Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[KingofPhantoms]

One thing that has been debated over time, but yes Sakurai confirmed that Bandai Namco is indeed working on the game once again. This is a good thing seeing how it’s the same team that can improve on what they know and allow Sakurai to not make a new team from scratch.

I'm hardly surprised that Namco is working on the next one. They did a great job last time, and I wouldn't have thought they'd be opposed to returning to work on another Smash project considering it's success and that their current relationship with Nintendo is going pretty well.

I think it's worth noting that Sakurai considers Smash his highest priority whenever Nintendo does another one should be released and asks him to work on it. Maybe a future Smash game will be directed by the man again after all? They do also mention that it's a possibility that Sakurai won't be involved with it, but it sounds like it could go either way. It all depends on Sakurai's own decision when the time eventually comes.

That said I doubt we'll get another Smash game any time soon after this one, and I'd rather that be the case. This game already looks outstanding, so we should be able to savor it several years to come. On top of that folks at Nintendo are already mentioning that another one is unlikely to release any time soon after this one.

How would you guys feel if there were unlockable skins / pallet swaps and which ones would you want?

I ask this because of the Meta Ridley thing that popped earlier, and I thought "What if it's an unlockable skin?" and here we are. I'd honestly love for Wedding Bowser / Peach, Cosmic Rosalina, Spikey-Ear Pichu, and TP Link / Zelda / Ganondorf.

EDIT: Before someone is a butt and points out the Zelda skin: I K N O W

I've been waiting for Outset Toon Link for a long time. Wouldn't complain too much if it was unlockable, though I would hope you'd get more out of an individual reward than only one alternate palette/costume, considering how many fighters the base roster of the game is going to have (assuming most characters would have unlockable alts, at least)

Would also really like to see Hyrule Warriors Ganondorf and a Mr. L costume for Luigi.

Brinstar Depths has a new remix on the official site, so I think it's nearly confirmed to be back.

Really?

This is great news. I'm not gonna get my hopes up too high though, since previous games used Brinstar Depths' track on other Metroid stages instead. Fingers crossed that it really does come back.

 

[Omega Tyrant]

ONE LAST THING,

Sakurai said that, “There is a lot of new and interesting games, but Smash truly is special”.

I suppose this could mean that with the many other games that come out, Smash is eventually prioritized, this could also mean that Sakurai takes new games into consideration for representation albeit characters, stages, and music, etc. when developing Smash.

That was his response to other people telling him he should work on other games, and on why he chooses to work on Smash instead of other games.

 

[KMDP]

I thought we were talking about lesser known IP's not lesser known characters.

The effect that bolsters franchises can also bolster characters.

 

[RandomAce]

That was his response to other people telling him he should work on other games, and on why he chooses to work on Smash instead of other games.

Well that as well, but I also wanted to add it.

 

[SmashChu]

Sakurai finally released his second part of his famitsu column and gave a lot more information.

https://mobile.twitter.com/AllSourceGaming/status/1011992581461430273

One thing that has been debated over time, but yes Sakurai confirmed that Bandai Namco is indeed working on the game once again. This is a good thing seeing how it’s the same team that can improve on what they know and allow Sakurai to not make a new team from scratch.

He also said that he has to cooperate with EVERY publisher. Which can also include second party companies for their approval and what their characters’ limitations are, and with so many publishers he barely got them all aboard, which suggests why Sakurai stated it was a risk. This also explains why Sakurai stated that he does not think another Smash game with all previous fighters will happen again. Getting all the publishers to agree and allow their characters to be in Smash is such a big gamble.

Finally one interesting thing I noticed is that he said how Smash can lead a big impact to other games outside of it, meaning that Sakurai is well aware on how franchises getting exposure from Smash can benefit from it in the long run. I’m hoping this means that he might be interesting in adding content and even characters from lesser known IP’s like Golden Sun and Advance Wars. (One can dream).

