Smash bros needs more girls? Why

[Guybrush20X6]

How about I do a break down of all the female character significance and moveset potential?

Princess Daisy

Significance: To be perfectly blunt, Daisy appears in a lot of Mario Spin-offs to to make sure Peach isn't the only girl. That said however she has her own established personality and once punched Bowser over the horizon. The love interest in the movie was called Princess Daisy but that was a coincidence, her name was originally Princess Diana. (That would've been awkward)
Potential: Daisy can be a lazy Peach clone but has greater potential because no-one who was making the Mario spin-offs had any consistancy with her powers. In Mario Party 7 she could magic giant flowers out of no-where, in Mario Strikers her special attack summoned giant crystals. Much like Waluigi's Assist trophy making use of a Tennis racket, she could represent all the Mario Spin-Offs.

Dixie Kong

Significance: Dixie Kong was the first female Mario-verse Character to be the star of her own game. In your face Princess Peach!
Potential: In DKC2 Diddy and Dixe played similarly but with the maojor difference of Dixie using her Ponytail to glide, thus meaning she was the character you would use. Her hair leads to more horizontal spinning attacks than Diddy and while she didn't appear in DK64 and therefore got no cool gadgets, she could knick Tiny's stuff like Ness stole his ally's PSI attacks.

Warioware Females (Mona, Ashley ect)

Significance: Withing the Warioware games they are more recognizable than the male cast. As for what they do in the series, no one of them has nearly as much recognizablity as Wario himself or much story significance. Then again, it's Warioware so... what story?
Potential: Might require some imagination but it's there. Mona has a new job in every game so there's lots going for her, Ashley has magic, Kat and Ana have swords.

Krystal

Significance: Krystal was meant to be one of two protagonists in Rareware's Zelda-esque adventure Dinosaur Planet but due to meddling from Nintendo, became the damsel in Star Fox Adventures. As it stands, she's part of the Star Fox team, filling in Peppy's role as he went into semi-retirement and has earned the ire of Star Fox Yaoi fans (of which there is a disturbing amount) by having the NERVE to have two X Chromosomes. And on a minor note, she was the first non-fox playable character in an SF game's story mode.
Potential: Star Fox Adventures saw Fox being forced to transverse the surface of Dinosaur Planet without a laser due to some convoluted who-haw, using Krystal's lost magical staff as his tool of choice. We never play Krystal with it but in a scene at the end of the game where she unceremoniously snatches it back from Fox (who then realizes that he should stick to flying Arwings and shooting stuff), she's seen to be able to use the powers Fox collected for it. This opens up a wide range of powers for he special attacks and the games combat system had several staff combos that normal moves can be taken from. (I swear that basic combo is based off Fox's forward Smash in Smash bros)

Slippy

Wait, that thing is a dude?! Er... moving on.

Palutena

Significance: After spending the first game as a damsel, Palutena came out in full force as Pit's mission control, spending her time messing with her Champion's head. Her witty banter with Pit is what elevated Kid Icarus from "cool but sore to play" to "I will gladly pay for arthritis treatments in later life to play one more level". It may be hard to translate this trait over to Smash but it stuck her in the minds of fans.
Potential: KID ICARUS SPOILERS!!! Pit is forced to fight Palutena when she's processed and fights a fake Palutena (with a severe case of Butterface) earlier on. Several moves can be taken from these fights, along with Palutena's appearance in promotional Animes where she uses in-game weapons to fight vegetables... yeah, Japan.

Phew, that took a while to write.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Krystal with breast physics!

 

[Big-Cat]

I don't know what it is with fighting games and female characters that make people go crazy lol

I mean, yeah, there are a lot of good characters of the fairer sex that would be nice to see in Smash, but I just don't see the need in having more characters of a specific type, female or otherwise

It's like, if you want to go that route, why not say, "Hey, we need more black people in Smash" or something

Personally, I prefer playing girl characters as they tend to be more in line to my playstyle. They're typically faster, more mixups, and just more interesting in general (to me at least). Male characters rarely match me for a more mobile playstyle whereas the girls do.

While you can make the argument for more black characters or some other race, but the kind of difference between males and females is far, far, far greater than the difference between ethnic groups from a biological view. In fact, there really isn't any beyond aesthetics, but that's another topic.

