Godzillathewonderdog
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Just watch Gamexplain's video on how Captain Toad could accurately be represented in Smash. You guys need to be more imaginative.
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Tree Gelbman
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Literally it's so simple. Sakurai can legit just introduce Captain Toad and do a typical lame Sakurai joke of ''It's a good thing he packed light for Smash."
Boom. He jumps.
Everyone moves on with their life. Captain Toad is still faithful to his game. The end.
Boom. He jumps.
Everyone moves on with their life. Captain Toad is still faithful to his game. The end.
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I mean Sonic can not swim and Sakurai made him swim.
Why can it not be the same thing as Captain Toad? Make Captain Toad have a low jump.
Also before you say "Captain Toad not jumping stands out in the game!", so does Sonic not swimming.
I think Captain Toad jumping is fine.
Why can it not be the same thing as Captain Toad? Make Captain Toad have a low jump.
Also before you say "Captain Toad not jumping stands out in the game!", so does Sonic not swimming.
I think Captain Toad jumping is fine.
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Your roster is pretty awesome! Excite Biker is a unique choice. I see how he could work after you explained it. May I ask what roster maker you used? I love your icons and would like to make one myself.
Bionichute
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how exactly is bomberman more likely than anything else at this point
we got Cloud, anything is possible
we got Cloud, anything is possible
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I love your roster but I dont get how Rex and Pyra can be on it when an ARMS can't considering ARMS came out first.
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If rex and pyra are going to be on your list, there's 0 reason for springman not to be there.
Based on timing you can have spring man, and miss rex, but it doesn't work the other way around.
Based on timing you can have spring man, and miss rex, but it doesn't work the other way around.
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blackghost
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anything is possible when companies act reasonably. what makes you think konami is?
the capt toad argument is the second dumbest argument on here (pyra's clothing). if you really except a character to show up and not be able to jump you are tripping. get off this forum right now and go play a round of smash. no count how many times you jump or double jump.
if you truly CANNOT or do not want him to jump you dont want him in this game or you want him in as a terrible assist trophy.
what final smash changes do you want to see? i would like shiek, roy (if he returns), mario, zss, game and watch, dark pit, charzard (just modified), lucario (completely changed), DK (PLEASE SAVE HIM), wi fit, and deedee changed
Bionichute
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you're right I actually DON'T think that Konami can be reasonable as a company
Dragoncharystary
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how exactly is anyone else more likely than bomberman at this point
we got Cloud, anything is possible
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Since some people are posting roster predictions, here is mine, along with explanations.
Newcomers:
Captain Toad: Sakurai is aware that people have wanted Toad playable in a Smash game, and this is the perfect opportunity to get him in. I don't believe Sakurai will neglect to add him this time.
Ashley: Ashley is a very popular character in Japan and appears in all kinds of promotional material. On top of that, the Warioware franchise is a very popular one. I think Ashley will make the jump from Assist Trophy/Mii Costume to playable.
Dixie Kong: I went with Dixie over K. Rool because of her recent relevance. She has been the supporting character in DKC 2, and the lead in DKC 3. And now she is making an appearance in Tropical Freeze, both the original and the remake. I think she's the most logical Donkey Kong newcomer.
Bandana Dee: Dunno how much of an explanation he needs. I can't imagine he's a character any of you will challenge
Unnamed Pokemon: I just don't want to predict the Pokemon, honestly. I am not convinced any of the options are better than the others. This one is entirely up to Sakurai's discretion and I'm interested to see what we get.
Takamaru: He feels like the frontrunner for a classic character. The only thing that wound up holding him back in the past was his lack of relevance to the west, and Nintendo somewhat randomly released his game on the Wii U eShop, seemingly to net him at least some popularity outside of Japan.
Isabelle: She would be the most logical character should Animal Crossing get a new character. There's plenty of material to use for a character there, after all.
Rex & Pyra: I'm still not convinced they'll be on the base roster, though I think Sakurai would consider giving Monolith the benefit of the doubt when it comes to releasing a good game, especially within the Xenoblade Chronicles series where the first one was incredible. We'll see what happens, though.
Spring Man: Not convinced about his inclusion either, I think this really depends on Nintendo pushing Sakurai to include an ARMS character as some form of advertisement. ARMS has been out for a little bit now, though, and I wouldn't be shocked if it was at least considered.
Joker: This one probably needs the most explanation. I am actually convinced that Atlus has a strong chance of having a character placed in Smash Bros. Atlus games have supported Nintendo consoles since the 90's. On top of just supporting the consoles, they also were granted a crossover title with Tokyo Mirage Sessions #FE. Not a lot of total third-party companies are granted access to Nintendo IPs, as Nintendo is very protective of their property. Another thing to consider is that Sakurai had played and heavily praised Persona 5 as of mid-late 2016, probably shortly after the game's JP release. (https://personacentral.com/super-smash-bros-series-creator-discusses-persona-5s-ui/) Back on the topic of Atlus as a company and what they would add, they do have several options. They could choose the MC of the Shin Megami Tensei title that released in the same time frame on Nintendo consoles. That would be logical, correct? Not necessarily.
Atlus has been heavily pushing Persona 5 content, even more so than Shin Megami Tensei content. There has been all kinds of advertisement, promotionals, DLC, an anime, and even a guy in a big Morgana costume walking around for Persona 5. If Sakurai contacts Atlus about a character, they're not going to say "Well lets use the one on the Nintendo console!" They're going to say "Let's use the one we're marketing the most!" And right now, as well as 2016 when the game released and the Smash roster was likely decided, that character is Joker. And also, Joker will be on Nintendo consoles with the release of Persona Q2 for 3DS. I think he makes perfect sense.
Ashley: Ashley is a very popular character in Japan and appears in all kinds of promotional material. On top of that, the Warioware franchise is a very popular one. I think Ashley will make the jump from Assist Trophy/Mii Costume to playable.
