Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Arcadenik]

1. Who the **** is Rush?

One of the Battletoads.

Battletoads had games on the NES and SNES.

 

[RandomAce]

One of the Battletoads.

Battletoads had games on the NES and SNES.

I thought he meant Rush from Megaman.

 

[RileyXY1]

1. Who the **** is Rush?
2. They aren't nerfing Bayo that hard. No way, no how.....probably. like I want her to be nerfed but thats just excessive. Imo remove the thriple (and by extension quadruple) jump glitch and see where that leaves her.

Rash is from Battletoads, a TMNT knockoff made by Rare. I highly doubt that he's getting in.

 

[Omega Tyrant]

Ironically, Ike's u-air was one of the strongest u-airs, in terms of knockback dealt; it can KO fighters sooner than Donkey Kong's u-air, which deals 13% damage.

Its knockback was among the strongest, but other similar strength and stronger uairs were also a lot faster. Same for his smashes; they had among the absolutely slowest frame data in the game, yet there were still several smashes around as strong or stronger that still had great range but with a lot less startup and/or ending lag. As such, that's why I think they were underpowered (or too slow, making them faster would have been acceptable too, though 11% uair is still ****ty damage for a power character).

 

[Jedisupersonic]

I really hope Falco is more like his Brawl self. He was more fun that way.

Ike too.

Smash 4 made Falco too slow and Ike felt too week.

Something I really liked about Smash 4 Ike was his half grappler status, but he did feel a bit weaker.

Part of why I'm probably gonna use him but also Cloud for mus I'm not comfortable with at EVO.

 

[Arcadenik]

Rash and Banjo-Kazooie would be pretty cool.

Rash for the NES nostalgia. Banjo-Kazooie for the N64 nostalgia. Hmm... needs more SNES nostalgia. Guess that's where King K. Rool and Dixie Kong come in.

 

[TMNTSSB4]

1. Who the **** is Rush?
2. They aren't nerfing Bayo that hard. No way, no how.....probably. like I want her to be nerfed but thats just excessive. Imo remove the thriple (and by extension quadruple) jump glitch and see where that leaves her.

1. Isn’t that the dog of Mega Man and/or a Battletoad?
2. Bayo needs some damage nerfs to most of her moves...and also take away that triple jump

Konami is also showing not that much of interest in Castlevania lately.

Konami isn’t interested in most things these days

 

[KMDP]

Rash is from Battletoads, a TMNT knockoff made by Rare. I highly doubt that he's getting in.

The first Rare characters Sakurai would want to get (after Diddy Kong) would be Dixie Kong, K. Rool (not that they need permission to use them or anything) or Banjo.

 

[Jedisupersonic]

One of the Battletoads.

Battletoads had games on the NES and SNES.

Also Genesis, and amazingly getting a new game after Rash was a guest in the new Killer Instinct and one of the guest fights in Shovel Knight.

 

[splat]

Thanks for everyone who replied to my post about about 12 newcomers.

Here’s a challenge for you all,
Since the OG12 seems to hold such an importance this time around. Let’s do a 12 Newcomers list. They can be predicted, wanted, or both. Rules are 8 original/unique characters (2 of which have already been revealed in Inkling and Ridley, so you only need 6 more.) 2 semi-clones, and 2 Echoes (1 of which is Daisy, so you really only need 1 more.)

And....GO!

Inkling • Ridley • Chibi-Robo • Bandana Dee • Captain Toad • King K. Rool • Infantry Unit • Chorus Kids
Dixie Kong • Impa
Daisy • Chrom

I’d use my custom icons but it’s a bit hard on mobile. Most of them are in my sig either way. Super stoked to see people actually use them, though!

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

Its knockback was among the strongest, but other similar strength and stronger uairs were also a lot faster. Same for his smashes; they had among the absolutely slowest frame data in the game, yet there were still several smashes around as strong or stronger that still had great range but with a lot less startup and/or ending lag. As such, that's why I think they were underpowered (or too slow, making them faster would have been acceptable too, though 11% uair is still ****ty).

Now you know how I feel about Palutena's issues. Her f-tilt has too much start-up lag for an attack that has poor KO potency; there are f-tilts that have less start-up lag, AND much better KO potential, which is the case with Ike, Shulk, and Link. Even Ganondorf's f-tilt strikes faster, and has good KO potential, and he doesn't even use a weapon.

You could decrease the start-up lag for Palutena's f-tilt, but because we're talking about hitboxes being attached to Palutena's staff, and Palutena doesn't rebound when the hitboxes clang, complaints could brew up if the hitboxes become active as early as frame 5.

 

[ratmon19]

1.inkling
2.ridley
3.king k. Rool
4.ashley
5.simon Belmont
6.geno
7. rhythm heaven rep
8.bandana see

9.isabelle
10.medusa

11.daisy
12.funky Kong

I really want lip but I don't think is gonna happen also wanted to put elma, skull kid or crash somewhere on the list

 

[AlphaSSB]

I really hope Falco is more like his Brawl self. He was more fun that way.