 

[Vintage Creep]

My wishlist:

- Palutena
- Medusa
- Impa (STAND-ALONE)
- Lucina
- Dixie Kong (paired with Diddy)
- Female Trainer as an alternate costume of the Pokémon Trainer (but with the same Pokémons)
- Bayonetta (yep)
- Ms. Pac-Man as an alternate costume of Pac-Man

I wouldn't mind:

- Daisy, as long she's not a clone. She could have a moveset based on sports games. She's not a priority AT ALL anyway.
- Rosalina, if she's done well. Not a priority anyway.
- Krystal. I do like her but I realize she's not that important anymore. If she turns out to be the fourth Fox I would laugh my ass off.
- Ashley, Mona or Kat & Ana. I'd prefer Jimmy T. as the second WarioWare rep, but these could work too.
- Birdo. Just because she's a WTF character entirely.
- A second Pokémon trio formed by a female (Cynthia?).
- Other females from Fire Emblem.

 

[Gene]

My wishlist:

- Bayonetta (yep)

Bayonetta would be the ultimate female rep in smash to end all female reps in smash.

 

[D3monicWolv3s]

Bayonetta would be the ultimate female rep in smash to end all female reps in smash.

I raise you a jynx. She whips her hair back and forth at bayonetta.

 

[Deleted member]

Only if "Racist" Jynx is an alternate color.

I want to play as Mrs. Popo.

 

[HylianHeroBigBoss]

Bayonetta would be the ultimate female rep in smash to end all female reps in smash.

I kinda think chun li would do a better job of that, shes easily one of the biggest, if not the most recognizable female game character. (inb4mspacman)

Spoiler

 

[BridgesWithTurtles]

I would very much enjoy seeing Chun-li, over Ryu in fact.

 

[Big-Cat]

I think most people would prefer to see Chun-Li in over Ryu. Much more interesting character in general and wouldn't feel "redundant" compared to any other Smash character. The only one I'd be willing to compare to is Marth due to their large poking emphasis and speed.

 

[Deleted member]

If Ryu was "Complete Change" Ryu from MvC1, he wouldn't feel so redundant.

 

[Vintage Creep]

Yeah Chun-Li isn't bad at all. But there are many Capcom reps who are more important imho, like Megaman, Phoenix Wright or Sir Arthur.

 

[Deleted member]

We need to get Team Ninja to help with this game and implement breast physics

Why?

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Why?

That was sarcasm, bro.

 

[BirthNote]

Oh. You're one of those relevancy people, or one of the early birds from the E3 incoming storm. Either way, you seem to have a great deal of bias, and alot of suppositions.

1. If you'll notice, Diddy also didn't appear until Brawl, and his last appearance was Donkey Konga 2, a spinoff, in 2003. After which, he began to appear everywhere. It's an easily refuted common counterpoint. Dixie appeared as lately as 2008, in Super Sluggers. She also played a role in the relatively recent DK Paon games, which K. Rool also played the villain's role in. K. Rool too appared in Super Sluggers. Neither of those characters is irrelevant, and if they are irrelevant right now, they're about as irrelevant as Diddy was before Brawl. I see no problem here.

2. Lara Croft isn't a Nintendo character, and she's never been one. Her recognizability is not relevant to this discussion, considering Dixie isn't competing with her.

3. "The girls in FE are strong." Well Ness and Lucas are psy-powered youths, who have the power to create and destroy. That doesn't stop them from being lower tier than a couple of mountain climbers. "A sword wielding girl is a must" According to your entire thread, it could just be another male and it wouldn't matter. Also, Dixie wouldn't be a "distance" character, nor is Palutena guaranteed to be one.

4. I wasn't talking about "gamers" (Also, the word is sex. Gender is social. I'm an Anthropologist, sue me.) I was talking about someone's not-video game savvy girlfriend. In my experience, they're more inclined to pick the female characters. Forgive my judgement, but you seem to have misread this (intentionally?)

5. The "DK(C) Series" includes the DKC trilogy, DKCR, DK64, Jungle Beat, Konga, and the Paon trilogy. That's a ton of games, and the argument shouldn't be made that it doesn't deserve 4 reps, if Star Fox has 3. Also, my point was that it's still the 4th highest selling, not whatever "biggest" means.

