Smash Back Room Weekly Character Discussions! FINAL UPDATES: Ness + Lucas. All done!!

[M@v]

Based on Sir Bedevere analysis, I say it's Peach.



Dsmash nerf. They totally fixed this move for Brawl. No more Dsmash suffering from Peach to others.



Peach. Nuff said. She's not the fighting type.



Peach players are trying hard to get to the top with her without the strats she had in Melee. It isn't as easy as before.



Addicted to help the other? Or...Peach was addicted to Dsmash, now she's not.



Forgetting how Melee Peach was played, learning a new fighting style.



"Memories they can't remember": the nerfs.
"The person is stupid": she is blond.

My only problem with this theory is that it can be applied to fox as well, except the not the fighting type part. Good analyisis still.

 

[JJR.O.B.]

It's Ness.
"Not the fighting kind"- If I remember right, he wasn't a fighting person in Earthbound until he got caught up in the story
"and I've lost all doubt in a chemical romance"- One of my friends always makes a joke about the emo Ness costume, referring to it as "My Chemical Ness", in a reference to an emo band called My Chemical Romance. Seems to make sense that it could be a reference to it.
"Doors inside my head, bolted from within"- Again, if I remember right, Ness has to unlock his full potential- essentially opening doors within his head that had previously been sealed.

Anyone who wants to do the lines I couldn't think of stuff for, please do. (I could be extremely wrong, but it just seemed to fit too well...)

Well, post above somewhat nullifies these ideas. Oh well, I'll leave em here just in case

This sounds pretty solid.

My guess for now is Ness.

 

[Sir Bedevere]

Made by me, reposted and edited by Dekuu.

EDIT: And now re-reposted by Dekuu, lmao. Epic hivemind. *removes pic*

EDIT2: Er...I'll just put it back. >_>

 

[Morrigan]

Oh dear, its probably not Olimar at least...

unless its refering to Ai no Uta, but still, I think we can cross him off. Where is the remaining charcter pic?

EDIT:

Just look up

 

[The Halloween Captain]

Oh dear, its probably not Olimar at least...

unless its refering to Ai no Uta, but still, I think we can cross him off. Where is the remaining charcter pic?

Why can't this poem be from Olimar's point of view? Olimar could be talking to the Pikmin. The real secret to this poem is "who is I?" "Who is we" is important too, although I'm not concerned with "who is you?", as "you" isn't a word in the poem.

Personally, I think it's Taboo talking about/to the world. He makes references to the hands, and the writer (Tabuu) seems pretty dignified. Every line could be bent to mean Tabuu in some way. therapeutic - for taboo. Not the fighting kind - doesn't like to fight himself, always the thinker, but does manipulate others to fight for him. I can't figure out "tried," but it sound like a romanticism refering to the world he tried to bring to subspace. Chemical romance - a romance, in this case, based on subspace bombs and combining worlds, I see the chemical nature. hand washing - Master hand eliminated. Doors inside my head - Does anyone understand what the deal with Tabuu is exactly?

Not to mention the poem is in the same format as the Subspace Labyrinth. - Bits and pieces of other poems, just as the labyrinth is made of bits and pieces of other worlds (or at least terrains).

 

[XienZo]

Its not Wario in any shape or form.
Its hard to put Mario in it either.

the others have the rather depressing metagame/background story.

Olimar has a hard time fitting into the last 3 lines, but I guess he's still a possiblilty

 

[UnSaxon51]

I want to see Pokemon Trainer.
But then again...

I see some Olimar in this hint.
This was a therapeutic chain of events... Pikmin Chain, perhaps?
Guess I’m not the fighting kind... He sends Pikmin to fight for him!
...Will we always say we tried?
And I’ve lost all doubt in a chemical romance...
We tried to wash our hands of all of this...
Doors inside my head, bolted from within... Helmet? Yeah, it's a stretch.

Hmmmmmm...

Spoiler

Screw it, I'm still voting for Pokemon Trainer.

