Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Garteam]

Doing a very quick read-over of WikiRaider article on Tomb Raider in Japan: each game in the series did well enough to justify localization and release, but didn't set sales charts on fire like Tomb Raider did in the west.

To give you an idea of the series standing in Japan, Tomb Raider 2013 debuted at #4 on the Japanese sales charts in its release week.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Well if a second Square enix rep were to be considered, square pushing for Lara would make sense, Tomb Raider is probably their biggest franchise after Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest after all

If there were any second Square character to be considered, it would be Sora and Geno since their demand is very high. The former choice feels like something Square Enix and Nomura (Who has close ties with Sakurai now) would love to add. I do not see anything else helping Lara's chances if developer connections are not present or if the requests are not high.

 

[zauberdragon]

I can see getting two newcomers, maybe a third party bringing it to three, and a casual ‘ice climbers are back’ mention. With getting the smash tournament again, I feel we need more than just the squid kids in terms of newcomers to get the hype flowing.
It’s a balance between building hype and not showing all the cards at once. If we’re genuinely getting the game within the next six months we either need a big first swing, promise of the return of the dojo, or just an admission we’re not getting many newcomers!

 

[Arcadenik]

Captain Toad, Crash Bandicoot, Spyro the Dragon, and the Ice Climbers for Smash Switch! That would be so awesome! I hope this leak is real!

 

[Opossum]

Captain Toad, Crash Bandicoot, Spyro the Dragon, and the Ice Climbers for Smash Switch! That would be so awesome! I hope this leak is real!

It's confirmed to be fake.

 

[Cosmic77]

Captain Toad, Crash Bandicoot, Spyro the Dragon, and the Ice Climbers for Smash Switch! That would be so awesome! I hope this leak is real!

I don't really have a childhood connection with Crash or Spyro, so neither of those guys would really excite me.

Honestly, I'd be more excited to see several Nintendo newcomers get revealed alongside a confirmation that the existing third-parties are all returning. If we do get more third-parties, I'm hoping they'll restrain it to no more than two.

 

[MasterOfKnees]

It's confirmed to be fake.

The GameFAQs guy who admitted to being a faker wasn't the source of it though, he was always just ripping off the 4chan leak, which is still living... for now at least.

 

[Garteam]

If there were any second Square character to be considered, it would be Sora and Geno since their demand is very high. The former choice feels like something Square Enix and Nomura (Who has close ties with Sakurai now) would love to add. I do not see anything else helping Lara's chances if developer connections are not present or if the requests are not high.

The biggest hurdle that is unique to Sora, at least from my perspective, is negotiating with Disney. I have no idea exactly how the ownership of Kingdom Hearts is divided between Square Enix and Disney, but even if Sora gets into Smash there's no way he'll bring any Disney stuff with him. Disney is a behemoth of a corporation that is known for being more protective of its IPs than even Nintendo, no lawyer/businessman in their right mind would take them on solely so a fighting game that was already guaranteed to sell millions can have some Disney references.

This wouldn't really hurt Sora's moveset potential, but it would hurt the overall representation of Kingdom Hearts in Smash. Much of Kingdom Hearts' identity is based around being the Disney-Final Fantasy crossover. Having Kingdom Hearts stuff while actively avoiding the Disney aspect of the franchise would feel awkward at best and soulless (no pun intended) at worst.

 

[Opossum]

The biggest hurdle that is unique to Sora, at least from my perspective, is negotiating with Disney. I have no idea exactly how the ownership of Kingdom Hearts is divided between Square Enix and Disney, but even if Sora gets into Smash there's no way he'll bring any Disney stuff with him. Disney is a behemoth of a corporation that is known for being more protective of its IPs than even Nintendo, no lawyer/businessman in their right mind would take them on solely so a fighting game that was already guaranteed to sell millions can have some Disney references.

This wouldn't really hurt Sora's moveset potential, but it would hurt the overall representation of Kingdom Hearts in Smash. Much of Kingdom Hearts' identity is based around being the Disney-Final Fantasy crossover. Having Kingdom Hearts stuff while actively avoiding the Disney aspect of the franchise would feel awkward at best and soulless (no pun intended) at worst.