Thank you banjodorf. Donkey Kong is a strong franchise that's very popular and made Nintendo quite a lot of money. All the DKCs have passed the one million units sold mark, and there's tons of DK games that extend past Rare's entries. Saying that DK isn't that important when there's obvious evidence to the contrary AND when we're thinking about a game that celebrates nintendo's history is pretty foolish.

 

[Big-Cat]

Yeah Chun-Li isn't bad at all. But there are many Capcom reps who are more important imho, like Megaman, Phoenix Wright or Sir Arthur.

The only one out of those that's more "important" is Megaman. It's very tough to top someone like the First Lady of Fighting Games.

 

[SureNsync]

I admit...the Smash Bros series do need more female characters but around the numbers from 2 or 3 and Lyn from Fire Emblem is one of the most deserving Nintendo female characters and her Assist Trophy in Smash Bros. Brawl is rather a signal that she had and could still have a chance.

 

[TheMagicalKuja]

Essentially, I would like more females, and admittedly to counter the sausage fest, but like many of the sane people here, having them just because they're female would leave a bad taste in my mouth. They need to otherwise be notable.

Palutena and Dixie are the only ones I see going this way. And someone from Fire Emblem, but that's a free for all I won't personally touch, other than seeing if Lucina gets in as a Marth costume or Sakurai goes for the troll.

 

[Thirdkoopa]

I don't have much to say asides from very few female choices that would work for the Roster but the argument that more females should be added just because they're females is terrible. If they actually make the fit over other characters? Sure.

By the by, I'm kind-of sick of seeing the "Overrepresenting a franchise" argument. Smaller series can have a few playable characters too: It's a fighting game, not a popularity contest.

Krystal and Palutena are the only ones I'd really want to see. I think it would be nice to see more Kid Icarus and Star Fox games as long as they were done right and Star Fox really does need to get off of the portable systems.

 

[Ultinarok]

I know that some of the Pokemon media refer to Zoroark as a female, but it has much larger odds of being a male than a female in the RPGs.

The one you get in Black and White one is ALWAYS female, and that's the story/movie based one involving the shiny legendary beasts. That's why.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

The one you get in Black and White one is ALWAYS female, and that's the story/movie based one involving the shiny legendary beasts. That's why.

I still can't consider it as a female character, as Pokemon in the Smash Bros. titles tend to be asexual.

 

[Big-Cat]

I still can't consider it as a female character, as Pokemon in the Smash Bros. titles tend to be asexual.

Asexual means either they have no sexual attraction to anyone or that they reproduce on their own (i.e. sponges). The word you're looking for is probably unisex as some of the Pokemon can go either way in regards to sex. However, Jigglypuff has always been more feminine in regards to its clothes options leading many to refer to it as a she along with its voice. Other than that, we only have Japanese Ivysaur as a girl whose gender was changed in international versions for no reason.

 

[ChozoBoy]

Yeah, I don't know about race with characters, especially since a lot of characters look Caucasian and Oriental at the same time. Still, there isn't a Latino/Native American playable character in smash, unless I am missing something with race regarding characters (Samus, perhaps?).

Popo and Nana are presumably Innuit, so they are either Native American or Siberian.

 

[Ultinarok]

I suppose the main reason why having females characters is considered advantageous is because it allows people who enjoy female fighters (whether or not they themselves are female) to have a greater variety to choose from. Previously, Smash has been horribly underrepresented in this aspect, thus people consider being female to be a good thing to balance out the fighters a little more.

This does NOT by any means mean that undeserving or ridiculous female reps should be put in, as others have said. So I guess the issue is not NEEDING more females, its simply feeling that being female is an advantage in that it gives the cast more female variety for those gamers who want it. That's why people bring it up.

 

[Johnknight1]

Popo and Nana are presumably Innuit, so they are either Native American or Siberian.

Yeah I guess, but that still doesn't really cover the Latino demographic. The only Nintendo character with a shot at being playable in smash is... well... no one!

