Official Smash for Switch 2 - Speculation & Discussion Thread

[Diddy Kong]

So, honest question.

Which of the current Fire Emblem roster would you consider Fire Emblem all stars?

All of them really, Corrin being a slight outlyer and a controversial character from a controversial game too.

Any of these characters have seriously strong star status in their own way

Marth: First Lord, face of the franchise, most appearing main character in the series. No explanation needed.
Roy: FE6 was a first time revival of the series, while never released in the West, Roy remained one of the more popular Lords in the series. His absense proved this.
Ike: Most popular main character in the series. Even if his games didn't quite sell. He's always up there in popularity, and his games mark the beginning of 3D Fire Emblem. Also appeared in two games as main character more or less. Will always be kept relevant, somehow.
Robin, Chrom and Lucina: Are from Awakening. The series' actual revival, and until Three Houses was the best selling Fire Emblem game. Heavily featured in crossovers too, up to the point Chrom and Lucina might as well share the face of the series spotlight with Marth almost.
Byleth: Three Houses sold the best, most popular Fire Emblem game, rather popular too, don't know if they'll stand the test of time however

 

[DarthEnderX]

Which Newcomers/Content do you wanna see in a potential Super Smash Bros Ultimate Switch 2 Edition!

Same ones I want to see in Smash 6.

Spoiler: S2E Launch Newcomers

Captain Toad/Toadette [Treasure Tracker]
King Hippo [Punch-Out]
Raiden [Metal Gear]
Zero [Mega Man X]
Alucard [Castlevania]
Mii Mage

Spoiler: Fighters Pass 3

Ryu Hayabusa [Ninja Gaiden]
Bill Rizer/Lance Bean [Contra]
Arthur [Ghosts ‘n Goblins]
Kunio/Riki [River City]
SV-001 Metal Slug [Metal Slug]
Jill Valentine [Resident Evil]

Spoiler: Fighters Pass 4

Morrigan [Darkstalkers]
Nightmare [Soulcalibur]
Kazuma Kiryu [Like a Dragon]
Nakoruru [Samurai Shodown]
Dante [Devil May Cry]
Estelle Bright [Legend of Heroes]

Spoiler: Echoes

10e. Ninten [Ness]
11e. Black Shadow [Captain Falcon]
16e. Impa [Sheik]
27e. Galacta Knight [Meta Knight]
31e. Liquid Snake [Snake]
32e. Black Knight [Ike]
35e. Charizard [Pokemon Trainer]
36e. Dixie Kong [Diddy Kong]
38e. Shadow [Sonic]
46e. Bass [Megaman]
61e. Zack [Cloud]
63e. Jeanne [Bayonetta]
64e. Octolings [Inklings]
82e. Roxas [Sora]

Spoiler: Bosses

Mother Brain [Metroid]
Andross [Star Fox]
Arceus [Pokemon]
Porky [Earthbound]
Medusa [Kid Icarus]
Liquid Snake piloting Metal Gear REX [Metal Gear]
Eggman piloting Death Egg Robot [Sonic the Hedgehog]
Dr. Wily piloting Wily Machine [Mega Man]
Safer∙Sephiroth [Final Fantasy]
Astaroth [Ghosts ‘n Goblins]

Spoiler: Content

-Kirby style Boss Rush mode.
-Bring back the Smash Run map as a Battle Royal. (64 players teleport in. Players run around killing creeps and collecting upgrades. Map shrinks over time. Last 4 surviving players have a Smash match.)
-Add a 3rd map to WoL, where Tabuu has absorbed the Spirits released by Galeem and Dharkon's defeat.

I'm assuming a Switch 2 Upgrade would only be $20 for people who already own a game's Switch 1 version.

But if the Switch 2 Upgrade still requires me to rebuy the DLC...yeah that will be a problem. I mean I want to avoid paying $80 here so I should object to paying for a $20 upgrade...and then spending $60 on rebuying the two passes and Piranha Plant.