EDIT: A couple of things I haven’t mentioned yet.

Sakurai also said that he gets requests and knows that people want him to work on other projects. However, Nintendo makes the call when Smash should get made, and priotizes it. This can also mean that Nintendo asked Sakurai to prepare for the new Smash game in late 2015 for the “NX”, which explains his first proposal and all that.

FINALLY, Sakurai explains that Smash is huge collaborative undertaking and is Nintendo “Primere” title. He also said that it’s natural for people to expect newcomers along with veterans, but implies that it takes a lot of man power to make it happen. This probably implies with what he said about Ultimate being the perfect (and only) time bring everyone back.

Just to clarify. Second party games are published by Nintendo (they're called 2nd party since its a Nintendo published game but wasn't made by Nintendo or its subsidiaries). He would be referring to the guest characters since those are different publishers (Konami, Sega, Capcom, Square Enix, Namco Bandai).
What he said sort of confirms my thinking. I expected we wouldn't get any new guest since they had to negotiate all the old characters and Sakurai notes the difficulty. I have a feeling my theory is right, but we'll see. I've been wrong before.

 

[Omega Tyrant]

Really?

This is great news. I'm not gonna get my hopes up too high though, since previous games used Brinstar Depths' track on other Metroid stages instead. Fingers crossed that it really does come back.

Here is a link to it.

Just using the old track is one thing as most old songs were brought back and reused in Brawl and Smash 4, but I don't see why Sakurai would choose to make a new remix for this specific song if he wasn't going to bring the stage back.

 

[RandomAce]

Just to clarify. Second party games are published by Nintendo (they're called 2nd party since its a Nintendo published game but wasn't made by Nintendo or its subsidiaries). He would be referring to the guest characters since those are different publishers (Konami, Sega, Capcom, Square Enix, Namco Bandai).
What he said sort of confirms my thinking. I expected we wouldn't get any new guest since they had to negotiate all the old characters and Sakurai notes the difficulty. I have a feeling my theory is right, but we'll see. I've been wrong before.

Well tthanks for that. However he still did say that it was difficult to get them on board. Which indicates why he doesn’t think a game with the entire roster will happen again.

And how hard it is to get another third party.

 

[TMNTSSB4]

Sakurai finally released his second part of his famitsu column and gave a lot more information.

https://mobile.twitter.com/AllSourceGaming/status/1011992581461430273

One thing that has been debated over time, but yes Sakurai confirmed that Bandai Namco is indeed working on the game once again. This is a good thing seeing how it’s the same team that can improve on what they know and allow Sakurai to not make a new team from scratch.

He also said that he has to cooperate with EVERY publisher. Which can also include second party companies for their approval and what their characters’ limitations are, and with so many publishers he barely got them all aboard, which suggests why Sakurai stated it was a risk. This also explains why Sakurai stated that he does not think another Smash game with all previous fighters will happen again. Getting all the publishers to agree and allow their characters to be in Smash is such a big gamble.

Finally one interesting thing I noticed is that he said how Smash can lead a big impact to other games outside of it, meaning that Sakurai is well aware on how franchises getting exposure from Smash can benefit from it in the long run. I’m hoping this means that he might be interesting in adding content and even characters from lesser known IP’s like Golden Sun and Advance Wars. (One can dream).

EDIT: A couple of things I haven’t mentioned yet.

Sakurai also said that he gets requests and knows that people want him to work on other projects. However, Nintendo makes the call when Smash should get made, and priotizes it. This can also mean that Nintendo asked Sakurai to prepare for the new Smash game in late 2015 for the “NX”, which explains his first proposal and all that.

FINALLY, Sakurai explains that Smash is huge collaborative undertaking and is Nintendo “Primere” title. He also said that it’s natural for people to expect newcomers along with veterans, but implies that it takes a lot of man power to make it happen. This probably implies with what he said about Ultimate being the perfect (and only) time bring everyone back.