Dixie Kong: I went with Dixie over K. Rool because of her recent relevance. She has been the supporting character in DKC 2, and the lead in DKC 3. And now she is making an appearance in Tropical Freeze, both the original and the remake. I think she's the most logical Donkey Kong newcomer.
Bandana Dee: Dunno how much of an explanation he needs. I can't imagine he's a character any of you will challenge
Unnamed Pokemon: I just don't want to predict the Pokemon, honestly. I am not convinced any of the options are better than the others. This one is entirely up to Sakurai's discretion and I'm interested to see what we get.
Takamaru: He feels like the frontrunner for a classic character. The only thing that wound up holding him back in the past was his lack of relevance to the west, and Nintendo somewhat randomly released his game on the Wii U eShop, seemingly to net him at least some popularity outside of Japan.
Isabelle: She would be the most logical character should Animal Crossing get a new character. There's plenty of material to use for a character there, after all.
Rex & Pyra: I'm still not convinced they'll be on the base roster, though I think Sakurai would consider giving Monolith the benefit of the doubt when it comes to releasing a good game, especially within the Xenoblade Chronicles series where the first one was incredible. We'll see what happens, though.
Spring Man: Not convinced about his inclusion either, I think this really depends on Nintendo pushing Sakurai to include an ARMS character as some form of advertisement. ARMS has been out for a little bit now, though, and I wouldn't be shocked if it was at least considered.
Joker: This one probably needs the most explanation. I am actually convinced that Atlus has a strong chance of having a character placed in Smash Bros. Atlus games have supported Nintendo consoles since the 90's. On top of just supporting the consoles, they also were granted a crossover title with Tokyo Mirage Sessions #FE. Not a lot of total third-party companies are granted access to Nintendo IPs, as Nintendo is very protective of their property. Another thing to consider is that Sakurai had played and heavily praised Persona 5 as of mid-late 2016, probably shortly after the game's JP release. (https://personacentral.com/super-smash-bros-series-creator-discusses-persona-5s-ui/) Back on the topic of Atlus as a company and what they would add, they do have several options. They could choose the MC of the Shin Megami Tensei title that released in the same time frame on Nintendo consoles. That would be logical, correct? Not necessarily.
Atlus has been heavily pushing Persona 5 content, even more so than Shin Megami Tensei content. There has been all kinds of advertisement, promotionals, DLC, an anime, and even a guy in a big Morgana costume walking around for Persona 5. If Sakurai contacts Atlus about a character, they're not going to say "Well lets use the one on the Nintendo console!" They're going to say "Let's use the one we're marketing the most!" And right now, as well as 2016 when the game released and the Smash roster was likely decided, that character is Joker. And also, Joker will be on Nintendo consoles with the release of Persona Q2 for 3DS. I think he makes perfect sense.
Cuts:
I just took a slice from that Fire Emblem section. Even as a passionate Fire Emblem fan who will buy all the games they release in the West, I see them as the easiest franchise to trim. Sakurai publicly recognized that Fire Emblem may be getting a little too much attention. So I decided to slice out Corrin and Roy. This is also assuming Lucina gets reworked to Wolf-ified clone status. I think if one of Roy or Corrin were to stay, it would be Corrin.
Afterthoughts:
I think I did pretty well to not let personal bias interfere too much. I think the only personal bias character I placed was Joker, but I feel I have logical reason to believe in him.
Hypothetically, if this were the final roster even without Joker, I would be pretty happy. Although Ashley is the only character I added that would get me super hyped other than Joker, I do believe this roster does justice to Nintendo franchises and covers those who "deserve" to make it in the game. I hope you all enjoy the roster!
Hypothetically, if this were the final roster even without Joker, I would be pretty happy. Although Ashley is the only character I added that would get me super hyped other than Joker, I do believe this roster does justice to Nintendo franchises and covers those who "deserve" to make it in the game. I hope you all enjoy the roster!
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Captain Shwampy
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God I hope Ashley or atleast one Wario character makes it in
Everytime i see these roster predictions Wario is always alone in all of them. It makes me want to cry.
Everytime i see these roster predictions Wario is always alone in all of them. It makes me want to cry.
osby
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I really liked this roster. My only problems is that it cuts Roy (it's kinda unfair for his fans to cut him a SECOND time) and I'm kinda sceptical about Joker's chances, regardless of how much I love Persona. But other than that, well done!
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My reasons for including him are extremely detailed if you hadn't read them. I think if there were more shoo-in characters, I would take him out in favor of them. However due to the lack of obvious options, I think being a character from a critically acclaimed game made by a Nintendo-faithful company helps him a ton. Of course, as pointed out in the afterthoughts, he is still my bias pick.
I was also very reluctant to get rid of Roy. Tbh I actually think DLC characters have some of the lowest actual chances of getting cut due to having more up-to-date animations/models than any of the base roster characters. Just felt like Corrin/Roy would receive the least backlash for me to reply to if I removed them lmao.
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TheLastJinjo
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Xenoblade is an IP that's existed since 2010. The reason I don't have Arms is the reason Melee had Roy, but not Olimar. Roy was brand new and so was Pikmin, but Pikmin was a new IP, while Fire Emblem was not.
Xenoblade 2 has been in development as far back as 2014.
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Bradli Wartooth
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Yeah, I don't really agree with the "If we have XC2, we have to have ARMS" argument for this exact reason. I do think ARMS is still possible, but I think XC2 is more likely.
TheLastJinjo
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Pauline has been in been in 10 Donkey Kong games and literally one Mario game. The world Pauline was in in Odyssey was surrounded by references to Donkey Kong & Donkey Kong Country, that's why she's the mayor of New Donk City. Super Smash Bros for Wii U labeled her a Donkey Kong character.
