Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[SchAlternate]

I think a lot of people already expected Smash 5 to be largely based off of Smash 4's engine and assets.
It's just that some doubted there were going to be enough changes to consider Smash 5 any more than just an enhanced port, like MK8DX.

EDIT: Accidentally sent the message before finishing oops.

 

[One winged Devil]

"Smash Switch is just a photoshopped Little Mac!"

 

[CodeBlue_]

Regardless of how much this new game is a port of Smash 4, all I want is a new and singificantly improved single player experience. I don't enjoy multiplayer as much (especially if it close to Smash 4 with it's physics, stage layouts and items) so I really want to play each character in a fun Single Player campaign like Adventure Mode.

Suspace Emissary was such a great mode because it felt like I was invested in all of the characters and could learn to love appreciate all of them. It is an absolute shame Smash 4 didn't have this more and I am praying we see it at E3 with Smash Switch. Imagine Emissary with all 58 veterans (maybe not the Miis lol) and the newcomers?

I would preorder this game on the day of E3 without even owning a Switch. And I have never pre-ordered a game in my life.

 

[ErenJager]

I think a lot of people already expected Smash 5 to be largely based off of Smash 4's engine and assets.
It's just that some doubted there were going to be enough changes to consider Smash 5 any more than just an enhanced port, like MK8DX.

EDIT: Accidentally sent the message before finishing oops.

I believe it'll be more akin to Splatoon 2 rather than Mario Kart 8 Deluxe.

 

[MrRoidley]

Does anyone else view it as a foregone conclusion that the game will launch when the Switch’s paid online service does?

Maybe it will be the main face of Switch Online initially, but I don't think it will launch right alongside it. Imagine people subscribing to it in mass because Smash has launched, maybe they'll prefer to have some time to iron any eventual issues out

 

[EnthusedPanda]

Nope, and I think it's silly that so many people seem to think so.

The online service doesn't need a tie-in game to entice people to pay; the fact that the service is "start paying or you can't play Switch games online anymore" is incentive enough.

Furthermore, there already is something probably launching not long before the service. It's the Splatoon 2 update.

I only read in to it as such because of aforementioned "big thing worth waiting for". I find it hard to believe they'd play coy and not mention the thing by name if we already know about it, ala the Splatoon update.

 

[SchAlternate]

I believe it'll be more akin to Splatoon 2 rather than Mario Kart 8 Deluxe.

My point exactly. Not worded as well as intended, but my point nonetheless.

 

[TMNTSSB4]

I just think Smash 5 will use most of what Smash 4 has and update them all to be more fitting of a sequel (buffs, model changes, Marth and Roy speaking English, Lyn having her Heroes voice, Sonic Boom...cause I like the show..., maybe accurate Bowser/Donky/Diddy voices, all that jazz), but atleast 60-70% of the game is all original (also Smash Run should return because that mode was so much fun to play)

It’ll be like OoT and MM or every WWE/COD/NBA game that comes out year after year

 

[ErenJager]

I just think Smash 5 will use most of what Smash 4 has and update them all to be more fitting of a sequel (buffs, model changes, Marth and Roy speaking English, Lyn having her Heroes voice, Sonic Boom...cause I like the show..., maybe accurate Bowser/Donky/Diddy voices, all that jazz), but atleast 60-70% of the game is all original (also Smash Run should return because that mode was so much fun to play)

It’ll be like OoT and MM or every WWE/COD/NBA game that comes out year after year

Hmm my wishful thinking for improvements...

1) Alph becomes his own character with Rock Pikmin.
2) Mewtwo getting a Mecha Mewtwo skin.
3) Link's 'Dark Link' skin gets a more cosmetically fleshed out Alph treatment.
4) Donkey Kong's Final Smash changed to Coconut Gun.
5) Falco's Final Smash changed to Arwing.

 

[TMNTSSB4]

Hmm my wishful thinking for improvements...

1) Alph becomes his own character with Rock Pikmin.
2) Mewtwo getting a Mecha Mewtwo skin.
3) Link's 'Dark Link' skin gets a more cosmetically fleshed out Alph treatment.
4) Donkey Kong's Final Smash changed to Coconut Gun.
5) Falco's Final Smash changed to Arwing.

1. That seems like a good clone choice
2-3. That sounds good
4. Why would DK also use Coconut Guns instead of his Banana Slamma (punching the moon or his beautiful singing voice)
5. Fits his air preference

 

[osby]

I have a fear that, if they give Falco an Arwing, it will be like Super Sonic in Brawl but bigger and easier to manage.

 

[Idon]

I have a fear that, if they give Falco an Arwing, it will be like Super Sonic in Brawl but bigger and easier to manage.

Nah, the Arwing's way too ****ing huge to be actually onstage.

My guess, it's going to be like that Kirby thing that you have to collect 3 pieces of junk to use that flies directly toward an enemy.
That or it's going to be like ZSS's gunship.

 

[MBRedboy31]

Nah, the Arwing's way too ****ing huge to be actually onstage.

