Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Pakky]

I just got xenoblade 2...

I like Pyra... A Lot

And I got Rayman Lengends, Rayman is very cool in this one I miss his lum throws from 2

 

[L9999]

Directional air dodging seems like a course correction on how dumb air dodges were in Smash 4. Wavelanding and wavedashing simply are icing in the cake inherent to directional function.

 

[Zinith]

I got bored so attempted to organise the ultimate characters in order of how excited I am for them in the new game:




ultzelda:

Okay...


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ultinkling:



Those last 3... *boil with rage*

 

[Nani?]

Which video?

It was treehouse live. Don't remember which day.

 

[MasterOfKnees]

I got bored so attempted to organise the ultimate characters in order of how excited I am for them in the new game:




ultzelda:

Ridley because duh.

Jigglypuff, Ike and Samus I desperately hope can be viable in this game, and so I look forward to doing a lot of testing with them. I was already comfortable with Meta Knight, C. Falcon and Lucina in Smash 4, so I'm just excited to play some of my favorites with less landing lag and new mechanics.

The third row is for characters I'm hopeful will feel much better to play as in this game (Pokémon Trainer, Falco, Zelda, Dorf, Wario), or just ones who are always fun to pick up and play for a bit (Mario, ZSS, Ness, Snake). And then there's Pichu, just because I look forward to bodying friends with him for the banter again.

I don't care too much about the rest, they're just kind of lumped together somewhere beneath, but I'm sure there are going to be some pleasant surprises.

 

[osby]

Okay...


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ultinkling:



Those last 3... *boil with rage*

This is fun
ultsamus:




I hope I didn't forget anyone.
I like all characters except last row and even them, I'm OK with.

 

[RileyXY1]

So, is Vergeben's "leak" still possible, or is it pretty much dead after confirmation that the embargoed game is that sports game rather than Castlevania? If it's pretty much disconfirmed, then I will happily say THIS IS WHY YOU ALWAYS TAKE THESE THINGS WITH A GRAIN OF SALT.

That's a pretty big hit to Vergeben's credibility. Well, what's left of it anyways.

 

[Pakky]

That's a pretty big hit to Vergeben's credibility. Well, what's left of it anyways.

For me the show is over despite him getting the Jump game right which I has not heard about previous,and that's okay, it give me more excitement for what's to come.

 

[Graizen]

I can imagine a new Story Mode.
Bowser, Ridley, Ganon, Dedede and Wolf planing something together.

 

[Octorockandroll]

I can imagine a new Story Mode.
Bowser, Ridley, Ganon, Dedede and Wolf planing something together.

*******SPOILER ALERT*******

Leaked screenshots of Smash Ultimate story mode below.

 

[Krysco]

Gonna use the most recent post as an example but what exactly is going on here? http://prntscr.com/jwawul
If I hover my mouse over the blank space, it gives the little blurb to say it's the Smashboards icon for one of the characters in Ultimate but it's just blank. And this is on desktop rather than mobile.

Also, there was discussion on echoes last night so I'll give my thoughts. Echoes are nice for anyone who uses the parent character since you essentially get access to customs of a sort but for anyone who was rooting for the character to get in under their own merits, it's a bit of a disappointment. Look how long it took for Ganon to use his sword in anything but a custom move. All because he was a clone and Sakurai doesn't like changing characters too much. People have already mentioned how Dark Pit uses different weapons in Uprising, how Lucina uses a bigger Falchion and people wanted Daisy to have moves from the Mario sports games (which to be fair, she gets in the form of fsmash thanks to being a Peach echo). Those characters are potentially doomed to being echoes and not even getting Melee clone treatment if Ganon is anything to go by.

The question of 'is it better for a character to get in as an echo or not get in at all' doesn't have a clear answer. Some would be happy with a character just getting in while others would rather they not get in if they're just going to be an altered version of another character. Honestly, I feel echoes would work best as alternate forms of already existing characters, like Dr. Mario for example. He's not an echo but if he wasn't in Smash, no one would have some super original moveset planned out for him and would at best think he'd make for a nice alt for Mario.

