Smash 4 Speculation Chart [WE UPDATE NOW]

[Capybara Gaming]

I wouldn't say Young Link is completely deconfirmed, just very unlikely.

 

[AEMehr]

I wouldn't say Young Link is completely deconfirmed, just very unlikely.

The possibility of a third playable Link showing up is way too farfetched. We knew we were getting one, and that one ended up being Toon again.

 

[Capybara Gaming]

The possibility of a third playable Link showing up is way too farfetched. We knew we were getting one, and that one ended up being Toon again.

Sakurai could always suprise us. Just saying don't count your Link's until they're awakened.

 

[Curious Villager]

People are already getting incredibly worked up over two Link's, let alone three....

 

[Guybrush20X6]

Why is it always Zelda characters? No one ever complains about the Prince Fluff or Jody Summers.

On a similar topic I think Sceptile is now up for consideration on the theory that he'd be the perfect Gen 3 rep. I disagree but it's been around the boards a lot.

 

[AEMehr]

Sakurai could always suprise us. Just saying don't count your Link's until they're awakened.

It's a whole lot more likely we'll see another Ganon before another Link. I heavily doubt we'll ever see anymore than the two of the same character in any Smash rosters in the future.

I mean especially since Toon Link exists to be a Child Link, what in the world what a third one be?

 

[Capybara Gaming]

Majora's Mask link.

 

[Pacack]

Majora's Mask link.

With no transformations? I'm sorry, but this guy

Is a whole lot more likely than him.

 

[AEMehr]

Majora's Mask link.

That doesn't answer my question, it even makes your case harder for you as well.

If Majora's Mask Link, you know the original Child Link, was to be in the game why in the world would Toon Link already be filling in the role he's essentially known for? It makes no sense.

And yes, as Pacack said, with no Transformations Majora's Mask Link is basically dead.

 

[Capybara Gaming]

Transformations are unneeded. He could merely whip out the mask, use the attack and remove it. Not that hard.

Although I like ALBW Link.

Just saying my point. Sorry I brought it up.

 

[AEMehr]

Transformations are unneeded. He could merely whip out the mask, use the attack and remove it. Not that hard.

Although I like ALBW Link.

Just saying my point. Sorry I brought it up.

Meh, there is still no reason for a third Link to show up before a second Zelda or Ganon (Although, we do technically have our second Zelda in Sheik).

The general agreement is that Toon Link is it for any other Link, so that is why Worlds and Young Link are considered disconfirmed.

On a similar topic I think Sceptile is now up for consideration on the theory that he'd be the perfect Gen 3 rep. I disagree but it's been around the boards a lot.

Perhaps we could compromise and suggest that Blaziken and Mega Blaziken can just stand for any Generation 3 Pokémon and their Mega Evolution (if they have one in OR and AS). Since it essentially represents the whole thing. We'll have to see Golden's response to this.

 

[ChunkyBeef]

'til they make a genuine effort to greatly diversify the moveset and specials of Toon Link/Young Link, I will never support the idea of a third playable Link.

 

[Deleted member]

We are not getting a third Link, pure and simple.

@ AEMehr
I say no to Sceptile until there is reason to assume Sceptile is getting in outside of the flawed "we needs Grass starter nao" logic.

If for example, Ash decides to bring in Sceptile for his journey for whatever reason like he did Charizard in BW, then it'd be safe to assume Sceptile's getting a marketing push.

 

[andimidna]

We are not getting a third Link, pure and simple.

@ AEMehr
I say no to Sceptile until there is reason to assume Sceptile is getting in outside of the flawed "we needs Grass starter nao" logic.

If for example, Ash decides to bring in Sceptile for his journey for whatever reason like he did Charizard in BW, then it'd be safe to assume Sceptile's getting a marketing push.

He's not guaranteed, but neither are 99% of the characters on the full list.

He is now commonly regarded as the frontrunner for Pokemon, so you might want to put some personal opinions aside for this one.
It is possible that Game Freak would recommend a character for the remake. It is possible that Sceptile will be getting a Mega Evolution in the remakes. It is possible that a Grass type would be recommended.

So while you can easily just cast this all off as too late in the game to affect anything, this could have also been planned for a while.

If you don't have the frontrunner of one of Nintendo's main 3 series, then it's not much of a full list.

Blaziken couldn't bring much to the table, and Genesect has the same problem as Sceptile, not being the most popular of his gen.

It will most likely not happen, but not even putting it into consideration seems wrong.

 

[Deleted member]

"commonly regarded as the frontrunner"

"Sceptile" is a rather funny way to spell "Mewtwo".

 

[andimidna]

"commonly regarded as the frontrunner"

"Sceptile" is a rather funny way to spell "Mewtwo".

Oh, veterans, huh? Then "Mewtwo" is a funny way to spell "Jigglypuff"
Obviously I was talking about newcomers, which Mewtwo is not.