Now that’s just crazy...but Sakurai had to have been beyond satisfied with getting EVERYONE in the game

 

[Freduardo]

Metal Sonic would be a more fun echo fighter of Sonic than Shadow.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

How would you guys feel if there were unlockable skins / pallet swaps and which ones would you want?

I ask this because of the Meta Ridley thing that popped earlier, and I thought "What if it's an unlockable skin?" and here we are. I'd honestly love for Wedding Bowser / Peach, Cosmic Rosalina, Spikey-Ear Pichu, and TP Link / Zelda / Ganondorf.

EDIT: Before someone is a butt and points out the Zelda skin: I K N O W

So much yes! I'm even up for DLC packs for costumes!

: Hyrule Warriors, Twilight Princess, BotW Desert Voe set
: Twilight Princess, TP Magic Armor, HW Trainee tunic, BotW Snowquill set, TP Sumo pants (lol)
: Actual shiny
: Mr. L
: Jumpman, Fire Mario
: Movie 1 armor
: Shadow Queen
: Strikers gear
: Team Rocket grunt (Squirtle Squad shades, Black rose Ivy, Shiny Zard)
: Island gear
: Ocarina of Time, Twilight Princess, BotW Royal Gown, BotW Prayer dress, LttP Casual dress

 

[Hinata]

Now that’s just crazy...but Sakurai had to have been beyond satisfied with getting EVERYONE in the game

Y'all hear the interview where Sakurai told everyone that when he told his team he wanted to bring everyone back, he was met with absolute dead silence?

 

[ToddCam]

EDIT: Before someone is a butt and points out the Zelda skin: I K N O W

What is this referring to?

 

[KingofPhantoms]

Here is a link to it.

Just using the old track is one thing as most old songs were brought back and reused in Brawl and Smash 4, but I don't see why Sakurai would choose to make a new remix for this specific song if he wasn't going to bring the stage back.

This remix is just beautiful....

And that's true. Seems more likely than not that the stage is returning. If it really is, then I can't wait to see what it's going to look now.

 

[Zinith]

How would you guys feel if there were unlockable skins / pallet swaps and which ones would you want?

I ask this because of the Meta Ridley thing that popped earlier, and I thought "What if it's an unlockable skin?" and here we are. I'd honestly love for Wedding Bowser / Peach, Cosmic Rosalina, Spikey-Ear Pichu, and TP Link / Zelda / Ganondorf.

EDIT: Before someone is a butt and points out the Zelda skin: I K N O W

Oh, by the way, in considering more skins for Yoshi, you do realize Yoshi's Woolly World opened a whole can of worms on Yoshi alt skins right? You can give Yoshi a color scheme of ANYTHING, even the other Smash fighters...

 

[Takasmash]

Hey realize there's has not been one KIU Assist Trophy shown at E3 wonder that means.

 

[Dracyoshi]

Earlier I said that I wouldn't support new fighter DLC, but I would DEFINITELY support and purchase costume DLC. Especially if you have costumes like the Koopaling and Alph costumes that transform the character without any gameplay changes. It'd be awesome.
Cosmetic DLC is the way to go.

 

[CJ Falcon]

Hey realize there's has not been one KIU Assist Trophy shown at E3 wonder that means.

Does anyone other than hardcore fans honestly want another Palutena's Mirror character?

 

[Iridium]

Spoiler: An ADDITIONAL Batch of Rage 2018 Summer VoDs.

Well, here is more gameplay of SSBU, mostly for , & ! So, what do you guys think of what you see.

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

Hey realize there's has not been one KIU Assist Trophy shown at E3 wonder that means.

It means that a Kid Icarus assist trophy hasn't been revealed yet.

Crazy, I know.

 

[Takasmash]

Maybe we wont get a new KIU character hope not I do want Medusa or Hades.

