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[LunchmanJ]

What are the biggest (most important to their series) characters introduced since the end of 2015? This is so I can get into Smash speculation again, and so I can make a hack involving said characters. My current roster is only filled with All Stars (IMO): Ridley, Skull Kid, Dixie Kong, Toad, and Ashley.

Edit: My new roster is Ridley, Dixie Kong, and mother****ing Slippy.

 

[Opossum]

What are the biggest (most important to their series) characters introduced since the end of 2015? This is so I can get into Smash speculation again, and so I can make a hack involving said characters. My current roster is only filled with All Stars (IMO): Ridley, Skull Kid, Dixie Kong, Toad, and Ashley.

So basically, characters that have been introduced in 2016 and 2017?

I'll go series by series.
: None, really. No new ones have really been introduced. Odyssey is bringing in folks like Cappy, Tiara, and Talkatoo, but to say they wouldn't fit into Smash is an understatement. Captain Toad, Toadette, and Pauline got more important despite being introduced before 2016.
: Hasn't had a game the past two years. N/A
: See Mario. Maybe Poochy got slightly more important...?
: See Donkey Kong.
: Breath of the Wild introduced the Champions, but they're almost certainly going the way of the Seven Sages or Groose and only being important to their one game.
: Federation Force had the Galactic Federation Troopers, I suppose. Sylux may get expanded on more in Prime 4 despite being an older character.
: Suzie Haltmann is pretty popular I think? And Bandanna Dee and Magalor have made more appearances despite being older.
: None of note, really, beyond the Star Fox 2 cast being canon now.
: Decidueye, Lycanroc, and Mimikyu have been consistent as some of the three most popular and promoted Alola Pokémon. Incineroar and Primarina, too, by virtue of being the other starters.
: Forget the past two years, F-Zero has been gone for more than a decade.
: See Donkey Kong
: Not including Fates characters (since that was 2015 in Japan), there's been Shadows of Valentia, Heroes, and Warriors. SoV is a remake so Alm and Celica don't meet the after-2015 criteria. The rest are crossover spin offs, though those and amiibo presence help resolidify Alm, Celica, Lyn, Chrom, and Tiki as very important characters to the series. The unnamed Switch game will undoubtedly have a new main hero.
: See Donkey Kong
: Hey! Pikmin doesn't introduce new characters.
: Though she's a 2013 character, Isabelle has been firmly solidified as the mascot character and is by all means an all star.
: See Donkey Kong
: See Donkey Kong
: Rex and Pyra from the upcoming XC2 are the main characters, which helps in a series like Xenoblade.
New Series: Inklings for Splatoon continue to gain traction despite being from 2015, Spring Man for ARMS.

Didn't include third parties, retros, or Miis.

 

[Godzillathewonderdog]

It looks like Bandanna Dee uses a parisol in Kirby Battle Royal, so I guess there's potential for a more diverse moveset for him in Smash.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

It looks like Bandanna Dee uses a parisol in Kirby Battle Royal, so I guess there's potential for a more diverse moveset for him in Smash.

This makes Super Smash Flash 2 very funny in hindsight

 

[Troykv]

It looks like Bandanna Dee uses a parisol in Kirby Battle Royal, so I guess there's potential for a more diverse moveset for him in Smash.

Where? I only found Kirbys and more Kirbys.

 

[Sid-cada]

Where? I only found Kirbys and more Kirbys.

Here, right next to Kirby.

https://youtu.be/ztMGTTAjsAQ?t=5m23s

Plus, this piece of artwork from the official website.

Spoiler: What a cutie...

 

[Troykv]

Here, right next to Kirby.

https://youtu.be/ztMGTTAjsAQ?t=5m23s

Plus, this piece of artwork from the official website.

Spoiler: What a cutie...

Oh... I'm blind...

I wonder if the game is Kirby only (like every game after RtDL)or if it's possible to use Bandana Waddle Dee.

 

[Wolfie557]

Dillon got a new game announced, but only in the Japanese Direct. I'm guessing they just want to wait for localization to begin before announcing it for other regions? Hopefully...

I just hope that Dillon doesn't end with the 3DS. It needs a game for the Switch....

 

[Diddy Kong]

I actually seriously want Alm to happen in Smash after playing Echoes. He'd be quite fun and he's a important character overall.

 

[APC99]

Bandanna Waddle Dee w/ Spear and Parasol as move inspiration would be incredibly cool, as has been said multiple times before.

Also, Dillon as a character would still be neat. I might work up a moveset for him down the line.

 

[Arcadenik]

I wanted to like Dillon's Rolling Western... but the controls felt very uncomfortable for left-handed players like me.

 

[N3ON]

The thing about Dillon's games are the character designs and general art direction are pretty great, which endears itself to a Smash following, but the games themselves, at least from my experience, are fairly so-so, which inhibits it from really finding the growth and success it requires to be a solid contender for future inclusion.