 

[Deleted member]

Oh, veterans, huh? Then "Mewtwo" is a funny way to spell "Jigglypuff"
Obviously I was talking about newcomers, which Mewtwo is not.

Irrelevant.
Mewtwo, not being present in Brawl, is evaluated in regards to his odds as if he was a Newcomer by the majority.
Being the most requested character in general puts him as the frontrunner for the Pokémon series. Not Sceptile, who's only just starting to get a vocal group of people that spout how likely he is because MUH RELEVANCY, MUH GRASS TYPE, etc.

 

[FalKoopa]

I think Sceptile shouldn't be added until we get some info about him (some footage of OR/AS showing him, Mega Evolution, etc.)

And besides, what's the problem if we get another character that passes under the radar?

 

[andimidna]

MUH RELEVANCY, MUH GRASS TYPE

That's 2 more things than Plusle/Minun and Pichu have going for them

 

[Deleted member]

That's 2 more things than Plusle/Minun and Pichu have going for them

Except.....Plusle and Minun are just as relevant as Sceptile with the remakes, Pichu was in Smash before (at which all veterans are on the chart regardless of chances; pay attention), and them being on the chart anyway is irrelevant to the discussion at hand.

You are not really helping your case any.

 

[Pacack]

That's 2 more things than Plusle/Minun and Pichu have going for them

Pichu is a veteran.

Plusle/Minun are commonly thought to have been planned for Brawl, even though that may be a misconception.

 

[SmasherMaster]

Except.....Plusle and Minun are just as relevant as Sceptile with the remakes, Pichu was in Smash before (at which all veterans are on the chart regardless of chances; pay attention), and them being on the chart anyway is irrelevant to the discussion at hand.

You are not really helping your case any.

Every Hoenn Pokemon confirmed. We must add Mudkip, Jirachi, Mawile, Corphish, Torkoal and Tailow.

But Sceptile is a starter Pokemon evolution. Those are always marketed.

 

[Kind Dedede]

Sceptile won't be joining the game over Mewtwo and especially not over Jigglypuff. Being a grass starter has an advantage for a possibility but seeing as how Blaziken got a mega evolution first makes me feel like he would be included prior, especially since he is part fighting.

 

[andimidna]

And besides, what's the problem if we get another character that passes under the radar?

Isn't it just a bit... embarrassing?

I was just looking back to when Rosalina was being argued. And, while I'm not sure about Villager, it looks like Wii Fit Trainer (for obvious reasons) and Greninja were never brought up.

To me, it just makes the thread look bad. But alright, the select few people commonly on this thread want to count out Sceptile completely. Let's all just pretend there isn't a thread that averages 50+ votes for certain characters daily, getting a better perspective on the Smash community, and has ranked Sceptile as the most likely and most wanted Pokemon Newcomer choice (I believe #20 and #10 overall respectively), even on a day he was being rated alongside Blaziken.

Nah, it's only you guys that matter, that's why it's worked out so well for you all in the past, right?

I honestly don't care if you guys add him or not. I'm not specifically attached to him. But it depends on whether you want a speculation chart based on the speculation of the smash community, or the speculation of yourselves (and there's nothing wrong with wanting the latter, really).
I mean, when's the last time you've seen a roster with Plusle/Minun, Pichu, Genesect, or Blaziken?
I thought the idea of Sceptile was ridiculous when people were just bringing it up for a grass type, but with Hoenn confirmed I'm on his side.
Plus, the idea of 7 Pokemon in Smash is delicious.

 

[ChunkyBeef]

Plus, the idea of 7 Pokemon in Smash is delicious.

I find the idea of any franchise/series in Smash getting six characters over-saturation as it is, but that's just me. Pokemon getting seven Smash reps is ridiculous, what with there being the strong possibility of Pokemon getting its own fighting game in the near future.

 

[Deleted member]

But Sceptile is a starter Pokemon evolution. Those are always marketed.

Yeah, in their base forms.
Treecko confirmed.

Isn't it just a bit... embarrassing?

I was just looking back to when Rosalina was being argued. And, while I'm not sure about Villager, it looks like Wii Fit Trainer (for obvious reasons) and Greninja were never brought up.

To me, it just makes the thread look bad. But alright, the select few people commonly on this thread want to count out Sceptile completely. Let's all just pretend there isn't a thread that averages 50+ votes for certain characters daily, getting a better perspective on the Smash community, and has ranked Sceptile as the most likely and most wanted Pokemon Newcomer choice (I believe #20 and #10 overall respectively), even on a day he was being rated alongside Blaziken.

Nah, it's only you guys that matter, that's why it's worked out so well for you all in the past, right?