My guess, it's going to be like that Kirby thing that you have to collect 3 pieces of junk to use that flies directly toward an enemy.
That or it's going to be like ZSS's gunship.

The Landmaster is also huge (isn’t it larger than the Arwing?) yet it can also be used onstage, so...
The Arwing wouldn’t be maneuverable enough to be used onstage, though, unless they made it be the walker mode Arwing.
(Or, they could use the helicopter from Star Fox Zero, then it would act much like the Landmaster does but be much more aerially focused.)

 

[osby]

I just looked back a few pages and now I'm sad I missed all the ship talk.

Also, I didn't have a problem with three Landmasters because it was really funny how Falco was complaining about using a land vehicle and Wolf literally saying he stole it. Sue me, I love handwaving in Smash.

 

[Pacack]

Speaking of improvements, I swear to god, if Pac-Man doesn't get better recolors I'm going to scream.

 

[papagenos]

I think a lot of people already expected Smash 5 to be largely based off of Smash 4's engine and assets.
It's just that some doubted there were going to be enough changes to consider Smash 5 any more than just an enhanced port, like MK8DX.

EDIT: Accidentally sent the message before finishing oops.

If the "leak" is true my assumption is that it uses a lot of assets (no cuts is part of the leak) but is in fact a new game because they cant add characters like "ridley" (also part of the leak) without taking him out of his stage or say waluigi or takamaru who are assist trophies. characters like inkling spreading ink around the arena may also need to be something programmed into the game at the core and not added in as DLC. switching up link to be BOTW link may also be something you cant just "add" as DLC or "deluxe" edition game. someone like K Rool might not be achievable due to his height or holding items animation needing to be something they think of from the start, we might not care much but a game developer WILL care a lot if they add a character who say "clips" into part of a stage when certain areas are selected as their "start position" or is buggy with items because they weren't made with a character his shape or size in mind (why bayo might have been chosen as DLC while K Rool or whoever else is saved for the next game).

so im not expecting it to be THAT different from smash 4, but at the same time there is so much stuff that we might not think about that developers and programmers certainly do and you cant just "add" or "change" about the already established game and so at its core this game needs to be "built" with these things in mind and is thus a totally new game, despite probably using a ton of what is in smash 4.

 

[osby]

Speaking of improvements, I swear to god, if Pac-Man doesn't get better recolors I'm going to scream.

I agree. I don't think Namco will allow them to change his yellows (or reds... or oranges...) too much, but still they can be a bit more differentiating.

 

[Pacack]

I agree. I don't think Namco will allow them to change his yellows (or reds... or oranges...) too much, but still they can be a bit more differentiating.

To quote myself:

Give Pac-Man recolors with hats or something. It could reference a bunch of old Namco games and whatnot.

Spoiler: ideas

 

[Staarih]

4) Donkey Kong's Final Smash changed to Coconut Gun.
5) Falco's Final Smash changed to Arwing.

Nahh, I feel like the conga's for DK suit perfectly. Agree with Arwing for Falco though. And I sorta wanna see the Walker as a Final Smash for either Fox or Wolf (and the other would retain the Landmaster), all different vehicles. The more unique Final Smashes the better.

Speaking of which, any other Final Smash improvements/changes in mind?

- I feel like Link/Toon Link could use a new one either way (TL using the Wind Waker to summon waves, for example, always felt like a great idea. BotW-inspired Link could possibly get a new one anyway).
- Greninja could (or could not) become Ash-Greninja, but a giant shuriken is all I wanna see tbh.
- Sheik needs... something different from Zelda.
- I'd kinda like to see Lucas have something of his own and Dedede's go back to Brawl (or another new one), but not too fussed.

All the others are pretty okay, am not opposed to some tweaks all around though. Can't wait to see any newcomers' Final Smashes as well!

 

[Pacack]

- Sheik needs... something of her own.

Playing the Song of Storms on the Goddess Harp to summon lightning or something would work. That said, I don't think the light arrow is unfitting for her as it is.

Should have...literally anything from the SMB series instead of Giga Bowser, tbh.
Might be changed to have something related to Calamity Ganon.
Should shoot an Ancient Arrow at opponents.
Would be better off with something else. Maybe calling Halberd or the Meta Knights?
Ought to be given his signature Z-Move.
Should get the laser from the end of Super Metroid instead of the one she currently has. Would be a cool reference.

 

[Zinith]

Mega Eggdozer. Yes I know Yoshi's New Island is ****, but that's an awesome move

 

[Crap-Zapper]

Soon you will all bow down to Doshin the Giant.

 

[MoonlitIllusion]

I Just had a dream where they announced crash and he had this exact render

Spoiler

as well as dig dug, but he was wearing black and wasn't actually dig dug, he was a character from some movie and I was more so mad they added a none game character than anything else. They also announced mega man again but he had a totally different moveset where one of his specials gave him 6 arms for some reason.

Needless to say dream me was mad lmao.

 

[Zeox]

If Smash switch is build on Smash 4, this means they had 3-4 years of fixing and adding new stuff, if that was the case that would mean this is the biggest, craziest Smash game ever made.
Imagine the possibilities, how many new modes, characters, stages, thropies and other stuff could have been added.

