Smash bros needs more girls? Why

[Guybrush20X6]

**** females acquire currency

In Bizzaro world maybe. you want something, you gotta pay for it.

Still, Her appearance make me hopeful. Krystal, Palutena, Dixie, heck maybe even Bayonetta.

 

[-DR3W-]

GUYBRUSH, with that name, you should be supporting the full supremacy of the male race.

You will be banished.

Cheerio

 

[TigerBizNiz]

Villager will probably have some kind of female alt. It'd make sense, and alternate costumes seems like a real possibility.

I see that happening with Villager with the whole alt. costumes. Maybe with Pokemon Trainer as well (though I would love to see a Team Rocket alt. costume too) , but definately with Villager. To be quite honest, a part of me felt that they were going to put the Mii character in instead of Villager. But I'm okay with that! I'm sure everyone who's unhappy with the inclusion of Villager and Wii Fit Trainer will get used to them the same way we got used to the inclusion of R.O.B. and Game and Watch in the previous Smash Bros games. I can't wait to see what other newcomers made the cut!

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

It's Smash Bros, not Smash Chicks. **** females acquire currency

Females can't acquire currency on Ferenginar

They also can't wear clothing

 

[PreacherDudeRox]

I wouldn't mind smashing chicks.

 

[Pyra]

Only if they're exclusively playable on a Cooking Mama stage that may or may not be in the 3DS version.

 

[DarkKry4]

the misogyny here is unbelieveable.

 

[3Bismyname]

Only if they're exclusively playable on a Cooking Mama stage that may or may not be in the 3DS version.

ill be honest. i used to be in full support of Cooking Mama as a character lol

 

[smashbro29]

Being a female doesn't exactly improve a certain character's odds of being playable. Regardless of this fact though, I'd actually appreciate it if Rosalina is one of the new female inclusions.

You mean Peach with a different haircut that barely does anything until the end of the game? Who has nothing to go on for gameplay? Good choice.

 

[jaytalks]

I posted something similarly in another thread, but having more females in the game increases the likelihood for individuals to buy the game, since they are more likely to have characters they identify with. That mean's that there isn't just a social imperative, but a business related imperative. Having more female would balance the game, both in terms of its gender imbalance, and it can even mean playstyle depending on the women you select.

In a particular order, here's a list of female who have been playable characters who could definitely add to the roster:
Lucina (Fire Emblem 13)
Lyn (Fire Emblem 7)
Anna (all Fire Emblems)
Dixie Kong (Donkey Kong Country)
Midna (with Wolf Link)(Zelda)
Fiora (Xenoblade)
Krystal (Star Fox)
Sharla (Xenoblade)
Sveta (Golden Sun: Dark Dawn)
Melia (Xenoblade)
Sami (Advance Wars)
Kachi (Sin and Punishment: Star Successor)

and non playable characters:
Medusa (Kid Icarus)
Palutena (Kid Icarus)
Mona (WarioWare)
Kat and Anna (WarioWare)

Not all of these are likely, but there are plenty of nintendo female characters that could add to the roster.

There are definite pressures within other media that foster more females in prominent roles. Games definitely will feel that trend soon, if not already. These pressures have emerged more strongly since Brawl. There's a reason why they announced Wii Fit Trainer along with Mega Man and the Villager.

 

[Erimir]

I don't think they should just add female characters for that reason only, but I see it as a simply a factor in their favor.

Dixie Kong for example, is already a worthy character in my book. But my support of her over some male characters is larger than it would be otherwise.

Likewise, I don't really want another male, sword-wielding Fire Emblem lord... so the people advocating Anna or other female FE characters, for example, have my support over Chrom.

But no, I wouldn't support Daisy just to add another female character. Certainly not unless they make Peach's move-set more Peach-specific and then make Daisy basically the "Mario Sports/Kart/etc." representative. Which people already kinda want Waluigi to be (and Waluigi has more and less irritating personality than Daisy), so...

And yes, Nintendo is kinda sexist. They should improve their female representation. Women are half the population, it's not really that crazy to suggest that they be more represented. I'm also kinda realizing how every single RPG protagonist has to use a sword. It kinda makes them seem less interesting to add to the game...