You wouldn't have to RE-buy the Fighters Passes and Plant if you already bought them on Switch.

If the S2E can recognize you already own the original to only charge you $20, then it can recognize if you already own the DLC.

I'm pretty sure if you upgrade to the S2E of BotW, you don't have to re-buy Master Trials and Champions Ballad if you already bought them. You just don't get them for free if you didn't already own them before.

 

[Sucumbio]

At first FeH was the all stars game I thought so anyway so I'd have daid they're all allstars but for Smash, I think being in smash is also an all star nod to your series of origin so it makes sense to say they're all allstars.

 

[HyperSomari64]

At first FeH was the all stars game

Fire Emblem Heroes?
When that will collab with Xenoblade? :v

 

[Thegameandwatch]

When that will collab with Xenoblade? :v

Not sure if Heroes has done any collabs?

 

[HyperSomari64]

Not sure if Heroes has done any collabs?

Closest they did was Tokyo Mirage Sessions, and that's more of a pseudo-crossover between Megami Tensei and FE.

 

[Thegameandwatch]

Closest they did was Tokyo Mirage Sessions, and that's more of a pseudo-crossover between Megami Tensei and FE.

The weird thing about the game is the fact that the SMT characters are just easter eggs unlike the Fire Emblem characters. Also the game being different from both Fire Emblem and SMT.

 

[fogbadge]

Closest they did was Tokyo Mirage Sessions, and that's more of a pseudo-crossover between Megami Tensei and FE.

surely the closest was FEH appearing in Dragalia Lost?

 

[NotGenerico]

This is such a non issue if you already own the dlc content tho.

Yeah, this is not an issue for people like us who are big Smash fans and already bought the DLC. It just kinda sucks that if a Switch 2 Edition of Ultimate gets released, people who haven't bought Ultimate would have to pay 135 dollars if they'd like to play as all characters and get access to the Switch 2 Edition upgrade.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

This is such a non issue if you already own the dlc content tho.

True but if you don't:

• Super Smash Bros. Ultimate - Nintendo Switch 2 Edition: $70
• Super Smash Bros. Ultimate Fighters Pass: $25
• Super Smash Bros. Ultimate Fighters Pass Vol. 2: $38

Total: $133 (and if we're being pedantic, Nintendo Switch Online makes this more expensive)

To be fair, the price is the same for people who have already bought the DLC, we've just already paid most of it. But as far as optics goes it's pretty bad since enhanced editions of fighting games have basically never done this, and Street Fighter 6 just released with all of its currently released DLC bundled in.

 

[Super Flygon]

Official - Smash for Switch 2 - Speculation & Discussion Thread

I've also always pictured Skull Kid having a "turn you into a Deku Scrub" attack, and I don't think it would be particularly hard to balance. Just make it so the Deku Scrub can still run, jump and shield but nothing else (think Pyra when she doesn't have her sword), and make the effect obviously...

smashboards.com

Two months ago, I posted a roster prediction, and I've now made a few minor changes since then. I substituted the general Pokemon icon for Meowscarada. While I don't particularly care which Pokemon character gets in next, I do expect one in the base game and I feel Meowscarada is the most likely one. Coincidentally (or perhaps purposefully), all of the fully evolved starters in Smash were owned by Ash. Liko is the new star now and she has a Floragato (which could end up evolving into Meowscarada).

I swapped Kass with Master Kohga. I feel like there is more creativity to be done with him and he helps represent both BOTW and TOTK.

EDIT:

Forgot to post what my roster would actually look like now lol.

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With the news that Sakurai has been working on Kirby Air Riders as opposed to a new Smash (or at the very least maybe both at the same time, since there were listings for both a 3D & 2D game), I've altered my prediction for Smash on Switch 2. I think they will do a Switch 2 edition of SSBU that would arrive probably around September or October 2026.