 

[Frogsterking]

OS said it would be obvious when we got it. Reading the last few pages, nothing has been eye-opening so far, except maybe the Ness thing.

 

[The Halloween Captain]

What is the perspective of the poem? Who is I and Who is we? And with that answer, tell me why you're sure your answer is the right one.

 

[Grunt]

NVM i change to Olimar.
wash his hands...

He feels guilty for sending out all the pikmin to die in a suicide mission to get himself home.

 

[Frogsterking]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Overswarm
you'll love this week.

Quote:
Originally Posted by SamuraiPanda
DK is up. I have an EPIC hint planned for this week, but it will take a bit of setup, so I can't guarantee it will be up today (as I have an exam tonight :/).

Quote:
Originally Posted by Overswarm
Trying is the first step towards failure.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Overswarm
I don't know hwy anyone would have ever thought it was Jiggs, Fox, or Sonic. That seems entirely too obvious, and not like us at all.

Whoever guess Olimar was crazy.

Luigi I could see... but not after the emphasis on rolling.


Once "barrel roll" became bigger, well, it became pretty obvious.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Overswarm
You can play it on the masterpieces section in Brawl >_>

Quote:
Originally Posted by Overswarm
*giggles like a school girl*

Quote:
Originally Posted by Overswarm
Ha! Don't party just yet. We've only just begun.

You don't need a hint from me yet. Not until you've figured out what you're doing.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Overswarm
how bout you guys stop guessing and figure out what the hint is about?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Overswarm
You know the answer 100% when you know it. There is no doubt.

Here are all of Overswarms posts since about after #25 was revealed. I also had Samurai saying it would take a bit of setup so maybe they weren't finished yet. A couple other people were excited about this week.

Overswarm is obviously waiting for us to figure something out, when they might post another hint. The *giggles like a schoolgirl* I found interesting because it came right after X-AT said it was Lucas.

EDIT:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Overswarm
hahahahaha

*picks out a single line or thought from the hint*

This obviously means (character), assuming you ignore everything that doesn't fit.

Stuff like this has been said many times before...its clear at this point he is either tricking us from it obviously being Lucas/Ness or is trying to get us to think deeper.

I'm bringing this back up to the front because I thought it was rather clever of me.

if you guys keep spamming ******** nonsense this thread i'm going to warn everyone and then this thread will be closed by yours truly

please chill out and stop +1ing your post counts for no reason.

Ahhh yes. I almost forgot Gimpyfish

 

[FBM]

What is the perspective of the poem? Who is I and Who is we? And with that answer, tell me why you're sure your answer is the right one.

The "I" is Ness and the "we" is him and his party.

I posted the "why" a few posts down on this page:

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=162420&page=588

 

[rm88]

Hints are getting ridiculous.

 

[The Halloween Captain]

I see two untouched choices for figuring out this hint. One is to combine words, for example "lost all" into "stall." Option two is to try to figure out who is the talker in the poem - is it really the character or is it Samurai talking, or the Back room as a whole that is "I"? We should do the same with "we" - does it refer to the character of the week, the "we," is it directed towards the guessers, who is "we"?

Neither have been attempted in earnest, and would be a lot for fun than using the same type of guessing we did for the entirety of last week.

 

[The Halloween Captain]

The "I" is Ness and the "we" is him and his party.

I posted the "why" a few posts down on this page:

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=162420&page=588

I cannot respect you system of not thinking outside your system. Poetry is not limitted to that realm of understanding, nor should you think within those narrow bounds of assuming you first assumption of what "I" and "we" is is correct. The riddle this week may very well be in figuring out who "I" is and who "we" is rather than just assuming "I" is the character and "we" refers to the people guessing/playing the character.

Although that isn't a bad defence of Ness.

EDIT: whoops, double post. Sorry.

