Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Megadoomer]

Not sure if the latest leak is legitimate or not, but with multiple sources saying that it's true, I put all of the pictures of it on this page under spoiler tags to be on the safe side.

 

[CrusherMania1592]

Why is literally everything leaking except for Smash?

Because they need more OMG HOLY **** WTF NO WAY I'M BUYING THIS SMASH BROS GAME hype to be saved for E-3 because we all know that Smash = automatic win

 

[Bradli Wartooth]

4channers are saying that lineup leak is fake and that it was crafted by some 4chan user. Of course 4chan users are always going to say the most controversial thing they can come up with, so I suppose it's not worth putting a lot of faith in the words of its users.

 

[YoshiandToad]

My Smash prediction:
20 new characters
All toads
Not a single one is captain toad
all the new stages are toads
new story mode with only toads, the final boss is toad
toad
toad

Game of the year, every year quite frankly.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

Fortnite coming to Switch isn't some shocker.

It's the biggest thing in gaming right now, sad as that is.

So even if a leak had Fortnite coming to Switch on it, I really really don't think that's a very solid means of believing it.

 

[BluePikmin11]

As do I

Looking forward to it.

And i am guessing you also have a scenario as if the vergeben leak is a fraud as well.

Not really, I am pretty set with my predictions now. I have no clue who to add when doing a process of elimination and critically thinking about other newcomer choices, some are too risky to gamble. I will just have to see who Sakurai ends up adding that I am not predicting and accept it as it is.

I swear if it has two animal crossing reps on it...

Pay up 1,000,000 bells and I might consider it.

 

[Hinata]

Okay, here's one; if you HAD to give a second character to each third party character already existing in Smash Bros., who would you pick?

Sonic: Tails
Mega Man: Proto Man
Pac-Man: Blinky
Ryu: Chun-Li
Cloud: Tifa
Bayonetta: I literally do not know the series well enough. I own 1 and 2 and fully plan on playing them sometime, so I've avoided anything that could be a potential spoiler.

Sonic: Knuckles
Mega Man: Proto-Man
Pac-Man: Any of the ghosts
Ryu: Chun-Li or Juri
Cloud: Tifa (or Noctis, if we count Cloud as just repping FF as a whole)
Bayonetta: Masked Lumen/Rodin

 

[Tree Gelbman]

If Sora got into Smash Brothers. I'm already calling it? Simple and Clean? Sanctuary?

Not gonna be in the music that comes with him. Let the riots commence before hand.

 

[Zeox]

Mario without mustache for smash 2018.

 

[Bradli Wartooth]

Mario without mustache for smash 2018.

Alright, I'm going to have to ask you to stop. This is your only warning.

 

[Zinith]

While we're on the subject of Toad, one thing that irritates me about Captain Toad speculation is the "no jump" talking point. Yes, in Treasure Tracker he can't jump, but that's missing the entire point. What makes that game what it is is it's "Box Puzzle" aesthetic. You have to use the environment to solve puzzles and get to the star. Not jumping is a small element to it. I don't think Sakurai would keep that into consideration when designing CT's moveset. I see him being a character where you have to think two steps ahead which is more intandem of his game instead of "lol he can't jump. F- tier!!!"

Granted, I don't think he'll have a GOOD jump, but he will jump regardless

 

[CrusherMania1592]

If something Smash related leaks, this board will 404.

Guaranteed.

Let's put it in a basic math session

=

all over the internet =

For at least 12 hours


Boom

 

[BluePikmin11]

If Sora got into Smash Brothers. I'm already calling it? Simple and Clean? Sanctuary?

Not gonna be in the music that comes with him. Let the riots commence before hand.

I would not care much if that happened. They do not really fit as battle music anyway. Tracks like Hand in Hand, Night of Fate, Rage Awakened, The Encounter, and Sinister Shadows would please me enough.

 

[?????????????]