Sora as a character is completely owned by Disney, but I think Square Enix has partial ownership over the character design, or something like that. Basically everything Sora is in has Disney listed as the copyright.

 

[Ura]

As far as SE-owned characters go, I would say the tier ranking is something like this...

1. Geno
2. Dragon Quest Character
3. 2nd FF Character
4. Lara Croft
5. Sora

 

[BluePikmin11]

The biggest hurdle that is unique to Sora, at least from my perspective, is negotiating with Disney. I have no idea exactly how the ownership of Kingdom Hearts is divided between Square Enix and Disney,

This is based on what RogersBase said when he worked at Disney:
-Square Enix owns the designs of Sora and Riku, and Disney owns the rights to the characters of the KH cast.
-But Disney has to approve of any new designs that Sora, Riku, and other KH characters that Tetsuya and other Square members make.

but even if Sora gets into Smash there's no way he'll bring any Disney stuff with him. Disney is a behemoth of a corporation that is known for being more protective of its IPs than even Nintendo, no lawyer/businessman in their right mind would take them on solely so a fighting game that was already guaranteed to sell millions can have some Disney references.

This wouldn't really hurt Sora's moveset potential, but it would hurt the overall representation of Kingdom Hearts in Smash. Much of Kingdom Hearts' identity is based around being the Disney-Final Fantasy crossover. Having Kingdom Hearts stuff while actively avoiding the Disney aspect of the franchise would feel awkward at best and soulless (no pun intended) at worst.

Even if Disney was strict with allowing Disney characters present but not Sora, there is enough interesting original content in the KH series for Sakurai to get a substantial amount of solid representation of the franchise. As far as Disney powers go, Summons are probably the closest thing, but they act more like side-things rather than being integral to Sora's gameplay like Flow-motion or Keyblade powers. Sora characterization wise, personality wise, and gameplay wise provides enough tools like magic, keyblade moves, and drive forms to be a stand-out character in Smash. Disney content is not integral to implementing Sora correctly.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

The biggest downfall of the Wii U was it's amateurish marketing and failure to appeal the nature of their product to the audience. There were a lot of people who thought the Wii U was an extension of the Wii console. No console release should be so confusing that consumers literally mistake your product for something else entirely. By the time such things were corrected it was already too late to salvage the damage done. That's why the Switch was able to succeed. They shown the concept and people could immediately grasp it. They knew what exactly it was, what it could do, and why they would want it.

It is rather sad when you're one of the few people who were NOT confused between the two systems. I knew that the Wii U was a completely different console, but I guess the minority means **** when you're trying to attract over billions of consumers.

But what can feel sad is that some Wii U titles are better than the ports, but with the Wii U distribution over, you'll have to hope that you can find a used one somewhere. The Wii U version of Super Mario Maker is pretty much better than the 3DS version, since it has amiibo support, and you can upload your courses online; those are features that the 3DS version lacks.

As for Mario Kart 8, if you're a Battle Mode fan, then you'd probably want to get Mario Kart 8 Deluxe. But if you're more into racing, then Mario Kart 8 Deluxe might not be too appealing for those who own a Wii U, as it literally copies all the tracks that Mario Kart 8 has (base tracks, and DLC tracks).

 

[Ura]

On the topic of SE and Smash, it's really unfortunate to see all of Black Mage's popularity go down the toilet after happened.

People talked him up to be the best FF representative and now he's never mentioned anymore lol.

 

[Garteam]

This is based on what RogersBase said when he worked at Disney:
-Square Enix owns the designs of Sora and Riku, and Disney owns the rights to the characters of the KH cast.
-But Disney has to approve of any new designs that Sora, Riku, and other KH characters that Tetsuya and other Square members make.