The upgrade pack would cost $20 and would not include the DLC. Everyone would obviously be brought back. As far as new characters, no Assist Trophies, Poke Ball Pokemon, etc. would be promoted.

From the last roster, I removed Skull Kid, Isacc, Matthew, Shovel Knight & Takamaru. I promoted Master Kohga & Ring Fit Trainee to base game and Paper Mario to the bonus/Piranha Plant-like character (personal preference honestly, since I want Paper Mario in the game). Also re-arranged some of the DLC placements and put Astro Bot in place of Kratos. I don't personally like having all that dead space in the last row, but the roster maker does not allow for more than 15 columns. I do think it should be 16 columns with all DLC and just 15 with out DLC. Still works with 16 columns (meaning, no echoes are on different rows than their base character).

I think Pauline to Ring Fit Trainee as listed is a solid base game roster. I'm hopeful we will get some echo characters as well. Light on the third parties in the base game because I'm sure they'd prefer to be DLC. Tails as a Sonic echo is obviously a big exception. Would it be the end of the world if most of these characters didn't get in? Probably not, but this is what I'd like to see. DLC would start in the beginning of 2027 and run through the end of 2031.

I feel like a Switch 2 edition is the best way to go in order to preserve everything we got from SSBU. In addition to new characters, I can see new songs being added and maybe some new stages. Maybe Assist Trophies, Items, Poke Ball Pokemon, etc. too. Really hoping for better online. There should be a new stage for Ring Fit Trainee and maybe a DK Bananza stage. For other stages, most of the DLC newcomers will come with a stage and songs.

Ideally, I'd want the NS2 Edition to be $20, but I wouldn't be terribly surprised if they pulled a TOTK/MK World and priced it at $30 if it has much of what I'm hoping for.

 

[Hadokeyblade]

Closest they did was Tokyo Mirage Sessions, and that's more of a pseudo-crossover between Megami Tensei and FE.

I'll always love how they did the item shop in this game. It being a japanese convenience store where Anna is the cashier, said store having Jack frost as the mascot.

I think this is cool.

No it's not? Ike's games came out 5 years before Awakening, and it sold 5 times what any of Ike's games did.

People pirated it after the fact and everyone who did play it loves it.

 

[GoldenYuiitusin]

True but if you don't:

• Super Smash Bros. Ultimate - Nintendo Switch 2 Edition: $70
• Super Smash Bros. Ultimate Fighters Pass: $25
• Super Smash Bros. Ultimate Fighters Pass Vol. 2: $38

Total: $133 (and if we're being pedantic, Nintendo Switch Online makes this more expensive)

Did you forget or is the assumption it becomes part of the Switch 2 Edition?

 

[Noipoi]

Did you forget or is the assumption it becomes part of the Switch 2 Edition?

Piranha Plant is automatically unlocked if you have this

 

[Guynamednelson]

Piranha Plant is automatically unlocked if you have this

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That square pipe does not have a nice, curved form.

 

[Thegameandwatch]

Did you forget or is the assumption it becomes part of the Switch 2 Edition?

I think its because most people think of the Fighters Pass when DLC is being discussed while Plant was the equivalent of Mewtwo of being a pre-order bonus so some just forgot about it.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Did you forget or is the assumption it becomes part of the Switch 2 Edition?

Yeah since it was a free pre-order character I forgot about it. That brings the total up to $141, which gets pretty far into yikes territory.

 

[Thegameandwatch]

Yeah since it was a free pre-order character I forgot about it. That brings the total up to $141, which gets pretty far into yikes territory.

Worse if the Mii costumes are counted.

 

[GoldenYuiitusin]

Yeah since it was a free pre-order character I forgot about it. That brings the total up to $141, which gets pretty far into yikes territory.

And that's not including the Mii Costumes :V

 

[Noipoi]

Yeah since it was a free pre-order character I forgot about it. That brings the total up to $141, which gets pretty far into yikes territory.

All for a game that’s been out for 7 years.