 

[3Bismyname]

And yes, Nintendo is kinda sexist. They should improve their female representation. Women are half the population, it's not really that crazy to suggest that they be more represented. I'm also kinda realizing how every single RPG protagonist has to use a sword. It kinda makes them seem less interesting to add to the game...

thats a video game problem. not specifically a Nintendo problem. but i agree that there should be more prominent females in games.

 

[Erimir]

Well yeah. I wasn't saying they were worse than the industry in general (although there are some publishers that are better).

 

[jaytalks]

I don't think they should just add female characters for that reason only, but I see it as a simply a factor in their favor.

I definitely don't think females should be added for that reason only. That's why I posted a strong list of capable female protagonists who could be added to the roster. More women would make smash better and even more popular.
To see how the rest of the industry fairs, a present you this image:

 

[Morbi]

I would personally love to see more female characters. There was only 3 and a half in Brawl unless you count Jigglypuff. Out of a roster of 35 that is a little out of there. At the same time I understand that they shouldn't add females just because they are females. So obviously add some highly requested characters like Krystal or Palutena. Krystal is commonly requested. Palutena was in Kid Icarus Uprising. To be honest those are the only two essential females I can think of. I mean even then... if Magnus takes another Icarus slot and they bring back Wolf... both would kind of be wasted slots. So I don't really know.

 

[Admiral Pit]

A variety of characters is often good really. Why should it be limited to just males? Some female characters not only make things more interesting, but also add to character variety. Here we already got 3 of Nintendo's main females: Samus, Peach, and Zelda, and started with Samus in the 64 version while Peach and Zelda (and Sheik...) were added in Melee, then ZSS for Samus in Brawl. I won't count the other supposedly females because Ice Climbers are specifically 2 characters, not Nana, and Jigglypuff can be male or female. And as we already know, there's many different potential female characters that can be added for the new Smash.

Tbh, same can be said for villains, as I know people want more villain characters too. The roster shouldn't be just males and heroes only and that'd be boring to me if it was. All in all, variety and uniqueness is good.

 

[Chauzu]

I'm expecting Nintendo to add some more females, or I'll be upset.

Just make it happen.

 

[3Bismyname]

the only females i see having a real shot right now are Palutena, Dixie and i tentatively think Krystal or a Fire Emblem female have a shot. let's say we get just two of those. in addition to Wii Fit Trainer we've already doubled our female characters. but lets be realistic here. this isnt like other games where they can just add any character. this is a game with all stars and if the character doesnt have legitimate reasons to be added, i personally dont want them. Like take Rosalina for example. Should she get in over Toad, Bowser Jr or even Paper Mario because shes female? Hell no. she's far less prominent than those character (bar PM) and far less deserving imo.

So i guess what i'm saying is that being relevant and prominamt is more important than your gender as far as this game is concerned.

 

[jaytalks]

the only females i see having a real shot right now are Palutena, Dixie and i tentatively think Krystal or a Fire Emblem female have a shot. let's say we get just two of those. in addition to Wii Fit Trainer we've already doubled our female characters. but lets be realistic here. this isnt like other games where they can just add any character. this is a game with all stars and if the character doesnt have legitimate reasons to be added, i personally dont want them. Like take Rosalina for example. Should she get in over Toad, Bowser Jr or even Paper Mario because shes female? Hell no. she's far less prominent than those character (bar PM) and far less deserving imo.

So i guess what i'm saying is that being relevant and prominamt is more important than your gender as far as this game is concerned.

I'm not expecting a lot, but they can easily double the amount of females by just adding Dixie, Krystal, Lucina or Lyn, Medusa (Female Villain), and Midna. And these are all characters who should be added not because of their gender, but their importance to their game.

And for female characters to add, they either need to be strong playable characters, or important to Nintendo lore (like Medusa or Palutena).

 

[3Bismyname]

I'm not expecting a lot, but they can easily double the amount of females by just adding Dixie, Krystal, Lucina or Lyn, Medusa (Female Villain), and Midna. And these are all characters who should be added not because of their gender, but their importance to their game.