I would say it's dumb to be arguing about a character's emblem, but it's historically dishonest to label her native to the Super Mario universe.
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This the biggest thing that hinders 3rd party characters. The willingness of the IP holder to work with Nintendo and reach an agreement. Konami has burnt quite a few bridges in recent years and I wouldn't be surprised if working with them is extremely difficult for Nintendo to do or if they even want to. Konami has quite a hatedom not only with the gaming community as a whole but with other gaming companies.
papagenos
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Essentially perfect (and my most wanted geno isnt there and i still say this would be perfect). Sadly knowing sakurai he usually chooses NOT to give us what we expect... and at this point I'd really rather get an expected roster like this and have him break his pattern of "surprise couldnt guess those characters could ya!" and just give us the few remaining character who SHOULD be here. this roster does that and more. This is pretty close to what I tend to be guessing myself lately though I tend to drop the ARMS rep (i just feel sakurai waits series out a full console before reping them) and drop the rhythm heaven rep in favor of some totally left field WTF character, im always back and forth if ridley will ever be here so sometimes i switch sylux for him as i feel metroid deserves someone new, and I usually have three third party characters but otherwise looks just like my own prediction roster(s), i like it.So I wasted my time doing something that might be interesting. By going through the roster thread I created a roster based on the characters most predicted/requested.
Just some notes
- I didn't bother counting up veterans as most rosters did not have cuts, it seems the consensus is there will be none.
- Captain Toad and Toad were counted together. Overall definitely saw more Captain Toad though.
- Chorus Men just represents a Rhythm Heaven character. Counted separately none of the Rhythm Heaven characters were predicted/requested enough but together they were. I figured it was fair since no one is quite sure how the series would be represented, but on average people expect a Rhythm Heaven character.
Overall this roster is kind of....lack luster??? However it does have some of my most wanted including my number one so I wouldn't complain. Just doesn't look like what we will actually get lol.
So what do you guys think?
osby
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Wait, since when suprise element has been the deciding factor in character picks? All of the newcomers in Smash For, barring third parties and Corrin, was pretty easy to predict in retrospective.
Rhythm Heaven is successful and popular, there's no reason to reject a character from it just because it isn't unpredictable enough.
Also no offense but "x needs someone new" is a really weak argument for putting in a character like Sylux.
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MopedOfJustice
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Yeah, remember all the roster predictions with Wii Fit Trainer and how well-received they were by the speculation community?
Because I'd appreciate it if you'd remind me of that happening.
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I think what was osby meant was that all the choices in the game made sense, although they weren't predicted. Wii Fit makes total sense in retrospect, and you're kidding yourself if you think otherwise.
papagenos
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Everythings easy in retrospect but characters like game and watch, r.o.b., wii fit trainer , dark pit, toon link, dr. mario, rosalina... I feel like sakurai gets pretty wacky in his choices, far from what people were guessing at before brawl and then smash 4 his choices get pretty out there from what people expected imo anyway, and then the final roster tends to look nothing like what people guess at when we are at THIS stage in knowing the newcomers for a smash title. Even whos cut is tough to guess with sakurai, corrin instead of getting wolf back? no one and i mean no one would guess a chaarcter from an unreleased game would be in instead of wolf returning. sakurai is wacky.
I think you miss read what i meant, im not trying to say rhythm heaven needs to be dropped for a WTF character just that I usually dont have it and went on to say instead i pick something very left field for that "spot", didnt mean to make it a competition between a WTF and rhythm heaven getting a rep, could be both could be neither thats just what my personal rosters look like. not saying rhythm heaven wont get a character or anything i was legitimately just saying what changes in my own roster choices from that one, and just to be clear why: i think rhythmn heaven had its shot last time and missed getting in smash 4, i of course could be wrong here we'll see.
just to give metroid another rep isnt the ENTIRE purpose of why i sometimes pick sylux over ridley when making rosters but supposedly he has a big part to play in metroid prime 4, thats my main reasoning for assuming he might get in. but i will argue that yes when metroid, a series with a big upcoming switch title, at this point only has the main character twice as the only rep and has been on the roster since 64 i do think needing more characters there is a legitimate reason to add someone from the series if a character can be added.
DarkShadow20
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Nice, it's pretty similar to mine. Don't see how it would be lackluster though since it has some long requested fan favorites, two returning vets that were cut, and the newer characters that are expected to make it in. I'd say this is a pretty likely representation of what the roster will end up looking like. Curious to see what you think we will actually get.So I wasted my time doing something that might be interesting. By going through the roster thread I created a roster based on the characters most predicted/requested.
Just some notes
- I didn't bother counting up veterans as most rosters did not have cuts, it seems the consensus is there will be none.
- Captain Toad and Toad were counted together. Overall definitely saw more Captain Toad though.
- Chorus Men just represents a Rhythm Heaven character. Counted separately none of the Rhythm Heaven characters were predicted/requested enough but together they were. I figured it was fair since no one is quite sure how the series would be represented, but on average people expect a Rhythm Heaven character.
Overall this roster is kind of....lack luster??? However it does have some of my most wanted including my number one so I wouldn't complain. Just doesn't look like what we will actually get lol.
So what do you guys think?
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Rosalina and Toon Link are not wacky choices.
Galaxy was an immensely crucial Mario title and Rosalina was at the forefront of it and still played a role in it's sequel. She also immediately started appearing in further Mario games. She became huge like no other new supporting character in a mainline Mario game had ever done before.
Toon Link is from Wind Waker, which is one of the most popular Zelda titles and got direct sequels in Spirit Tracks and Phantom Hour Glass.
I'll give you Wii Fit Trainer being wacky a bit, but in retrospect? Based off sales for Nintendo alone and being a new successful IP? Wii Fit was a very obvious choice for SOMETHING in Smash. If not all necessarily obvious for being given a playable rep.