While we're on the subject of Toad, one thing that irritates me about Captain Toad speculation is the "no jump" talking point. Yes, in Treasure Tracker he can't jump, but that's missing the entire point. What makes that game what it is is it's "Box Puzzle" aesthetic. You have to use the environment to solve puzzles and get to the star. Not jumping is a small element to it. I don't think Sakurai would keep that into consideration when designing CT's moveset. I see him being a character where you have to think two steps ahead which is more intandem of his game instead of "lol he can't jump. F- tier!!!"

Granted, I don't think he'll have a GOOD jump, but he will jump regardless

I agree. No character needs to be 100% rooted into the concept of one game. Mario uses both Super Cape and FLUDD; that never happens. Plus, when he's equipped with FLUDD, he apparently is unable to use his fighting moves!

Or how about Zelda? All of her special moves are magic spells that LINK learns, except for the summoning of the Phantom, which is...at best, something Toon Zelda could do? It's a reference to an entirely different timeline!

One of Pikachu's moves is from the trading card game.

Captain Toad could use the appearance and abilities of Captain Toad, while still retaining the powers of regular Toad. I literally see no problem with this.

 

[MrRoidley]

There was a leak with smash info that had nintendo switch fortnite on it (aside from the playable fortnite character one), but I forgot what it was

It was Lazzyman I think... None of the rumors that are still up mentioned Fortnite I think

While we're on the subject of Toad, one thing that irritates me about Captain Toad speculation is the "no jump" talking point. Yes, in Treasure Tracker he can't jump, but that's missing the entire point. What makes that game what it is is it's "Box Puzzle" aesthetic. You have to use the environment to solve puzzles and get to the star. Not jumping is a small element to it. I don't think Sakurai would keep that into consideration when designing CT's moveset. I see him being a character where you have to think two steps ahead which is more intandem of his game instead of "lol he can't jump. F- tier!!!"

Granted, I don't think he'll have a GOOD jump, but he will jump regardless

Yep! Also, Captain Toad's jump situation reminds me of Sonic's situation with swimming.
In canon, Sonic can't swim. In Brawl and Wii U though, he can, but he has one of the slowest swimming speeds in the game, plus he has a way more pronounced drowning animation
Make Captain Toad's jumping abilities one of the worst in the game, I think that already suffices

 

[Radical Bones]

If Ridley does get in, I'm not as worried about the boards crashing, I'm more concerned about all the repetitive jokes we'll have to suffer though.

BIG NEWS.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

I hope they haven't got anything giving away newcomers to set up.

But tragically they probably do.

 

[Hinata]

If Ridley does get in, I'm not as worried about the boards crashing, I'm more concerned about all the repetitive jokes we'll have to suffer though.

BIG NEWS.

ENGAGE RIDLEY
MOTHER ******

 

[Zeox]

Alright, I'm going to have to ask you to stop. This is your only warning.

You have your reasons to be angry, and I sincerely apologize for that, it was a stupid thing to say and I'm sorry.

 

[Roberk]

Don't worry about those leaks, it's just the smaller stuff/info that will be covered in one general E3 Direct. Smash/Prime 4(If it's there)/FE16 will have their own isolated things form all of these other games.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

That's another thing. If Metroid Prime has a large presence? And there's some giant statue of Ridley or something with him in it?

Please hype responsibly.

 

[MrRoidley]

The main problem with leaks is when E3 is approaching and they're setting up the showfloor.
Mario Maker leaked that way in 2014, plus stuff always slips unfortunately (like Animal Crossing amiibo in 2015 and the Yoshi game in 2017)
If something is to leak, I hope it's like the Yoshi leak in 2017 where it didn't catch much attention and it was doubtful enough to people believe in

 

[YoshiandToad]

While we're on the subject of Toad, one thing that irritates me about Captain Toad speculation is the "no jump" talking point. Yes, in Treasure Tracker he can't jump, but that's missing the entire point. What makes that game what it is is it's "Box Puzzle" aesthetic. You have to use the environment to solve puzzles and get to the star. Not jumping is a small element to it. I don't think Sakurai would keep that into consideration when designing CT's moveset. I see him being a character where you have to think two steps ahead which is more intandem of his game instead of "lol he can't jump. F- tier!!!"

