Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[NintenRob]

Probably a bit of the blue question. But how would you guys feel about third party stages without an associated character

Specifically a Tetris stage and a Minecraft stage.

 

[Pazzo.]

Waluigi is still a Mario character. What Wario titles has he shown up in?

 

[Burb]

I only read in to it as such because of aforementioned "big thing worth waiting for". I find it hard to believe they'd play coy and not mention the thing by name if we already know about it, ala the Splatoon update.

We already know about Smash Bros, too, though. It was literally announced minutes after the Splatoon update was.

 

[MoonlitIllusion]

I just think Smash 5 will use most of what Smash 4 has and update them all to be more fitting of a sequel (buffs, model changes, Marth and Roy speaking English, Lyn having her Heroes voice, Sonic Boom...cause I like the show..., maybe accurate Bowser/Donky/Diddy voices, all that jazz), but atleast 60-70% of the game is all original (also Smash Run should return because that mode was so much fun to play)

It’ll be like OoT and MM or every WWE/COD/NBA game that comes out year after year

Changes I'm expecting:
- Breath of the Wild versions of Link, Zelda, Ganondorf and possibly Sheik, they could revert sheik to her original design as well since Zelda and Sheik are seperate now. Link and Zelda of course get their new voice actors, with Zelda having actual lines this time which is cool.
- Samus Returns/Prime 4 Samus, Namco is working on both so the design is probably easy to obtain
- Star Fox Zero Fox, Falco and possibly Wolf.
- Roy and Marth with english voices, Ray Chase and Yuri Lowenthal both do great a great job and I'd like to see them included.
- And I'm hoping for brand new voice acting for the whole cast, too many characters are still using their brawl clips and it's about time they were updated. Particularly ZSS and Ike feel very outdated. And give Bowser and the Apes their canon voices please, the animal/monster sounds do not fit the cartoony aesthetic at all

 

[Guybrush20X6]

Waluigi is still a Mario character. What Wario titles has he shown up in?

A single cameo in Warioware Smooth Moves. That's it.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

Probably a bit of the blue question. But how would you guys feel about third party stages without an associated character

Specifically a Tetris stage and a Minecraft stage.

It's probably not worth it if you need to acquire the rights to use such content. Then again, Smash Wii U did give Rayman a trophy cameo, and he's Ubisoft's property.

 

[Zippo]

Still really surprised how light on leaks this period has been. The game must really be under lock and key this time. Unless someone is able to get into Nintendo's booth early this year and snaps pictures of it. (ala Mario Maker), it's safe to say the hype train is leak free this time. Though, I will admit I'm not opposed to another wild ride over a couple blurry, poor quality pictures. Those times were magical.

 

[Mr. Mumbles]

If the "leak" is true my assumption is that it uses a lot of assets (no cuts is part of the leak) but is in fact a new game because they cant add characters like "ridley" (also part of the leak) without taking him out of his stage or say waluigi or takamaru who are assist trophies. characters like inkling spreading ink around the arena may also need to be something programmed into the game at the core and not added in as DLC. switching up link to be BOTW link may also be something you cant just "add" as DLC or "deluxe" edition game. someone like K Rool might not be achievable due to his height or holding items animation needing to be something they think of from the start, we might not care much but a game developer WILL care a lot if they add a character who say "clips" into part of a stage when certain areas are selected as their "start position" or is buggy with items because they weren't made with a character his shape or size in mind (why bayo might have been chosen as DLC while K Rool or whoever else is saved for the next game).

so im not expecting it to be THAT different from smash 4, but at the same time there is so much stuff that we might not think about that developers and programmers certainly do and you cant just "add" or "change" about the already established game and so at its core this game needs to be "built" with these things in mind and is thus a totally new game, despite probably using a ton of what is in smash 4.

I'm really not sure where you got the impression that deluxe version means they didn't have to program anything new. For the existing deluxe versions maybe they didn't and maybe they did. That's not the point. It's just not the sorta distinction anyone naming a game would use because it doesn't matter to a literally anyone outside of the dev team.

Also just because something wouldn't be easy to patch in doesn't mean they have to rewrite the whole engine just to accommodate it. For a deluxe version they can add anything they want. It's always just a question of cost in dollars, time, and people.

We don't know what those costs are because we aren't familiar with the smash 4 engine, but that doesn't mean we should start making guesses based on unknown information.

 

[Zeox]

Does he have a Muk alt?

He better have or Sakurai will be fired.