Galaxy was an immensely crucial Mario title and Rosalina was at the forefront of it and still played a role in it's sequel. She also immediately started appearing in further Mario games. She became huge like no other new supporting character in a mainline Mario game had ever done before.
Toon Link is from Wind Waker, which is one of the most popular Zelda titles and got direct sequels in Spirit Tracks and Phantom Hour Glass.
I'll give you Wii Fit Trainer being wacky a bit, but in retrospect? Based off sales for Nintendo alone and being a new successful IP? Wii Fit was a very obvious choice for SOMETHING in Smash. If not all necessarily obvious for being given a playable rep.
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Well there is nothing wrong with being unpredictable but I don't think some of his choises were THAT unlikely. Wii Fit was a important franchise and Rosalina is... well, popular (her trailer in Sakurai's Miiverse has the second most notes in any pic of the day). And Toon Link was obvious from Wind Waker's success and Young Link.
A brand new character (whose game IS out, in Japan) in favor of of semi-clone veteran is not that weird of a choise, considering they already bring two back. Don't get me wrong, I like Wolf and would want to see him but DLC could brought back a limited number of characters.
Sorry about other points, I misunderstood you and now partially agree with you.
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No new Zelda rep would be disappointingSo I wasted my time doing something that might be interesting. By going through the roster thread I created a roster based on the characters most predicted/requested.
Just some notes
- I didn't bother counting up veterans as most rosters did not have cuts, it seems the consensus is there will be none.
- Captain Toad and Toad were counted together. Overall definitely saw more Captain Toad though.
- Chorus Men just represents a Rhythm Heaven character. Counted separately none of the Rhythm Heaven characters were predicted/requested enough but together they were. I figured it was fair since no one is quite sure how the series would be represented, but on average people expect a Rhythm Heaven character.
Overall this roster is kind of....lack luster??? However it does have some of my most wanted including my number one so I wouldn't complain. Just doesn't look like what we will actually get lol.
So what do you guys think?
I think of all the choices Impa is the most predicted one and hopefully most likely
BlondeLombax
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This was a good read. I particularly enjoy the idea of using the Sheriff as the legacy character of the game.
Kind of curious why Snake isn't grouped up with Simon and Bomberman, because Konami. (Or is that the exact reason why you exempted him?)
I want to revise my roster I think
Here were my last two
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I don't want the roster too big (well I do, but I don't think it will be) so I'm trying to keep it under 70. Things I want to change
Solidify Decidueye as new Pokemon
Maybe Rhythm Girl in favour of Karate Joe, less certain on this one?
I'm less convinced on Rayman now
Bring Back Cloud, I think maybe add Lara Croft on top as a curveball third party.
Maybe Bomberman (with Snake as DLC)
Less convinced on Spring Man, but if we get him, I'm really thinking Ribbon Girl clone
Ridley. . .. Ugh I dunno. I'm so conflicted with him
Maybe add a new hardware rep, I lean towards Parabo and Satebo but it's really hard to predict. Diskun feels possible though and is probably far more likely due to the fact he is still remembered every now and again. Yeah actually he makes more sense.
Captain Toad I'll probably keep back in. Although I do consider his jump problem a potential issue. Remember Sakurai has thus far refused to resize Ridley.
Crash Bandicoot even without the Trilogy I think is a possible candidate.
Wolf I'm keeping off, I'm thinking if he comes back, it will be as DLC.
Shut Up I'm keeping Skull Kid
OK I think I'll start my list
So I guess if I'd update my roster
Starting at 52 characters. Cutting Miis and clone trio
From most essential to least
53: Inkling
54: Bandana Dee
55: Rex and Pyra
56: Stylist
57: Excitebiker
58: Diskun
59: Chorus Kids >_> (I really can't make my mind up here)
60: Crash
61: Another Third Party,
62: Dixie Kong
63: Decidueye
64: Skull Kid
65: Isabelle (potential clone?) she could also be unique. Hard to say, if she is a clone though, I think she'll be the sort to stick around
66: Ice Climbers (should be higher but I forgot)
67: Spring Man
68: Ribbon Girl (definitely clone)
69: I'm probably going to regret this, but Ridley
70: another Clone I think. Leaning towards Impa, Daisy or Octoling. I'll go Daisy because a: Don't want another Zelda clone
b: Octoling as a playable character feels too new and felt too unimportant as just enemies
Reduce to 69: Corrin backlash was extreme. In addition to the amount of Fire Emblem characters, I'm going to cut him.
Will keep Cloud.
So I'll make 61: Lara Croft
That's 15 unique newcomers (well 14 + Ice Climbers)
3 clones
7 cuts
That doesn't sound so bad
As for DLC. I think we'll see more of than in Wii U. I think Lucina is very likely due to her popularity, like all clones like her who get brought back, she'll have a more differences.
Wolf is natural I think.
I think for third party. I'm thinking Bomberman and Snake back. Maybe Spyro or Rayman but am not sure.
I think we'll get a Gen 8 Pokemon too
Also maybe even less popular veterans, Like Dark Pit and Pichu.
Can't decide on Dr. Mario.
Could also get some Bayonetta 3 and Metroid Prime 4 tie in.
And maybe Corrin as DLC again?
I think if not the base game, we could finally see fan favourite King K Rool too.
Here were my last two
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I don't want the roster too big (well I do, but I don't think it will be) so I'm trying to keep it under 70. Things I want to change
Solidify Decidueye as new Pokemon
Maybe Rhythm Girl in favour of Karate Joe, less certain on this one?
I'm less convinced on Rayman now
Bring Back Cloud, I think maybe add Lara Croft on top as a curveball third party.
Maybe Bomberman (with Snake as DLC)
Less convinced on Spring Man, but if we get him, I'm really thinking Ribbon Girl clone
Ridley. . .. Ugh I dunno. I'm so conflicted with him
Maybe add a new hardware rep, I lean towards Parabo and Satebo but it's really hard to predict. Diskun feels possible though and is probably far more likely due to the fact he is still remembered every now and again. Yeah actually he makes more sense.