 

[LunchmanJ]

For this Smash, it should have these characters: K. Rool, Inkling, Dixie, Spring Man, Bandanna Dee, Tom Nook, and Isabelle from Animal Crossing. There's no All Stars after that.

I think the last Smash after this one should be a competitive redesign of this Smash. Where each of the characters is made as canonical and deep as they can be with Melee inspired advanced techniques and engine.

 

[_Sheik]

For this Smash, it should have these characters: K. Rool, Inkling, Dixie, Spring Man, Bandanna Dee, and Isabelle from Animal Crossing. There's no All Stars after that.

I think the last Smash after this one should be a competitive redesign of this Smash. Where each of the characters is made as canonical and deep as they can be with Melee inspired advanced techniques and engine.

K. Rool is a Nintendo All-Star in 2017?

 

[LunchmanJ]

K. Rool is a Nintendo All-Star in 2017?

Even old characters can become All Stars because all it takes for someone to remember them is to ask, "Hey, remember the king crocrodile from Donkey Kong Country? Who is also the mainest villain of that series?".

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

K. Rool is a Nintendo All-Star in 2017?

He's the retro newcomer

EDIT: Beaten to the punch. Damn those ninjas.

 

[_Sheik]

He's the retro newcomer

EDIT: Beaten to the punch. Damn those ninjas.

Pretty sure that's Takamaru

 

[A Distant Demon]

Results are in.

Not really have much to say about this one.

Next up, a series that had a game come out today. . .no im definitely not a day late. No it definitely isnt because I was plyaing that game.

Ridley? Dark Samus? Sylux? Mother Brain? Who knows

 

[LunchmanJ]

I think Ridley is not an All Star. At best, he comes out in a couple of boss fights per game, but very little of the games is dedicated to Ridley compared to Samus and also other candidates like Dixie Kong.

 

[Opossum]

I think Ridley is not an All Star. At best, he comes out in a couple of boss fights per game, but very little of the games is dedicated to Ridley compared to Samus and also other candidates like Dixie Kong.

Being an "All-Star" doesn't matter. It was a marketing thing that hasn't been used for Smash in almost a decade, and went out the window when Ice Climbers (a pair of irrelevant mountaineers), Roy (whose game hadn't even released yet) and Mr. Game and Watch (who technically wasn't even a pre-existing character, but a conglomerate of unnamed characters) were added in Melee.

And I'd say the fact that he's responsible for making Samus who she is qualifies him as an All-Star anyway.

 

[LunchmanJ]

Being an "All-Star" doesn't matter. It was a marketing thing that hasn't been used for Smash in almost a decade, and went out the window when Ice Climbers (a pair of irrelevant mountaineers), Roy (whose game hadn't even released yet) and Mr. Game and Watch (who technically wasn't even a pre-existing character, but a conglomerate of unnamed characters) were added in Melee.

And I'd say the fact that he's responsible for making Samus who she is qualifies him as an All-Star anyway.

You are right that Ridley is an All Star but wrong about All Stars being unnecesary. Why would any developer develop any character if they aren't important and deservjng in some way? Roy, Ice Climbers, and Game and Watch are important in their own way. Roy had potential to be big (which ended up happening), Ice Climbers repped obscure NES games, and Game and Watch repped the highly successful Game and Watch,

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

You are right that Ridley is an All Star but wrong about All Stars being unnecesary. Why would any developer develop any character if they aren't important and deservjng in some way? Roy, Ice Climbers, and Game and Watch are important in their own way. Roy had potential to be big (which ended up happening), Ice Climbers repped obscure NES games, and Game and Watch repped the highly successful Game and Watch,

Roy was only big because of Smash.

In the Fire Emblem games? He's one of the worst Lords in the entire franchise, iirc.

Could be wrong though...

 

[Schnee117]

You are right that Ridley is an All Star but wrong about All Stars being unnecesary. Why would any developer develop any character if they aren't important and deservjng in some way? Roy, Ice Climbers, and Game and Watch are important in their own way. Roy had potential to be big (which ended up happening), Ice Climbers repped obscure NES games, and Game and Watch repped the highly successful Game and Watch,

Roy was literally just added because they had to pad out the Melee roster because there was no time to make a completely new character () so we got like 6 clones () instead. The majority of them can be justified with recent/upcoming title they appear in.

 

[Luminario]

Honestly, "All-Star" is such a vague concept, and it really changes from person to person. You can say K.Rool is an All-Star all you want, but for me he was just "that creepy Melee trophy with the infected eye" until I started visiting this site, so it's very subjective.

On the topic of a Metroid newcomer, I'm gonna say it's unlikely this time around. The Smash after the next might definitely have good potential in Sylux or someone else if they're prominent enough in Prime 4, but with that being released so far off and with Smash Switch development likely underway right now, the usual problems face Ridley or Mother Brain when being considered as fighters.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Metroid newcomers depend on two things.