 

[TMNTSSB4]

Sadly, Sonic Boom: Rise of Lyric was an absolute disaster on the Wii U. You could probably hope for trophy cameos, but this is probably one game that you're better off forgetting altogether; at least Sonic 2006 had some positive things, despite of its atrocious reception.

The game definitely deserves to be forgotten, but that show the game was based on was an absolute with well done versions of the character (especially Amy, Eggman, and even Knuckles the Feminist)

Changes I'm expecting:
- Breath of the Wild versions of Link, Zelda, Ganondorf and possibly Sheik, they could revert sheik to her original design as well since Zelda and Sheik are seperate now. Link and Zelda of course get their new voice actors, with Zelda having actual lines this time which is cool.
- Samus Returns/Prime 4 Samus, Namco is working on both so the design is probably easy to obtain
- Star Fox Zero Fox, Falco and possibly Wolf.
- Roy and Marth with english voices, Ray Chase and Yuri Lowenthal both do great a great job and I'd like to see them included.
- And I'm hoping for brand new voice acting for the whole cast, too many characters are still using their brawl clips and it's about time they were updated. Particularly ZSS and Ike feel very outdated. And give Bowser and the Apes their canon voices please, the animal/monster sounds do not fit the cartoony aesthetic at all

English Zelda is something direly needed, Wolf must return (for the sake of the man Etika), Samus does need new voice clips alongside the Mario animals not named Yoshi (it really does seem weird without hearing normal voices), and I’m still not sure if Nampo is actually working on Metroid Prime 4...but I want them to

Also Marth, Roy, and Lyn with their Heroes voice actors (or atleast their reused voice clips) > what they currently got

 

[NintenZ]

So assuming the leaks are true, here's my new prediction roster for Smash for Switch:

It originally had Tetra, Decidueye and Rayman on it now has Ridley, Simon and a spot for a Pokemon character cause I have no idea if we'll get Decidueye or not.

 

[Garteam]

Didn't know that Microsoft was Indie...

Minecraft started as an Indie game, being completely self-developed and self-published. You could argue that now that Microsoft has stepped in, its not really indie.

Although by that same logic Shovel Knight isn't an indie, at least in Japan, where it is published by Nintendo.

 

[Opossum]

Minecraft started as an Indie game, being completely self-developed and self-published. You could argue that now that Microsoft has stepped in, its not really indie.

Although by that same logic Shovel Knight isn't an indie, at least in Japan, where it is published by Nintendo.

The difference is that Nintendo only has the publishing rights (and only in one country). Meanwhile Microsoft outright purchased Minecraft.

 

[MoonlitIllusion]

So assuming the leaks are true, here's my new prediction roster for Smash for Switch:

It originally had Tetra, Decidueye and Rayman on it now has Ridley, Simon and a spot for a Pokemon character cause I have no idea if we'll get Decidueye or not.

As much as I love on want Fiora I wouldn't call her likely, she could be a great Elma clone but I doubt they'd actually do it.

 

[NintenZ]

As much as I love on want Fiora I wouldn't call her likely, she could be a great Elma clone but I doubt they'd actually do it.

I personally feel that she has enough to stand on her own rather than just being an Elma clone, they are completely separate entities. As such I doubt she'd be an Elma clone.

 

[MoonlitIllusion]

I personally feel that she has enough to stand on her own rather than just being an Elma clone, they are completely separate entities.

They could be, I don't see the point of making them completely unique when they fight in the same way after all, it's the most likely way we're gonna get a second character from the original Xenoblade imo. Also why'd you cut Rayman? He still seems more likely than the majority of 3rd parties after all and after smash 4 only adding 1 minor 3rd party would be kinda disappointing

 

[NintenZ]

They could be, I don't see the point of making them completely unique when they fight in the same way after all, it's the most likely way we're gonna get a second character from the original Xenoblade imo. Also why'd you cut Rayman? He still seems more likely than the majority of 3rd parties after all and after smash 4 only adding 1 minor 3rd party would be kinda disappointing

I understand but I wanted the roster to have ten newcomers exactly and to round it out I felt one third-party was enough since we have so many. Also Simon isn't minor in the slightest, he's actually an icon of the Metroidvania genera.

 

[MoonlitIllusion]

I understand but I wanted the roster to have ten newcomers exactly and to round it out I felt one third-party was enough since we have so many. Also Simon isn't minor in the slightest, he's actually an icon of the Metroidvania genera.

