Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[MoonlitIllusion]

If It's any consolation. Pokemon Trainer is apparently counted as one character despite being counted as three in the past. At least on the official website. Perhaps they may use that as an excuse to sneak in one more character...

Eitherway, if we don't get a Pokemon newcomer for the base game, I can see one coming along for DLC, probably to promote gen 8 or something...

pokemon trainer is counted as 3 though, it's listed as character 33-35

 

[Koopaul]

It's almost like Lanky Kong and Chunky Kong never existed if the DK Rap is still cutting the Lanky and Chunky segments. Cutting those segments basically makes the DK Rap not very tolerable to listen to.

Lanky and Tiny appeared a few times during the Wii generation. Lanky was a playble character in Barrel Blast.

It's actually DKC3 Nintendo likes to forget about.

 

[Galgatha]

pokemon trainer is counted as 3 though, it's listed as character 33-35

And on the total amount of fighters the game has (65). They aren't including Echo Fighters in that number because in reality it's at 68 right now.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

It's certainly a possibility. It might be another gen 3/5 situation.

Not at all. Both Gen 3 and 5 were already "outdated" by the time Brawl and Smash 4 development respectively began. Generation 7 wouldn't have that problem as it would still be the upcoming Generation by the time development on Ultimate has begun.

 

[Curious Villager]

pokemon trainer is counted as 3 though, it's listed as character 33-35

Really, could have sworn they counted the trainer as one somewhere.

Well Gen 7 is old news for them on a system they won't be making anymore games on. They tend to add characters for promotion/marketing. A Gen 8 DLC character makes sense particularly since the DLC cycle will begin in 2019, the same year Gen 8 is coming out.

It's certainly a possibility. It might be another gen 3/5 situation.

And the curse continues...

 

[Spinosaurus]

Gen 7 is way too successful, popular and marketable to ignore.

Or it could carry on the none-gen 1 odd numbered gen curse. That'd suck!

 

[Pakky]

Gen 7 is the franchise's 20th anniversary game.
Why would they?

If anything they'd double down and have both gen 7 and gen 8.

Presumptuous? Maybe.
Although hmmm.

 

[SSB4Dojo]

Really, could have sworn they counted the trainer as one somewhere.

They did on the about page of the smash site. 66 Fighters. PT is one and all echoes are counted

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

Gen 7 is way too successful, popular and marketable to ignore.

Or it could carry on the none-gen 1 odd numbered gen curse. That'd suck!

At this point, it pretty much comes down to if any of the 7th generation Pokemon concept art that Sakurai received caught his interest.

 

[Chandeelure]

Steve confirmed.

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[blackghost]

The stage hazard switch sounds really cool, but I’m interested in seeing exactly what it turns off per stage. Obviously that’s not possible yet, but I’d like to see it.

Like will we still get moving platforms? Wily’s castle would have been loads of fun without that yellow blob, but I liked the platforms.

But just the sheer number of stages is mind-boggling. I’d love if every character could get a unique ‘home stage’ for fighting against them in Classic or All-Star mode.

when i see "hazard" i think anything that can give a player percent or impede their movement. i'd assume wiley castle would just remove the devil that stage would be great but otherwise is a FD reskin and thats really dull.

all that being said having more than 20 stages to pick and picking stage prior to characters will be great. but i do anticipzte large events and tournaments putting on a selection clock. and people will make poor aguments trying to get stage lisrtdown to like 10.

 

[Wyoming]

Gen 7 is way too successful, popular and marketable to ignore.

Or it could carry on the none-gen 1 odd numbered gen curse. That'd suck!

The curse is a pattern. It must be real then!

 

[Green_Pikmin*]

Or bring back Mario Bros......................................

I agree for some reason it felt wrong for The Mario Bros. Stage being absent in Smash 4. That stage was great, and having a Battlefield and Omega Version would be even greater.

 

[Spinosaurus]

At this point, it pretty much comes down to if any of the 7th generation Pokemon concept art that Sakurai received caught his interest.

If it's gonna come down to Pokemon TPC were banking on from the start, then the big ones are Mimikyu, Rowlet and Lycanroc.

Genuinely think we're sleeping on Rowlet here. It usurped its own evolution and blew up immediately upon reveal.

 

[Wyoming]

No let's not bring back Mario Bros. and let's mod 75m out of the game.

 

[Curious Villager]

If it's gonna come down to Pokemon TPC were banking on from the start, then the big ones are Mimikyu, Rowlet and Lycanroc.

Genuinely think we're sleeping on Rowlet here. It usurped its own evolution and blew up immediately upon reveal.

I do feel that if any of the Rowlet line would be made playable, that it would most probably be Rowlet itself. The tiny birb is just way too popular and marketable, even above It's own later stages. Which is why I don't see it evolving in the anime.

 

[Imadethistoseealeak]

*Regarding Pokemon Trainer being either 1 or 3 fighters*
Sakurai "Oh crap, Pokemon Trainer is technically three fighters. Guess I better throw out this concept art the Pokemon Company sent me on their upcoming game."

