. I was never a huge fan of him, but it'll be nice to see the Kirby fighters padded up to a complete set of 4. He'll probably get in over Mag, though (or maybe Mag will make it in as an AT).
> Inkling is already in. She isn't the most popular fighter here, but it makes sense why she was revealed first. If K.Rool is your most requested fighter here, why reveal him first? Sakurai is actually in a really good position here: by revealing Ridley first, he got people extremely hyped for the game, but he still has another ace up his sleeve to get people back to maximum hype before release.
> Geno. With Magolor and all the returning fighters taken off the graph, we have Geno to make for the perfect sixth newcomer. Yay! <3
> Banjo-Kazooie. Probably better suited for DLC, but definitely the beginning of the "maybe, maybe not" territory.
And look every veteran there as returned, Krystal is now an assist trophy and Cloud, Bayonetta and Inkling are now in,I'm usually pretty off-topic, but with everyone talking about the ballot stuff, I got really excited and had to pull up this old thing:
And this was in JAPAN. If Sakurai said that he was put in because of his popularity in the West, I can't even imagine what we're about to see over the next few months. With all cut fighters returning, let's look at the remaining characters on here:
> The elephant in the room is K.Rool. He tops the graph here, and like many people have been saying, if he's not in the game at all at this point, it'll be a huge surprise.
> Bandanna Dee. I was never a huge fan of him, but it'll be nice to see the Kirby fighters padded up to a complete set of 4. He'll probably get in over Mag, though (or maybe Mag will make it in as an AT).
> Inkling is already in. She isn't the most popular fighter here, but it makes sense why she was revealed first. If K.Rool is your most requested fighter here, why reveal him first? Sakurai is actually in a really good position here: by revealing Ridley first, he got people extremely hyped for the game, but he still has another ace up his sleeve to get people back to maximum hype before release.
> Geno. With Magolor and all the returning fighters taken off the graph, we have Geno to make for the perfect sixth newcomer. Yay! <3
> Banjo-Kazooie. Probably better suited for DLC, but definitely the beginning of the "maybe, maybe not" territory.