Even if Disney was strict with allowing Disney characters present but not Sora, there is enough interesting original content in the KH series for Sakurai to get a substantial amount of solid representation of the franchise. As far as Disney powers go, Summons are probably the closest thing, but they act more like side-things rather than being integral to Sora's gameplay like Flow-motion or Keyblade powers. Sora characterization wise, personality wise, and gameplay wise provides enough tools like magic, keyblade moves, and drive forms to be a stand-out character in Smash. Disney content is not integral to implementing Sora correctly.

Sora could accurately be put into Smash without much reference from Disney, but other Kingdom Hearts elements such as trophies, trailers, and flavour text would need to avoid any references to Disney and be worse off for it. Kingdom Hearts could be represented while avoiding elements such as King Mickey, Sora's partnership with Donald and Goofy, and the plethora of Disney worlds that Sora visits, but their absence would be felt. We know that Sakurai is extremely invested in making sure things feel accurate to their origins in Smash, and he's even dismissed possible ideas if he can't get them as he'd like them (most notably with Ridley's exclusion in Smash 4)

Additionally, Sora's Smash design would have to be approved by Disney. Sakurai could simply take the model from Kingdom Hearts 3 to avoid this issue, however Smash has only used external models for playable characters twice (Ganondorf's Melee model coming from a tech demo and Jigglypuff's 3DS model being from X/Y) and those had more to do with time limitations than being a primary choice for the character.

On the topic of SE and Smash, it's really unfortunate to see all of Black Mage's popularity go down the toilet after happened.

People talked him up to be the best FF representative and now he's never mentioned anymore lol.

I think this has less to do with people suddenly turning against the character and more to do with the constantly changing set of accepted rules that Smash speculation has.

When the belief that Smash characters needed to be directly related to Nintendo was in play, Black Mage benefitted from a lack of competition. Now that we know that isn't true, Cloud makes more sense for Final Fantasy as its biggest cheese.

 

[CroonerMike]

*says something dumb and misinformed *

"Actually you are wrong, here's why...."

"hA I TriGGeReD YoU!1!!!"

See you're mad about it. You legit just proved my point bud

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

If there were any second Square character to be considered, it would be Sora and Geno since their demand is very high. The former choice feels like something Square Enix and Nomura (Who has close ties with Sakurai now) would love to add. I do not see anything else helping Lara's chances if developer connections are not present or if the requests are not high.

I mean, there’s more at play than “they’re highly requested”.

If Nintendo is going to negotiate for a character, which would they rather have? A video gaming (not just Nintendo) icon or a niche character from one game? They’re spending money, time, and resources into getting the rights to a character for Smash.

If anything, it’s Sora or Lara Croft. Geno loses out big time there. While he has popularity, he’s nothing compared to the gaming titans that are already in Smash.

To continue, say Sakurai goes to Square Enix to obtain another character. Knowing the possibility for advertisement and news to generate for themselves, does Square advocate for two games that have quite a bit of hype surrounding them (Shadow of the Tomb Raider, Kingdom Hearts 3) or a one-shot character from a SNES Mario game they developed? The choice is obvious, and it’s either one of the first mentioned.

You also make it seem as if whoever Sakurai has interest in, he gets. This implies that Disney would be entirely willing in any capacity to allow Sora to be used. There’s entirely the possibility that they aren’t.

Also, you only mention popularity with 3rd parties. Ryu wasn’t really requested for Smash compared to several others, yet he’s in the game. Don’t put all your eggs in one basket.

EDIT: Now that I think about it, there’s also the Sakurai quote where he says he doesn’t want to add 3rd parties “willy nilly”. So far, the quality is high. Now he suddenly adds Geno? A one off character who happens to be popular?

I like Geno as much as the next guy, and I think he’d be really fun. Hell i’d be excited to see him in Smash. But let’s not act like he’s incredibly likely or something.

