Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[FlareHabanero]

Calling it. Next third party is going to be something people did not expect at all, then people will save face by claiming "OH I KNEW THAT CHARACTER WAS A GUARANTEE ALL ALONG" despite constantly saying it would never happen.

Something like, say, Sol Badguy from Guilty Gear or Arle Nadja from Puyo Puyo.

 

[Zippo]

Banjo and Kazooie for one, would have me wayyyyyy more hype than Cloud and Snake. I will weep if that somehow happens.

 

[NintenZ]

Calling it. Next third party is going to be something people did not expect at all, then people will save face by claiming "OH I KNEW THAT CHARACTER WAS A GUARANTEE ALL ALONG" despite constantly saying it would never happen.

Something like, say, Sol Badguy from Guilty Gear or Arle Nadja from Puyo Puyo.

Arle would be pretty dope, she makes a lot of sense too.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

They can't, the icons are here and the only one I can think of that could top snake is Lara Croft, although she wouldn't outhype cloud probably. But adding 2 is at least gonna generate more hype than 1 regardless of who it is.

I mean, that's pretty much an obvious statement.

More of them would mean more hype for sure. I'm not disagreeing with that.

But... ... ****, I don't know how to finish that thought.

 

[Nekoo]

Calling it. Next third party is going to be something people did not expect at all, then people will save face by claiming "OH I KNEW THAT CHARACTER WAS A GUARANTEE ALL ALONG" despite constantly saying it would never happen.

Something like, say, Sol Badguy from Guilty Gear or Arle Nadja from Puyo Puyo.

Sol Badguy, Ragna or a Persona protagonist is on my secret wishlist.
Legit.
But Imagine discussing them in that resonance box?

 

[CrusherMania1592]

Calling it. Next third party is going to be something people did not expect at all, then people will save face by claiming "OH I KNEW THAT CHARACTER WAS A GUARANTEE ALL ALONG" despite constantly saying it would never happen.

Something like, say, Sol Badguy from Guilty Gear or Arle Nadja from Puyo Puyo.

Crash Bandicoot

 

[osby]

Sol Badguy, Ragna or a Persona protagonist is on my secret wishlist.
Legit.
But Imagine discussing them in that resonance box?

They are all kinda lowkey characters but I agree, it's fun speculation and hardly most improbable thing that discussed here.

Also, it's impossible but I kinda want Aigis and P3 Hero (with Orpheus and Thanatos) in the game.

 

[Cosmic77]

Calling it. Next third party is going to be something people did not expect at all, then people will save face by claiming "OH I KNEW THAT CHARACTER WAS A GUARANTEE ALL ALONG" despite constantly saying it would never happen.

Something like, say, Sol Badguy from Guilty Gear or Arle Nadja from Puyo Puyo.

Sol Badguy and Arle Nadja?

Pffft! Those two would never happen! (As of May 26, 2018)

 

[TMNTSSB4]

I heavily debated on Captain Toad or Dixie, but in the end Dixie won out cause she’s so overdue. Also I feel Fire Emblem is fine the way it is but I’d love Lyn or Celica.

Reasonable enough, though having all of them would be a victory

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. NO.
I refuse to believe that anyone in their right mind would think this.
Simon is at the same level as Megaman... But NOWAY in hell it's even CLOSE to be near Cloud.

Good thing I wouldn’t know that...cause I’m a young fool

 

[papagenos]

I'm really not sure where you got the impression that deluxe version means they didn't have to program anything new. For the existing deluxe versions maybe they didn't and maybe they did. That's not the point. It's just not the sorta distinction anyone naming a game would use because it doesn't matter to a literally anyone outside of the dev team.

Also just because something wouldn't be easy to patch in doesn't mean they have to rewrite the whole engine just to accommodate it. For a deluxe version they can add anything they want. It's always just a question of cost in dollars, time, and people.

We don't know what those costs are because we aren't familiar with the smash 4 engine, but that doesn't mean we should start making guesses based on unknown information.

well literally everything in the world is amount of money, time, and people working on it of course.

read what i said about K Rool and starting positions causing clipping, they might have to rewrite where those are on several stages and that would be an entirely different process than just adding a character thats changing a core system they have written into the game. Thus if we are getting say ridley, we have to remove him from pyrosphere and if you update link to BOTW or if inklings ink effects the stages and it requires recoding how the ground works in the game ect... suddenly at a certain point you arent making a deluxe version you are starting to make a brand new game that has a lot of "stuff" from the last one.