 

[Dracyoshi]

oh! Additional realization: Costume DLC could get us characters like Boshi without them being needed to be made a full echo fighter. Also, maybe Meta Ridley wasn't in the demo because it's planned launch cosmetic DLC... Nah, probably not. Likely just unfinished. But it's possible.

 

[Zinith]

It means that a Kid Icarus assist trophy hasn't been revealed yet.

Crazy, I know.

Random Centurion confirmed playable!!!

 

[Idon]

oh! Additional realization: Costume DLC could get us characters like Boshi without them being needed to be made a full echo fighter. Also, maybe Meta Ridley wasn't in the demo because it's planned launch cosmetic DLC... Nah, probably not. Likely just unfinished. But it's possible.

Nah, screw launch DLC.
That's literally content that's cut off from the game to be sold to you before the game's even out.

Cancerous as hell business practice that I hope Nintendo doesn't engage in.

 

[Freduardo]

Hey realize there's has not been one KIU Assist Trophy shown at E3 wonder that means.

Magnus and Phosphora confirmed

 

[Takasmash]

Magnus and Phosphora confirmed

Oh really didn't know or see.

 

[ToddCam]

I'm sad that the Echo Fighter has devolved into arguments about who is "cursed" with being "just" an Echo Fighter. I really think that people are taking Nate and Bill's description of Echo Fighter way too seriously. Sakurai's own definition was vague as hell.

Anyway, Tails would be my #1 Sonic second rep pick, followed in order by Eggman, Knuckles (disconfirmed), Amy Rose, Shadow.

 

[KMDP]

oh! Additional realization: Costume DLC could get us characters like Boshi without them being needed to be made a full echo fighter. Also, maybe Meta Ridley wasn't in the demo because it's planned launch cosmetic DLC... Nah, probably not. Likely just unfinished. But it's possible.

Meta Ridley could be free (or cheap) DLC to get people on board with the idea, yeah.
...
...
I mean... maybe?

 

[Zinith]

oh! Additional realization: Costume DLC could get us characters like Boshi without them being needed to be made a full echo fighter. Also, maybe Meta Ridley wasn't in the demo because it's planned launch cosmetic DLC... Nah, probably not. Likely just unfinished. But it's possible.

I'm a "make Boshi a legit fighter" person, but I'm more than content to just get an alt. Although the DLC method kinda seems off...

 

[Takasmash]

http://boards.4chan.org/v/thread/422208494

Another rumor with no Rayman oh c mon.

 

[Murlough]

Meta Ridley could be free (or cheap) DLC to get people on board with the idea, yeah.
...
...
I mean... maybe?

I'd really prefer we didn't entertain the idea. Smash has done a phenomenal job with DLC thus far, lets not doubt them now.

 

[KMDP]

I'm sad that the Echo Fighter has devolved into arguments about who is "cursed" with being "just" an Echo Fighter. I really think that people are taking Nate and Bill's description of Echo Fighter way too seriously. Sakurai's own definition was vague as hell.

Anyway, Tails would be my #1 Sonic second rep pick, followed in order by Eggman, Knuckles (disconfirmed), Amy Rose, Shadow.

I was initially on board with the Echo Fighter idea, and then people started suggesting anyone and everyone under the sun as an Echo Fighter and I pared back my enthusiasm.

I... curbed it... if you will.

 

[Dracyoshi]

Yeah, I'd rather not have launch DLC. Cutting content that could've been in the base game just to sell it is rather scummy. Not the worst DLC practice at least

http://boards.4chan.org/v/thread/422208494

Another rumor with no Rayman oh c mon.

This reminds me of the leadup to E3 2018 where Animal Crossing would never even pop up in fake leaks. You know they're fake, but when even fake leakers are acting like it won't happen you know the chances are low.

 

[SquashiniKun]

http://boards.4chan.org/v/thread/422208494

Another rumor with no Rayman oh c mon.

Since the computer i'm using has 4chan blocked, can you paste the leak here?