 

[PSIguy89]

I swear I really feel like I’m in the minority here, hoping they calm the hell down on 3rd party choices. Like I LOVE both Crash and Spyro but I just don’t like the idea of them in smash. Also I’d bet money on a DQ character over Sora if SE wanted more than just Cloud

 

[CroonerMike]

I swear I really feel like I’m in the minority here, hoping they calm the hell down on 3rd party choices. Like I LOVE both Crash and Spyro but I just don’t like the idea of them in smash. Also I’d bet money on a DQ character over Sora if SE wanted more than just Cloud

I honestly agree with you. I really enjoy third party games, some of them are my favorite. Just don't want to have smash be filled with them.

 

[mario123007]

Here's a shoo-in character for Super Smash Bros. 7.

Nope this is the character for the next Fire Emblem game...

 

[Ura]

I think this has less to do with people suddenly turning against the character and more to do with the constantly changing set of accepted rules that Smash speculation has.

When the belief that Smash characters needed to be directly related to Nintendo was in play, Black Mage benefitted from a lack of competition. Now that we know that isn't true, Cloud makes more sense for Final Fantasy as its biggest cheese.

Well there was the fan-misconception yes but from what I saw BM seemed to have some popularity going for him on the merit of what his character had. BM himself at least is a staple of the FF series so there's that for him.

Now it's pretty much gone. At least there's SSF2 for him lol.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

It just feels really bogus to me to say ''I just want to keep the Nintendo feel." but not want third parties in Smash Brothers because it'd ruin the ''Nintendo feel"

Nintendo isn't and never has been just first party. First party is important to a company's success, but everyone needs help from their friends every now and then.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Sora could accurately be put into Smash without much reference from Disney, but other Kingdom Hearts elements such as trophies, trailers, and flavour text would need to avoid any references to Disney and be worse off for it. Kingdom Hearts could be represented while avoiding elements such as King Mickey, Sora's partnership with Donald and Goofy, and the plethora of Disney worlds that Sora visits, but their absence would be felt. We know that Sakurai is extremely invested in making sure things feel accurate to their origins in Smash, and he's even dismissed possible ideas if he can't get them as he'd like them (most notably with Ridley's exclusion in Smash 4)

The way I feel, Sakurai would care more about implementing the character first in rather than caring about other content. If such misc. content were very important to getting the best representation for the franchise, we would have not got Cloud despite the limited music selection. Sakurai would have more than enough original KH material coming from Sora to play around in development for his gameplay, content enough that excluding Disney would not be much of a sacrifice.

Additionally, Sora's Smash design would have to be approved by Disney. Sakurai could simply take the model from Kingdom Hearts 3 to avoid this issue, however Smash has only used external models for playable characters twice (Ganondorf's Melee model coming from a tech demo and Jigglypuff's 3DS model being from X/Y) and those had more to do with time limitations than being a primary choice for the character.

I am not sure about a new Smash design, but if it did happen, I think Disney would be ok with the idea and it would not be a difficult matter to modify the design if modifications to the Keyblade's Mickey Mouse keychain had to be made.

I mean, there’s more at play than “they’re highly requested”.

If Nintendo is going to negotiate for a character, which would they rather have? A video gaming (not just Nintendo) icon or a niche character from one game? They’re spending money, time, and resources into getting the rights to a character for Smash.

If anything, it’s Sora or Lara Croft. Geno loses out big time there. While he has popularity, he’s nothing compared to the gaming titans that are already in Smash.

To continue, say Sakurai goes to Square Enix to obtain another character. Knowing the possibility for advertisement and news to generate for themselves, does Square advocate for two games that have quite a bit of hype surrounding them (Shadow of the Tomb Raider, Kingdom Hearts 3) or a one-shot character from a SNES Mario game they developed. The choice is obvious, and it’s either one of the first mentioned.

I will not argue there, but note that I said because Geno's popularity would get him as far as being considered again. I do not think Geno will get as far as being implemented as a character.

You also make it seem as if whoever Sakurai has interest in, he gets. This implies that Disney would be entirely willing in any capacity to allow Sora to be used. There’s entirely the possibility that they aren’t.

The possibility is there. But I personally doubt they would deny such a profitable offer, especially when Nintendo and Disney are on good terms in relationship. There is a real shot, but no where did I imply it was likely.