 

[Frogsterking]

I see two untouched choices for figuring out this hint. One is to combine words, for example "lost all" into "stall." Option two is to try to figure out who is the talker in the poem - is it really the character or is it Samurai talking, or the Back room as a whole that is "I"? We should do the same with "we" - does it refer to the character of the week, the "we," is it directed towards the guessers, who is "we"?

Neither have been attempted in earnest, and would be a lot for fun than using the same type of guessing we did for the entirety of last week.

Overswarm said we need to stop guessing and figure out what the hint is about. So stuff like this is what we should do. I haven't seen anything yet, from limited looking. I'll try reading "I" and "we" from different perspectives.

 

[peeup]

First things first--is this a real poem?

If it is, than chances are the pronouns aren't terribly important.

If it isn't, than the BRoomers probably wrote it, so the pronouns will tell us alot.

 

[Frogsterking]

First things first--is this a real poem?

If it is, than chances are the pronouns aren't terribly important.

If it isn't, than the BRoomers probably wrote it, so the pronouns will tell us alot.

Its lyrics taken from various songs to form a poem.

So then I guess it can go either way.

 

[Denzi]

Olimar?

He never does any fighting himself, and "we", he and the Pikmin, try very hard.

Other than this, I'm at a loss. If it's not Olimar, than it has to be Roy!

 

[FBM]

First things first--is this a real poem?

If it is, than chances are the pronouns aren't terribly important.

If it isn't, than the BRoomers probably wrote it, so the pronouns will tell us alot.

It's 6 lines from 6 different songs. Check back a few pages - we already have what songs they are and who they are by (and what lines correspond to the ...'s that Panda put in).

I don't think pronouns matter; it's quite likely there is a puzzle here involving relating something about the band or song names - the lyrics might be misinformation. But then again, the last hint was over analyzed...

Thinking outside the box here would be more like figuring out why Panda chose each of these lyrics and what he was searching for when he went looking for them.

 

[peeup]

It's 6 lines from 6 different songs. Check back a few pages - we already have what songs they are and who they are by (and what lines correspond to the ...'s that Panda put in).

I don't think pronouns matter; it's quite likely there is a puzzle here involving relating something about the band or song names - the lyrics might be misinformation. But then again, the last hint was over analyzed...

Thinking outside the box here would be more like figuring out why Panda chose each of these lyrics and what he was searching for when he went looking for them.

ty for the info, and I'm thinking you're right that we should think outside the box. Try doing stuff like mixing words together, putting the first/last letters from each word together, and other things like that.

 

[The Halloween Captain]

It's 6 lines from 6 different songs. Check back a few pages - we already have what songs they are and who they are by (and what lines correspond to the ...'s that Panda put in).

I don't think pronouns matter; it's quite likely there is a puzzle here involving relating something about the band or song names - the lyrics might be misinformation. But then again, the last hint was over analyzed...

Thinking outside the box here would be more like figuring out why Panda chose each of these lyrics and what he was searching for when he went looking for them.

Thinking outside the box would be if each of us approached the poem in a totally unique way/perspective, and each came back with answers supported by radically different systems of reasoning. Although if this hint is like the first part of last week's hint, I think I'm going to skip next week's hint altogether. Although you bring up a good point about Samurai's reasoning.

 

[CR4SH]

If it's supposed to be obvious, then the only choice is lucas.

Keep that in mind. (because it's way too obviously lucas)

 

[scalpel]

I think it's Olimar. When I read the poem, I imagine a moment where an Olimar player gets edge-hogged, uses his Up+B pikmin chain, fails, and falls to his doom.

This was a therapeutic chain of events... (Referring to getting launched off of a stage and edge-hogged. It may also refer to Olimar's pikmin chain)

Guess I’m not the fighting kind... (Olimar mainly uses Pikmin for fighting)

...Will we always say we tried? (Referring to Olimar's attempt to tether the edge, but failed)

And I’ve lost all doubt in a chemical romance... (Referring to white Pikmin - poison type. Perhaps there was a white Pikmin at the end of the chain. All Olimar players know that a well-placed pikmin chain can spike edge-hoggers off and kill them. However, a white Pikmin on the front of the chain cannot spike opponents)

We tried to wash our hands of all of this... (Referring to Olimar's failure in using the Pikmin chain again)

Doors inside my head, bolted from within... (Referring to Olimar's helmet)

 

[peeup]

I think it's Olimar. When I read the poem, I imagine a moment where an Olimar player gets edge-hogged, uses his Up+B pikmin chain, fails, and falls to his doom.