Ike too.

Smash 4 made Falco too slow and Ike felt too weak.

Falco is the character from Smash 4 I want buffed the most. He was a massive threat in Melee and Brawl, but was absolutely neutered in Smash 4. I think some of the speed improvements may help him, but with some of the changes people are reporting with Fox, I'm worried. If Fox Illusion and Falco Phantasm don't pass through shield anymore, than looks like the whole Star Fox cast may take a hard hit in terms of viability. We'll see if that was just a bug though. The game's not done yet, and so I expect many aspects will change upon release.

As for Ike, I really don't like Fire Emblem, but he's always been a favorite Smasher of mine, and buffs would certainly be welcome. Always liked how he played, being a hard-hitting character. I do think the general speed improvements in Ultimate are going to help out Ike a good bit, though.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Here's a question for you Zelda fans out there.


I'm going to list some potential Zelda characters.

I want you to say how likely you think they are and how much you want them and why.

I won't be using deconfirmed characters like Midna, Tingle or Ghirahim. Sorry.

• Marin
• Darunia
• Ruto
• Impa
• Skull Kid
• Fierce Diety Link
• Vaati
• Tetra
• King Daphnes
• Medli
• Toon Zelda
• Toon Ganondorf
• Agitha
• Zant
• Linebeck
• Byrne
• Fi
• Groose
• Demise
• Ravio
• Hilda
• Yuga
• Lana
• Cia
• Linkle
• Volga
• Wizzro
• Urbosa
• Revali
• Daruk
• Mipha

That should cover everyone...

 

[Arcanir]

Few more text leaks. The count has been updated to see fit.

Spoiler: Leak 1

https://boards.fireden.net/v/thread/421698046/#421698046
-Incineroar (NOT decidueye)
-Waluigi (Assist Trophy was a Red Herring)
-Crash Bandicoot
-Steve (Minecraft)
-Master Chief (Not Kidding.)

Spoiler: Leak 2

https://boards.fireden.net/v/thread/421726763/#421726763
Newcomers: Elma, K. Rool, Ashley, Chorus Men, Simon Belmont, Dark Samus, Dixie Kong, Octolings

This leak has nothing to do with fighters, but has to do with music. Looks interesting.

Spoiler: Leaks: The Musical

https://boards.fireden.net/v/thread/421787520/#421787520
Some of these will be posted on the Smash Bros website towards the release of the game. This is not every new remix, but a few I was able to learn of.

New Donk City - Tee Lopes
Steam Gardens - Jun Chikuma
DK rap - Grant Kirkhope & Shoji Meguro (vocals by Lotus Juice)
Trainer Battle (Pokemon Sun and Moon) - Juninho Masuda
Kirby Star Allies medley - London Symphony Orchestra & Tomoya Ohtani
ARMS medley - Seima Iwahashi and Atsuku Asashi
Battle Against a Weird Opponent - Toby Fox
Ice Climber - London Symphony Orchestra
You Will Recall Our Names - Jun Sunoe
Chocobo - Kors K
Eat Em Up - Taka Inoue
Live and Learn - Yatsunori Mitsuda (vocals by Johnny Gioeli)
Live and Learn (JP) - (vocals by Aoi Yuki)
Fighting Polygon Team (Super Smash Bros.) - Hirukazo Ando

Also why isn't my signature showing up?

That second rumor is the third time I've seen that exact same set-up of characters 'leaked' out, it's really odd how that group keeps getting parroted with little changes.

As for the third, even though I doubt it, I would like to see some of those music choices as I'd imagine those would be great to listen to.

Okay, so since speculation is going to seem dire, I’m going to be making in depth thoughts on some of the characters that people are speculating about. Mostly because I want to get my ideas out there and my opinions on some of the characters people are showcasing and some things I want to get off my chest. Also know that these are my opinions and you may see the stuff I say differently.

Warning: These are going to be ****load wall levels of text.

Starting today I will be sharing my in depth thoughts on Lycanoc.

1: Lycanroc (Midday/Dusk/Midnight)

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As some of you might know, Lycanroc is the Wolf Pokemon from Pokemon Sun and Moon and the evolution of Rockruff. In the original Pokémon Sun and Moon, Rockruff could evolve into one of two forms, Midday Lycanroc in Pokemon Sun during the day, and Midnight Lycanroc in Pokemon Moon during the night. Lycanroc also have geokinetic earth like powers that they specialize in. Dusk was a new form introduced in Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon through a special Rockruff obtained through an event that can evolve during the 5:00 to 5:59 in the morning or afternoon in either version.

Spoiler: Midday and Midnight Lycanroc (Stance Fighter)

Midday and Midnight:

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One of the main reason why I like Lycanroc is it’s concept. The whole concept of Lycanroc is to have two opposites of a whole, a yin and yang sort of opposite.