Speaking of similar characters, does anyone else find it weird that thanks to a name change, we're getting both Young Link and Toon Link? Like, Toon Link was presumably put into Brawl to be a more current younger Link just like Brawl Link was the TP one rather than the OoT one due to being more recent and again, we now have BotW Link in Ultimate for the same reason. Young and Toon do have their differences but then so does OoT and TP and BotW Link.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

*******SPOILER ALERT*******

Leaked screenshots of Smash Ultimate story mode below.

Sorry but Snake's a loyal husband and Samus won't raise his daughter

 

[Octorockandroll]

Sorry but Snake's a loyal husband and Samus won't raise his daughter

...I'm not certain I understand the reference.

Unless maybe you're thinking of Otakon's daughter?

 

[Cutie Gwen]

...I'm not certain I understand the reference.

Unless maybe you're thinking of Otakon's daughter?

I saw some adorable fanart last week of Snake getting into battle on Smash TV or something and he had a "I LOVE MY HUSBAND AND DAUGHTER" shirt while Otacon and Sunny were delightfully embarrassed. idk I'm starting to get the hype bug for Snake and am considering Snake Eater 3DS

 

[Graizen]

I was thinking about Simon Belmont, and i would love to play as him!
Imagine a trailer:

"Bowser in a fight with Mario , and a Whip take Bowser by the leg...
SIMON BELMONT
"Monster! You dont belong in this World!"

 

[Octorockandroll]

I saw some adorable fanart last week of Snake getting into battle on Smash TV or something and he had a "I LOVE MY HUSBAND AND DAUGHTER" shirt while Otacon and Sunny were delightfully embarrassed. idk I'm starting to get the hype bug for Snake and am considering Snake Eater 3DS

Personally I'd recommend the Subsistence version on PS2 if you have that system. They did a great job with the 3ds port and MGS on the go is obviously a huge boon, but there's some cut content, performance issues and the 3DS controls just don't work that well unless you buy the circle pad pro, which is only compatoble with like 10 games anyway

 

[Imadethistoseealeak]

So I did some silly speculating regarding the whole "We prioritized veterans so don't expect too many newcomers" comment. Let's look at the number of newcomers, and returning veterans introduced every game. Only 3 rules. 1. Not looking at Smash 64, doesn't really make sense to count it as 12 newcomers. 2. Not looking at Smash 4 DLC, I am personally just speculating on the Smash Ultimate base roster. For all we know Smash Ultimate might have continuous DLC for years so there's no real way to speculate that. 3. Counting any unique move set as a character, seeing as this is how Sakurai seems to think of it by the numbering on the website.

Melee: (14)
Brawl: (18)
Smash 4: (18)
Ultimate: (For some reason these aren't showing up for me so) (Inkling) (Daisy) (Ridley) (10)

Depending on how optimistic you are we could see close to 8 more characters if we look at past data. Melee was done in such a short time that I don't think we have to worry about looking at the shorter end of the spectrum, although if anything it could be an indicator to expect more clones or echo fighters. Brawl and Smash 4 both had the complications of having a massive story mode / being built for two consoles, so if we consider Ultimate's complication being balancing a 70+ roster then I think we can expect close to what we've gotten in the past.

Basically I'm thinking that Sakurai's comment had more to do with veterans taking the "place" of newcomer spots, but we can definitely still expect 6-7 more newcomers. Thoughts? Also thoughts on why ultimate icons aren't showing? I want to do the hype ranking but it's kinda hard without seeing them lol.

 

[CannonStreak]

I was thinking about Simon Belmont, and i would love to play as him!
Imagine a trailer:

"Bowser in a fight with Mario , and a Whip take Bowser by the leg...
SIMON BELMONT
"Monster! You dont belong in this World!"

Let me say something here.

Bowser: It is not by my hand that I am once again standing here. I was called here by the princess, who wants to make me king!
Simon: King? You steal people's freedom, and make them your slaves!
Bowser: Perhaps the same could be the point of all monarchies...
Simon: Your words are as empty as your soul! All good creatures ill need a savior such as you!
Bowser: What is a good creature? A miserable little pile of secrets! Be enough talk; have at you!

 

[Deleted member]

Im asking Vergeben some questions, and he responded.

My respons to Vergeben's last statement.

So.....does this affect the inlcusion of Simon in Smash in anyway shape or form?
Are the "Simon Belmont is in Smash" and "Konami will reveal a Castlevania game and/or compilation at E3" sources the same or are different? (as in both said this or are the Smash and Konami sources different?)