Also, you only mention popularity with 3rd parties. Ryu wasn’t really requested for Smash compared to several others, yet he’s in the game. Don’t put all your eggs in one basket.

Yeah, there is that too, though I think Sakurai being close with Capcom when Mega Man was added in Smash 4 had some benefit to including Ryu.
Though in the case of Square Enix, I feel Sakurai would go for a ballot choice to find his next Square newcomer choice. Mega Man's fan-demand was the reason he was primarily included in Smash 4, so it is not illogical to think that the ballot would have a large influence on the next third-party choices. Because of that being a major factor, it is honestly hard to imagine a situation where Sakurai dismisses Sora's potentially high ballot ranking in favor of the likely less-requested Lara Croft.

 

[papagenos]

Its tough to say it but regarding over representation of third party characters, i dont think theres any going back at this point.

our DLC for Smash 4 had 3 out of 7 as third party characters. I think the time for the "cut off" was at sonic/megaman/pacman and now I just feel like most if not all smash 4 characters will return and we will get more third parties to generate hype, companies WANT their characters in smash and sakurai seems more open to it now, the smash ballot im sure also had lots of third party characters being requested... its simply going to happen.

and as much as we here at smashboards have our wanted nintendo characters who we have been hyping up for multiple iterations of smash, the truth is when youre at this point and you have characters like isaac or k rool going up against crash and spyro, its just far more profitable and "hype" for MOST people out there if we get crash, regardless of the seemingly huge internet hype for getting the "smash fans" most wanted characters.

I'm not saying there wont be nintendo characters or that we are scrapping the bottom of the barrel, i think there are some very deserving nintendo characters still left and i expect we will see some, but we have ryu and cloud in smash. thats the reality of where we are. to keep smash exciting for your average person new third party juggernauts like that need to keep coming and again we are past the point where the third party flood gate can get shut.

 

[Wyoming]

I swear I really feel like I’m in the minority here, hoping they calm the hell down on 3rd party choices. Like I LOVE both Crash and Spyro but I just don’t like the idea of them in smash. Also I’d bet money on a DQ character over Sora if SE wanted more than just Cloud

Have a feeling we might only get one new third party on the base roster. With so little time to reveal content, it makes sense to me that the third party we got at E3 is the only one we get. Or maybe we won't even get a new third party character. Or maybe they plan to reveal the entire roster at E3 with DLC at a future date.

Basically: I just spent 10 seconds explaining how we know nothing

 

[Bebe Mignon]

Nope this is the character for the next Fire Emblem game...

Er... Are you joking? 'Cause if you are, it went over my head.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

To continue, say Sakurai goes to Square Enix to obtain another character. Knowing the possibility for advertisement and news to generate for themselves, does Square advocate for two games that have quite a bit of hype surrounding them (Shadow of the Tomb Raider, Kingdom Hearts 3) or a one-shot character from a SNES Mario game they developed? The choice is obvious, and it’s either one of the first mentioned.

This is precisely why I thought that Geno never had a chance to begin with. No, Sakurai wanting Geno doesn't matter when it's not up to him but Square Enix, who hasn't even used him in a notable role for over 20 years, not even in the two Mario sports games they collaborated with Nintendo for. Why would they be okay with the idea of Geno being in Smash? If anything the implication based off Sakurai's quote here

Geno:

—What led you to decide to make a Geno costume after all this time?

Sakurai: To tell the truth, it’s because I wanted Geno to be a playable character. He has a gun for a hand, and I think he fits in really well with Smash. During Brawl, I thought it would be great if I could add him, but in the end it didn’t become a reality.

—Because of that, you added him as a Mii Costume this time?

Sakurai: That’s right. He’s very popular. When talking about older characters, Geno always gets a lot of requests. He didn’t appear as a fighter, but I was able to achieve something kind of close to that as a Mii Costume.

is that Geno isn't playable because Square Enix rejected the idea.