Also I was very specifically talking about IF that leak was real cause it says no cuts and ridley and what we can draw from that info (no cuts/ridley/botw link/inkling) and I was just pointing out how even with those few things we know (again if the leaks true) than simply calling it a "deluxe" version or just adding essentially more DLC doesn't work anymore and its gotta be a new game.

you can take ocarina of time, rework stuff and tweak it until its majoras mask and at a certain point in that process you have to say to yourself "this is actually a different game now isnt it?", all im saying is that from the limited info we have, and if that leak is true a bit more info, it would be my guess due to no cuts and some characters who'd require certain changes made to the game, that this is why this next game is considered a "new" game and not just a "deluxe" port.

 

[SmashChu]

Speaking of improvements, I swear to god, if Pac-Man doesn't get better recolors I'm going to scream.

Most of the guest characters have odd recolors, most likely due to what the licensee will allow. Namco probably wants to keep Pac-Man yellow while Sega wants to keep Sonic Blue. Cloud was also odd as his color pallet didn't stray too far from his default color. Pikachu is like this as well and this is partially due to the Pokemon Company having more autonomy. So I don't think Pac-Man will change much if he comes back because the issue remains.

 

[MoonlitIllusion]

Most of the guest characters have odd recolors, most likely due to what the licensee will only allow certain things. Namco probably wants to keep Pac-Man yellow while Sega wants to keep Sonic Blue. Cloud was also odd as his color pallet didn't stray too far from his default color. Pikachu is like this as well. So I don't think Pac-Man will change much if he comes back because the issue remains.

they could've at least given him different shoes and gloves tho.

 

[SmashChu]

they could've at least given him different shoes and gloves tho.

Well didn't they do that already. I remember the best color was freakin' cooking mittens.

 

[Sigran101]

Calling it. Next third party is going to be something people did not expect at all, then people will save face by claiming "OH I KNEW THAT CHARACTER WAS A GUARANTEE ALL ALONG" despite constantly saying it would never happen.

Something like, say, Sol Badguy from Guilty Gear or Arle Nadja from Puyo Puyo.

Kind of like Wii fit trainer

 

[Nekoo]

. Cloud was also odd as his color pallet didn't stray too far from his default color.

To be fair. Cloud's recolor all comes from his Game/Movie as different rank of the SOLDIER, the geostigma ribbon and the last First Class/Zack's costume...
So even if his recolor are odds, they're actually faithful from his game/Movie

 

[MoonlitIllusion]

Well didn't they do that already. I remember the best color was freakin' cooking mittens.

they gave him a coloured stripe but didn't change the whole glove/shoe which I really cannot understand whatsoever

 

[papagenos]

Kind of like Wii fit trainer

everyone becomes captain hindsight after the game is released haha

 

[SmashChu]

everyone becomes captain hindsight after the game is released haha

Hignsight is 20/20 as they say.

The issue is you are trying to guess something with multiple possibilities. For instance, when I made my roster for Smash 4, I was right on Palutena, Shulk and Little Mac but wrong on everything else (I was close on Chrom I guess). This is why I'm focusing on a few characters I'm very confident on because thats all I can reasonably get right.

There is also this "Ahh, that makes sense" moments after a new character. Wii Fit is a good example. It makes a lot of sense when you think about it, but it wasn't on the radar when people were talking about the game (though it came up a few times). It's just natural when it comes to this.

 

[papagenos]

Hignsight is 20/20 as they say.

The issue is you are trying to guess something with multiple possibilities. For instance, when I made my roster for Smash 4, I was right on Palutena, Shulk and Little Mac but wrong on everything else (I was close on Chrom I guess). This is why I'm focusing on a few characters I'm very confident on because thats all I can reasonably get right.

There is also this "Ahh, that makes sense" moments after a new character. Wii Fit is a good example. It makes a lot of sense when you think about it, but it wasn't on the radar when people were talking about the game (though it came up a few times). It's just natural when it comes to this.

yup, and like you said wii fit makes a lot of sense but at the same time if we didnt get wii fit trainer and got just say, a stage, people would claim it was OBVIOUS we wouldnt get a character but just a stage or balance board item or something. sakurai is hard to predict and usually the "likely" roster everyone around here assumes we'll get ends up being only about half right.

 

[P.Kat]

Okay; just ONE name:

Who should be the next Zelda newcomer in Smash Bros.?


My answer is...

Impa.

I gotta agree, Impa (Hyrule Warriors) should be the next newcomer.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

Random idea for E3: Kid Icarus uprising gets am HD remake for Switch, using controls designed for human beings and not a hypothetical species the evolved to play the original 3DS ad nothing else.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Arle would be pretty dope, she makes a lot of sense too.