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Their concept art showcases how the dual evolutions are complete opposites of each other. They have different fur color, stance with midday a quadruped normal looking wolf and midnight a bipedal and more werewolf like, different personalities with one being modest and calm and the other being battle thirsty and fierce, and one being a powerhouse while the other is more speedy and is weaker. This and their more simple designs is what makes me like Lycanroc. They’re two half’s of a whole that demonstrate their contrasts from one another with more simpler characteristics that makes them lovable.

With this, Midday and Midnight were heavily pushed from the beginning of Pokémon Sun and Moon’s hype cycle. With lots merchandising and appearances in the anime (with Midnight and Midday being key battles Ash has to face against Olivia and Gladion respectively). It was obvious Lycanroc was meant to be big from the start.

However, one of the first things I could see as a reason for Sakurai choosing Lycanroc is due to it’s dualistic concept, with having both Midday and Midnight Lycanroc as a stance fighter where they can switch out with either to have a fast quick pressure heavy character and a bait and punish strong character. Both having access to the same moveset but a different special, Stats, and play style. That and along with earth abilities that no one else has, Lycanroc can be a big standout and unique character from the rest of the cast. This unique and integral concept is what makes me think this what Sakurai will find the most interesting and try to implement in the game. That and with Lycanroc already being planned as pushed Pokémon makes this possibility a lot more plausible.

Spoiler: Dusk Lycanroc

Warning: Soon this section’s will make my thoughts on Dusk will @Cutie Gwen’s Lycanroc hatred put to shame.

Dusk:

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Dusk Lycanroc one of the first Pokémon revealed for Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon. It is meant to be an combination of both Lycanroc forms into a single form. Dusk Lycanroc then rose to be the prominent form, being Ash’s signature Pokémon, having lots of merchandise and heavy promotion.

However, I don’t like it as much compared to the other two forms. And if I had to describe my thoughts on Dusk Lycanroc, it would be one word...

Lazy...

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I’m sorry but Dusk Lycanroc is easily the most RUSHED, UNINSPIRING, COPY PASTED, CHEAPILY MADE, BADLY DESINGED pushed piece of trash in Pokemon’s history.

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I mean look at this, LOOK AT THIS! What kind of ATROCITY did they do when developing this form. WAS IT EVEN DEVELOPED AT ALL!? Not only is Dusk Lycanroc’s design a blatant copy of midday with a horn and recoloring and called it a day, how is it even possible when IT’S ****ING CONCEPT ART is literally just ripped from Midday’s concept art. They literally just recolored it, and that’s it and are pushing something that they put little effort into! SCREW THIS FORM! I LOVE IT! BUT F******** THIS FORM!

And it’s a shame, because Dusk looks like an incomplete algomation of the two. Unlike Midday and Midnight Lycanroc who’s designs are more refined to be contrasted from each other, by having Dusk mostly use Midday’s concept art and model, Dusk looks like a recolored Midday, sharing it’s characteristics and has a similar personality to Midday and doesn’t carry many characteristics from Midnight. His stats also don’t really replicate this either. Leaning more on the faster weaker side than a balance, which holds true because Midday’s stance is meant to look more fast and quick, which is what Dusk would also look because it carries Midday’s stance and build. Thus, when looking at the three, it’s more screwed towards midday, instead of being a balance of the two.

Dusk on it’s own has unique traits. Obviously it has rock abilites and a combination of Midday’s and Midnight’s moveset, and it can use it’s stat boost from the anime as well (if Sakurai knows well into that as well, which is quite likely since it’s a simple unique ability). So there is some that can make Dusk Lycanroc stand out on it’s own.

It is no doubt that when Sakurai was selecting a Pokémon to be a newcomer Dusk Lycanroc was most likely available as well and was also probably suggested. However, there is something that I think is what makes Dusk a little bit less likley.

Spoiler: Final Verdict

FINAL VERDICT:
When looking at Lycanroc I can see one of two possibilities.

A) Midday and Midnight:
An earth based stance fighter that can swap between a Day and Night Lycanroc and switch between a quick stage controlling/rushdown character between a bait and punish stronger slower play style.

B) Dusk:
An earth based situation fighter that can use both Midday’s and Midnight’s abilities to adjust in battle and also use a stat boost in some occasions to help it in battle.

Verdict:
In my opinion, I think Midday and Midnight will win out and become our playable stance Pokémon fighter. Yes, Dusk it the one that appears in the anime, yes Dusk is the one that gets the promotion that it gets now. However, having a sole stance fighter AND rock user is what I think Sakurai will find most appealing when it comes to Lycanroc as it can make Lycanroc very different from the rest of the roster (plus Midday and Midnight are still popular and still get promotion from TPC).

Dusk can still be unique but it just isn’t at the level of using both Midday and Midnight as a stance fighter and have to same abilites from Dusk with more, and it’s something I can see Sakurai end up deciding.

Now if Dusk ends up getting in, then I will be disappointed, I only support having Midday and Midnight as it just seems more interesting and can represent Lycanroc much better in it’s design and personalities. Count me out for supporting Dusk as it doesn’t do a good job at all when it comes to being a combination of both forms and looks rather rush and ill-done with very little thought going into it. It’s concept art also proves this, as it’s ripped from Midday’s. I would rather get Decidueye over Dusk.