 

[Bassoonist]

I do agree... Adding female characters just because they're female is pointless. And trust me, I get very frustrated when I see female representation excluded from anything when it isn't fair. The addition of extra female characters that don't have any reason to really be in the game aside from being "moar female characterz" is pointless. If there was something wrong here, I would be all over it.

Nevertheless, there is one thing in regard to this that I find frustrating with this game - along with mainline Pokemon games as of late - is the total disregard of the female playable characters. Most notable was HeartGold/SoulSilver which not only replaced the original Crystal female trainer for no reason, but also completely excluded the option to face Leaf in the end instead of Red. That's something that is wrong, if you ask me. HG/SS could link up with FR/LG, and you'd be fooling yourself if you don't think there were many newer Pokemon fans who played through HG/SS, of which Leaf was their Indigo League Champion, not Red. How do you think that would have felt to them to miss out on the epic feeling of facing up against what is supposed to represent their original Kanto trainer?

In terms of Super Smash Bros., Leaf should be an alternate costume to Pokemon trainer. That's all I ask. That's the only place I will ever be bothered by with lack of female representation. Unless they did something weird and added Mii's, but only allowed you to play as a single generic male Mii, but I can't see that happening.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

Asexual means either they have no sexual attraction to anyone or that they reproduce on their own (i.e. sponges). The word you're looking for is probably unisex as some of the Pokemon can go either way in regards to sex. However, Jigglypuff has always been more feminine in regards to its clothes options leading many to refer to it as a she along with its voice. Other than that, we only have Japanese Ivysaur as a girl whose gender was changed in international versions for no reason.

My bad. But it's not like Jigglypuff doesn't have at least one kind of headgear that's considered masculine; the green bandanna from Melee.

 

[Ultinarok]

I do agree... Adding female characters just because they're female is pointless. And trust me, I get very frustrated when I see female representation excluded from anything when it isn't fair. The addition of extra female characters that don't have any reason to really be in the game aside from being "moar female characterz" is pointless. If there was something wrong here, I would be all over it.

Nevertheless, there is one thing in regard to this that I find frustrating with this game - along with mainline Pokemon games as of late - is the total disregard of the female playable characters. Most notable was HeartGold/SoulSilver which not only replaced the original Crystal female trainer for no reason, but also completely excluded the option to face Leaf in the end instead of Red. That's something that is wrong, if you ask me. HG/SS could link up with FR/LG, and you'd be fooling yourself if you don't think there were many newer Pokemon fans who played through HG/SS, of which Leaf was their Indigo League Champion, not Red. How do you think that would have felt to them to miss out on the epic feeling of facing up against what is supposed to represent their original Kanto trainer?

In terms of Super Smash Bros., Leaf should be an alternate costume to Pokemon trainer. That's all I ask. That's the only place I will ever be bothered by with lack of female representation. Unless they did something weird and added Mii's, but only allowed you to play as a single generic male Mii, but I can't see that happening.

Final battle in HG/SS against Red is based off of his appearance his Yellow, where he has Pikachu and all three starters, and is the only trainer option. Plus, I guess Red is considered canon since he was the original generation 1 trainer and Leaf wasn't. Additionally, I don't know how you could change what trainer you fought without providing spoilers, unless it was based off of dual slot with FR/LG when you started a new game. I see nothing wrong with not having Leaf. Generation 4 still gave us a female champion, and she's arguably the toughest champion in the series.

 

[Bassoonist]

Final battle in HG/SS against Red is based off of his appearance his Yellow, where he has Pikachu and all three starters, and is the only trainer option.

While that does make sense, I still don't think it's a valid excuse.

Plus, I guess Red is considered canon since he was the original generation 1 trainer and Leaf wasn't.

Not sure why this matters at all. Gamefreak sure had no trouble with removing and replacing the original female trainer from the second generation in HG/SS.

Additionally, I don't know how you could change what trainer you fought without providing spoilers, unless it was based off of dual slot with FR/LG when you started a new game.

It could be like that, or it could easily be done in a different way. Such as maybe when entering Kanto or Pallet Town you meet a person who asks you information about who the Indigo Plateau champion was. I know, that seems a bit much, but it's not like that would spoil what was going to happen in the end of the game. At that point, you recognize you'll be visiting Pallet Town, and for all you'd know at that point, that could just be the information provided for what the name on the house's sign says.