 

[Þe 1 → Way]

So Ultimate Switch 2 Edition would probably cost ~140$ for everything if you haven't touched Ultimate, roughly 80$ if you have Base Ultimate but nothing else, and 20$ if you already bought everything in Ultimate?

Genuinely, if this is trying to be sold to people who already ate everything in Ultimate up, 20$ is kinda pitiful in modern context. If this is trying to be sold to people who haven't touched Ultimate, there's no way they'll buy a game with that high a price. If this is being sold to people who bought Ultimate then weren't interested in its DLC, I guess the upgrade may be worth it, but if they didn't buy the DLC then why care now?

This just seems like a bad idea tbh. It's like the axis of pricing is inverted, wherein the people most willing to pay are charged the least and the people who already weren't invested in Ultimate just have the barrier to entry raised.

 

[Kirbeh]

All for a game that’s been out for 7 years.

"Actually, we believe that the quality of this title ages like wine, so we'll be charging an additional $5 for every year that it's been out. DLC not included."

 

[Thegameandwatch]

All for a game that’s been out for 7 years.

While the next game will probably take longer. Kinda weird that there is a potential chance of Ultimate to Smash 6 having the same gap as Brawl to Ulimate.

I would rather there be a new game next.

 

[HyperSomari64]

surely the closest was FEH appearing in Dragalia Lost?

But that was inside Dragalia. I meant a crossover event inside FEH.
LOL Zelda would be another good choice for a collab

 

[Laniv]

So, honest question.

Which of the current Fire Emblem roster would you consider Fire Emblem all stars?

Marth, Ike, and the Awakening crew.

You said this was outside of the context of Smash, so I'm going to use an analogy that I like.

Marth is Pikachu
Ike is Charizard
Chrom, Lucina, and Robin (but especially Lucina) are collectively Lucario

To go further, Lyn is Mewtwo

 

[Ivander]

To go further, Lyn is Mewtwo

How? Or are you making a parallel to how Mewtwo was a popular request since not getting back in Brawl and 3DS/Wii U Launch, similar to how Lyn has been a popular request since Brawl speculation?

Because actual popularity-wise, Lyn is nowhere near Mewtwo-levels of popularity. She's definitely popular, no argument there, but nowhere near levels of "Even non-gamers recognize Mewtwo" levels.

 

[fogbadge]

But that was inside Dragalia. I meant a crossover event inside FEH.
LOL Zelda would be another good choice for a collab

well you'd end up with a character who's cooler than all of them

How? Or are you making a parallel to how Mewtwo was a popular request since not getting back in Brawl and 3DS/Wii U Launch, similar to how Lyn has been a popular request since Brawl speculation?

Because actual popularity-wise, Lyn is nowhere near Mewtwo-levels of popularity. She's definitely popular, no argument there, but nowhere near levels of "Even non-gamers recognize Mewtwo" levels.

he mean's Lyn's a psychic mutant cat

 

[Noipoi]

To go further, Lyn is Mewtwo

Team Rocket made her in a lab?

 

[Ivander]

well you'd end up with a character who's cooler than all of them

implying there is a cooler character than this

So uncivilised.

 

[cashregister9]

Since we are still talking about the Fire Emblem characters, I want to bring up the San-ei plushies again

I think these in addition to Smash and Engage really do show that these are the most popular characters

Lyn is the biggest one missing, but she was the first character to get a Scale figure since Fates launched.

There aren't many Fire Emblem scale figures in general, the list as of 2025 in release order is

Spoiler

-Tharja
-Cordelia
-Camilla
-Lyn
-Ike
-Marth
-F!Byleth
-Roy
-Lilina
-Veronica
-F!Corrin
-F!Alear
-Dimitri
-Edelgard
-Lucina

I know merchandise is a very conjectural thing, but it is definitely a testament to something,

 

[Thegameandwatch]

I know merchandise is a very conjectural thing, but it is definitely a testament to something,

Also not every franchise has some types of merchandise like how Samus apparently doesn’t a plush (she has official action figures) while Snake does.