Yes, a lot of evidence does come from Dusk, but it’s the only form ever talked about when it comes to Lycanroc in both the Lycanroc support thread and speculation, seeing that it’s Dusk or bust as if Dusk were to get deconfirmed it’s a done deal when we have another more interesting possibility.

And with that, I’m done.

Cheers!

I like your concept of a duo fighter with the two forms. I do agree it would more capture the spirit more then just a singular fighter since their duality is a promoted feature of the Pokémon games as a whole and the Lycanroc forms themselves, and it would make for a very unique fighter on top of their current abilities. The only issue I could see is that they could have a similar problem to Zelda/Sheik where one was so superior to the other that people prioritized that character, but this could be a chance to redo the concept and learn from those mistakes.

 

[Omega Tyrant]

I think some of the speed improvements may help him, but with some of the changes people are reporting with Fox, I'm worried. If Fox Illusion and Falco Phantasm don't pass through shield anymore, than looks like the whole Star Fox cast may take a hard hit in terms of viability.

That doesn't matter with Wolf Flash though outside of scarring while the opponent shields (which still usually got you punished). Outside that for Wolf is that f-smash won't crossup anymore at close range, but that too was very punishable on shield anyway even if it did crossup.

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

Offical

Inkling
Ridley
Geno
King k rool
simon belmont
Pokémon rep
Ashley
Rythem heaven rep


Semi clones
Dixie kong
Isabella

Echos
Daisy
Dark samus

Is what I would do

 

[KMDP]

Here's a question for you Zelda fans out there.


I'm going to list some potential Zelda characters.

I want you to say how likely you think they are and how much you want them and why.

I won't be using deconfirmed characters like Midna, Tingle or Ghirahim. Sorry.

• Marin
• Darunia
• Ruto
• Impa
• Skull Kid
• Fierce Diety Link
• Vaati
• Tetra
• King Daphnes
• Medli
• Toon Zelda
• Toon Ganondorf
• Agitha
• Zant
• Linebeck
• Byrne
• Fi
• Groose
• Demise
• Ravio
• Hilda
• Yuga
• Lana
• Cia
• Linkle
• Volga
• Wizzro
• Urbosa
• Revali
• Daruk
• Mipha

That should cover everyone...

I See Fierce Deity Link as a probable Final Smash for Young Link; Hilda and Demise as Alts or Echoes for Zelda and Ganondorf, respectively; Lana (Cia alt) as a good potential newcomer (representing HW), and Impa as either a Shiek echo or Semi-Clone.

Considering how well received Hyrule Warriors was, Lana (or Linkle) have a pretty good chance.
I have higher priorities (i.e. Isaac), though. I think Lana would be great, considering what she can do.

 

[Idon]

Here's a question for you Zelda fans out there.


I'm going to list some potential Zelda characters.

I want you to say how likely you think they are and how much you want them and why.

I won't be using deconfirmed characters like Midna, Tingle or Ghirahim. Sorry.

• Marin
• Darunia
• Ruto
• Impa
• Skull Kid
• Fierce Diety Link
• Vaati
• Tetra
• King Daphnes
• Medli
• Toon Zelda
• Toon Ganondorf
• Agitha
• Zant
• Linebeck
• Byrne
• Fi
• Groose
• Demise
• Ravio
• Hilda
• Yuga
• Lana
• Cia
• Linkle
• Volga
• Wizzro
• Urbosa
• Revali
• Daruk
• Mipha

That should cover everyone...

Gonna be a pessimist and say a hard 0% chance on all of them.
Sakurai clearly has no intention of giving Zelda any more reps than the trio and that likelihood is even more decreased by Sakurai's focus with SSBU is bringing the veterans back, changing them, and telling us not to expect many newcomers.

Though, in my opinion, a Young Link/Fierce Deity (ala HW) mix would've been the coolest character in the entire franchise, if not the entire cast.

 

[KingBroly]

Demise as an alternate for Ganon would be...so underwhelming. But I guess people want 3's of everything. 3 Mario's, 3 Links, 3 Zelda's, 3 Samus's, 3 Falcons, 8 Marths, etc.

 

[P.Kat]

Lowkey If I heard Moon River in smash I'd lose my mind

Jump up Super Star was a purchase breaker, if it wasn't there. I'm serious.

Moon River, I see your a person of culture

I'm in the same boat about Lucario; he's my second favorite pokemon and in Brawl I nearly mained him (I was just better with Dedede/Wolf/Snake and eventually ROB), but in Smash 4 I really disliked the direction they went with him. In Brawl he was more of a "jack of all stats" with the Aura gimmick on top to make him a good but not oppressive character, and then in Smash 4, while the Extreme Speed and Force Palm buffs were really needed, they made him quite a bit slower (especially frame data wise) and significantly decreased the size of his hitboxes, while amping up the effect of Aura to compensate. The result was a slow character with a poor neutral (with Aura Sphere and fear at high percents being his saving grace) and is useless at lower percents (in Brawl while weak he still had a relatively good combo game at low percents and could rack up damage decently, as well as the frame data and hitboxes to still be able to throw out safe moves without needing high damage), who revolves entirely around the Aura gimmick. Viability wise he was about equivalent in Smash 4 to how he was in Brawl (though his tier position more debatable because he's such an extreme character), but I couldn't click with him at all and he is a lot less fun. Hopefully in Smash Ultimate they tone the Aura down some and make him closer to his Brawl version (his Smash U trailer showed a u-tilt to d-smash and a triple fair combo that looked like it was right out of Brawl, so I'm a little hopeful).

