Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Yeah, the video stop is a little weird.

But I wouldn't read much into it anyway. Even if Sakurai wanted Waluigi to be playable(which to be honest he's shown an indication of the opopsite), he's not. He's an AT now. And for who knows how many games. I'd love him playable too, but eh.

 

[Wyoming]

Her game was at the perfect time, and I can’t think of anyone else that Vifam mech could reference.

People misunderstand the toy's primary objective: tell Sakurai how a fuel gauge could be placed on a ROBot

 

[Zinith]

You'll all get used to the new CSS. If you know where a character debuted you'll know which area they're situated in.

I've always wanted it that way so I am beaming.

Oh, considering the autist that I am who knows when EVERY character came into Smash at EVERY time, it won't be a problem for me. But I can also see why many people will find it weird, so that's why the option to change the CSS layout is brought up a lot.

 

[Jetsurge]

Her game was at the perfect time, and I can’t think of anyone else that Vifam mech could reference.

He brought it for the gun not the mech. So it's probably for Inkling or Geno.

 

[PLATINUM7]

Smash 4 was the first game to have two 3rd party characters from the same company on the roster at once.

Are you seriously valuing an Assist Trophy over an actual playable character?


Why does Capcom get two PLAYABLE characters over the rest?

Sega has two, Sonic and Bayonetta.

 

[Shroob]

Her game was at the perfect time, and I can’t think of anyone else that Vifam mech could reference.

Unless it's a surprise Custom Robo rep(hah), I have to agree.

Considering he said himself it's to do with his work, which at the time would be Smash, my only guess would be to use it to reference how to animate a Mech Suit, which would most certainly be her Final Smash.

 

[One winged Devil]

Why does Capcom get two PLAYABLE characters over the rest?

Please tell me your joking.

Right.
Now point me to where Sakurai said "there can only be one Assist Trophy per third party series".

Sure, just as soon had you point to me a picture of Shadow as a AT in SSBU.

 

[Deleted member]

You'll all get used to the new CSS. If you know where a character debuted you'll know which area they're situated in.

I've always wanted it that way so I am beaming.

I probably will.
But I also got used to the Sm4sh CSS, and I still hate it.

 

[Shroob]

Please tell me your joking.



Sure, just as soon had you point to me a picture of Shadow as a AT in SSBU.

Okay, now you're just trolling at this point.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

He brought it for the gun not the mech. So it's probably for Inkling or Geno.

Where was this said, btw?

I mean, it's possible, sure, but could you cite this?

 

[Jetsurge]

Where was this said, btw?

I mean, it's possible, sure, but could you cite this?

http://www.nintendolife.com/news/20...oy_purchase_is_related_to_his_current_project

"The robot in question is from the 1983 mecha anime Ginga Hyōryū Vifam, and Sakurai claims that he bought the figure so he could use the rifle as a visual reference for his work."

 

[PLATINUM7]

Where was this said, btw?

I mean, it's possible, sure, but could you cite this?

Original article
http://news.denfaminicogamer.jp/interview/shuno_sakurai

Sakurai, "I bought a figure of Biffer before this. It is an old robot animation. That does not mean that it is a short-circuited story that it is making a game of "Galaxy Drifting Bifam". I wanted the attached rifle to make it a reference to my work."

 

[TheDukeofDorks]

But best 64 stage Hyrule Castle is already coming back.

That's a weird way of spelling "Saffron City"...

 

[Wyoming]

I just hope Fountain of Dreams, Sector Z, Poke Floats, Pirate Ship, and perhaps Mushroom Kingdom return. I can take or leave the others stage, but I think they'll all return down the line.

 

[Cosmic77]

At this point, I'm starting to think the rifle was for Snake.

Either that, or it was for something completely unrelated to Smash, and we'll end up purchasing SSBU on Dec 7 with no idea which newcomer required the rifle for reference.

 

[Deleted member]

Sure, just as soon had you point to me a picture of Shadow as a AT in SSBU.