I would vouch for that character to the bitter end just because I know the context behind Arle, Carbuncle, Puyo Puyo, Madou Monogatari, DiscStation, Compile, and SEGA. There's a lot of history behind it, much more than people think despite on the surface being a rather straight forward series of puzzle games. If it wasn't for the poor global presence the series is infamous for, I would easily put it on par with similar heavy hitters like Street Fighter.

There's a good reason she's a top 10 pick for me in general. In hindsight it's a strong option since she can possibly fill gaps currently on the roster, like the lacking focus on puzzle games or having a third party that appeals to females. The former also helping influence a possible moveset, such as referencing Puyo Puyo mechanics such as offsetting, chains, All Clear, and Fever.

Sol Badguy, Ragna or a Persona protagonist is on my secret wishlist.
Legit.
But Imagine discussing them in that resonance box?

Believe me, Sol Badguy in particular would be extremely hype. I know people would love that sort of thing, like the fighting game community since Guilty Gear is one of those fan favorites despite it being a niche series. @ManlySpirit in particular would be all in on that I can say that much.

 

[T-Hell]

His emblem should be the Mushroom. But he should still be paired with Wario on the roster.

Whether he represents Mario or Wario, his victory theme should definitely be Wario's, which not only 100% fits him, but also has a little bit of Waluigi's Pinball music.

 

[P.Kat]

Calling it. Next third party is going to be something people did not expect at all, then people will save face by claiming "OH I KNEW THAT CHARACTER WAS A GUARANTEE ALL ALONG" despite constantly saying it would never happen.

Something like, say, Sol Badguy from Guilty Gear or Arle Nadja from Puyo Puyo.

Amateratsu from Okami, don't sleep on her she will make an appearance one way or another 'mark' my words

 

[TMNTSSB4]

Random idea for E3: Kid Icarus uprising gets an HD remake for the Switch, using controls designed for human beings and not a hypothetical species the evolved to play the original 3DS and nothing else.

That isn’t a random idea (though I wouldn’t mind them keeping the L/Move Stick/Touchscreen combo (for the powerups and the menu atleast)

LR button for fighting
Analog Stick for moving and dodging (could also use RZ to dodge)
C-Stick and Touchscreen for the camera and moving the menu stuff around
D-Pad and Touchscreen for powers
Bottom Screen for conversations (like how Smash 4 did the Palutena Guidance)
Graphics uses the Uprising cutscene models because yes

 

[Roberto zampari]

Hey everyone, why don't we talk about the Main theme of Smash Bros for Switch?

What do you think about this?

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

I hope I don’t offend anybody, but I feel that there is a very simple reason everyone does those things when it comes to speculating.

Not only is this series very, very special among the game industry, but it connects the fanbases of numerous different games. Different fans come from different cultures, backgrounds, etc, but we all love the game, talking about the game, and whatever else.

For whatever reason, people connect “being right” or correctly predicting the roster with respect among a group of thousands of internet strangers. In reality, we all just like the game and are excited to play it. Once the game comes out, nobody cares who was right or wrong. That is, unless you make a huge deal out of it and end up being wrong.

Then there are certain people that, at least to me, seem like they don’t actually play the game and only talk about it. It’s an interesting but key aspect of Smash speculation that I think would help people make better predictions.

For example, Ridley. Everybody falls for the hype anytime a leak mentions his name. From a friend of mine, who is also a game programmer, he’s told me that a character like Ridley...in order to portray him accurately would be a nightmare to not only program, but to balance.

Now, the first thing you think of is, “Well, all those mods can do it, why can’t Sakurai?”. When it comes to mods, the characters are made by die hard fans. These are fans who can make their own dreams come true. The way Ridley is shrunken down though? He hasn’t been that small in Metroid in forever. It wouldn’t look right in Smash. Sakurai holds accuracy quite dearly, and when there is a comparable character from the same series...it just doesn’t work.

However, with this website we’re surrounded by people who love this game and love characters. Not as many people understand what it takes to program characters. Then these fans will latch onto whatever leaks say their characters of choice will get in because many around them do the same. Because it would satisfy fans to make Ridley inaccurately, they just go with it. Sakurai does not work that way.

One last thing, relating to Omni. Yesterday he tweeted that he believes the Smash fanbases needs to steer away from “representing” as an argument. Characters should be seen as characters that are a part of their franchises.

I agree.
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Anyway, I really need to take some time to play a Dillon game. I’ve only played a wee bit, but he’s one of my most wanted just based on what he can do. I would love to see the character!

 

[P.Kat]

Random idea for E3: Kid Icarus uprising gets am HD remake for Switch, using controls designed for human beings and not a hypothetical species the evolved to play the original 3DS ad nothing else.

Also a plus if they released a Kid Icarus newcomer for Smash like Phosphora it'll be nice if Sakurai could add her in.

