Smash 4 Speculation Chart [WE UPDATE NOW]

[TORNADO BUS DRIVER]

Why's that?

i don't know

 

[Deleted member]

IIRC, she was voted off quite a while ago.

 

[fogbadge]

Why's that?

most likely due to being voted off

who is she anyway?

 

[Capybara Gaming]

most likely due to being voted off

who is she anyway?

Protagonist of Nintendo's only truly siomewhat successful M-Rated IP, Eternal Darkness, which Nintendo recently renewed the rights to it's logo and Sanity system.

 

[Deleted member]

Protagonist of Nintendo's only truly siomewhat successful M-Rated IP, Eternal Darkness, which Nintendo recently renewed the rights to it's logo and Sanity system.

They've renewed the licesnse at least 5 times already without doing anything with it. Companies tend to renew licensing on dormant IPs so that they don't lose them.
And Silicon Knights is in no position to work on a sequel due to the crumbling loss of a lawsuit with Epic Games.

 

[Capybara Gaming]

They've renewed the licesnse at least 5 times already without doing anything with it. Companies tend to renew licensing on dormant IPs so that they don't lose them.
And Silicon Knights is in no position to work on a sequel due to the crumbling loss of a lawsuit with Epic Games.

No big whup, I was just wondering. Why/how do characters get voted off?

 

[fogbadge]

No big whup, I was just wondering. Why/how do characters get voted off?

we all voted months ago on whom we thought were likely by the sounds of things shes not likely

personally i think there no point adding or removing anyone from the charts at this point we're only a few months from the 3ds version release

 

[Capybara Gaming]

we all voted months ago on whom we thought were likely by the sounds of things shes not likely

personally i think there no point adding or removing anyone from the charts at this point we're only a few months from the 3ds version release

Ok, but how are characters like Donbe and Hikari and Doshin and Diskun likely but not her?

 

[Deleted member]

Voting off now is not an option.
But when the voting period last year took place, it was to shorten the charts a bit by keeping those who were felt necessary, and removing others that were simply filler.

Ok, but how are characters like Donbe and Hikari and Doshin and Diskun likely but not her?

Different grading regimin.
Donbe & Hikari as well as Diskun were evaluted as "classic" characters, which took into account whether or not they have presense in previous Smash titles and whether or not they were "notable".

Doshin, as unlikely as he is, was voted to be kept due having reference in Melee via trophy.

Alexxandra was voted off due to Eternal Darkness having absolutely no content featured in Smash while being a niche title that doesn't mesh well with Smash.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

Brittany is now confimred to be non-playable but I don't hink any of us are suprised. I think Olimar will be the sole character again. Unless Alph or Charlie have a moveset of nothing but Rock Pikmin.

 

[AEMehr]

Brittany is now confimred to be non-playable but I don't hink any of us are suprised. I think Olimar will be the sole character again. Unless Alph or Charlie have a moveset of nothing but Rock Pikmin.

I doubt that, the only likely scenario is that the Rock Pikmin will be it's own stand alone character because it don't need no man captain to tell it what to do.

 

[AEMehr]

haha ignorethis

 

[Deleted member]

I thought costumes got a purple background like with "Hii Fit Trainer"?

 

[AEMehr]

I thought costumes got a purple background like with "Hii Fit Trainer"?

YES WELL I FORGOT

 

[Guybrush20X6]

Nice to finally have a confirmation.

 

[AEMehr]

now in the correct color

 

[Deleted member]

Time to put in Ike as a confirmed returning veteran!

 

[AEMehr]

Wasn't expecting to update the Fire Emblem chart for awhile.

• We like Ike
• Changed Lyn's artwork to her appearance as an assist trophy.

 

[Kind Dedede]

This is going to topple over into other debates now, poor Lucas/Wolf fans as well as any other FE character. This is only the beginning, mark my words.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

Looks like Sakurai really is trying to keep all the veterans. Only ones in any real danger are Snake, Ivysaur and Squirtle annd they are at the behest of other companies.

 

[Ben Holt]

Should I feel entitled to bragging rights for saying Ike would not be cut from day 1?

 

[Deleted member]

Front post updated.

 

[praline]

Wasn't expecting to update the Fire Emblem chart for awhile.

• We like Ike
• Changed Lyn's artwork to her appearance as an assist trophy.

You're forgetting Micaiah. She's a better choice than the bottom 2 rows anyways.

 

[God Robert's Cousin]

You're forgetting Micaiah. She's a better choice than the bottom 2 rows anyways.

We voted on this a while ago. A lot of us. She was voted off. Let's not turn this into another Vaati.

 

[CrusherMania1592]

Should I feel entitled to bragging rights for saying Ike would not be cut from day 1?

