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[VA]

It's not melee. It's brawl.

Saying that I'm interested to play it, though I doubt I will like it.

 

[Professor Pro]

would save alot of time if the top went automatically through

also prof brawl will never be melee though

lol

Of course it's not going to be melee...it's not the same game, but you said 'Why are people making it when they can just play melee' like you don't understand the point in them making it lol.

New characters, New stages, New tactics so it's going to be slightly refreshing for melee players.....melee will still be better and more poopular obviously, but just because it's not going to be exactly like melee doesn't mean it shouldn't be made lol.

 

[Brado]

Project M is awesome, Ed's version has all the characters yeeee

Really want doubles to happen or it seems pointless coming

 

[VA]

lol ok then how does doubles first with a new system of top 8 get guarenteed bracket sound?

I hope people aren't offended by this and it definitely gives more of an incentive to get that top 8 placing.

I guess we'd want 16 to progress through pools to make a 24 man bracket too?

Or 8 depending on the turnout.

 

[Retroking2000]

didnt they do something like that in SVB last year ?

i kinda see why players would get offended but it would save alot of time

but to be honest its a really good idea

 

[Jolteon]

dude he has almost guarantte'd combo's inbrawl, what is the world gonna do with him in melee? i mean i know that jcaeser changed the SDI scaling on the u-air to x3 (a.k.a its easy as hell to sdi) but everything is still going to combo like a *****

Yeah this make sense.
Also I haven't lost a set to ANYONE in the UK for two years except Fuzzy and VA
The last person I lost to was Chrisboi at GGT1 which was like 2 years and a half ago.
I think the top 4 people should go straight through.

Also in Project M fox has his beautiful NTSC U-Smash.....just likes he deserves to

ALSOOOO im editing the videos now, and then while at my dance class im gonna leave all the videos on a queue.

He deserves it.

Sheik gets her beautiful d-throw as well.

Project M is awesome, Ed's version has all the characters yeeee

Really want doubles to happen or it seems pointless coming

I'm pretty sure doubles is still on.

 

[WaagOne]

Sounds good to me gives us a bit of incentive to aim for the top 8, but I think the top 4 should be permanent where as 5-8 go into some sort of mini league where they earn points on a monthly basis for their spots.

For example 5th gets 4 points, 6th gets 3 etc. The league could be based on the big man system or the something like that.

Unfortunately it doesn't take into account missing a tourney for legitimate reasons.

 

[Brado]

Yayuhz me and yen top 2 at least

Hopefully 3 of LC comIng yeeeeee

 

[Bullet Bill]

I really don't like the idea of people automatically getting through in their pool. Everybody should earn their place in the bracket no matter who they are and it's very unfair to players that place well but has to play loads more matches. It's pretty arrogant to be honest

 

[Professor Pro]

lol Only you Bullet Bill would feel offended by the fact that the top people get into bracket.....it's not arrogant, they are guaranteed to get into brackets....and this is just a test run of a certain system.

 

[L-J]

As long as seedings from the same rankings used to determine the top 8 is used in the pools (which would mean people like me who are just outside the top 8 getting no. 1 seed in their pool) then this system should work fine. And yeah, doubles plz, or I ain't going.

 

[VA]

Yeah I think beyond top 4 is sort of contetious as to who goes through automatically.

Maybe we just put top 4 through this time and start to work it out from here.

I wish people would stop bringing up personal agendas as if this is some kind of ego play. The intent of altering the current system is to make it better. Try to keep any personal problems you have under wraps and be objective. We want a better tournament experience for everyone.

General consensus is that everyone (for some reason) wants to have doubles.

That playing 2 brackets is perhaps too time consuming and not worth doing.

That putting the top X amount of players through is a good idea.

Work with this is terms of overhaul for our monthlies to make them into a more competitive, efficient and enjoyable experience.

 

[L-J]

My point about using seedings for pools as well as top 4/8 would apply even if i was unranked - it's clearly silly and unfair to use a system to rank a top 4/8 and then abandon it when it comes to those who do have to go through pools. Yes it happens to apply to me in this case, but ego was nothing to do with my point - one must be consistent in these things.

I would probably favour top 4 over top 8 getting through automatically this time, because as you say it's contentious beyond top 4 atm. Having said that top 8 have placed top 8 fairly consistently over the last 2/3 events so I wouldn't mind that either.

 

[Degree]

Top 4 will probably find more agreement than top 8. I like the idea honestly. You generally learn by playing people better than you, yes, but it's got to be accessible. I'm not going to get a great deal from a couple of 2 minute 4-stock matches against the top players, and neither are they. Reducing the number of pool matches reduces potential time wasting finding your opponent, it also gives more time for friendlies which is what the vast majority of us spend our time doing once we're out of the actual tournement.

Open minds and optimism are the way forward. If it doesn't work, then hey it doesn't work, we tried and we hopefully learned from it. Hindsight is 20/20 and we can all sit here and say how we would have done things differently. Complaining on here changes nothing, constructive criticism and effort do.

 

[VA]

I wasn't actually referring to your post in anyway, I should have quoted Ben's because I think what he said has lost sight of the point.

And yeah I think this is what it comes down to, how many players should would put straight through, and how is it decided.

Consequently, how are the remaining players seeded.

 

[Bullet Bill]

lol Only you Bullet Bill would feel offended by the fact that the top people get into bracket.....it's not arrogant, they are guaranteed to get into brackets....and this is just a test run of a certain system.

I'm not offended I just think that if there are pools then everybody should be a part of them

 

[VA]

What exactly do you not understand about it being a waste of time in certain player match ups?