 

[EnthusedPanda]

We already know about Smash Bros, too, though. It was literally announced minutes after the Splatoon update was.

I guess it’s a matter of splitting hairs; I genuinely don’t believe a Splatoon update in and of itself would be branded by the president of the company as something Nintendo fans would be excited enough about to begin paying for an online service. But I have an outsider’s perspective on Splatoon, so perhaps I’m not really qualified to speak to its magnitude.

And by that token, they were announced back to back, yes, but there’s more mystique surrounding the release date of Smash. Do we not know approximately or exactly when this Splatoon update is coming? With Smash, it’s more of a selling point. Which ties back in to me not believing they’d hinge the service being worth waiting for on the existence of a patch for a game, opposed to a game itself.

And as others have said, they don’t necessarily need to launch Smash to get people to pay for online. They’ll have to either way, I acknowledge that. It’s just the choice of language that has me convinced it’s something bigger than a patch. That’s an inordinate amount of hype to generate, if it’s only a patch.

I’ll happily eat my words, but ... I don’t feel it.

 

[IntelliHeath1]

Too bad the characters got leaked at the end.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Hey everyone, why don't we talk about the Main theme of Smash Bros for Switch?

What do you think about this?

Not exactly an official theme though. Just an estimation based on what little we heard of it in March.

 

[TMNTSSB4]

Do we not know approximately or exactly when this Splatoon update is coming? With Smash, it’s more of a selling point. Which ties back in to me not believing they’d hinge the service being worth waiting for on the existence of a patch for a game, opposed to a game itself.

The Splatoon update is supposed to be coming out this Summer (July)

Also a plus if they released a Kid Icarus newcomer for Smash like Phosphora it'll be nice if Sakurai could add her in.

Phosphora before Viridi, Medusa, Magnus and Pimp Daddy Hades would be a shock...and also a weird move to make

 

[papagenos]

Whether he represents Mario or Wario, his victory theme should definitely be Wario's, which not only 100% fits him, but also has a little bit of Waluigi's Pinball music.

I actually think his emblem should be a tennis racket and rep the mario spin off "sports" games, but i agree they should put him next to wario on the character select and that wario victory theme is perfect.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

I just want them to finally do what they've intended since Brawl and give every character their own unique victory theme. Dark Pit, Meta Knight, Rosalina, and Bowser already have theirs, and all the single reps don't need to be messed with. Shouldn't be too much work I figure.

 

[osby]

I actually think his emblem should be a tennis racket and rep the mario spin off "sports" games, but i agree they should put him next to wario on the character select and that wario victory theme is perfect.

Giving Mario spin-offs another franchise tratment would be weird, considering even Dr. Mario don't have his own emblem.

 

[papagenos]

Giving Mario spin-offs another franchise tratment would be weird, considering even Dr. Mario don't have his own emblem.

i didn't think about doctor mario, i suppose thats true.

 

[DraginHikari]

He's big but I don't think he's as recognizable as someone like Sonic or Pac-Man, even Mega Man is more well known than Simon I'd say. Simon isn't really a 3rd party who's gonna be super well known to casual gamers imo and he's certainly not as popular and requested as someone like mega man was by smash fans

Primarily this has to do with the way the Castlevania series has played out. Simon was the primary character for the first two games and Super Castlevania. He is remember as the 'original' since the vast majority of Castlevania game very seldom retain a central main character through multiple games. If Simon had remained the protagonist for a longer period of time he probably would be directly remembered then he currently is.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

Calling it. Next third party is going to be something people did not expect at all, then people will save face by claiming "OH I KNEW THAT CHARACTER WAS A GUARANTEE ALL ALONG" despite constantly saying it would never happen.

Something like, say, Sol Badguy from Guilty Gear or Arle Nadja from Puyo Puyo.

We could even get a character like Professor Layton.

 

[P.Kat]

The Splatoon update is supposed to be coming out this Summer (July)


Phosphora before Viridi, Medusa, Magnus and Pimp Daddy Hades would be a shock...and also a weird move to make

Well I would like to argue that being AT means she could potentially have her foot in the door as a newcomer character just like Little Mac, but that's still not enough evidence to argue with. At most since Kid Icarus is his baby, at most we'll see at least two newcomers if they de-clone Dark Pit's moveset, or three if they drop Dark Pit which I don't see happening.

 

[Roberto zampari]

17 days for Smash Bros for Switch.
I'm checking the Nintendo Switch Controls...

I'M SHOCKED...

• Smash Bros players will have more movesets
• It'll take photos and records from the game
• Better than 3DS and Wii U versions

I predict the Smash Bros for Switch not to have more characters, but to be more advanced than the predecessors...