• When and what this new Smash game is
• Metroid Prime 4

Until we get more information on those, we have nothing.

 

[Opossum]

You are right that Ridley is an All Star but wrong about All Stars being unnecesary. Why would any developer develop any character if they aren't important and deservjng in some way? Roy, Ice Climbers, and Game and Watch are important in their own way. Roy had potential to be big (which ended up happening), Ice Climbers repped obscure NES games, and Game and Watch repped the highly successful Game and Watch,

Ice Climbers and Game and Watch didn't "rep" anything beyond having some historical significance (though not much, ESPECIALLY with the Ice Climbers, who mainly got in due to their gimmick).

And your argument for Roy undermines the All-Star philosophy anyway. Anyone has "the potential to be big." Captain Toad wasn't relevant at all, never mind an all star, when the roster was chosen, and nowadays he's one of the Super Mario franchise's recurring characters.

One could argue being an all star matters to third party additions (minus Bayonetta, but her circumstances make her an obvious exception) due to them needing a large enough draw to justify development, but for Nintendo characters it doesn't really matter.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

There are two big problems with the "All Star" philosophy.

• Everyone has their own definition of what an All Star is.
• We have already had several characters that most wouldn't consider an all star.

It's fine that not every character is an all star. It's good to let the smaller but interesting characters and franchises get a spot in the limelight.

 

[NintenRob]

I'm of the opinion that when it comes to a Metroid character, its Ridley or nothing. No one else holds a candle to his importance.

 

[Opossum]

I'm of the opinion that when it comes to a Metroid character, its Ridley or nothing. No one else holds a candle to his importance.

If Prime 4 develops Sylux more like many are expecting, I'd say he'd make a reasonable additional character.

 

[N3ON]

The term all-stars doesn't hold the same cache for Smash that it used to considering not only has Nintendo themselves dropped the tagline, but there are a plethora of existing characters on the roster that one would be hard-pressed to categorize as "all-stars" by any stretch of the imagination.

So it doesn't really matter. Are they big, prolific, popular characters? Yes. In fact, Ridley is too big.

 

[Reila]

I just want Inklings. And Ridley.

 

[DJ3DS]

I think more Metroid is as likely as it's ever been. Partly because of Samus Returns (the tease and the spoilers) and partly because everything is looking up for Sylux as of late.

Sure it depends on timing but I expect Prime 4 before Smash given Prime 4 got a mention at E3 and Smash still has nothing official.

 

[Diddy Kong]

A Metroid newcomer is likely I think. Sylux is a given for Prime 4 and he's already an established character with Hunters. Then there's also the slight possibility of the Federation Trooper as a newcomer. Sylux seems more likely of the two. As for Ridley...? I don't think that will ever happen.

 

[UserKev]

That moment when you realize that the "Nintendo All star" term really exists when there's such a thing as Mario, DK, Link, Pikachu and Kirby. Remove them and its bye bye Smash.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

That moment when you realize that the "Nintendo All star" term really exists when there's such a thing as Mario, DK, Link, Pikachu and Kirby. Remove them and its bye bye Smash.

We're not saying there's no all-star in Smash. There's definitely a lot of all-stars in Smash.

What we're saying is that not every Nintendo character in a Smash game is an "all-star."

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I think more Metroid is as likely as it's ever been. Partly because of Samus Returns (the tease and the spoilers) and partly because everything is looking up for Sylux as of late.

Sure it depends on timing but I expect Prime 4 before Smash given Prime 4 got a mention at E3 and Smash still has nothing official.

Personally I see it meaning instead of Other M flooding the Metroid content in terms of trophies and a stage (They cut a Prime stage) it'd be Samus Returns and possibly Prime 4. Which is good

 

[Deleted member]

Well, it will soon be 6 months I asked for @Frostwraith his permission to revive his Signature Icons thread, but as it looks like he's been MIA since quite a time now, I'd like to request a mod around here if they can quote this thread's OP for me so I can include the icons already made in the new one I'll intend to make?

Thank you in advance.

 

[A Distant Demon]

Well, it will soon be 6 months I asked for @Frostwraith his permission to revive his Signature Icons thread, but as it looks like he's been MIA since quite a time now, I'd like to request a mod around here if they can quote this thread's OP for me so I can include the icons already made in the new one I'll intend to make?

Thank you in advance.

go ahead.

 

[Deleted member]

go ahead.

...Okay, but I would like the previous thread's OP to be quoted first as I can't do it myself.

 

[A Distant Demon]

...Okay, but I would like the previous thread's OP to be quoted first as I can't do it myself.

well either an admin or @Dr. FalКoopa or @ぱみゅ would have to help you with that part.

man they must be hard to tag