 

[Gestahl]

I really hope they are going to introduce chanse regenerating maps with chanse generated obstacles, it would be such a neat feauture in the future for sure! And yeah, more color variation, maybe a palette of colors, own creation would actually happen and still on one leg.

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

Made a personal prediction roster of sorts.

Yellow ones are who I consider with a good sum of surprise chance based on either Ballot or overall previous presence within fanbases after Smash 4's release. Some also might just be me trying to fill in a slot while considering some other realistic choices (Pokemon Gen 7-reps for example). Not exactly "likely", just with "surprise chance".

On veterans, mostly fan favorites who thought might not be added if priority goes to some other characters.

Green ones are ones I highly believe will be in - while on veterans, I suspect are going to stay based on their overall popularity or easy inclusion (hence clones).


However, don't take this too seriously as the final "roster", since I didn't even fill in enough of them, it's just characters I expect to be there, or are in realms of surprising me a good deal. A big indicator is how features none of the characters I want to see, for myriad of reasons.

EDIT: Crud, I had to make Bubbles be on yellow. Fixed.

 

[Crap-Zapper]

Can you explain why you think Bubbles is likely? Since you have him in Green?

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

Can you explain why you think Bubbles is likely? Since you have him in Green?

It's an overlooked mistake, I was intending her to be yellow, but lost the original image file.

And it's a she, actually.

But if to elaborate on Bubbles being 'likely', I think it's because she seems to have nice sum of moveset potential on top of being a simple yet charming character from the NES Classics. But again, depends on if they wanna make her move all the time (uh...)

I couldn't entirely pin down on deciding with the other characters and Bubbles stood out to me.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

Bubbles doesn't have a lot of direct moveset potential but a little creativity could go a long way. I can imagine them using some mechanics form the DK wing games as they're spiritual successors to Clu clu land.

Side note: I get dizzy listening to the main theme of Clu Clu land. I don't know why.

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

Side note: I get dizzy listening to the main theme of Clu Clu land. I don't know why.

Is that... meant to be joke?

 

[Vintage Creep]

Been away for a long while, you got any new leaks? We're so close goddamn it

 

[Zinith]

Been away for a long while, you got any new leaks? We're so close goddamn it

Unfortunately it was more like quantity over quality...

 

[DeiSakuChris]

Made a personal prediction roster of sorts.

Yellow ones are who I consider with a good sum of surprise chance based on either Ballot or overall previous presence within fanbases after Smash 4's release. Some also might just be me trying to fill in a slot while considering some other realistic choices (Pokemon Gen 7-reps for example). Not exactly "likely", just with "surprise chance".

On veterans, mostly fan favorites who thought might not be added if priority goes to some other characters.

Green ones are ones I highly believe will be in - while on veterans, I suspect are going to stay based on their overall popularity or easy inclusion (hence clones).


However, don't take this too seriously as the final "roster", since I didn't even fill in enough of them, it's just characters I expect to be there, or are in realms of surprising me a good deal. A big indicator is how features none of the characters I want to see, for myriad of reasons.

EDIT: Crud, I had to make Bubbles be on yellow. Fixed.

Do you see Waluigi as a Mario character or a Wario character ?

 

[Zeox]

Master Belch is the best new playable character option and Sakurai knows it, because who doesn't want to play as a puke that burps and smells awful?
...
Me.

 

[NintenRob]

Master Belch is the best new playable character option and Sakurai knows it, because who doesn't want to play as a puke that burps and smells awful?
...
Me.

Does he have a Muk alt?

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

Do you see Waluigi as a Mario character or a Wario character ?

I don't exactly know myself - I think it's bound to be a toss-up between both series, but I might bit lean on Mario-series side.

 

[WeirdChillFever]

He's a Mario character.

 

[NintenRob]

His emblem should be the Mushroom. But he should still be paired with Wario on the roster.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

I just think Smash 5 will use most of what Smash 4 has and update them all to be more fitting of a sequel (buffs, model changes, Marth and Roy speaking English, Lyn having her Heroes voice, Sonic Boom...cause I like the show..., maybe accurate Bowser/Donky/Diddy voices, all that jazz), but atleast 60-70% of the game is all original (also Smash Run should return because that mode was so much fun to play)

Sadly, Sonic Boom: Rise of Lyric was an absolute disaster on the Wii U. You could probably hope for trophy cameos, but this is probably one game that you're better off forgetting altogether; at least Sonic 2006 had some positive things, despite of its atrocious reception.

Speaking of improvements, I swear to god, if Pac-Man doesn't get better recolors I'm going to scream.

There's probably a good reason why PAC-MAN has to remain yellow, since he is Namco's primary mascot, and Sakurai didn't want to use the newer PAC-MAN incarnations.

 

[MoonlitIllusion]

His emblem should be the Mushroom. But he should still be paired with Wario on the roster.

Considering they randomly stuck yoshi in the middle of the mario characters I see no reason they can't do that