And for female characters to add, they either need to be strong playable characters, or important to Nintendo lore (like Medusa or Palutena).

we'd double our females with just 2 more characters considering we already added WFT. i personally wouldnt bet on characters like Midna, Lyn or Lucina. they have pretty legit reasons to never appear at all. as for Medusa, only after Palutena i think. her role to Kid Icarus was only really important in the original game. she wasnt in of Myths & Monsters and her role is significantly downgraded in Uprising. Krystal's a whole other debate entirely. Palutena and Dixie have the best chances of any female.

 

[jaytalks]

we'd double our females with just 2 more characters considering we already added WFT. i personally wouldnt bet on characters like Midna, Lyn or Lucina. they have pretty legit reasons to never appear at all. as for Medusa, only after Palutena i think. her role to Kid Icarus was only really important in the original game. she wasnt in of Myths & Monsters and her role is significantly downgraded in Uprising. Krystal's a whole other debate entirely. Palutena and Dixie have the best chances of any female.

I think Lucina has a chance depending on what they do with the Fire Emblem series. She may even end up being a quick add in clone, Lyn is less likely but I could still see them doing it. It would be a way to acknowledge the first Fire Emblem that received a worldwide release.

Fire Emblem is a series that doesn't have to follow the same conventions of other series because it's Nintendo's only prominent generational series. The only series that are comparable are Pokemon and Mother. Pokemon is second party driven and has a really unique way of selecting characters. Mother has had only 3 releases, 2 of which are only in Japan. Fire Emblem has had 14 releases and 6 that have been worldwide. So this whole "the main protagonist must come before any others may not apply," because Marth is already in the game. It's the only series that's really like that. Both Lyn and Lucina are main characters in their games; they aren't just side characters.

Medusa's role was still very significant in Uprising, as she's still a boss you fight and she still plays a major role in the game. I think people underplay her role in Uprising too much for the sake of their argument. She helps you beat Hades. I think she is more unique than Hades so I give her the props over him, and she's appears in more games than him. People keep saying Smash needs more villains and she is great one to add.

I'm not sure what everyone's problem with Krystal is, but I'm sure it doesn't affect the game makers. All the Star Fox characters aside from Fox seem fairly interchangeable to me. Krystal would probably end up just like Wolf and Falco in terms of how she plays, and maybe occasionally take out her staff.

I agree Palutena and Dixie have the best chance. But there's no harm in naming other worthy female characters.

 

[3Bismyname]

I think Lucina has a chance depending on what they do with the Fire Emblem series. She may even end up being a quick add in clone, Lyn is less likely but I could still see them doing it. It would be a way to acknowledge the first Fire Emblem that received a worldwide release.
I dont see why we have to rep the first game to go international. just seems like a poor excuse considering we've had Roy in the past and they could just as easily re add him. its not that they arent the lead characters. i dont have any problem with that. its that Lucina pretends to be Marth and as such would play exactly like him. she would be best repped through a costume at best as there's little reason to make clones now cause bulking up the roster isnt a necessity this time around.
Fire Emblem is a series that doesn't have to follow the same conventions of other series because it's Nintendo's only prominent generational series. The only series that are comparable are Pokemon and Mother. Pokemon is second party driven and has a really unique way of selecting characters. Mother has had only 3 releases, 2 of which are only in Japan. Fire Emblem has had 14 releases and 6 that have been worldwide. So this whole "the main protagonist must come before any others may not apply," because Marth is already in the game. It's the only series that's really like that. Both Lyn and Lucina are main characters in their games; they aren't just side characters.

i would argue that Micaiah is far more interesting (Gameplay not personality or story wise) and would be a better addition as it represents a different class in fire emblem as well being a lead character in her game as well. but whatever, i care little for Fire Emblem. though the protagonist really should outprioritize supporting cast regardless of the series in question and since Marth isnt the protagonist in all of the games that sort of changes up the whole way the series needs to be looked at.