How about you try to use a decent arguing tactic?
There are 6 months until the game comes out and Sakurai said there will be over 50 ATs, with 29-30 of them being confirmed. You don't get to that number by promoting a bunch of them.
I swear this whole "Assist Trophy not shown = ZOMG CONFIRMED!!!!111" mentality is even worse than the "Switch Port = ZOMG CONFIRMED!!!!111" one.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

http://www.nintendolife.com/news/20...oy_purchase_is_related_to_his_current_project

"The robot in question is from the 1983 mecha anime Ginga Hyōryū Vifam, and Sakurai claims that he bought the figure so he could use the rifle as a visual reference for his work."

Ah, yeah, that's true.

http://news.denfaminicogamer.jp/interview/shuno_sakurai This is the more specific interview, where it's a translation of. Google Translate isn't great, but it conveys the same message. PushDustIn Could you help translate this particular article for everyone?

Original article
http://news.denfaminicogamer.jp/interview/shuno_sakurai

Sakurai, "I bought a figure of Biffer before this. It is an old robot animation. That does not mean that it is a short-circuited story that it is making a game of "Galaxy Drifting Bifam". I wanted the attached rifle to make it a reference to my work."

Just found that, heh. I made sure to look at the original.

Yeah, the mech part is clearly irrelevant, as he cared about the rifle. This doesn't mean it was meant to be for Inkling, though.

 

[PLATINUM7]

What if Sakurai is making an actual rifle playable?

I just hope Fountain of Dreams, Sector Z, Poke Floats, Pirate Ship, and perhaps Mushroom Kingdom return. I can take or leave the others stage, but I think they'll all return down the line.

"perhaps Mushroom Kingdom"
I think you mean definitely Mushroom Kingdom. Complete with its useable warp pipes.

 

[Dandelionel]

By the way, what will happen with the numbers of echo characters in future installments if they are decloned? For example, in this game Daisy is 13e, but if she is decloned in Smash 6, should she get the spot 66 for being an Ultimate character or should she stay as 13e?

I just find the echo numbering really confusing since they are counted as fighters like everyone else. It's one of the reasons the "66" spot dilemma happened in the website. Echoes should have their own number just for the sake of simplicity imo.

 

[Zinith]

By the way, what will happen with the numbers of echo characters in future installments if they are decloned? For example, in this game Daisy is 13e, but if she is decloned in Smash 6, should she get the spot 66 for being an Ultimate character or should she stay as 13e?

I just find the echo numbering really confusing since they are counted as fighters like everyone else. It's one of the reasons the "66" spot dilemma happened in the website. Echoes should have their own number just for the sake of simplicity imo.

We'll get to that when it comes up.... 10 years from now. That's thinking a little TOO far ahead

 

[One winged Devil]

Okay, now you're just trolling at this point.

Says the guy who asks me why Capcom has two fighters.

How about you try to use a decent arguing tactic?
There are 6 months until the game comes out and Sakurai said there will be over 50 ATs, with 29-30 of them being confirmed. You don't get to that number by promoting a bunch of them.
I swear this whole "Assist Trophy not shown = ZOMG CONFIRMED!!!!111" mentality is even worse than the "Switch Port = ZOMG CONFIRMED!!!!111" one.

First of all you did that to me so don't pull that crap.

Next I only said that Shadow MIGHT be playable, never did I said that he WILL.

I have no idea where this, "everyone is playable" came from.

 

[Shroob]

Says the guy who asks me why Capcom has two fighters.

First of all you did that to me so don't pull that crap.

Next I only said that Shadow MIGHT be playable, never did I said that he WILL.

I have no idea where this, "everyone is playable" came from.

You didn't give a reason as to why, btw.

If Sega having two assist trophies is this outlandish thing, then I have no idea how you rationalize Capcom having two playable characters.


Mega Man's Elec Man wasn't seen at all either, I guess this means he could be playable as well.


This is a stupid argument when we haven't even seen 50% of the assist trophies in the game. It's fine to think there's a chance, but to come out and be like "OMG SHADOW WASN'T SEEN HE MUST BE PLAYABLE" is dumb. We have, at best, 50% of the assist trophy roster. We could have anywhere from 30-40 trophies that we have yet to see. Chill.