This, all of this. To be honest, I hope that Lucario's Aura mechanic does not get nerf, but if that's what it'll take for Lucario's movement speed to increase, and for his frame rate to be shorten (especially Smash attacks, cause EVERY smash attack he has shouldn't HAVE to feel like PUSHING THROUGH A SEA OF SYRUP at the North Pole), then fine nerf it go ahead. At least the bright side is that it looks like all characters are getting speed boost in one way or another and what little I saw of Lucario on Princess Peaches castle looks a lot faster and more agile.

 

[Deleted member]

Here's a question for you Zelda fans out there.


I'm going to list some potential Zelda characters.

I want you to say how likely you think they are and how much you want them and why.

I won't be using deconfirmed characters like Midna, Tingle or Ghirahim. Sorry.

• Marin
• Darunia
• Ruto
• Impa
• Skull Kid
• Fierce Diety Link
• Vaati
• Tetra
• King Daphnes
• Medli
• Toon Zelda
• Toon Ganondorf
• Agitha
• Zant
• Linebeck
• Byrne
• Fi
• Groose
• Demise
• Ravio
• Hilda
• Yuga
• Lana
• Cia
• Linkle
• Volga
• Wizzro
• Urbosa
• Revali
• Daruk
• Mipha

That should cover everyone...

Wait, Tingle got deconfirmed? When?

I'll just go ahead and use the top 5 I like from that list:

5. Marin: I'd say Marin is a low 3% chance of happening. Link's Awakening is a pretty niche game compared to other Zelda games, so I don't think anything from it has any real shot at being in Smash. I personally would like her, even though I haven't played Link's Awakening yet. It just seems like a really fun and quirky Zelda game, and having stuff from it in Smash would be cool.

4. Daruk: I think he sits at 35% chance for me. While I wish I could be more excited at the idea of the BotW Champions, my pessimism on how many actual characters we have left coupled in with my pessimism on Zelda most likely never getting a new rep keep me from being hopeful. I want him a lot because I love Gorons, and I think a Goron in Smash could open up all kinds of interesting ideas for a heavy fighter. I imagine something along the lines of a cross between Ike and DK, if that makes sense.

3. Mipha: See my thoughts on Daruk. As for why I want her, I love Zoras, and Mipha is probably my favorite Zora in the series.

2. Medli: 25% chance. She's only been in one game, which appears to be the problem for most potential Zelda reps. I would love Medli, as she's my most favorite kind of character: Cute, sweet, and full of personality. I would take her over most other potential newcomers, Zelda or otherwise.

1. Skull Kid: 10% chance. While Majora's Mask is massively popular, one off characters generally seem to be snubbed in Smash, and while he was in OoT, it probably isn't viewed as a major enough appearance. Majora's Mask is in my top 3 best games of all time, so needless to say, I would be overjoyed by Skull Kid being in Smash. Even if it will never happen, I can dream, right?

 

[domriver]

Information about the new Mario vs Rabbids DLC has come about with interesting information...
Rabbid Kong isn't the final boss...?

LOL @ rabbid peach - but Interesting though hmmmmmmm King K rool? We shall find out MIDNIGHT!?!

 

[StrangeMann]

LOL @ rabbid peach - but Interesting though hmmmmmmm King K rool? We shall find out MIDNIGHT!?!

Sorry, it looks like Rabbid Kong is actually the final boss. The DLC has you fight him for two separate boss fights.
I really don't understand why you fight him twice, especially when you fight him in the base game already.
His boss fights are half of the boss fights of the DLC. Why tho?

 

[Imadethistoseealeak]

Thanks for everyone who replied to my post about about 12 newcomers.

Here’s a challenge for you all,
Since the OG12 seems to hold such an importance this time around. Let’s do a 12 Newcomers list. They can be predicted, wanted, or both. Rules are 8 original/unique characters (2 of which have already been revealed in Inkling and Ridley, so you only need 6 more.) 2 semi-clones, and 2 Echoes (1 of which is Daisy, so you really only need 1 more.)

And....GO!

Unique
Inkling - Confirmed
Ridley - Confirmed
King K. Rool - Way too popular to pass on
Ashley - I like the idea that the West got their Number 1 and so Japan should get one too
Bandanna Dee - It's about time.
Mimikyu - I'm almost sure we will get a Gen 7, and this game would be Ultimate for me if I could get both Ridley and Mimikyu.
Geno - A fan favorite 3rd party, he's pretty cool I guess.
Joker - "YOU'LL NEVER SEE IT COMING!"