Vergeben's response:

Not at all. Simon is in.
They are the same. Don't lose hope. The Castlevania games will be revealed later.

So the sources of Simon in Smash and Konami game at E3 are the same, so im a little skeptical about this. I went to ask him about his sources and how they relate to other Smash confirmations (mutliple sources about Ridley, he having a "Mighty Source" that said Ridley was in, a more dubious source that said stuff about Minecraft sutff in Smash, etc) and also asking if there was any idea as to when it could be revealed (got nothing to lose if i had to ask that question)

Any idea as to when they could be revealed? It's safe to assume it could be a similar situation to Super Bomberman R (Nintendo Switch exclusive for a period of time) so it could be announced at a Nintendo Direct?
Also sorry if i sound annyoing, but are the sources of Ridley and Simon the same? because i remember (i do tend to have a faulty memory tough) you saying you had multiple sources that said that Ridley was in but one of them said Simon Belmont was included (and one of those sources also said Snake and Ice Climbers were coming back, but im not sure if your most reliable source said that Simon, Snake, Icies and Ridley were all in, since you mentioned you had another source that said the game was getting Minecraft content in some way)

Will probably get a response in the morning.

I know people will insult and mock me for giving Vergeben the benefit of the dobut , but i don't care, i got mocked for thinking Ridley was playable.

One thing's for certain though, and that is that Vergeben has been very cooperative with my questions. I thought he was going to tell me to Piss off and the like, but at the very least he is quick and to the point with his responses (unlike another certain "leakers" who to pretend to know everything and they tease you and act like jackasses instead of just spilling the beans)

I will leave him alone for a while though, i don't want to come across as annyoing or that im onto him. Gotta give the guy some space you know?

 

[KingBroly]

So I did some silly speculating regarding the whole "We prioritized veterans so don't expect too many newcomers" comment. Let's look at the number of newcomers, and returning veterans introduced every game. Only 3 rules. 1. Not looking at Smash 64, doesn't really make sense to count it as 12 newcomers. 2. Not looking at Smash 4 DLC, I am personally just speculating on the Smash Ultimate base roster. For all we know Smash Ultimate might have continuous DLC for years so there's no real way to speculate that. 3. Counting any unique move set as a character, seeing as this is how Sakurai seems to think of it by the numbering on the website.

Melee: (14)
Brawl: (18)
Smash 4: (18)
Ultimate: (For some reason these aren't showing up for me so) (Inkling) (Daisy) (Ridley) (10)

Depending on how optimistic you are we could see close to 8 more characters if we look at past data. Melee was done in such a short time that I don't think we have to worry about looking at the shorter end of the spectrum, although if anything it could be an indicator to expect more clones or echo fighters. Brawl and Smash 4 both had the complications of having a massive story mode / being built for two consoles, so if we consider Ultimate's complication being balancing a 70+ roster then I think we can expect close to what we've gotten in the past.

Basically I'm thinking that Sakurai's comment had more to do with veterans taking the "place" of newcomer spots, but we can definitely still expect 6-7 more newcomers. Thoughts? Also thoughts on why ultimate icons aren't showing? I want to do the hype ranking but it's kinda hard without seeing them lol.

That's what I took him as saying, but I think the numbering won't get to 70 (by their system). Meaning Echoes and a couple of new faces.

 

[Graizen]

Let me say something here.

Bowser: It is not by my hand that I am once again standing here. I was called here by the princess, who wants to make me king!
Simon: King? You steal people's freedom, and make them your slaves!
Bowser: Perhaps the same could be the point of all monarchies...
Simon: Your words are as empty as your soul! All good creatures ill need a savior such as you!
Bowser: What is a good creature? A miserable little pile of secrets! Be enough talk; have at you!

"This music starts"

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Personally I'd recommend the Subsistence version on PS2 if you have that system. They did a great job with the 3ds port and MGS on the go is obviously a huge boon, but there's some cut content, performance issues and the 3DS controls just don't work that well unless you buy the circle pad pro, which is only compatoble with like 10 games anyway

Sadly I lost one specific cable for my old ps2 and as I haven't used it in years I don't even have a clue where it is. I've considered getting a ps3 but priorities are a fickle thing

 

[CannonStreak]

You might want to add words to that post, to avoid getting in trouble for posting a video only.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

This isn't Rondo of Blood's version I'm sueing

 

[Imadethistoseealeak]

That's what I took him as saying, but I think the numbering won't get to 70 (by their system). Meaning Echoes and a couple of new faces.