 

[Deleted member]

First of all you did that to me so don't pull that crap.

You were the one who used flawed logic with weak reasoning, and you didn't even bother coming up with a decent counter argument.

Next I only said that Shadow MIGHT be playable, never did I said that he WILL.

I have no idea where this, "everyone is playable" came from.

My bad then. It's just something I've been seeing way too much of lately and it's been bothering me.

 

[Jetsurge]

Ryu's redish alt is gone and has been replaced by a purple alt....

 

[Curious Villager]

By the way, what will happen with the numbers of echo characters in future installments if they are decloned? For example, in this game Daisy is 13e, but if she is decloned in Smash 6, should she get the spot 66 for being an Ultimate character or should she stay as 13e?

I just find the echo numbering really confusing since they are counted as fighters like everyone else. It's one of the reasons the "66" spot dilemma happened in the website. Echoes should have their own number just for the sake of simplicity imo.

I think he labeled them as echo's with the same numbering since he has no intention of changing them at all in the future. From what I've seen at least, Dark Pit and Lucina are still more or less the same as they where in Smash 4. Not like clones that do get differentiated (or their parent counterparts at least when it comes to the Link's) over time.

But that's just my own speculation on that. I guess we'll see down the line what will happen to them in future installments.

 

[One winged Devil]

Ryu's redish alt is gone and has been replaced by a purple alt....

Oh Ken/Dan confirmed?

Who knows we might get them in a direct along side Shadow.

 

[MysticKnives]

That's a weird way of spelling "Saffron City"...

Must admit, Saffron coming back is very hype. Especially since it's the first time we can play it again since 64. But the true GOAT 64 stage is Meta Crystal, a stage you can't even normally play on.

 

[Jetsurge]

I kind of think they might just keep on releasing them game in the future and adding a bit to it instead of making any more new games.

 

[Deleted member]

Y'all are jumping into conclusions. Ridley's Meta alt wasn't in the demo either.

 

[MysticKnives]

I just hope Fountain of Dreams, Sector Z, Poke Floats, Pirate Ship, and perhaps Mushroom Kingdom return. I can take or leave the others stage, but I think they'll all return down the line.

I'll take all of these. I'm really pulling for Rainbow Road and Fountain of Dreams.

 

[Jetsurge]

Oh Ken/Dan confirmed?

Who knows we might get them in a direct along side Shadow.

I think Ms Pac-Man will also be an echo fighter.

Y'all are jumping into conclusions. Ridley's Meta alt wasn't in the demo either.

Ryu had 8 alts in Smash 4, he has 8 alts in the demo and his red alt has been replaced by the purple one.

 

[Deleted member]

Ryu had 8 alts in Smash 4, he has 8 alts in the demo and his red alt has been replaced by the purple one.

There's always a chance that he could have more alts in the full game.

 

[One winged Devil]

I think Ms Pac-Man will also be an echo fighter.

That would be pretty hype.

Oh honey don't you know? I'm more than Pac-Man with a bow!

 

[Mogu]

There's always a chance that he could have more alts in the full game.

Sure but with him having a full 8 colors to choose from in the demo as well (same amount as Smash Wii U / 3DS) it's at least a slight possibility.

 

[Jetsurge]

There's always a chance that he could have more alts in the full game.

With the amount of characters in this game I doubt it.

 

[Deleted member]

With the amount of characters in this game I doubt it.

You say that like recoloring a characters' model takes a massive amount of development time.

 

[Shroob]

With the amount of characters in this game I doubt it.

I'm not sure why.

Lots of characters were missing colors in the demo, or entire costumes.

I think we're reeeeeeeeeeally stretching hard to try to find things that don't exist.

 

[Pakky]

Okay, now you're just trolling at this point.

Sega has two

Capcom as two

Namco has one

Konami has one

EDIT: Square Enix has one

 

[Deleted member]

I think we're reeeeeeeeeeally stretching hard to try to find things that don't exist.

That's the Smash Fanbase™ for ya.

 

[92MilesPrower]

He brought it for the gun not the mech. So it's probably for Inkling or Geno.

There's also the off chance that it could be Mach Rider for our new retro rep.