Simon is iconic but he's not a pacman, sonic, or cloud. I wouldn't call him extremely major or recognizable imo, at least not moreso than those guys

 

[TMNTSSB4]

So assuming the leaks are true, here's my new prediction roster for Smash for Switch:

It originally had Tetra, Decidueye and Rayman on it now has Ridley, Simon and a spot for a Pokemon character cause I have no idea if we'll get Decidueye or not.

The lack of Captain Toad is scary...and I don’t see Xenoverse Chronicles getting two reps (if it was one for each of the three games than sure, but two from 1...nah)...also needs more Lyn or Celica. Matter of fact, replace everyone with a variation of Pit.

 

[Garteam]

The difference is that Nintendo only has the publishing rights (and only in one country). Meanwhile Microsoft outright purchased Minecraft.

I guess it all comes down to where you draw the lines for "indie" and how independent a game has to be to be indie. I personally consider Minecraft an indie game because the bulk of the base game and the first few years of release were done on an indie budget without the involvement of a major corporation. Likewise, some other people would say the second a major corporation steps in for anything the game isn't indie.

The fact we don't have a great concrete definition is kinda difficult to say whether Minecraft is indie or not. Wikipedia defines indie games as "often created without the financial support of publisher", so Minecraft is kind in a gray area where it was mostly indie but became non-indie with the buyout.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Simon is iconic but he's not a pacman, sonic, or cloud.

Neither is Rayman and yet you think he's one of the most likely third-parties.

 

[MoonlitIllusion]

Neither is Rayman and yet you think he's one of the most likely third-parties.

I never said Rayman was, but 2 relatively minor 3rd parties would be more hype inducing than 1

 

[TMNTSSB4]

Simon is iconic but he's not a pacman, sonic, or cloud. I wouldn't call him extremely major or recognizable imo, at least not moreso than those guys

As a young fool who’s never played Final Fantasy or Castlevania, I’d say Simon and Cloud are on equal footing compared to the other 4 (and Bayo is a mixed breed)

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

I never said Rayman was, but 2 relatively minor 3rd parties would be more hype inducing than 1

Simon Belmont? Minor? Nice joke.

He'd be to Smash 5 what Mega Man was to Smash 4; a third-party that's not doing that great around the game's release, but was SUPER HUGE back in the 80s.

 

[NintenZ]

The lack of Captain Toad is scary...and I don’t see Xenoverse Chronicles getting two reps (if it was one for each of the three games than sure, but two from 1...nah)...also needs more Lyn or Celica. Matter of fact, replace everyone with a variation of Pit.

I heavily debated on Captain Toad or Dixie, but in the end Dixie won out cause she’s so overdue. Also I feel Fire Emblem is fine the way it is but I’d love Lyn or Celica.

 

[MoonlitIllusion]

Simon Belmont? Minor? Nice joke.

He'd be to Smash 5 what Mega Man was to Smash 4; a third-party that's not doing that great around the game's release, but was SUPER HUGE back in the 80s.

He's big but I don't think he's as recognizable as someone like Sonic or Pac-Man, even Mega Man is more well known than Simon I'd say. Simon isn't really a 3rd party who's gonna be super well known to casual gamers imo and he's certainly not as popular and requested as someone like mega man was by smash fans

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

He's big but I don't think he's as recognizable as someone like Sonic or Pac-Man, even Mega Man is more well known than Simon I'd say. Simon isn't really a 3rd party who's gonna be super well known to casual gamers imo.

Smash has already gotten some of the most recognizable faces in all of gaming in its third-parties.

But there's not a billion characters like that, so future third-parties are bound to not be as recognizable to casuals as people like Sonic or Mega Man.

They could still be icons, just that the casual gamer might not know them.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Still really surprised how light on leaks this period has been. The game must really be under lock and key this time. Unless someone is able to get into Nintendo's booth early this year and snaps pictures of it. (ala Mario Maker), it's safe to say the hype train is leak free this time. Though, I will admit I'm not opposed to another wild ride over a couple blurry, poor quality pictures. Those times were magical.

Likely it's related to the ESRB leaks from years ago, possibly the Gematsu leaks too. It's pretty blatant that Nintendo does not want anything leaked out like last time, going so far as to flat out nuke accounts of their own employees.

 

[MoonlitIllusion]

Smash has already gotten some of the most recognizable faces in all of gaming in its third-parties.

But there's not a billion characters like that, so future third-parties are bound to not be as recognizable to casuals as people like Sonic or Mega Man.