Medusa's role was still very significant in Uprising, as she's still a boss you fight and she still plays a major role in the game. I think people underplay her role in Uprising too much for the sake of their argument. She helps you beat Hades. I think she is more unique than Hades so I give her the props over him, and she's appears in more games than him. People keep saying Smash needs more villains and she is great one to add.
I said she was less essential than Palutena. not that she's less important than Hades.

I'm not sure what everyone's problem with Krystal is, but I'm sure it doesn't affect the game makers. All the Star Fox characters aside from Fox seem fairly interchangeable to me. Krystal would probably end up just like Wolf and Falco in terms of how she plays, and maybe occasionally take out her staff.
I just dont see Starfox getting a fourth character while certain larger and more consistent series like Donkey Kong, Metroid or even Fire Emblem may have only 3. Nor do i see any reason to put Krystal in place of Falco or Wolf.
I agree Palutena and Dixie have the best chance. But there's no harm in naming other worthy female characters.
All well and good, I'm just saying those characters you mention have things working against them as opposed to certain other characters regardless of gender.

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[Vann Accessible]

I don't think female characters should get in simply because they're female. I think they should get in based on merit; because they could be unique fighters and are important to Nintendo's history.

For these reasons, I do highly support Dixie's and Palutena's inclusions. Dixie could be the Syndel of Smash Bros. with her hair attacks, an Palutena could be a cool magic based heavier character. Both are internal to their respective series, Dixie having been playable in 4 (5 including the new one coming out), and Palutena being the name sake of the KI series in Japan, Palutena's Light.

And yes. I do think Dixie should get in before K. Rool. I'd like them both, but if I had to pick one, it'd be Dixie.

The next female I'd support would be Krystal, because she could have an interesting set with her magic staff, but I don't feel Star Fox needs any more reps honestly.


EDIT: It is Super Smash BROTHERS! Not Super Smash. LADIES, and that is a scientific FACT!

 

[3Bismyname]

Both are internal to their respective series, Dixie having been playable in 4 (5 including the new one coming out), and Palutena being the name sake of the KI series in Japan, Palutena's Light.

sorry i just wanted to correct you and say that, with Tropical Breeze, Dixie will have been in 18 games total and in 16 she is playable. not just 5. so her presence is pretty significant

 

[Curious Villager]

EDIT: It is Super Smash BROTHERS! Not Super Bash SISTERS, and that is a scientific FACT!

Fix'd.

 

[Vann Accessible]

sorry i just wanted to correct you and say that, with Tropical Breeze, Dixie will have been in 18 games total and in 16 she is playable. not just 5. so her presence is pretty significant

I was referring to main series platforming titles. DKC2, DKC3, DKL2, DKL3, and Tropical Breeze. But okay. :D

How often has K. Rool been playable... Once?

I think this Champ Kind quote is meme worthy. :D

 

[3Bismyname]

I was referring to main series platforming titles. DKC2, DKC3, DKL2, DKL3, and Tropical Breeze. But okay. :D

How often has K. Rool been playable... Once?

3 times. DK: King of Swing, Donkey Kong Barrel Blast and Mario Super Sluggers. he's been in 12 games total

 

[jaytalks]

I dont see why we have to rep the first game to go international. just seems like a poor excuse considering we've had Roy in the past and they could just as easily re add him. its not that they arent the lead characters. i dont have any problem with that. its that Lucina pretends to be Marth and as such would play exactly like him. she would be best repped through a costume at best as there's little reason to make clones now cause bulking up the roster isnt a necessity this time around.
i would argue that Micaiah is far more interesting (Gameplay not personality or story wise) and would be a better addition as it represents a different class in fire emblem as well being a lead character in her game as well. but whatever, i care little for Fire Emblem. though the protagonist really should outprioritize supporting cast regardless of the series in question and since Marth isnt the protagonist in all of the games that sort of changes up the whole way the series needs to be looked at.
I said she was less essential than Palutena. not that she's less important than Hades.
I just dont see Starfox getting a fourth character while certain larger and more consistent series like Donkey Kong, Metroid or even Fire Emblem may have only 3. Nor do i see any reason to put Krystal in place of Falco or Wolf.
All well and good, I'm just saying those characters you mention have things working against them as opposed to certain other characters regardless of gender.