 

[Cosmic77]

It just feels really bogus to me to say ''I just want to keep the Nintendo feel." but not want third parties in Smash Brothers because it'd ruin the ''Nintendo feel"

Nintendo isn't and never has been just first party. First party is important to a company's success, but everyone needs help from their friends every now and then.

If I ever say I want fewer third-party characters, it's not because I think they'll take away from some type of bright and magical Nintendo-y feeling I get when I play Smash. It's because I grew up playing mostly Nintendo games, and I don't really give a darn about half of the popular third-party characters people want in Smash.

If the third-party you like gets in Smash, more power to ya. I'm just gonna be honest and tell ya guys that I probably won't care about them.

 

[MoonlitIllusion]

If I ever say I want fewer third-party characters, it's not because I think they'll take away from some type of bright and magical Nintendo-y feeling I get when I play Smash. It's because I grew up playing mostly Nintendo games, and I don't really give a darn about half of the popular third-party characters people want in Smash.

If the third-party you like gets in Smash, more power to ya. I'm just gonna be honest and tell ya guys that I probably won't care about them.

I would also rather the third party characters be choices that are iconic to gaming history and recognizable to the general public and gaming fans alike, I don't like the idea of throwing these random indies and much smaller 3rd parties in when our other guest characters are sonic the hedgehog, pac-man, cloud strife, etc. The only 3rd parties I really support are Rayman, Lara and Crash.

 

[ColietheGoalie]

It just feels really bogus to me to say ''I just want to keep the Nintendo feel." but not want third parties in Smash Brothers because it'd ruin the ''Nintendo feel"

Nintendo isn't and never has been just first party. First party is important to a company's success, but everyone needs help from their friends every now and then.

Why bogus? The game started as a celebration of Nintendo, and people who played/grew up on Nintendo games are drawn to that. Now some people want to fill it up with more and more random characters from other sources and it could lose some of what made it special.

For example, Lara Croft is famous, but has nothing to do with Nintendo (ports/remakes aside). No one thinks of Nintendo when they think of her, no one has fond memories of playing her games on a Nintendo system. So famous or not, her inclusion would reduce the "Nintendo feel" as you put it. A few guest characters aren't a big deal, but fully embracing the Third-Party market is a bad move in my books.

Granted, I'd be cool with Third-Parties that actually mean something to Nintendo. Guy's like Phoenix Wright or Professor Layton are TP's that are still pretty much synonymous with Nintendo.

Also, why not pull a Playstation All-Stars and have some of these other franchises/consoles/companies make their own fighting games? Why is it Nintendo's job to start representing everyone else's stuff?

 

[monadoboy]

It just feels really bogus to me to say ''I just want to keep the Nintendo feel." but not want third parties in Smash Brothers because it'd ruin the ''Nintendo feel"

Nintendo isn't and never has been just first party. First party is important to a company's success, but everyone needs help from their friends every now and then.

Key phrase: every now and then. Smash 4 is 10% third party. There's a lot of Nintendo franchises without representation and others underrepresented, like ZELDA. There's been five third party characters before a Zelda character.

When everyone takes a third party reveal for granted, that's when it feels like they've gone overboard.

 

[Polan]

since we're discussing third parties, i have always liked maximilian dood's take on guest/3rd party characters (he's mostly talking about traditional fighters but a lot of it still applies to smash)

 

[blackghost]

Honestly, despite the icon status Lara has a major obstacle in that she uses realistic weaponry, it wouldn't be classic Lara without her pistols

wait isnt this argument dead with snake and bayo?
also other characters use "realistic" weapons what does that even mean?

the "reducing the nintendo feel" is a valid argument however it is mistimed at this point. smash 4 was around 9 or 10 percent third party characters. until that number gets closer to 30 percent your argument is too early. Complaining about these characters inclusion comes across to me as dragging your feet in regards to change.

 

[Roberk]

wait isnt this argument dead with snake and bayo?
also other characters use "realistic" weapons what does that even mean?