Sometimes a character not getting much merchandise is intentional like with the lightners such as Kris in Deltarune.

 

[Laniv]

How? Or are you making a parallel to how Mewtwo was a popular request since not getting back in Brawl and 3DS/Wii U Launch, similar to how Lyn has been a popular request since Brawl speculation?

Because actual popularity-wise, Lyn is nowhere near Mewtwo-levels of popularity. She's definitely popular, no argument there, but nowhere near levels of "Even non-gamers recognize Mewtwo" levels.

The first one, yeah. I'd be surprised if non-gamers knew who Ike was.

he mean's Lyn's a psychic mutant cat

Team Rocket made her in a lab?

These too, also.

 

[GoldenYuiitusin]

implying there is a cooler character than this

So uncivilised.

I swear every time I see this dragon I half expect him to be depicted on a Yu-Gi-Oh card.

 

[HyperSomari64]

Surprised that Captain Falcon doesn't have any posable action figure.

We should push for a character in the selection screen to have it's action figure.

 

[Oracle Link]

With the news that Sakurai has been working on Kirby Air Riders as opposed to a new Smash (or at the very least maybe both at the same time, since there were listings for both a 3D & 2D game), I've altered my prediction for Smash on Switch 2. I think they will do a Switch 2 edition of SSBU that would arrive probably around September or October 2026.

The upgrade pack would cost $20 and would not include the DLC. Everyone would obviously be brought back. As far as new characters, no Assist Trophies, Poke Ball Pokemon, etc. would be promoted.

From the last roster, I removed Skull Kid, Isacc, Matthew, Shovel Knight & Takamaru. I promoted Master Kohga & Ring Fit Trainee to base game and Paper Mario to the bonus/Piranha Plant-like character (personal preference honestly, since I want Paper Mario in the game). Also re-arranged some of the DLC placements and put Astro Bot in place of Kratos. I don't personally like having all that dead space in the last row, but the roster maker does not allow for more than 15 columns. I do think it should be 16 columns with all DLC and just 15 with out DLC. Still works with 16 columns (meaning, no echoes are on different rows than their base character).

I think Pauline to Ring Fit Trainee as listed is a solid base game roster. I'm hopeful we will get some echo characters as well. Light on the third parties in the base game because I'm sure they'd prefer to be DLC. Tails as a Sonic echo is obviously a big exception. Would it be the end of the world if most of these characters didn't get in? Probably not, but this is what I'd like to see. DLC would start in the beginning of 2027 and run through the end of 2031.

I feel like a Switch 2 edition is the best way to go in order to preserve everything we got from SSBU. In addition to new characters, I can see new songs being added and maybe some new stages. Maybe Assist Trophies, Items, Poke Ball Pokemon, etc. too. Really hoping for better online. There should be a new stage for Ring Fit Trainee and maybe a DK Bananza stage. For other stages, most of the DLC newcomers will come with a stage and songs.

Ideally, I'd want the NS2 Edition to be $20, but I wouldn't be terribly surprised if they pulled a TOTK/MK World and priced it at $30 if it has much of what I'm hoping for.

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2 zelda newcomers?
Based!
Only issue is 3 sheikah seems a bit exxecisive so i would replace kohga with daruk or yunobo for some goron rep!

 

[fogbadge]

implying there is a cooler character than this

So uncivilised.

there are many characters cool than this.

 

[Thegameandwatch]

The first one, yeah. I'd be surprised if non-gamers knew who Ike was.

Although that’s probably the case with lot of the roster.

 

[HyperSomari64]

there are many characters cool than this.

Name five of 'em!

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

implying there is a cooler character than this

There is one though...

EDIT: Smashboards image uploader broke. Joke is ruined.

 

[fogbadge]

Name five of 'em!

Link, 12th doctor, wargreymon, gallantmon, Sam Vimes