Semi Clones
Dixie Kong - Really the only golden era all star missing from Nintendo.
Isabelle - She popular and cute.

Echo
Daisy - Confirmed.
Impa - Makes way too much sense.

Id love this roster and I only injected a little bias. I don't see my third party choices as super likely though lol.

Inkling • Ridley • Chibi-Robo • Bandana Dee • Captain Toad • King K. Rool • Infantry Unit • Chorus Kids
Dixie Kong • Impa
Daisy • Chrom

I’d use my custom icons but it’s a bit hard on mobile. Most of them are in my sig either way. Super stoked to see people actually use them, though!

Yes! And you should visit my thread to see some of Splat's and others' great work!
https://smashboards.com/threads/newcomer-stock-icons.455706/

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

Few more text leaks. The count has been updated to see fit.

Spoiler: Leak 1

https://boards.fireden.net/v/thread/421698046/#421698046
-Incineroar (NOT decidueye)
-Waluigi (Assist Trophy was a Red Herring)
-Crash Bandicoot
-Steve (Minecraft)
-Master Chief (Not Kidding.)

Spoiler: Leak 2

https://boards.fireden.net/v/thread/421726763/#421726763
Newcomers: Elma, K. Rool, Ashley, Chorus Men, Simon Belmont, Dark Samus, Dixie Kong, Octolings

This leak has nothing to do with fighters, but has to do with music. Looks interesting.

Spoiler: Leaks: The Musical

https://boards.fireden.net/v/thread/421787520/#421787520
Some of these will be posted on the Smash Bros website towards the release of the game. This is not every new remix, but a few I was able to learn of.

New Donk City - Tee Lopes
Steam Gardens - Jun Chikuma
DK rap - Grant Kirkhope & Shoji Meguro (vocals by Lotus Juice)
Trainer Battle (Pokemon Sun and Moon) - Juninho Masuda
Kirby Star Allies medley - London Symphony Orchestra & Tomoya Ohtani
ARMS medley - Seima Iwahashi and Atsuku Asashi
Battle Against a Weird Opponent - Toby Fox
Ice Climber - London Symphony Orchestra
You Will Recall Our Names - Jun Sunoe
Chocobo - Kors K
Eat Em Up - Taka Inoue
Live and Learn - Yatsunori Mitsuda (vocals by Johnny Gioeli)
Live and Learn (JP) - (vocals by Aoi Yuki)
Fighting Polygon Team (Super Smash Bros.) - Hirukazo Ando

Also why isn't my signature showing up?

Leak one

Thumbs down with a raspberry sound

Leak 2

If you want a convincing leak make sure to make sure they are not all safe bets the only not safe bet in that is the Octolings As a inklings echo

Music leak

I'm abstain from this one

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Also Genesis, and amazingly getting a new game after Rash was a guest in the new Killer Instinct and one of the guest fights in Shovel Knight.

They had games on the Game Boy and arcade (only MORE VIOLENT), as well.

Here's a question for you Zelda fans out there.


I'm going to list some potential Zelda characters.

I want you to say how likely you think they are and how much you want them and why.

I won't be using deconfirmed characters like Midna, Tingle or Ghirahim. Sorry.

• Marin
• Darunia
• Ruto
• Impa
• Skull Kid
• Fierce Diety Link
• Vaati
• Tetra
• King Daphnes
• Medli
• Toon Zelda
• Toon Ganondorf
• Agitha
• Zant
• Linebeck
• Byrne
• Fi
• Groose
• Demise
• Ravio
• Hilda
• Yuga
• Lana
• Cia
• Linkle
• Volga
• Wizzro
• Urbosa
• Revali
• Daruk
• Mipha

That should cover everyone...

You forgot Veran and General Onox.

 

[Will]

Joker - "YOU'LL NEVER SEE IT COMING!"

You weren't specific enough, now you must suffer the punishment.

 

[AlphaSSB]

Here's a question for you Zelda fans out there.


I'm going to list some potential Zelda characters.

I want you to say how likely you think they are and how much you want them and why.

I won't be using deconfirmed characters like Midna, Tingle or Ghirahim. Sorry.

• Marin
• Darunia
• Ruto
• Impa
• Skull Kid
• Fierce Diety Link
• Vaati
• Tetra
• King Daphnes
• Medli
• Toon Zelda
• Toon Ganondorf
• Agitha
• Zant
• Linebeck
• Byrne
• Fi
• Groose
• Demise
• Ravio
• Hilda
• Yuga
• Lana
• Cia
• Linkle
• Volga
• Wizzro
• Urbosa
• Revali
• Daruk
• Mipha

That should cover everyone...

I'm just going to cover the few I think have a decent shot. The rest really don't have anything going for them.