This was a therapeutic chain of events... (Referring to getting launched off of a stage and edge-hogged. It may also refer to Olimar's pikmin chain)

Guess I’m not the fighting kind... (Olimar mainly uses Pikmin for fighting)

...Will we always say we tried? (Referring to Olimar's attempt to tether the edge, but failed)

And I’ve lost all doubt in a chemical romance... (Referring to white Pikmin - poison type. Perhaps there was a white Pikmin at the end of the chain. All Olimar players know that a well-placed pikmin chain can spike edge-hoggers off and kill them. However, a white Pikmin on the front of the chain cannot spike opponents)

We tried to wash our hands of all of this... (Referring to Olimar's failure in using the Pikmin chain again)

Doors inside my head, bolted from within... (Referring to Olimar's helmet)

Great ideas all around. The only problems I have with it are "And I've lost all doubt in a chemical romance..." and "Doors inside my head, bolted from within..."

"I've lost all doubt in a chemical romance" would mean that, using your white pikmin idea, Olimar doesn't doubt the fact that white pikmin can do the job right; you said the opposite. As for the "Doors inside my head, bolted from within", that doesn't relate much to his helmet, so this is a pretty big stretch IMO. If we can find a better link to these two verses, than I'll agree with yout completely. Something to look into would be the lyrics of Ai No Uta.

 

[Overswarm]

Guys guys GUYS.

What's 1 + 1?

Do you just throw out random numbers to find the answer? -_^

Follow the bread crumbs.

 

[¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯]

Bread Crumbs... It's Falco!

Lol no, I think it is sonic, but i don't know... Wario's fat... Breadcrumbs could reference him and the hint in the OP could be a reference to his rivalry with Mario.

 

[Hit973]

Hint is lines from various songs.
Jiggly Puff sings.
/week

1+1=win

 

[Browny]

luigi

no reason :/

 

[peeup]

Bread Crumbs... It's Falco!

Lol no, I think it is sonic, but i don't know... Wario's fat... Breadcrumbs could reference him and the hint in the OP could be a reference to his rivalry with Mario.

I don't think the 'bread crumbs' comment had anything to do with breadcrumbs.

What I think OS was saying (don't quote me on this): The answer is less complicated than we're making it...

 

[FBM]

I don't think the 'bread crumbs' comment had anything to do with breadcrumbs.

What I think OS was saying (don't quote me on this): The answer is less complicated than we're making it...

He's saying there is a logical path to the answer. It may not be obvious, it's there.

 

[XienZo]

Guys guys GUYS.

What's 1 + 1?

Do you just throw out random numbers to find the answer? -_^

Follow the bread crumbs.

Well, you know, we are the kind of people to say 1 + 1 = Yoshi.



Has anyone compared the hint to Ai no Uta or Namida Ga Afureta?

Those seem somewhat similar to the tones of the hint.

Of course, we all know this won't really lead us anywhere, lets head somewhere more general and less Olimar point of view. Which points at Ness.

 

[The Halloween Captain]

Guys guys GUYS.

What's 1 + 1?

Do you just throw out random numbers to find the answer? -_^

Follow the bread crumbs.

?????

Either the hint has to do with Falco's bread, the specific line number for verses of the song, or simple addition

1+1=2

And while I don't personally try to guess random numbers, I have trouble avoiding it. What you said, Overswarm, sounds EXACTLY like an Olimar hint, well except for bread crumbs. But I do know enough to know that your hints are a correllary to Samurai's and when you give a hint, it is supplemental to the Samurai hint; if the character doesn't make sence in the context of the original, it's not the one you're hinting at (unless your talking about pre-barrel roll guesses ).