I think he means guns, the rating boards are pretty strict when it comes to guns themselves. That's why Snake used explosives. Bayonetta gets away with it since her guns are "fantasy" I guess. The same thing with the ray gun item, the design has to be made in a way to where it doesn't look like an actual pistol.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

Third parties have NOT one thing to do with any Nintendo character not getting in.

It doesn't work like that home skillets.

''We got Crash Bandicoot over K. Rool! How dare he take K. Rool's spot." is just a silly thing to say.

Sakurai isn't picking a third party to neglect a Nintendo character.

So again...

''They put in Cloud, Bayonetta, Ryu, Mega Man, and Pac Man over a Zelda rep? So gross."

Zelda isn't getting reps, because well, we've been over this 97 times. There's no clear cut person to add after Link, Zelda, and Ganondorf.

 

[Dragoncharystary]

Everyone's talking about third party performances in the ballot and how much they mean so that begs the question, how did Crash and Spyro perform in the ballot? Personally, I don't think either drew huge numbers at all.

 

[blackghost]

I think he means guns, the rating boards are pretty strict when it comes to guns themselves. That's why Snake used explosives. Bayonetta gets away with it since her guns are "fantasy" I guess. The same thing with the ray gun item, the design has to be made in a way to where it doesn't look like an actual pistol.

as long as the game isnt m, which wont happen, t vs e10 doesnt mean much. laura does shoot bullets but so does bayo. bayo is shooting large calibur rounds. Seems a little strange that snake can toss an actual grenade and use an actual rocket launcher and that be somehow different less violent than pistols.

also can we stop pointlessly speculating on ballot performance??? No one knows how anyone did in the ballot. There's no point to discuss that. Spyro and crash weren't a huge part o fmy gaming heritage but thats because my first system was a gamecube. i grew up on sonic 3d games and whatever else was on gamecube.
I always thought crash was just a weird character. I'd still rather have rabbid peach or other rabbid ripoff as a funny weird character (yes that includes waluigi).
my only concern with smash moving forward if we get a fire emblem lord and get laura is how many humanoid characters we would have. I'd like to maintain the variety which is why i like midna and wolf link, rabbid peach, dixie (or funky) anda new pokemon. I feel like aesthetically sakurai values visual variety becuase, while it is merely surface level, it allows you to catch more eyes. This is part of the reason people love games like marvel and its my biggest issue with DBFZ.

 

[Captain Shwampy]

On the topic of SE and Smash, it's really unfortunate to see all of Black Mage's popularity go down the toilet after happened.

People talked him up to be the best FF representative and now he's never mentioned anymore lol.

Black Mages and Vivi are still one best designs/characters in the series tbh

 

[Roberk]

as long as the game isnt m, which wont happen, t vs e10 doesnt mean much. laura does shoot bullets but so does bayo. bayo is shooting large calibur rounds. Seems a little strange that snake can toss an actual grenade and use an actual rocket launcher and that be somehow different less violent than pistols.

While the likes of Melee and Brawl were T since E10+ didn't exist and 4 was E10+, Smash has always met the A rating from CERO in Japan. I think that's what Sakurai is mainly strictly abiding by.

 

[Onua]

What do you guys think about the possibility of a Tekken or Soul Calibur rep?

 

[Deleted member]

So, what is cool is that top players are going to verse in Smash Bros. Switch.
Honestly, expect a lot of hype and expect more. Like this is E3. You never know, Nintendo could introduce us to new game modes and so on.
I am so excited for E3!!!!

I think that Decidueye, Spring Man and a retro character are all likely to be shown in E3 in my opinion. Decidueye and Spring Man are almost guaranteed and a retro character always brings the hype usually.

Also I think the theme is not going to be dark as Brawl, but not party-like as Smash 4. I think the game could potentially be a T rating. I mean the fire and the dark introduction makes it look so dark and menacing, kind of like Brawl.

Hey, I got a thing!

How many Newcomers do you think will be shown at E3?

I’m thinking 5 is a good number, especially if the game is releasing this year. 3 in the presentation. 2 in the Treehouse.

What do you guys think?

I think five as well. These are all good points.