I'm not a fan of readding Roy because as opposed to other available Fire Emblem fighters, I haven't played his game. I don't know his story and as a clone his moveset isn't interesting. If they decloned him, it'd be similar to adding another character.

Lucina isn't a clone of Marth and she doesn't pretend to be Marth throughout the whole game. She uses Marth as an alias. In the game, she actually fight nothing like Marth. From the moment she becomes playable, she is her own character. She is double handed sword wield who crouches and favors stabbing as opposed to slashing. They use the games as a reference so she would fight as she does in the game, which is completely different than Marth. And as Lucina, she looks different than Marth considerable. Darker colors, the long hair, height, body type. Put two pictures of them together and see if anyone gets confused. The only knock I got against Micaiah is that we already have Ike, and third rep should be from another game in the series if he stays, She would make a great assist trophy.

I don't think Medusa's role was significantly downgraded in Uprising, she just played a different role in the story. That's what I was responding too. I was just explaining the role in relation to Hades and her chances above him (her competition as a villain in the KI series). We don't know what Sakurai wants to add from KI yet. He might pick the goddess or he might pick a villain.

Sakurai generally cuts clones first, and Star Fox has two of them, as decloned as they might be. I dont see why they are immune from getting cut, especially Wolf. In Starfox Command, all the characters play more as less the same role in relation to Fox.

Any newcomer discussed has things working against them. That's why they havent appeared in a Smash yet. But on the level of characters who merit inclusion based on their role in their games, I think all the characters listed have met that test. It's just up to the developers to see what makes these characters great.

 

[TheTuninator]

Lyn's a better choice than Roy, for my money, as she's significantly more popular and her game is more important to the franchise. That being said, realistically I don't think that she has a good chance of appearing.

I'd love to see more female characters in Smash, but I do think it's important that we not include female characters simply on the basis of them being female. A character being female in a male-dominated roster definitely should help her odds of inclusion based on uniqueness and variety, but that should be no different from the uniqueness of being, say, a cowboy armadillo.

 

[Chauzu]

There's so many female characters available that are viable. Heck, they even got a moveset out of Wii Fit Trainer. It's all down to imagination.

I'd love to see Palutena, Rosalina, Dixie and Sami. And then we have potential retro characters, like Lip. Endless potential.

 

[Morbi]

There's so many female characters available that are viable. Heck, they even got a moveset out of Wii Fit Trainer. It's all down to imagination.

I'd love to see Palutena, Rosalina, Dixie and Sami. And then we have potential retro characters, like Lip. Endless potential.

I don't really think many people recognize Sami or Lip. In fact I just had to Google Sami. I don't really think a female like that should be included. Palutena, Dixie, Krystal, or a Fire Emblem character I could understand. I just don't think that Sakurai wants to waste slots on females that could be funny... he would have done that already if that was his intention. Rosalina is stretching it a bit. I mean Bowser Jr. and Waluigi are far more requested from Mario which already has the best representation in the game.

I honestly think it would be fine if they replaced Marth with Lucina. Most people though Marth was a girl anyways.

 

[jaytalks]

I don't really think many people recognize Sami or Lip. In fact I just had to Google Sami. I don't really think a female like that should be included. Palutena, Dixie, Krystal, or a Fire Emblem character I could understand. I just don't think that Sakurai wants to waste slots on females that could be funny... he would have done that already if that was his intention. Rosalina is stretching it a bit. I mean Bowser Jr. and Waluigi are far more requested from Mario which already has the best representation in the game.

I honestly think it would be fine if they replaced Marth with Lucina. Most people though Marth was a girl anyways.

Every character doesn't necessarily need to be recognizable to the public at large. Some franchises are about just how good the games are rather than being character focused. Lip is a basically Japan-only retro character like Takamaru, and she has gotten the according press that comes with that. Sami is about recognizable as any other character in the Advance Wars series, so it's more about how the series is presented. So it's more about if the Advance Wars series deserves a rep, and if they do, Sami and Andy (and maybe Max) are about the only characters who can come from the franchise. I agree with not having side characters like Rosalina. The female characters should be strong female protagonists or villains.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

I think Smash could use more females but I don't think they should add characters just because they have two X chromosomes.