Captain Toad I'll probably keep back in. Although I do consider his jump problem a potential issue. Remember Sakurai has thus far refused to resize Ridley.
Crash Bandicoot even without the Trilogy I think is a possible candidate.
Wolf I'm keeping off, I'm thinking if he comes back, it will be as DLC.
Shut Up I'm keeping Skull Kid
OK I think I'll start my list
So I guess if I'd update my roster
Starting at 52 characters. Cutting Miis and clone trio
From most essential to least
53: Inkling
54: Bandana Dee
55: Rex and Pyra
56: Stylist
57: Excitebiker
58: Diskun
59: Chorus Kids >_> (I really can't make my mind up here)
60: Crash
61: Another Third Party,
62: Dixie Kong
63: Decidueye
64: Skull Kid
65: Isabelle (potential clone?) she could also be unique. Hard to say, if she is a clone though, I think she'll be the sort to stick around
66: Ice Climbers (should be higher but I forgot)
67: Spring Man
68: Ribbon Girl (definitely clone)
69: I'm probably going to regret this, but Ridley
70: another Clone I think. Leaning towards Impa, Daisy or Octoling. I'll go Daisy because a: Don't want another Zelda clone
b: Octoling as a playable character feels too new and felt too unimportant as just enemies
Reduce to 69: Corrin backlash was extreme. In addition to the amount of Fire Emblem characters, I'm going to cut him.
Will keep Cloud.
So I'll make 61: Lara Croft
That's 15 unique newcomers (well 14 + Ice Climbers)
3 clones
7 cuts
That doesn't sound so bad
That would make for a layout of 5x14
Row 1:
1. Mario
2. Luigi
3. Peach
4. Bowser
5. Yoshi
6. Rosalina
7. Bowser Jr.
8. Captain Toad }{ Captain Toadette
9. Wario
10. Donkey Kong
11. Diddy Kong
12. Dixie Kong
13. Inklings
14. Spring Man
Row 2:
1: Link {Champion / Green Tunic}
2: Zelda {Outside / Dress}
3: Ganondorf (new design)
4: Sheik }{ Impa
5: Toon Link
6: Skull Kid
7: Samus
8: Zero Suit Samus
9: Ridley
10: Pit
11: Palutena
12: Ness
13: Lucas
14: Villager
Row 3;
1. Kirby
2. King Dedede
3. Meta Knight
4. Bandana Dee
5. Pikachu
6. Lucario
7. Charizard
8. Greninja
9. Decidueye
10. Jigglypuff
11. Mewtwo
12. Fox
13. Falco
14. Chorus Kids
Row 4:
1. Marth
2. Ike
3. Robin
4. Roy
5. Shulk
6. Rex + Pyra
7. Captain Falcon
8. Savvy Stylist
9. Wii Fit Trainer
10: Little Mac
11: Excite Biker
12: Ribbon Girl
13: Isabelle
14: Daisy (only really kept the clone corner in order to easily convey they are clones)
Row 5
1. Mr. Game & Watch
2. R.O.B.
3. Duck Hunt Duo
4. Diskun
5. Ice Climbers
6. Pac-Man
7. Sonic
8. Bayonetta
9. Mega Man
10. Ryu
11. Cloud
12. Lara (croft)
13. Crash (Bandicoot)
14. Random
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Row 1:
1. Mario
2. Luigi
3. Peach
4. Bowser
5. Yoshi
6. Rosalina
7. Bowser Jr.
8. Captain Toad }{ Captain Toadette
9. Wario
10. Donkey Kong
11. Diddy Kong
12. Dixie Kong
13. Inklings
14. Spring Man
Row 2:
1: Link {Champion / Green Tunic}
2: Zelda {Outside / Dress}
3: Ganondorf (new design)
4: Sheik }{ Impa
5: Toon Link
6: Skull Kid
7: Samus
8: Zero Suit Samus
9: Ridley
10: Pit
11: Palutena
12: Ness
13: Lucas
14: Villager
Row 3;
1. Kirby
2. King Dedede
3. Meta Knight
4. Bandana Dee
5. Pikachu
6. Lucario
7. Charizard
8. Greninja
9. Decidueye
10. Jigglypuff
11. Mewtwo
12. Fox
13. Falco
14. Chorus Kids
Row 4:
1. Marth
2. Ike
3. Robin
4. Roy
5. Shulk
6. Rex + Pyra
7. Captain Falcon
8. Savvy Stylist
9. Wii Fit Trainer
10: Little Mac
11: Excite Biker
12: Ribbon Girl
13: Isabelle
14: Daisy (only really kept the clone corner in order to easily convey they are clones)
Row 5
1. Mr. Game & Watch
2. R.O.B.
3. Duck Hunt Duo
4. Diskun
5. Ice Climbers
6. Pac-Man
7. Sonic
8. Bayonetta
9. Mega Man
10. Ryu
11. Cloud
12. Lara (croft)
13. Crash (Bandicoot)
14. Random
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As for DLC. I think we'll see more of than in Wii U. I think Lucina is very likely due to her popularity, like all clones like her who get brought back, she'll have a more differences.
Wolf is natural I think.
I think for third party. I'm thinking Bomberman and Snake back. Maybe Spyro or Rayman but am not sure.
I think we'll get a Gen 8 Pokemon too
Also maybe even less popular veterans, Like Dark Pit and Pichu.
Can't decide on Dr. Mario.
Could also get some Bayonetta 3 and Metroid Prime 4 tie in.
And maybe Corrin as DLC again?
I think if not the base game, we could finally see fan favourite King K Rool too.