I see nothing wrong with not having Leaf.

Good for you, but I do. Funny how they only had an issue with changing features from the original game when it came to fixing this. It was an obvious mistake in my eyes.

Leaf needs to stop being left out of everything, the SSB series, having included Pokemon Trainer, is now a place where she should be represented.

 

[Hero_of_T1me_1997]

Outside of Palutena, Lucina, Female PKMN Trainer alt, and possibly Bayonetta no other girls really have much of a shot. Daisy is already represented in Peach's color scheme and would never be a standalone character. Krystal's time expired years ago

 

[Starcutter]

Outside of Palutena, Lucina, Female PKMN Trainer alt, and possibly Bayonetta no other girls really have much of a shot. Daisy is already represented in Peach's color scheme and would never be a standalone character. Krystal's time expired years ago

I'd say Dixie is more probable than most of the people you just said. except Palutena.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

Well, for fun here's my Super Bash Sisters roster



Notes
* The roster maker had no female Metal Gear characters
* Pit and Kirby are the token males
* For Game & Watch, just slap a pink bow on him and it's a she (hey, if it worked for Namco)
* Pikachu is female and has the notched tail to indicate it
* In ice Climbers, Nana is in charge by default.
* I know about Birdo, if she idenifies as a female we've got to respect that.

 

[TigerBizNiz]

I'd say Dixie is more probable than most of the people you just said. except Palutena.

I don't know but for some reason I feel like Medusa has a better chance of getting in than Palutena does. I feel Medusa has more significance than Palutena. Medusa is the main antagonist for the Kid Icarus series, which gives the SSB4 game another female AND villian representative. Palutena feels like just another protagonist character and Pit already represents that. I'd go with Medusa over Palutena.

 

[Robert of Normandy]

I don't know but for some reason I feel like Medusa has a better chance of getting in than Palutena does. I feel Medusa has more significance than Palutena. Medusa is the main antagonist for the Kid Icarus series, which gives the SSB4 game another female AND villian representative. Palutena feels like just another protagonist character and Pit already represents that. I'd go with Medusa over Palutena.

LOL

First of, Medusa is only the main antagonist of the first game. She didn't appear at all in Myths & Monsters, and was reduced to a Disc One Final Boss in KI: U.

Keep in mind that the series is NAMED after Palutena in Japan.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Hope you like disappointment then.

Medusa is not even that much important, compared to Palutena. Palutena is pretty much the franchises equivalent to Zelda.

 

[Starcutter]

Well, for fun here's my Super Bash Sisters roster



Notes
* The roster maker had no female Metal Gear characters
* Pit and Kirby are the token males
* For Game & Watch, just slap a pink bow on him and it's a she (hey, if it worked for Namco)
* Pikachu is female and has the notched tail to indicate it
* In ice Climbers, Nana is in charge by default.
* I know about Birdo, if she idenifies as a female we've got to respect that.

I'd love to be pit right now.

 

[TigerBizNiz]

LOL

First of, Medusa is only the main antagonist of the first game. She didn't appear at all in Myths & Monsters, and was reduced to a Disc One Final Boss in KI: U.

Keep in mind that the series is NAMED after Palutena in Japan.

Oh I see.. Embarrass well if they do decide to put Palutena in the next game.. I could only think that they're going to redo Pit's movesets. Like is he still going to have Palutena's arrows as his B attack?

 

[Starcutter]

Oh I see.. Embarrass well if they do decide to put Palutena in the next game.. I could only think that they're going to redo Pit's movesets. Like is he still going to have Palutena's arrows as his B attack?

I wouldn't see why not.

 

[Robert of Normandy]

Oh I see.. Embarrass well if they do decide to put Palutena in the next game.. I could only think that they're going to redo Pit's movesets. Like is he still going to have Palutena's arrows as his B attack?

I would guess so. I don't think he actually gets the power from those arrow from Palutena, so I don't see how that would be a problem. The only thing I see changing is his FS.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

I'd love to be pit right now.

I think he'd just be baffled that "Bash Sisters" exists while Palutena rubs it in his face.
Kirby on the other hand...