I would be the same due to knowing he wasn't gonna get cut

 

[praline]

I would be the same due to knowing he wasn't gonna get cut

Same for meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

 

[andimidna]

IMO every character on the FE chart is more likely than Micaiah (by a decent amount), but she is the most likely FE character that's not on the chart.
If it were going to be a list of 9 characters, I'd call her a good pick.
But for a list of 8 characters, these come first. I guess having Radiant Dawn Ike may help a bit, but not enough to beat Chrom, Lucina, Robin, Anna, and Roy.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

To clear up the decision process he ones on the list were the ones that were previously in smash, starred in Awakening, or in Anna's case, had been in nearly every game.

 

[Ben Holt]

I know we voted, but I'd like to make my case for Sceptile.
1. When we voted, Greninja wasn't announced nor were Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire.
2. Due to these two announcements and Game Freak's high influence on which Pokemon characters get into Smash Bros., it makes sense that they would like to promote OR/AS while still representing the Fire/Water/Grass trio.
3. With OR/AS coming out in November, it's not out of the question that we MAY see a Mega-Sceptile revealed before SSB3DS comes out. And if such a Mega Evolution is planned, Nintendo probably knows about it far enough in advance to program it into Smash Bros.
4. Sceptile played a major role in the anime, being Ash's starter from Hoenn. This could be seen as irrelevant, but the Anime is what made Pikachu and Jigglypuff popular.
5. With Charizard abandoning his trainer, Greninja could be seen as Squirtle's replacement. Sceptile could likewise replace Ivysaur.
6. Sceptile is arguably the most popular Grass type.
7. Unlike the other Grass starters, Sceptile actually LOOKS like a fighter.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

I know we voted, but I'd like to make my case for Sceptile.
1. When we voted, Greninja wasn't announced nor were Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire.
2. Due to these two announcements and Game Freak's high influence on which Pokemon characters get into Smash Bros., it makes sense that they would like to promote OR/AS while still representing the Fire/Water/Grass trio.
3. With OR/AS coming out in November, it's not out of the question that we MAY see a Mega-Sceptile revealed before SSB3DS comes out. And if such a Mega Evolution is planned, Nintendo probably knows about it far enough in advance to program it into Smash Bros.
4. Sceptile played a major role in the anime, being Ash's starter from Hoenn. This could be seen as irrelevant, but the Anime is what made Pikachu and Jigglypuff popular.
5. With Charizard abandoning his trainer, Greninja could be seen as Squirtle's replacement. Sceptile could likewise replace Ivysaur.
6. Sceptile is arguably the most popular Grass type.
7. Unlike the other Grass starters, Sceptile actually LOOKS like a fighter.

At this point we're sticking to our guns but if this gecko is revealed, feel free to gloat.

 

[Deleted member]

The anime is not what made Pikachu popular.
Pikachu being popular is why it was Ash's Pokémon in anime and the mascot in general.

That, and it appealed to both boys and girls, as opposed to Clefairy, who was the intended mascot and who Ash was originally supposed to get.

 

[ChunkyBeef]

The anime is not what made Pikachu popular.
Pikachu being popular is why it was Ash's Pokémon in anime and the mascot in general.

That, and it appealed to both boys and girls, as opposed to Clefairy, who was the intended mascot and who Ash was originally supposed to get.

Man, I hate to go off topic here, but a Clefairy would've been the most boring choice in the long run.

"What're you gonna do? Metronome me to death?"
"We have a 25% odds to get a useful move! Let's go, Clefairy!"

 

[Deleted member]

Man, I hate to go off topic here, but a Clefairy would've been the most boring choice in the long run.

"What're you gonna do? Metronome me to death?"
"We have a 25% odds to get a useful move! Let's go, Clefairy!"

Well, there was Togepi....and Metronome seemed to work for the little guy more than half the time. And he didn't even know he was doing it!

EDIT: And likely, the Clefairy would have been a crass talking one like the one in the Pokémon Pocket Monsters manga so there's that at least...

 

[Ben Holt]

The anime is not what made Pikachu popular.
Pikachu being popular is why it was Ash's Pokémon in anime and the mascot in general.

That, and it appealed to both boys and girls, as opposed to Clefairy, who was the intended mascot and who Ash was originally supposed to get.

That's debatable. But I gave more than that one reason. 7 to be exact.

 

[Deleted member]

...Not it's not debatable.
http://web.archive.org/web/20100501...magazine/99/1122/pokemon6.fullinterview1.html

TIME: Pikachu is sort of marginal in the game. But it's now the best-known character. How'd that happen?
Tajiri: When they did the anime, they wanted a specific character to focus on. Pikachu was relatively popular compared with the others and potentially both boys and girls would like it. They heard a lot of opinions about this. It wasn't my idea.