Impa - I'm going to go as far as to say she's the most likely newcomer at this point, specifically as an Echo of Sheik. With the Zelda cast all based off their designs from different games, I'd say that opens the door for Impa to appear based off her appearance in Skyward Sword. A Zelda newcomer has been wanted for a while now, and even though Young Link is back, I still wouldn't be surprised to see a new addition, even if she's a clone. Lastly, I'm pretty sure Skyloft is returning, though isn't in any of the Zelda cast's backgrounds on the website. Could be saved for a certain newcomer from Skyward Sword.

Skull Kid - Also possible with Zelda characters based off different eras. His Assist Trophy also has yet to be seen, but that isn't saying too much. I want to say Young Link returning also may give him a small boost, but I doubt it.

Tetra - If the Zelda cast are going to solely remain as Triforce wielders, then Tetra still has a shot. We have three versions of Link, so why not three versions of Zelda to match? We have adult versions of Link and Zelda, then Young Link and Sheik from the Ocarina of Time era. We already have Toon Link from the Wind Waker era, and so Tetra really isn't that far off. Pirate Ship also came back as DLC in Smash 4, but hasn't been seen yet. Could be saved for a certain newcomer from the Wind Waker series to match.

Urbosa - The most likely Champion from Breath of the Wild if you ask me. She has a very unique design, unique abilities, and having a connection with Link and Zelda is definitely a bonus. Plus, she was the BotW development team's favorite, so if Sakurai came looking for a newcomer, there's no doubt that they'd push for her.

Mipha - The runner-up for Urbosa if Sakurai comes looking for a Champion. Her unique weapon and abilities would definitely help her stick out, but I feel that she's overshadowed by Urbosa.

 

[Imadethistoseealeak]

You weren't specific enough, now you must suffer the punishment.

I was this close to specifying! But I was like nah I always specify it, not this time...why Sakurai why

 

[TMNTSSB4]

Now you know how I feel about Palutena's issues. Her f-tilt has too much start-up lag for an attack that has poor KO potency; there are f-tilts that have less start-up lag, AND much better KO potential, which is the case with Ike, Shulk, and Link. Even Ganondorf's f-tilt strikes faster, and has good KO potential, and he doesn't even use a weapon.

You could decrease the start-up lag for Palutena's f-tilt, but because we're talking about hitboxes being attached to Palutena's staff, and Palutena doesn't rebound when the hitboxes clang, complaints could brew up if the hitboxes become active as early as frame 5.

Or...Palutena can become an op top tier character by simply roasting the entire cast other than Pit...all she needs to do is use the Power of Flight against him (or threaten to make him clean his clothes, eat no food, and have no hot spring)

You weren't specific enough, now you must suffer the punishment.

Not entirely against this

 

[Pakky]

Few more text leaks. The count has been updated to see fit.

Spoiler: Leak 1

https://boards.fireden.net/v/thread/421698046/#421698046
-Incineroar (NOT decidueye)
-Waluigi (Assist Trophy was a Red Herring)
-Crash Bandicoot
-Steve (Minecraft)
-Master Chief (Not Kidding.)

Spoiler: Leak 2

https://boards.fireden.net/v/thread/421726763/#421726763
Newcomers: Elma, K. Rool, Ashley, Chorus Men, Simon Belmont, Dark Samus, Dixie Kong, Octolings

This leak has nothing to do with fighters, but has to do with music. Looks interesting.

Spoiler: Leaks: The Musical

https://boards.fireden.net/v/thread/421787520/#421787520
Some of these will be posted on the Smash Bros website towards the release of the game. This is not every new remix, but a few I was able to learn of.

New Donk City - Tee Lopes
Steam Gardens - Jun Chikuma
DK rap - Grant Kirkhope & Shoji Meguro (vocals by Lotus Juice)
Trainer Battle (Pokemon Sun and Moon) - Juninho Masuda
Kirby Star Allies medley - London Symphony Orchestra & Tomoya Ohtani
ARMS medley - Seima Iwahashi and Atsuku Asashi
Battle Against a Weird Opponent - Toby Fox
Ice Climber - London Symphony Orchestra
You Will Recall Our Names - Jun Sunoe
Chocobo - Kors K
Eat Em Up - Taka Inoue
Live and Learn - Yatsunori Mitsuda (vocals by Johnny Gioeli)
Live and Learn (JP) - (vocals by Aoi Yuki)
Fighting Polygon Team (Super Smash Bros.) - Hirukazo Ando

Also why isn't my signature showing up?

-Incineroar (NOT decidueye) Hehehe makes sense
-Waluigi (Assist Trophy was a Red Herring) Okay fam
-Crash Bandicoot Wooo
-Steve (Minecraft) Alright?
-Master Chief (Not Kidding.) Sakurai has forsaken us


Battle Against a Weird Opponent - Toby Fox Go be a meme somewhere else

 

[Will]

Master Chief (Not Kidding.) Sakurai has forsaken us

You mean Sakurai has blessed us.

 

[YoshiandToad]

This is the only Battle Toad I want to see in Smash:

(okay, but seriously Strikers had some great individual theme music)

 

[Troykv]

Thanks for everyone who replied to my post about about 12 newcomers.