So something like 3-4 unique newcomers and 2-3 echoes? That works.

I'm currently thinking 5 more unique newcomers, bringing it exactly to 70 by their system, and 2 more echoes. But I just really like even numbers lol.

 

[Sharkarat]

But like Dark Pit is one of the obvious example of character that had no chance getting in as anything other than a clone, Kid Icarus isn't that big and if you make an unique moveset you probably would go for Viridi/Medusa/Hades rather than Pitoo.
I've actually long have had the opinion that Daisy was more likely than Waluigi becauce of the Clone Potential. But that both Daisy & Waluigi was unlikely as unique.
They might be doomed to stay clones/echos, but they were pretty much doomed in the first place.

 

[Galgatha]

So if we are doing a list of all the characters, from highest hype to lowest, for Ultimate, might as well throw my hat into the ring :D

(First 2 are my mains, the rest are the returning from old games)
(My wife mains her so I am glad she is back)(So excited for Mii fighters online)
(Little brother mains these 2, so I am glad they are back as well)



ultrob: (Basically everybody else)

 

[Pakky]

Well I updated my sig guess I've officially drawn my line in the sand. (can't even see it... ARGH!!)

 

[Graizen]

This isn't Rondo of Blood's version I'm sueing

4 is awesome!

 

[KingBroly]

So something like 3-4 unique newcomers and 2-3 echoes? That works.

I'm currently thinking 5 more unique newcomers, bringing it exactly to 70 by their system, and 2 more echoes. But I just really like even numbers lol.

I think more Echoes than Newcomers or an equal split of 3/3

 

[Iridium]

Looking at the roster, I hope the unlockables are unlocked in order to complete the Melee roster after the 64 roster, then the Brawl roster, then 4, and then the newcomers to Ultimate. The nostalgia would be so great to experience.

 

[MamaLuigi123456]

listin my hype list:



ultsamus:

 

[Imadethistoseealeak]

Looking at the roster, I hope the unlockables are unlocked in order to complete the Melee roster after the 64 roster, then the Brawl roster, then 4, and then the newcomers to Ultimate. The nostalgia would be so great to experience.

If they do this I really hope they streamline it, like unlocking a character every couple minutes or so. I think it's a terrible idea to make the game's newcomers the last unlockables, newcomers are what draws players to smash and the last two games had the majority of them unlocked from the start to support that.

I think we will see that kind of spread for veterans (64 -> Melee -> Brawl etc.) but I think newcomers will be dispersed throughout so you don't have to wait too long to try them out.

(EDIT: Is it the browser I am using that doesn't let me see the Ultimate icons? Are all ya'll doing these hype lists blind? lol)

 

[DYED]

I'm ... Just to sleepy to make an icon list.

I'll just say that my hype goes mostly to Ganondorf and the Ice Climbers. Right after them there's this new Wario, I'm really excited to see this "reverted" form of him with the shoulder charge and Sakurai knows what else.

 

[TumblrFamous]

Am I the only one who can't see anyone's hype list lol

 

[KingBroly]

I think they do unlocks on a 2-tier system of sort, first involving characters from the series and then ones that don't have multiple series reps.

Example:
Mario > Luigi > Peach > Bowser > etc.
Samus > Zero Suit Samus > Ridley
etc.

But then once characters for a series run out, you start getting new franchises and one-offs (Falcon, Marth, Duck Hunt, etc.)

Am I the only one who can't see anyone's hype list lol

Nope. I can't see them either.

 

[DYED]

Am I the only one who can't see anyone's hype list lol

Nope. I can't see them either.

Clear your browser cache.
Worked for me!

 

[CodakTheWarrior]

Could someone help me on how to set our main for Ultimate on our profile, I can't figure it out

EDIT: I got it nvm

 

[KingBroly]

Clear your browser cache.
Worked for me!

That worked. Thanks

 

[MamaLuigi123456]

Pretty sure the way they streamlined unlockables is a Great Cave Offensive or The Great Maze-styled mode, where you go through a huge Metroidvania-like area and battle opponents to get them to join you.