Granted, I don't think he'll have a GOOD jump, but he will jump regardless

Finally someone who played the game.

The entire premise of Treasure Tracker is manipulating the stage and enemies to reach the goal. The no jump is just a limiter to allow for more creative puzzles.

That said I don't think a no jumping character would be awful providing several attacks included ways around it such as a terraform special, an excellent distance up + b recovery, a selection of moves that give said character a small vertical boost, etc.

It's just Captain Toad doesn't necessarily need to be stuck with no jumps, especially since he could jump in Galaxy.

 

[monadoboy]

I would not care much if that happened. They do not really fit as battle music anyway. Tracks like Hand in Hand, Night of Fate, Rage Awakened, The Encounter, and Sinister Shadows would please me enough.

I've always loved slow, "unfitting" songs in Smash. Route 209 (my favorite from Brawl), Calling to the Night, Title (Animal Crossing) and Midna's Lament were some of my faves in Brawl. I'd actually be very disappointed if Simple and Clean, etc. didn't get in with Sora.

The Brawl version of Route 209 is one of my favorite musical pieces even outside of video game OST.

Spoiler: This is a masterpiece

 

[WaddleMatt]

Who said Captain Toad had to fight with a full backpack anyway?

Problem Solved.

 

[?????????????]

I've always loved slow, "unfitting" songs in Smash.

I actually want to fight to “Don’t speak her name!” from Fire Emblem Awakening.

 

[Bradli Wartooth]

You have your reasons to be angry, and I sincerely apologize for that, it was a stupid thing to say and I'm sorry.

I accept your apology.... This time...

 

[Pazzo.]

All these rumors from that guy who said Simon + Ridley has gotten a lot wrong before, especially concerning Nintendo stuff.

He said Soul Caliber was going to be a Switch exclusive. He said DBFZ was going to be announced last Direct, etc etc.

 

[NeonBurrito]

Oh ****. One of my friends just sent me something on Discord that looks EXTREMELY convincing. It looks like a new newcomer trailer.

Here's some screenshots. I've spoiled them just in case. These may be legit though. OPEN WITH CAUTION.

Spoiler

 

[CrusherMania1592]

Off the topic of Smash, but does anyone have any unrealistic songs that you would like to see make it to Smash? Like for example, tv series music, movies soundtrack, other games that aren't related to nintendo? Here's a few of mine that would be amazing

- MMPR "Fight"

MMPR - "Combat"

- Okage: Shadow King "Vampire Evil King Battle"

- Kingdon Hearts II "The Encounter"

 

[Pacack]

Okay, here's one; if you HAD to give a second character to each third party character already existing in Smash Bros., who would you pick?

Sonic: Tails
Mega Man: Proto Man
Pac-Man: Blinky
Ryu: Chun-Li
Cloud: Tifa
Bayonetta: I literally do not know the series well enough. I own 1 and 2 and fully plan on playing them sometime, so I've avoided anything that could be a potential spoiler.

Sonic: Eggman
Mega Man: Zero
Pac-Man: Spooky
Ryu: Chun-Li
Cloud: Black Mage
Bayonetta: Jeanne, probably, but Balder has potential as well.

 

[ChronoBound]

Hey! So what happened to ChronoBound ? I thought they were going to do a write up for all the potential characters.

I have been extremely busy lately. I have done two series analyses so far, so not enough for a topic. Also, we will probably get a sizable amount of veteran confirmations and a few newcomer confirmation in less than two weeks which would be integral to any future analysis. We might also get new comments and statements from Sakurai about the direction he plan to take with this game.

This is all integral for any comprehensive character analysis.

I apologize to any who were eagerly waiting for me to post the topic, I have not delivered thus far. Hopefully, I will be able to post it some in the weeks after E3.

 

[Superyoshiom]

Tomorrow is the day I post my prediction roster analysis!