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Cut Characters: Greninja, Cloud, Ryu, Doctor Mario, Lucina, Dark Pit, Lucas, Roy
Greninja: I see Greninja being replaced for a 7th/8th party representative. Which isn’t to say I want him gone, it’s just I think its chances of returning are questionable given the circumstances.
Cloud and Ryu: While I love these two additions, I see them being on a similar circumstance as Snake as one-time 3rd party characters.
Lucina, Dark Pit, and Doctor Mario: Removed to be added as skins.
Lucas and Roy: Removed for more character additions.
DLC characters: Wolf, Ice Climbers, Hero of the Month, Bandana Dee, Chrono, Shovel Knight, Crash
Greninja: I see Greninja being replaced for a 7th/8th party representative. Which isn’t to say I want him gone, it’s just I think its chances of returning are questionable given the circumstances.
Cloud and Ryu: While I love these two additions, I see them being on a similar circumstance as Snake as one-time 3rd party characters.
Lucina, Dark Pit, and Doctor Mario: Removed to be added as skins.
Lucas and Roy: Removed for more character additions.
DLC characters: Wolf, Ice Climbers, Hero of the Month, Bandana Dee, Chrono, Shovel Knight, Crash
Ok, with that out of the way, let’s look at the newcomers I have listed:
Captain Toad: Captain Toad is certainly a character that has been making the daily rounds due in part because ports are confirmed for both Switch and 3DS. There are arguments that Captain Toad cannot jump so therefore he shouldn’t be included but I consider that a non-issue. There can be also ways around that using a sort of weight/stuffed backpack mechanism which ways him down. As for Peach’s neutral, let’s let Toadsworth take the pain. Toadette is a skin.
Impa: Despite Impa appearing in almost every Zelda game, she doesn’t really get much representation but I guess that would be due to her usually being casted as an elderly woman. Skyward Sword, Ocarina of Time, and Hyrule Warriors though were different; especially the later. Sakurai and his team doesn’t have to make Impa in the way that Hyrule Warriors did but they could possibly incorporate an Ike/Shiek-type hybrid.
Ridley: Ridley is never too big. Scale him down slightly and make his the first Giant character. Ridley would be larger than Bowser but lighter than Ike with confusing disjointed hitboxes and varied hurtboxes. In addition, despite being a giantweight, he is a aerial master with some of the best aerial performance within the cast.
Dixie Kong: Why hasn’t she been included yet? It’s a crime really. Saying she would be a Diddy clone is a serious injustice against her. Apart from her hair-based attacks, she could utilize her saxophone, changing her body size, and using her hair for gliding making her an aerial fighter like the aforementioned Ridley.
King K. Rool: I invision Smahs Switch incorporating characters in under represented franchises that deserve their spot. DK and Metroid certainly deserve those spots after all this time and I think King K. Rool rounds it out nicely. A heavy weight with a projectile emphasis would be quite interesting. Plus, he could have a number of interesting skins referencing his penchant for cosplaying!
Hero of the Month: First DLC character on the roster. Who knows when we will get Fire Emblem Switch but if it comes out before Smash Switch, HotM could be a potential addition.
Bandana Dee: My second DLC addition. Bandana Dee could use the spear for spacing and zoning with wide sweeping attacks that keeps opponents on guard. His small frame also makes him a harder target to hit.
Decidueye: It is my top pick should Smash Switch come out before Gen 8 does or before it enters into the conceptual phase. That being said, I don’t mind trading Decidueye if there is a more interesting 8th Gen Pokemon. Decidueye would use mixture of its arrows and area-wide attacks that effects the stage. Plus, it’s final Smash would tether all enemies and render them unable to attack.
Elma: Elma comes from a highly acclaimed Xenoblade title and easily the most recognizable face n the game. Plus, she is a dual sword/gun wielder making her an instantly unique character in the game. Perhaps she has two sets of special moves: one for her swords and one for her guns making her a first in the game.
Rex and Pyra: I don’t know much about Xenoblade Chronicles 2 but Rex and Pyra could be an interesting duo who uses attacks together in a rather seamless way.
Takamaru: A front runner for the Retro characters, Takamaru would obviously be different from his AT version much like how Little Mac was. Using various samurai/ninja techniques is hit forte. He could combine both blinding attack speed with graceful movements.
Isabelle: An unconventional fighter who has unintentional moves that deal damage; much to her surprise. Her dash is her tripping and rolling along the ground. Her Up Smash is pulling one of the celebratory poppers. And one of her Specials is constructing a Public Works.
Inkling: An area zoner specialist whose ink negatively affects her opponents movement, speed, and traction. The Inkling excels in controlling and manipulating the stage. Plus, a number of gadgets and weapons gives him/her the edge in other characters that can exploit her/his small size and light weight.
Spring Man: Spring Man is similar to Little Mac in that he utilizes punches but he is different in that his punches have a much longer…much much longer reach allowing him to deal pain from a safe distance. In addition, to combat those who can get in close, he could have a few close up options as well.
Rayman: Rayman is highly expected from what I can gather. He comes from a franchise highly connected to Nintendo and has a moveset pool that is adaptable to Smash. Plus, Rayman content was included as trophies in Smash 4.
Crash: Not a character I want personally but his recent announcement on the Switch plus the Cloud factor leads me to thinking that Crash would be an interesting addition. Plus, it would piss off Sony fans like Mega Man and Cloud’s inclusion did. Plus, nothing would hype people up more than Crash in Smash.
Banjo-Kazooie: Much in the same vein, Banjo-Kazooie would he total hype and would be a welcomed addition back into the Nintendo fold. While he is owned by MS, they seemed alright with Banjo being in Smash 4 in a series of tweets back in the day. Many people grew up playing BK and their inclusion would really hype up the game.