I swear if we don't get a Gen 7 pokemon, Sakurai better come out and say it was because Pokemon was overly represented.

I do feel that if any of the Rowlet line would be made playable, that it would most probably be Rowlet itself. The tiny birb is just way too popular and marketable, even above It's own later stages. Which is why I don't see it evolving in the anime.

I love Rowlett but I do have reservations about adding it over Decideueye. How would Rowlett even work though? I mean if we are gunna bring up lack of opposable thumbs for Lycanroc, we really have an issue with Rowlett lol. I just don't see his shape and body working in Smash. But tons of people say that for Mimikyu so eh.

 

[Galgatha]

when i see "hazard" i think anything that can give a player percent or impede their movement. i'd assume wiley castle would just remove the devil that stage would be great but otherwise is a FD reskin and thats really dull.

all that being said having more than 20 stages to pick and picking stage prior to characters will be great. but i do anticipzte large events and tournaments putting on a selection clock. and people will make poor aguments trying to get stage lisrtdown to like 10.

Agreed, this is why I think using the Random Stage selector and the random stage toggle list would work better in tournament play. Keeps everything nice and fast, and adding the banning that I talked about still gives players some level of control on where they don't want to end up fighting.

 

[Arcadenik]

People can't even make up a compelling reason against a Pokemon newcomer.

Exactly.

Also, I don't care if Meowth is disconfirmed again. That just makes me want Meowth in Smash even more!

"Meowth! That's right! Someone please hack Smash Ultimate and put me in as a playable fighter!"

 

[Deleted member]

If it's gonna come down to Pokemon TPC were banking on from the start, then the big ones are Mimikyu, Rowlet and Lycanroc.

Genuinely think we're sleeping on Rowlet here. It usurped its own evolution and blew up immediately upon reveal.

>Project proposal was December 2015
>Starters didn't get revealed until May 2016

....yeah, no. Rowlet's explosive popularity means nothing in this case.

 

[Zerp]

Zero Soul's dumb opinion time: Speaking of Pokemon, I think Decidueye has the greatest chance of any Gen 7 Pokemon, not because of marketing, not because of Pokken, not because he's grass type or an archer, but purely because of my subjective thoughts on Sakurai's subjective tastes, if he chose Greninja over the other starters I think he'd choose Decidueye if given concept art, because he's the one who appeals to the same demographic Greninja did, he's the cool and mysterious one, and I unironically think Sakurai will choose him just because of that.

 

[Bradli Wartooth]

Steve confirmed.

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*sweats in bad pixel art*

Well hopefully he's either forgettably bad or really fun. I'd hate to get **** on by Steve at a tournament if he's both good and boring. Or maybe we're just getting a Minecraft stage, who knows.

 

[92MilesPrower]

They were cool. Are you archive these on somewhere?

When I get back from work today I'm gonna finally make a thread in the Snake subforum in character discussion that will have every one of my past codecs, and it'll also be for everyone else to share their ideas for codecs. I'll also include a link to it in my signature (which I'm gonna finally have, about time I made a sig)

 

[Pakky]

But tons of people say that for Mimikyu so eh.

Really? It has hands though, and a club.

 

[Wyoming]

If Microsoft content gets in Smash then I'll be salty Master Chief wasn't selected.

What a behemoth of a reveal that would be.

 

[Spinosaurus]

>Project proposal was December 2015
>Starters didn't get revealed until May 2016

....yeah, no. Rowlet's explosive popularity means nothing in this case.

All that immediate merchandising and cute mascot role in the anime didn't happen without foresight lol. TPC were obviously banking on it from the start.

They wanted it to be popular, it ended up popular. It ain't different from Greninja.

 

[Pakky]

*sweats in bad pixel art*

Well hopefully he's either forgettably bad or really fun. I'd hate to get **** on by Steve at a tournament if he's both good and boring. Or maybe we're just getting a Minecraft stage, who knows.

Creeper stage hazards incoming.

Are we still getting Mario Maker as a stage?

Also WHERE's MARIO MAKER SWITCH!!!

 

[True Blue Warrior]

As someone who is pretty neutral on the idea of Steve being in Smash, I doubt he is playable, at least for the base roster of this game. I mean if he were, wouldn't he be revealed at E3, the biggest gaming event of the year, to hype up people and generate the biggest amount of discussion possible given just how big of a third-party character he is?

 

[Wyoming]

Creeper stages hazards incoming.

Are we still getting Mario Maker as a stage?

Also WHERE's MARIO MAKER SWITCH!!!

Hopefully getting a sequel with my boy SMB2 in it.

 

[lltacx]

I love unlocking characters tbh, that adrenaline when you see a silhouette pop up is insane to me. Even if i already know which characters are in it.