Here’s a challenge for you all,
Since the OG12 seems to hold such an importance this time around. Let’s do a 12 Newcomers list. They can be predicted, wanted, or both. Rules are 8 original/unique characters (2 of which have already been revealed in Inkling and Ridley, so you only need 6 more.) 2 semi-clones, and 2 Echoes (1 of which is Daisy, so you really only need 1 more.)

And....GO!

*Insert Fist Bump*

The already confirmed

Ridley
Inkling

More!

K. Rool (Both)
Bandana Waddle Dee (Wanted)
Simon Belmont (Both)
Decidueye (Both)
Elma (Prediction)

My dream <3

Micaiah <3

(Super Wanted)

_________________________________

Semi-Clones

Isabelle (Expected)
Dixie Kong (the perfect way she can be unique without feeling we're using too much time in a character that is extremely similar to Diddy) (Expected)

The Echo Dash Clone Fighters

Daisy (Confirmed)
Shadow (Wanted)

 

[Idon]

​

-Incineroar (NOT decidueye) Hehehe makes sense
-Waluigi (Assist Trophy was a Red Herring) Okay fam
-Crash Bandicoot Wooo
-Steve (Minecraft) Alright?
-Master Chief (Not Kidding.) Sakurai has forsaken us


Battle Against a Weird Opponent - Toby Fox Go be a meme somewhere else

Yo, chill with the emotes.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Few more text leaks. The count has been updated to see fit.

Spoiler: Leak 1

https://boards.fireden.net/v/thread/421698046/#421698046
-Incineroar (NOT decidueye)
-Waluigi (Assist Trophy was a Red Herring)
-Crash Bandicoot
-Steve (Minecraft)
-Master Chief (Not Kidding.)

Spoiler: Leak 2

https://boards.fireden.net/v/thread/421726763/#421726763
Newcomers: Elma, K. Rool, Ashley, Chorus Men, Simon Belmont, Dark Samus, Dixie Kong, Octolings

This leak has nothing to do with fighters, but has to do with music. Looks interesting.

Spoiler: Leaks: The Musical

https://boards.fireden.net/v/thread/421787520/#421787520
Some of these will be posted on the Smash Bros website towards the release of the game. This is not every new remix, but a few I was able to learn of.

New Donk City - Tee Lopes
Steam Gardens - Jun Chikuma
DK rap - Grant Kirkhope & Shoji Meguro (vocals by Lotus Juice)
Trainer Battle (Pokemon Sun and Moon) - Juninho Masuda
Kirby Star Allies medley - London Symphony Orchestra & Tomoya Ohtani
ARMS medley - Seima Iwahashi and Atsuku Asashi
Battle Against a Weird Opponent - Toby Fox
Ice Climber - London Symphony Orchestra
You Will Recall Our Names - Jun Sunoe
Chocobo - Kors K
Eat Em Up - Taka Inoue
Live and Learn - Yatsunori Mitsuda (vocals by Johnny Gioeli)
Live and Learn (JP) - (vocals by Aoi Yuki)
Fighting Polygon Team (Super Smash Bros.) - Hirukazo Ando

Also why isn't my signature showing up?

To those people: Nice try, but Tee Lopes would never do Mario music.

You weren't specific enough, now you must suffer the punishment.

Still a better choice than Shrek.

 

[Pakky]

Still a better choice than Shrek.

Layers though

 

[Omega Tyrant]

Here's a question for you Zelda fans out there.


I'm going to list some potential Zelda characters.

I want you to say how likely you think they are and how much you want them and why.

I won't be using deconfirmed characters like Midna, Tingle or Ghirahim. Sorry.

• Marin
• Darunia
• Ruto
• Impa
• Skull Kid
• Fierce Diety Link
• Vaati
• Tetra
• King Daphnes
• Medli
• Toon Zelda
• Toon Ganondorf
• Agitha
• Zant
• Linebeck
• Byrne
• Fi
• Groose
• Demise
• Ravio
• Hilda
• Yuga
• Lana
• Cia
• Linkle
• Volga
• Wizzro
• Urbosa
• Revali
• Daruk
• Mipha

That should cover everyone...

I think Skull Kid is the only one with a chance as a unique newcomer, because of popularity, unique moveset factor, currently MIA AT, and Majora's Mask 3D being relevant at the time of the project plan proposal, though I would be surprised if he got in. I could maybe see Impa as a Sheik Echo, but that's about it. I don't think the Toon Zelda/Tetra idea will be revisited, as they can't work as Echoes, while lacking the relevancy and appearing less popular than other choices to get in normally (plus I think Sakurai will refrain from doing a 2-in-1 transforming character again).

 

[Megadoomer]

Wait, Tingle got deconfirmed? When?

I'm pretty sure it's because he appeared on the Great Bay stage, though that doesn't seem like 100% confirmation that he won't be playable. There's a few cases, like with Toon Link or (if Pyrosphere returns for Smash Ultimate) Ridley, where characters can be playable while identical descendants/clones are stage elements. It seems to hurt Tingle's chances regardless, but you never know. (unless his assist trophy returns)