Chrono: Yet another oddball pick if Cloud does not return and to represent Square-Enix. While Chrono trigger isn’t given much love from SE, it would be silly to say that Chorno Trigger didn’t have an impact on the SNES and deserve a spot in Nintendo history. It is still seen as a highly acclaimed and industry changing game with memorable characters, story, and music. Plus, Chrono would be the sword mage character that Robin really isn’t. Using his sword attacks to execute powerful lightning spells. Plus, he can call upon his allies for combination attacks.
Shovel Knight: The hero that Smash deserves. Shovel Knight would be the representative on the indie games which is something considering how many iconic characters are in Smash. Shovel Knight would be a heavy hitting character with great health and defensive capabilities but a small frame and heavy weight making him a bit hard. Thinking of trying to hit a cannonball that is jumping around. Or maybe Pikachu in a suit of armor.
Impa: Despite Impa appearing in almost every Zelda game, she doesn’t really get much representation but I guess that would be due to her usually being casted as an elderly woman. Skyward Sword, Ocarina of Time, and Hyrule Warriors though were different; especially the later. Sakurai and his team doesn’t have to make Impa in the way that Hyrule Warriors did but they could possibly incorporate an Ike/Shiek-type hybrid.
Ridley: Ridley is never too big. Scale him down slightly and make his the first Giant character. Ridley would be larger than Bowser but lighter than Ike with confusing disjointed hitboxes and varied hurtboxes. In addition, despite being a giantweight, he is a aerial master with some of the best aerial performance within the cast.
Dixie Kong: Why hasn’t she been included yet? It’s a crime really. Saying she would be a Diddy clone is a serious injustice against her. Apart from her hair-based attacks, she could utilize her saxophone, changing her body size, and using her hair for gliding making her an aerial fighter like the aforementioned Ridley.
King K. Rool: I invision Smahs Switch incorporating characters in under represented franchises that deserve their spot. DK and Metroid certainly deserve those spots after all this time and I think King K. Rool rounds it out nicely. A heavy weight with a projectile emphasis would be quite interesting. Plus, he could have a number of interesting skins referencing his penchant for cosplaying!
Hero of the Month: First DLC character on the roster. Who knows when we will get Fire Emblem Switch but if it comes out before Smash Switch, HotM could be a potential addition.
Bandana Dee: My second DLC addition. Bandana Dee could use the spear for spacing and zoning with wide sweeping attacks that keeps opponents on guard. His small frame also makes him a harder target to hit.
Decidueye: It is my top pick should Smash Switch come out before Gen 8 does or before it enters into the conceptual phase. That being said, I don’t mind trading Decidueye if there is a more interesting 8th Gen Pokemon. Decidueye would use mixture of its arrows and area-wide attacks that effects the stage. Plus, it’s final Smash would tether all enemies and render them unable to attack.
Elma: Elma comes from a highly acclaimed Xenoblade title and easily the most recognizable face n the game. Plus, she is a dual sword/gun wielder making her an instantly unique character in the game. Perhaps she has two sets of special moves: one for her swords and one for her guns making her a first in the game.
Rex and Pyra: I don’t know much about Xenoblade Chronicles 2 but Rex and Pyra could be an interesting duo who uses attacks together in a rather seamless way.
Takamaru: A front runner for the Retro characters, Takamaru would obviously be different from his AT version much like how Little Mac was. Using various samurai/ninja techniques is hit forte. He could combine both blinding attack speed with graceful movements.
Isabelle: An unconventional fighter who has unintentional moves that deal damage; much to her surprise. Her dash is her tripping and rolling along the ground. Her Up Smash is pulling one of the celebratory poppers. And one of her Specials is constructing a Public Works.
Inkling: An area zoner specialist whose ink negatively affects her opponents movement, speed, and traction. The Inkling excels in controlling and manipulating the stage. Plus, a number of gadgets and weapons gives him/her the edge in other characters that can exploit her/his small size and light weight.
Spring Man: Spring Man is similar to Little Mac in that he utilizes punches but he is different in that his punches have a much longer…much much longer reach allowing him to deal pain from a safe distance. In addition, to combat those who can get in close, he could have a few close up options as well.
Rayman: Rayman is highly expected from what I can gather. He comes from a franchise highly connected to Nintendo and has a moveset pool that is adaptable to Smash. Plus, Rayman content was included as trophies in Smash 4.
Crash: Not a character I want personally but his recent announcement on the Switch plus the Cloud factor leads me to thinking that Crash would be an interesting addition. Plus, it would piss off Sony fans like Mega Man and Cloud’s inclusion did. Plus, nothing would hype people up more than Crash in Smash.
Banjo-Kazooie: Much in the same vein, Banjo-Kazooie would he total hype and would be a welcomed addition back into the Nintendo fold. While he is owned by MS, they seemed alright with Banjo being in Smash 4 in a series of tweets back in the day. Many people grew up playing BK and their inclusion would really hype up the game.
Chrono: Yet another oddball pick if Cloud does not return and to represent Square-Enix. While Chrono trigger isn’t given much love from SE, it would be silly to say that Chorno Trigger didn’t have an impact on the SNES and deserve a spot in Nintendo history. It is still seen as a highly acclaimed and industry changing game with memorable characters, story, and music. Plus, Chrono would be the sword mage character that Robin really isn’t. Using his sword attacks to execute powerful lightning spells. Plus, he can call upon his allies for combination attacks.
Shovel Knight: The hero that Smash deserves. Shovel Knight would be the representative on the indie games which is something considering how many iconic characters are in Smash. Shovel Knight would be a heavy hitting character with great health and defensive capabilities but a small frame and heavy weight making him a bit hard. Thinking of trying to hit a cannonball that is jumping around. Or maybe Pikachu in a suit of armor.
List of Newcomers and Veterans
1)Mario
2)Luigi
3)Peach
4)Rosalina & Luma
5)Bowser
6)Bowser Jr.