Dixie Kong is my choice with this in mind. Not only was she the best character to play as in the whole Donkey Kong Country series, she's got a lot of unique powers and a lot to steal from the rest of the DK cast. (Ness, Lucas; stop copying Paula and Kumatora's sheets and march yourselves to the principal's office.)

 

[TheDivineDeity]

Wow, with so many people against having female characters, I'd expect that from San Francisco rainbow-loving, disease-ridden gays, not from honest-to-good people posting on Smashboards. WE NEED TO BE BETTER THAN THAT!!! Still, we can't just add female characters JUST BECAUSE they are females - it would be reverse discrimination then. IF we need to add females, they must fit this criteria:

1. They need to represent an important aspect of the industry or a video game series (like Samus).
2. They are highly-requested characters in the first place (like Ridley).
3. They contribute to the overall balance of the roster, as Sakurai wants.
4. They shouldn't be on the roster just solely because of TEH SEX APPEAL. Refer to Point 1.

For term 3, by that I mean the female character has to add not only diversity to the roster, but bring something to the table that hasn't been brought yet by another character. But again, don't add a female character if another more popular male character can fulfill that role better, or if the female character is only there because we need more females (add Ashley instead of Jimmy T?).


IF we add a female character to the roster, they must DESERVE their place in the roster. Characters like Palutena and Dixie Kong are good examples. Krystal and Lyndis are not.

 

[Hippopotasauce]

I just don't think a character being female should effect the priority of her addition.

 

[TeamFlareZakk]

Chicks I'd like to see in Super Smash Bros

Daisy ( Mario )
Palutena ( Kid Icarus )
Ashley ( Wario )
Cooking Mama
Lucina ( Fire Emblem )
Mia ( Golden Sun )
Leaf ( Pokémon )
Gerudo chick ( Zelda )
Wii Fit Trainer

Yeah, hopefully the addition of The Wii Fit Trainer is a sign that we might see more chicks in Super Smash Bros for 3ds/Wii U.

 

[@tomic]

And I always thought a Ms. Game & Watch would be hilarious.

I want this to be a thing.

ill be honest. i used to be in full support of Cooking Mama as a character lol

http://www.destructoid.com/cooking-mama-5-is-heading-to-the-3ds-257605.phtml

"...Cooking Mama 5 for the Nintendo 3DS, which is preparing for a winter release in Japan."

Hmmmm...


But anyway, we have seen Nintendo marketing going out of it's way to highlight it's recent use of female characters. A push for female charcters in the next Smash isn't unlikely imo.

 

[Reznor]

wow is this really a thread
a character should not get priority over another character because of their gender
thinking gender is important is moronic

 

[TumblrFamous]

Wow, with so many people against having female characters, I'd expect that from San Francisco rainbow-loving, disease-ridden gays, not from honest-to-good people posting on Smashboards.

I agree with what you said after this, but wow. That is totally offensive. Not only is that offensive to other people on this thread that I could possibly be defending, but it's offensive to me. I'm bisexual, but I'm not a dishonest, disease-ridden fruit like you blatantly stereotyped, am I now? That is offensive to me, and anyone else that could be hurt by that.

I told you once already to mind your tongue. Stop bringing up issues like that unless you want to get **** on, homophobe. You don't need to point out in every single one of your posts that "gays are gross! I hate gays", okay? Keep it to yourself.

EDIT: You know what, I called myself Bisexual to spare your snippy comments, but no. I'm gay! Gay and proud, and I'm happy with who I am!

 

[Erimir]

Wow, with so many people against having female characters, I'd expect that from San Francisco rainbow-loving, disease-ridden gays, not from honest-to-good people posting on Smashboards.

Even leaving aside the insulting "disease-ridden" comment, this doesn't actually make sense, unless you were talking about a porn movie. Because we don't like female characters in our porn, that's true.

But you should at least get your stereotypes right. Gay men love strong female characters and divas. It's straight men and little boys who think girls have cooties who have more of a problem with playing as a female character.