 

[Deleted member]

All that immediate merchandising and cute mascot role in the anime didn't happen without foresight lol. TPC were obviously banking on it from the start.

They wanted it to be popular, it ended up popular. It ain't different from Greninja.

"Immediate merchandising"
You mean like all the goddamn Starters get right off the bat?

 

[Imadethistoseealeak]

Zero Soul's dumb opinion time: Speaking of Pokemon, I think Decidueye has the greatest chance of any Gen 7 Pokemon, not because of marketing, not because of Pokken, not because he's grass type or an archer, but purely because of my subjective thoughts on Sakurai's subjective tastes, if he chose Greninja over the other starters I think he'd choose Decidueye if given concept art, because he's the one who appeals to the same demographic Greninja did, he's the cool and mysterious one, and I unironically think Sakurai will choose him just because of that.

This is Deceiueye's best chance imo, especially now that we know the range of the project plan. However I disagree on one point. I don't think it was just because Greninja was cool, but because he oozed personality unlike the other two final starters (they were both pretty ugly). Decideueye defintely has personality from his concept art, but so does Incinearoar, who has been shoved out of speculation because fire type, but that's a mute point now. Furthermore Sakurai might have recognized Decideueye was simialr to Greninja in that aspect and picked Inceniroar to contrast. Food for thought.

(Also if Decideueye does get in there better be some animation somewhere in the game that shows him being a dork too because he's a big fat dork).

 

[Deleted member]

(Also if Decideueye does get in there better be some animation somewhere in the game that shows him being a dork too because he's a big fat dork).

I think Decidueye is more of a tall, skinny dork, myself.

 

[Wyoming]

I love unlocking characters tbh, that adrenaline when you see a silhouette pop up is insane to me. Even if i already know which characters are in it.

Yup. Unlocking Snake, Wolf, Ice Climbers, Pokemon Trainer, Pichu, and Young Link going to feel like an old reunion.

 

[Spinosaurus]

"Immediate merchandising"
You mean like all the goddamn Starters get right off the bat?

I mean it goes without saying it and Mimikyu got the upstart on them there, regardless. The other point still stands, too.

Feels pretty obvious they wanted to heavily market the thing from the start! The other starters absolutely did not get the same treatment.

 

[Bradli Wartooth]

I hope there's either a tournament mode or an input to unlock all the characters and stages. Unlocking characters is fun and all, but it's going to make getting tournament setups a nightmare if we have to unlock everything on every console. Imagine having to unlock 50+ characters for every single EVO setup

Maybe that's Nintendo's way of punishing Mr. Wiz for being such an ass to the Smash community lmao

 

[Deleted member]

I feel like if Rowlet was planned to be promoted so early on, Sakurai would opt for Decidueye due to having a body type that's much easier to work with for Smash.
Also why I think Decidueye and Incineroar are the likeliest choices right now.

 

[MoonlitIllusion]

Zero Soul's dumb opinion time: Speaking of Pokemon, I think Decidueye has the greatest chance of any Gen 7 Pokemon, not because of marketing, not because of Pokken, not because he's grass type or an archer, but purely because of my subjective thoughts on Sakurai's subjective tastes, if he chose Greninja over the other starters I think he'd choose Decidueye if given concept art, because he's the one who appeals to the same demographic Greninja did, he's the cool and mysterious one, and I unironically think Sakurai will choose him just because of that.

And also, Decidueye's whole aesthetic, it's archer motif, it's ghost typing, it's general build, It just lends itself so easily to being a smash character, sakurai's talked about characters dancing in his mind in the past and I think that would apply to decidueye, the moveset potential is right there and it's so obvious. I guess the same could be said about Incineroar but I think that they're a little less interesting both aesthetically and gameplay wise, the archer seems like the more interesting concept than the wrestler imo.

 

[Imadethistoseealeak]

Really? It has hands though, and a club.

Well some people have mentioned the no hands thing and then you have to be like noooooo he does under his "cloak". I love that his hands are also shown in his concept art, meaning Sakurai would be able to tell if that's what he has to make decisions off of.

But some people think Mimikyu's body shape would be weird, because it's a little amorphous. Off the top of my head we don't really have a character like that...but we also didn't have a 100% quadraped character until Ivysaur so it's not impossible.

All that immediate merchandising and cute mascot role in the anime didn't happen without foresight lol. TPC were obviously banking on it from the start.

They wanted it to be popular, it ended up popular. It ain't different from Greninja.

This! People don't give The Pokemon Company marketing enough credit. They have a pretty good idea of what sells. This is why I think Mimikyu's popularity would still be a factor in the Pokemon Company sharing it's concept art with Sakurai.

 

[Deleted member]

I mean it goes without saying it and Mimikyu got the upstart on them there, regardless. The other point still stands, too.

Feels pretty obvious they wanted to heavily market the thing from the start! The other starters absolutely did not get the same treatment.

...yes, they absolutely did.

Rowlet only started getting special treatment later. After its popularity was more apparent.