Right now, I am just doing some double-checks to make sure of mistakes and whatnot.

Soon, it will finally be posted!

I look forward to discussion and feedback when the day comes.

The hype is real

 

[Pacack]

Also, regarding voice actors:

Rerecord:


Give English Voices:


Keep Japanese:

 

[BluePikmin11]

I have been extremely busy lately. I have done two series analyses so far, so not enough for a topic. Also, we will probably get a sizable amount of veteran confirmations and a few newcomer confirmation in less than two weeks which would be integral to any future analysis. We might also get new comments and statements from Sakurai about the direction he plan to take with this game.

This is all integral for any comprehensive character analysis.

I apologize to any who were eagerly waiting for me to post the topic, I have not delivered thus far. Hopefully, I will be able to post it some in the weeks after E3.

Good luck with your analyses man! I am nearly finished making my own giant analysis myself, it might be something worth reading to get an interesting perspective.

 

[CyberHyperPhoenix]

Okay, here's one; if you HAD to give a second character to each third party character already existing in Smash Bros., who would you pick?

Sonic: Tails
Mega Man: Proto Man
Pac-Man: Blinky
Ryu: Chun-Li
Cloud: Tifa
Bayonetta: I literally do not know the series well enough. I own 1 and 2 and fully plan on playing them sometime, so I've avoided anything that could be a potential spoiler.

Sonic: Shadow
Mega Man: Zero (MMZ)
Pac-Man: Blinky
Street Fighter: Chun-Li
Final Fantasy: Tifa
Bayonetta: Rodin

 

[StrangeMann]

Some important notes: words among insiders seem to claim that the paperleak a few days ago and the setup leak from today are both genuine, which seems to be quite a shock as it means that we are getting fortnite, paladins, and fighterz on switch.

 

[CyberHyperPhoenix]

Also, regarding voice actors:

Rerecord:


Give English Voices:


Keep Japanese:

We need Fox and Falco to have their Brawl voices back.

Some important notes: words among insiders seem to claim that the paperleak a few days ago and the setup leak from today are both genuine, which seems to be quite a shock as it means that we are getting fortnite, paladins, and fighterz on switch.

Source on the paper leak being legit? I know about today's setup leak being legit, but I haven't heard much about the paper one.

I mean, it'd make sense considering it mentioned FighterZ, Fortnite and FIFA 19, but I'm not so sure about its validity.

 

[Radical Bones]

Also, regarding voice actors:

Rerecord:


Give English Voices:


Keep Japanese:

I agree with this list.

If you think about the characters with the most personality, a lot of it comes down to the SFX associated with the character.

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If we're talking about which characters need a personality boost, which would you like to see become more expressive or simply feel more like their in-game character? For me, the characters that need the personality boost are:












Does is come as a surprise to anyone that the Triforce Trio are on there?

 

[SvartWolf]

regarding the third parties second character:

Sonic: Eggman, there seems to be a conscensus regarding eggman being amazing, but seriously, a well written eggman is such a fun villian.
Megaman. Zero (advance version) i always liked this design, and the gameboy advances games were quite solid... and i certainly enjoyed the story there, Plus, Xs zero is overrated, while we can have a full protagonist Zero
Snake: Rayden I agree with this one, rayden isnt the terrible character some people think it is, and is a great counterpart to snake.
Pacman: no idea... maybe pacman franchise could be considered namco arcade classics, and teh secon character could be another namco's arcade classic such as Dug Dug?
Ryu: Chun-li almost as iconic. and while she would share some mechanichs with ryu, she is a completely different character
Cloud: Torn between Terra and black mage, I will go with terra due to the chance of a final fantasy VI stage
Bayonetta: certain lumen sage. I loved this character in bayonetta 2 and i love how he compliments bayonetta in such a taoist way. Jeanne and Rodin are all cool but the walking spoiler gets my vote.
Simon Belmont: Alucard. wait... you say that simon is still not confirmed? daaaaaamns!