Of course but adding more than one is a way to get around that, use different characters to appeal to different audiences. I'd personally be a little disappointed if we just got Simon and no one else as far as 3rd parties go, I'm sure I'm not alone in being too young to never have been exposed to classic castlevania. I don't think Simon is really known by the majority of people.

 

[Opossum]

I mean, Simon definitely isn't Mario or Link or Sonic or Pac-Man level huge, but I definitely think Castlevania is on the level of Mega Man or Metroid. You know the smaller-but-well-known franchises from the old days. Not someone people recognize off the street, but very much characters associated with old-school Nintendo.

 

[wildvine47]

:) RT @Rodolfo69510530 My friend Kamiya !! Well, I guess I can call it that. I would love for Nintendo to deliver into your hands and from Platinum the game "The Mysterious Murasame Castle", a whole new game. pic.twitter.com/iI6KaeDNU3

— 無職? 神谷英樹 Unemployed? Hideki Kamiya (@HidekiKamiya_X) May 26, 2018

Iiiiiiiiinteresting...

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

:) RT @Rodolfo69510530 My friend Kamiya !! Well, I guess I can call it that. I would love for Nintendo to deliver into your hands and from Platinum the game "The Mysterious Murasame Castle", a whole new game. pic.twitter.com/iI6KaeDNU3

— 無職? 神谷英樹 Unemployed? Hideki Kamiya (@HidekiKamiya_X) May 26, 2018

Iiiiiiiiinteresting...

I'd be all down for this sort of revival - and I bet it'd be able to receive more next installments than did.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Of course but adding more than one is a way to get around that, use different characters to appeal to different audiences. I'd personally be a little disappointed if we just got Simon and no one else as far as 3rd parties go, I'm sure I'm not alone in being too young to never have been exposed to classic castlevania. I don't think Simon is really known by the majority of people.

Not every third-party needs to be recognizable by a casual gamer to be a valid inclusion for Smash.

And there's no need to "compensate" for a lesser-known third-party by adding another, especially since it would mean more lisencing rights to get.

A third-party should be in Smash by its own merits, not because "we need another lesser-known guy to compensate for our other lesser-known guy"

 

[Imadethistoseealeak]

I never said Rayman was, but 2 relatively minor 3rd parties would be more hype inducing than 1

How would you feel about Simon, Rayman and the return of Snake? Is that a more hype 3rd party newcomer group? Not only do I think it's likely, assuming the rumors are true, but it's what I'm predicting on my roster and I want oppinions.

 

[Nekoo]

As a young fool who’s never played Final Fantasy or Castlevania, I’d say Simon and Cloud are on equal footing compared to the other 4 (and Bayo is a mixed breed)

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. NO.
I refuse to believe that anyone in their right mind would think this.
Simon is at the same level as Megaman... But NOWAY in hell it's even CLOSE to be near Cloud.

 

[MoonlitIllusion]

Not every third-party needs to be recognizable by a casual gamer to be a valid inclusion for Smash.

And there's no need to "compensate" for a lesser-known third-party by adding another, especially since it would mean more lisencing rights to get.

A third-party should be in Smash by its own merits, not because "we need another lesser-known guy to compensate for our other lesser-known guy"

True but I still consider adding just one, that one being simon would be disappointing when previous games gave us both Solid Snake and Sonic, and then Mega Man and Pac-Man in addition to Sonic. Adding 2 3rd parties seems like a good way to go about things.

 

[osby]

I'd be all down for this sort of revival - and I bet it'd be able to receive more next installments than did.

If it's successful, definitely. Kid Icarus returned being dormant just because director wanted it to be a one time deal.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

True but I still consider adding just one, that one being simon would be disappointing when previous games gave us both Solid Snake and Sonic, and then Mega Man and Pac-Man in addition to Sonic. Adding 2 3rd parties seems like a good way to go about things.

In all fairness, what the hell can they do that'll top Snake or Cloud?

Not a lot of characters can generate as much hype as these two, if any.

 

[MoonlitIllusion]

In all fairness, what the hell can they do that'll top Snake or Cloud?

Not a lot of characters can generate as much hype as these two, if any.

They can't, the icons are here and the only one I can think of that could top snake is Lara Croft, although she wouldn't outhype cloud probably. But adding 2 is at least gonna generate more hype than 1 regardless of who it is.

 

[osby]

Rather than getting more guest fighters, I hope all of them returns. I don't expect any cuts but I still won't take anyone for granted after Snake.