 

[Dracyoshi]

Since the computer i'm using has 4chan blocked, can you paste the leak here?

These are the dates were they will be announced on the Smash Blog in Japan Time.

>July 9th
King K Rool
>August 1st
Issac
>September 26th
Simon
>October 29th
Saki Amamiya
>December 5th
Elma

I don't know who will be announced on November, go guess what character that appears in weekdays in November .

 

[KMDP]

>August 1st
Issac

The dead giveaway this leak is fake.
August 1st is the release date of Golden Sun 1, as we have already discussed, Smash Bros. has never done this (at least not for newcomers). And this is coming from someone who wants Isaac.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

I mean...

I'm kind of the sucker that bought every Mii costume, fighter and stage for both Smash Bros Wii U and 3DS.

I'll buy anything but DLC that's available at launch puts a sour taste in my mouth.

That said. I'll pay lots of money for more DLC characters and stages.

 

[Dukeofdeath5]

Saki Amamiya Leaks?

In 2018?

 

[KMDP]

Saki Amamiya Leaks?

In 2018?

It's more likely than you think!

 

[Takasmash]

https://mynintendonews.com/2018/06/28/reggie-sakurai-will-be-aware-of-the-groundswell-

Read this Waluigi fans the reasons why Waluigi cant be in Smash Bros.

 

[Jedisupersonic]

How would you guys feel if there were unlockable skins / pallet swaps and which ones would you want?

I ask this because of the Meta Ridley thing that popped earlier, and I thought "What if it's an unlockable skin?" and here we are. I'd honestly love for Wedding Bowser / Peach, Cosmic Rosalina, Spikey-Ear Pichu, and TP Link / Zelda / Ganondorf.

EDIT: Before someone is a butt and points out the Zelda skin: I K N O W

: Her nintendo outfits from Wii U Bayo 1 & Bayo 2.
: Wedding Bowser, Meowser
: Uhhh kinda set already
: Helmetless Falcon
: Shinra Grunt
: Nohr Noble, Hoshido Noble
: Not sure
: Boxer DK
: Just give him NES Golf Colors too
: Not sure
: Assault outfit
: Assault outfit
: Hyrule Warriors
: Ash-Greninja
: Not Sure
: Lord & Vanguard to go with both his PoR & RD designs
: Octoling
: HEADBAND
: Masked Dedede
: Galaxia Kirby or more colors like the Emerald Kirby
: Skyward Sword, Hyrule Warriors Scarf
: Super Punch Out! Little Mac
: Shiny
: Morning Lucas
: Mr. L or Dr. Luigi
: Hammer Bro Suit, Tanooki Suit
: Pantless FE1 Marth, Wedding Marth, Fire Emblem Warriors Promotion
: An actual Masked Alt with the shorter hair
: Roll
: Galaxia or a full out Dark Metaknight skin
: Armored Mewtwo
: Not sure
: Morning Ness
: Is pretty set
: Ms. Pac-Man
: Not sure
: Nurse Peach
: Strikers Daisy
: Pichu Brothers
: is Set
: Hyrule Warriors
: NES Pit
: NES inspired Dark Pit
: Ash inspired alt for them Anime fans
: Is set by the looks of it
: Not sure
Morgan or Heroes Alts
: Biker Rosalina
: Full on Awakening Alt or his heroes alt that is inspired by Eliwood
: Bearded Ryu or Shirtless Ryu
: Fusion Suit but more indepth
: High Entia Armor
: Big Boss
: Sonic Adventure 2 alts or (I can't believe i'm saying this) Boom Sonic
: Pajama/Morning Link
: FLAME SHIRT
: Kinda set already
: Set already
: Assault based look
: Boshi or White Yoshi
: More Majora's Mask inspired design or the HW one with the mask on his head.
: OoT Zelda, TP, HW any Zelda, but this one is super cute so I doubt we'd change it
: Super Metroid black ZSS or "Justin Bailey"