7)Yoshi
8)Wario
9)Link
10)Zelda
11)Shiek
12)Ganondorf
13)Toon Link
14)Samus
15)Zero Suit Samus
16)Donkey Kong
17)Diddy Kong
18)Fox
19)Falco
20)Wolf
21)Pit
22)Palutena
23)Marth
24)Ike
25)Robin
26)Corrin
27)Kirby
28)Metaknight
29)King Dedede
30)Pikachu
31)Charizard
32)Lucario
33)Mewtwo
34)Jigglypuff
35)Shulk
36)Ness
37)Captain Falcon
38)Mr. Game & Watch
39)R.O.B.
40)Duck Hunt Dog
41)Ice Climbers
42)Little Mac
43)Olimar & Pikmin
44)Villager
45)Wii Fit Trainer
46)Sonic
47)Megaman
48)Pac-Man
49)Mii Fighters
50)Bayonetta
1)Captain Toad
2)Impa
3)Ridley
4)Dixie Kong
5)King K. Rool
6)Hero of the Month
7)Bandana Dee
8)Decidueye
9)Elma
10)Rex & Pyra
11)Takamaru
12)Isabelle
13)Inkling
14)Spring Man
15)Rayman
16)Crash
17)Banjo-Kazooie
18)Chrono
19)Shovel Knight
1)Mario
2)Luigi
3)Peach
4)Rosalina & Luma
5)Bowser
6)Bowser Jr.
7)Yoshi
8)Wario
9)Link
10)Zelda
11)Shiek
12)Ganondorf
13)Toon Link
14)Samus
15)Zero Suit Samus
16)Donkey Kong
17)Diddy Kong
18)Fox
19)Falco
20)Wolf
21)Pit
22)Palutena
23)Marth
24)Ike
25)Robin
26)Corrin
27)Kirby
28)Metaknight
29)King Dedede
30)Pikachu
31)Charizard
32)Lucario
33)Mewtwo
34)Jigglypuff
35)Shulk
36)Ness
37)Captain Falcon
38)Mr. Game & Watch
39)R.O.B.
40)Duck Hunt Dog
41)Ice Climbers
42)Little Mac
43)Olimar & Pikmin
44)Villager
45)Wii Fit Trainer
46)Sonic
47)Megaman
48)Pac-Man
49)Mii Fighters
50)Bayonetta
1)Captain Toad
2)Impa
3)Ridley
4)Dixie Kong
5)King K. Rool
6)Hero of the Month
7)Bandana Dee
8)Decidueye
9)Elma
10)Rex & Pyra
11)Takamaru
12)Isabelle
13)Inkling
14)Spring Man
15)Rayman
16)Crash
17)Banjo-Kazooie
18)Chrono
19)Shovel Knight
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How do you make a roster like that? It looks really nice compared to the standard roster maker roster.
I wish there was mobile friendly software for roster making.
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Photoshop. I don’t like how the fonts are all different sizes so I might fix that soonish. I’m also slowly making rosters for recolors of each character. 8 Smash 4 color swaps plus 8 more of my own so 16 total.
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i could see it, xb2 started development in 2014, if they pulled a gamefreak they could have given sakurai the lowdown on rex/pyra well before the release of the game.
Fudge cakes, I forgot Olimar, I guess I'll settle for 70. Although it feels too big. Maybe I should do away with Ridley and Cloud and opt for Bomberman over Lara Croft >_>
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Nice roster but I disagree with you on a few things about cut characters:
Lucina, Dark Pit and Dr. Mario won't be skins, ever. Last game made that pretty clear. They'll probably return, maybe not all of them, but if they could've okay as costumes, last game would do that.
Ryu and Cloud's owner companies have pretty good relationships with Nintendo, there's no obvious indicator of why they'll be one-time deals.
Greninja won't be replaced by another Pokemon. It'be same as replacing Charizard with a new one. Same reason with Lucas and Roy. Cutting characters won't open room for newcomers and I think a lot of fans wouldn't be pleased with "for more character additions" explanation.
Ice Climbers, Wolf, Bandana Dee: Would they even work as DLC? It seems weird to not include them in the game just so that they can be sold separetely.
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I do want a Zelda rep, but since this is based off of what people were predicting / requesting in the roster threads, there was no solid agreement on a new Zelda rep. Impa was definitely the most predicted/requested but many also simply put no new Zelda rep.
I personally think there will be one.
If we get Skull Kid as the new Zelda reps, I might die of excitement. He also feels like a now or never situation as he and his game have become a lot more relevant and remembered within Nintendo .
Should I point out the Skull Kid costume in Monster Hunter Stories?
Should I point out the Skull Kid costume in Monster Hunter Stories?
Nekoo
Smash Master
If a costume meant anything then MegaMan would get recognition from Capcom and get tons of games instead of "just" Megaman 11 and Legacy collection since they keep shoving MegaMan costumes and cameo in their games for yeaaaars
Too bad it's not the case right?
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Skull Kid and Midna are casually sailing by Sakurai's massive Smash yacht in the S.S. DoWeStillHaveAChance boat.
Don't get me wrong, I like 'em both, but their popularity and relevancy peaked long ago, and the only things both have going for them at the moment are remakes of their respective games and a spin-off. Neither remakes or spin-offs have influenced Sakurai to add characters in the past, so if either wants to get in, they'll probably have to rely on their own merits from their game of origin. Needless to say, that's already hard enough with all the competition thay have.
Maybe some people interpreted their roles as Assist Trophies as a good thing, but I saw it as more of a nail in the coffin; a compensation of sorts since neither were made playable characters. They ain't getting any newer, so if Sakuri couldn't add them back then, what are the odds of Sakurai randomly going back to add a one-time character who's 18 and 12 years old respectively? Honestly, not very high, and the BotW theme gives Sakurai another reason to be hesitant of adding older characters with no connection to the game.
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