The Pokémon Pocket Monsters manga came out before the anime, and Clefairy was Red's starter while Pikachu was his secondary Pokémon. Clefairy was given more of a lead role, but Pikachu proved to be more popular all around.

As for the other points, first let me address this important statement I made in regards to Sceptile.

As I said back a month ago, late additions at this point in time have to be very special exceptions considering how late we are in the speculation scene.
Rosalina is an example; she was voted off, then voted back in due to discovering she was going to have a playable role in 3D World. With Blue Toad added in as well due to the Toon Link logic meaning a playable Toad hasn't quite been ruled out yet despite Rosalina making it difficult to believe in any other Newcomer.

Sceptile has nothing going for it to be a special exception yet.
No amount of speculation about promotion or faulty "complete starter trinity" logic will do.
Until there is legitimate evidence towards a special possibility such as extensive promotion in the anime, getting special treatment with 2 Megas like Charizard, etc., there is no reason to take the bandwagon seriously.

Now in regards to the points specifically:

1) Too far late in development to believe OR/AS will have any influence.
2) Again, too far late in development to believe OR/AS will have any influence. Aside from that, there's no reason to believe in the "Grass/Fire/Water" logic; Charizard being Fire type has nothing to do with his inclusion; Charizard's in because he's mothalovin' Charizard. Greninja also happens to be the most popular Pokémon of X/Y and wasn't decided upon until after X/Y's release and Sakurai was able to do market research. (He previously claimed that no market research was done on X/Y due to it not being released)
http://www.eventhubs.com/news/2013/...-time-bring-back-entire-smash-roster-wii-3ds/

Sceptle? Not even the most popular starter of R/S, that's Blaziken. The only argument for Sceptile here is that "he's Grass type so he has to complete the trinity!" with OR/AS being the only reason why he's getting bandwagoned as opposed to Serperior.

3) If Sceptile gets a Mega, big whoop. Blaziken has one (and was heavily marketed for X/Y) and Swampert will very likely get one as well. The only way a Mega is going to make Sceptile stand out is if Sceptile is given special treatment like Charizard and is given two.

5) Not a strong enough case. See point 2 again about Charizard and Greninja.

6) Not only is that irrelevant since Type has no influence on Smash Bros. inclusion, but it's unverifiable. While it's not the end-all source of popularity and is now outdated due to Gen 6, the top 100 of IGN lists Sceptile as #66 while the highest ranking Grass type is Venusaur at #15, providing at the very least one source that renders the point about Sceptile being the most popular false.
Then there's the pre-B/W Top 10 for Japan, where Celebi and Shaymin made the Top 10, though that is very likely influenced by the fact the winning Pokémon would be distributed (and unsurprisingly, Arceus was #1).

7) So irrelevant it isn't even funny. And also subjective since the only Grass starter that wouldn't work as a fighter is Torterra due to having no alternative means to limbs to make up for its body frame.
And also wrong, since this exists:

Which just so happens to be Fighting type.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

Well E3 is around the corner so maybe we'll see what happens to the charts.

Oh and @ AEMehr ?I'm loving the new avatar.

 

[AEMehr]

Well E3 is around the corner so maybe we'll see what happens to the charts.

Oh and @ AEMehr ?I'm loving the new avatar.

I am expecting that several of these will update in someway, although I doubt we'll get as big as an update as with the Smash Direct.

And thank you Guybrush, I'm a fan of it too.

 

[Deleted member]

I would like to remind everyone that Mega Sceptile is not grounds for getting Sceptile on the chart.

As stated previously, Blaziken had one already and was heavily promoted in X/Y with it and Swampert (as expected) was given one as well.
Only if Sceptile is getting two like Charizard did will the Mega Evolution aspect be reasoning to include Sceptile this late in speculation.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

I would like to remind everyone that Mega Sceptile is not grounds for getting Sceptile on the chart.

As stated previously, Blaziken had one already and was heavily promoted in X/Y with it and Swampert (as expected) was given one as well.
Only if Sceptile is getting two like Charizard did will the Mega Evolution aspect be reasoning to include Sceptile this late in speculation.

Thanks, but be prepared for people to ignore that message anyway. Especially considering Sceptile got one of the weirdest ability choices in the Pokeverse.

 

[ChunkyBeef]

Thanks, but be prepared for people to ignore that message anyway. Especially considering Sceptile got one of the weirdest ability choices in the Pokeverse.

I stopped keeping track after I realized how stupid the Mega's looked. What abilities did Swampert/Sceptile get?