1+1=2

So once we know the two 1's we know the character.

EDIT: "I" + "we" = "Pikmin Trainer"

 

[peeup]

?????

Either the hint has to do with Falco's bread, the specific line number for verses of the song, or simple addition

1+1=2

And while I don't personally try to guess random numbers, I have trouble avoiding it. What you said, Overswarm, sounds EXACTLY like an Olimar hint, well except for bread crumbs. But I do know enough to know that your hints are a correllary to Samurai's and when you give a hint, it is supplemental to the Samurai hint; if the character doesn't make sence in the context of the original, it's not the one you're hinting at (unless your talking about pre-barrel roll guesses ).

1+1=2

So once we know the two 1's we know the character.

EDIT: "I" + "we" = "Pikmin Trainer"

I'm pretty sure it was an insult, not a hint. Don't get caught up on what he just said, stay focused on the hint.

 

[Demenise]

Hint is lines from various songs.
Jiggly Puff sings.
/week

1+1=win

This.

It's Jiggles. :]

Plus, she's terrible at fighting. And I believe the song says "Guess I'm not the fighting kind."

 

[The Halloween Captain]

unclear pronoun usage + technical meaning of the words used + poetry = ?????

 

[XACE-K]

Guys guys GUYS.

What's 1 + 1?

Do you just throw out random numbers to find the answer? -_^

Follow the bread crumbs.

The 1+1 means that this hint is actually easy. Throwing out random answers is what we're doing with this hint. Follow the bread crumbs means that the SBR has created a path for us which we should follow to get the answer.

Basically, OS told us that the path to the answer is easy but our random guess are messing the path up.

Spoiler

Or I really screwed up in trying to understand what he said.

 

[Blackbelt]

It's either Ness or Lucas. The lyrics just seem to fit those two.


And the fact Ness actually travels into his own mind helps.

 

[Denzi]

I think it's Olimar. When I read the poem, I imagine a moment where an Olimar player gets edge-hogged, uses his Up+B pikmin chain, fails, and falls to his doom.

This was a therapeutic chain of events... (Referring to getting launched off of a stage and edge-hogged. It may also refer to Olimar's pikmin chain)

Guess I’m not the fighting kind... (Olimar mainly uses Pikmin for fighting)

...Will we always say we tried? (Referring to Olimar's attempt to tether the edge, but failed)

And I’ve lost all doubt in a chemical romance... (Referring to white Pikmin - poison type. Perhaps there was a white Pikmin at the end of the chain. All Olimar players know that a well-placed pikmin chain can spike edge-hoggers off and kill them. However, a white Pikmin on the front of the chain cannot spike opponents)

We tried to wash our hands of all of this... (Referring to Olimar's failure in using the Pikmin chain again)

Doors inside my head, bolted from within... (Referring to Olimar's helmet)

It's definately this one.

 

[The Star King]

Characters not done yet:
Fox
Ike
Jigglypuff
Lucas
Luigi
Mario
Ness
Olimar
Peach
Pokemon Trainer
Sonic
Wario
Zero Suit Samus

This was a therapeutic chain of events...
Guess I’m not the fighting kind...
...Will we always say we tried?

Someone who was thought to be high tier at first, but proven to be not, no matter how much the fanboys persisted? Though, "Not the fighting type" reminds me of Ike's, "I fight for my friends" for some reason. XD
Bottom Tiers not done yet:
Lucas
Ness
Mario
Pokemon Trainer
Sonic
Jigglypuff

And I’ve lost all doubt in a chemical romance...

Chemical Romance? Like, the band, or a drug habit?

We tried to wash our hands of all of this...
Doors inside my head, bolted from within...

I dunno, sounds like some psychic reference.

Conclusion: I have no freaking clue. For now, I'll say Ness.