If there were likely to be a different kind of outcome I could understand what you were saying. But there are solid empirical facts to back up what we are suggesting here. I can't fathom your argument at all because it goes against pure fact.

 

[Professor Pro]

I think it would help if we made a list of the top 8 instead of just saying the top 8....

As then we could be in more agreement with the idea and who's done what in the most recent event and such.

 

[VA]

well top 4 are obvious

so below that I'd go with

smakis
j3ly
frostbyte
tamoo

outside that I'm not sure

 

[Retroking2000]

i take you guys are doing the top 8 for brawl as well ?

also according to fuzzy logic i got beaten by tamoo so im not top 4 anyways lol

 

[Jolteon]

I really don't like the idea of people automatically getting through in their pool. Everybody should earn their place in the bracket no matter who they are and it's very unfair to players that place well but has to play loads more matches. It's pretty arrogant to be honest

Ben, this has nothing to do with egos, the fact it when you are consistently placing 1st/2nd in pools for years that it really does end up being a waste of time to complete your matches only to 2-0 every single person in your pool.

Until the rest of the UK learns to man the **** up and cause upsets I don't see this changing for a long time.

@VA: I thought about top 4 as well, it does make more sense to me, but I dunno top 8 is a convenient number.

/e LJ I see your point as well, since GT2 (sny excluded) I've placed 2nd most of the time in my pool now and 1st a few times, but I don't think I'm good enough to be part of the top 8 line-up. Still, I'd like to see my effort rewarded with a seeding if I got 1st in a cut-down pool.

 

[VA]

what's fuzzy logic?

http://ssbmrankingsuk.co.cc/rankings.php

the top 8 are sort of reflected here. If frost makes it, he would be top 8 IMO, but if not then deathgazer is the next best.

I haven't played a lot of these people in a while though, so I dunno.

 

[Retroking2000]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpvRBw1zIrw

for your veiwing pleasure

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Fuzzy logic if one of the top 4 gets beaten by anyone if a set the said person is no longer top 4 **

so i respectfully ask me to be put in pools

 

[VA]

Swizzy is viewing this post, from India (or possibly the UK) and not replying to my facebook message.

Also Edwin shut up.

 

[Retroking2000]

im serious

 

[VA]

yeah, me too.

 

[smakis]

I don't mind either really, if you are good enough to be top 8 you should pass pools anyways so lets just go with top 4.

also va take a look at this, armada advancing the metagame once again, who needs stitchfaces?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kp3OoK4Gxok&feature=player_detailpage#t=618s

edit: though I can see the advantage for using top8, gives people a more reasonable goal (as in not having to beat the top 4 before actually gaining something back for their placement).

 

[VA]

moments later you'll notice he uses toad, a move he WITHOUT A DOUBT stole from me.

 

[Degree]

It's like he's programmed into the GameCube and can see what happens about 3 seconds before it occurs, he knows a bomb's coming next so he'll take that haha.

 

[smakis]

yea, but seriously, first of all, why on earth would he throw a stitchface away? second, wtf is the odds of him drawing a bomb immediately afterwards?

I have faced the truth, im quitting melee, im just not lucky enough! =D

Probably booking my tickets tomorrow, there better be doubles =P

 

[VA]

I like this guy, and that he plays link and melee ^^

Also, get ***** UK as me and prof will teaming at this.

 

[SwizzyUK]

Swizzy is viewing this post, from India (or possibly the UK) and not replying to my facebook message.

Been trying to ring you most of the day but your mobile number isn't working. I'm back!

I personally fall just outside the top 8, but in case I slip into it I thought I'd put my opinion across. I like doing pools. They warm me up. I agree top 4 should go through, because their early bracket is their warm up, but I wouldn't say the same for me. Very few bracket games are a walkover, so the pools warm up is helpful.

All we need to do to have more time is start the tournament on time. Every time it is late because people don't show up on time. If we started at 1, we'd save at least 2 hours and have no problems getting through everything. Also people like their breaks too much. Clear rules (and enforcements) on how long you get between matches would also save at least an hour.

 

[VA]

I think only the top 4 should go through this tournament, and from this monthly onwards we usethe top 8 from the previous monthly.

I'm in the library (failing to be) working on an essay. In about 20 minutes I'll be on my way home and should have signal.

 

[Degree]

I like this guy, and that he plays link and melee ^^

If you mean me, I've changed main, just haven't changed the picture and stuff yet. I'd say you're quite familiar with who I've chosen to swap to.

Don't think I can make this monthly. I've got the 2 weekends before it off for birthdays (mine this weekend and a friend's next), if there's a monthly in the Easter break I'll be there though.

 

[VA]

Aww who do you main now?

 

[Professor Pro]

I like this guy, and that he plays link and melee ^^

Also, get ***** UK as me and prof will teaming at this.

Is that much **** necessary in a monthly though.....like it's just a friendly tournament event and to combine that much **** into event as small as this might have negative effects on the community

Nah but seriously I look forward to trying out our team lol.

Edit - Oh yeah I forgot to tell Jolteon that I was teaming for you with this lol....I was meant to tell him but everytime I genuiely forgot, but im pretty sure he saw me on the boards saying I ws teaming with you awhile ago as I said it before I think....

Love you Jolteon baby, just want to try see what's the best formula for the UK.
Hopefully you find a good teams partner for this.

 

[Jolteon]

it's fine, you already mentioned to me that you wanted to team with him in the near future anyway.

 

[gm jack]

Aww who do you main now?

He mains Peach now, meaning Reading is home to what I believe is half the Peach mains in the UK.

 

[Professor Pro]

Alpha Dash now mains Peach....so you can re-calculate that

 

[Jolteon]

Actually now that I mention it, who wants to team with me for this monthly?