I honestly don't care if you guys add him or not. I'm not specifically attached to him. But it depends on whether you want a speculation chart based on the speculation of the smash community, or the speculation of yourselves (and there's nothing wrong with wanting the latter, really).
I mean, when's the last time you've seen a roster with Plusle/Minun, Pichu, Genesect, or Blaziken?
I thought the idea of Sceptile was ridiculous when people were just bringing it up for a grass type, but with Hoenn confirmed I'm on his side.
Plus, the idea of 7 Pokemon in Smash is delicious.

Grow the **** up. Seriously.

There has been only what, two characters that weren't initially on the chart prior to their reveal (one being a character that no one seriously predicted) and you act as though this thread is run by some Nazi cult that doesn't know what in the flying **** they're doing?
Just because of one character that a vocal minority is lauding as super likely for bull**** reasoning?
While nitpicking at choices that at the time were believable and/or have specific reasoning behind it that doesn't involve their chances?


This isn't the first time you've pulled this ****. I remember you raising a stink over Midna and Tiki not being on the chart because "people support them" and other faulty reasoning.
Well guess what? Midna's an Assist and Tiki's a trophy. Clearly your line of thinking has worked so well for you, huh?

If you think you can do better, then make your own goddamn chart and don't sully this thread with your presence any longer.

 

[andimidna]

Yeah, in their base forms.
Treecko confirmed.

Grow the **** up. Seriously.

There has been only what, two characters that weren't initially on the chart prior to their reveal (one being a character that no one seriously predicted) and you act as though this thread is run by some Nazi cult that doesn't know what in the flying **** they're doing?
Just because of one character that a vocal minority is lauding as super likely for bull**** reasoning?
While nitpicking at choices that at the time were believable and/or have specific reasoning behind it that doesn't involve their chances?


This isn't the first time you've pulled this ****. I remember you raising a stink over Midna and Tiki not being on the chart because "people support them" and other faulty reasoning.
Well guess what? Midna's an Assist and Tiki's a trophy. Clearly your line of thinking has worked so well for you, huh?

If you think you can do better, then make your own goddamn chart and don't sully this thread with your presence any longer.

Wow, you're really just awful.

I recommend something... just a small suggestion, and you manage to turn things around into some big deal?
You don't have to explode over everything, you need to learn to contain yourself.

It's not like I come up to you over a small thing and start laughing at you for wanting Waluigi.
Which I could do. But why would I?

I mean, "grow the **** up?" ...are you even being serious anymore? I can't even imagine replying that way to such harmless posts. We're talking about a game. You should treat it that way.

By the way... it was the exact same last time, I made a simple suggestion, and I was disrespected to no end:

You put a Zelda character that doesn't even exist over Midna ;_;
That'd be like adding Dry Bowser Jr. or Paper Nabbit over Rosalina.
You even put Robin thrice instead of Tiki ;_;
Y U DO DIS ARIAND?

Harmless post, basically all just joking around.
And then:

Because we agreed that Midna won't be getting in. Because she won't!

Saying a character won't get in because they won't is lower than calling a character too big. I mean... try to put it in your own perspective.
What if somebody said "We [people not involved in the development of the game] have decided Waluigi [a very wanted character of yours] won't be getting in [which is a definite statement, unlike calling it very unlikely or something along those lines] and it's because he won't!

Y'know, I'll be shocked if you don't get a warning for your most recent post. That kind of content should not be tolerated on SmashBoards, and frankly, I'll be disappointed if it is.

I don't know what sets you off.
Also, I never said Midna and Tiki were likely. And I never said they were the frontrunners of their series newcomer-wise. Not even the #2 choice either.
Also:

It will most likely not happen, but not even putting it into consideration seems wrong.

This is the point I'm trying to get across.
I never thought Midna would get in. I never thought Tiki would get in. I don't think Sceptile will get in... but:

He's not guaranteed, but neither are 99% of the characters on the full list.

This chart isn't a list of every character that will be in the game. Isn't it a chart of character with at least a notable chance of maybe... 5% or more? Do you have a cut-off%?

I'm not asking for deconfirmed or semi-deconfirmed characters like Skull Kid, Toad, or Lip. And:

I honestly don't care if you guys add him or not. I'm not specifically attached to him.

I'm not some random blind Sceptile fan. I'm just saying.... he does have a chance that's worth considering.
And I will continue to believe that Sceptile the frontrunner, Blaziken is #2, and Genesect is #3... with the rest having a lower than 5% chance. (not including veterans)
You can continue to count him out entirely, but at least keep an eye on him.



I hope that getting a calm response that's actually argumentative has helped you see where I'm coming from, because I got nothing from your post except insults that were extremely uncalled for.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Okay you two...

Cool it. Let's nip this at the bud here.

@ andimidna It's his thread and several other agree with him.

If you don't like it, you can make your own.

 

[Deleted member]

"Uncalled for"?

After **** like this?

To me, it just makes the thread look bad. But alright, the select few people commonly on this thread want to count out Sceptile completely. Let's all just pretend there isn't a thread that averages 50+ votes for certain characters daily, getting a better perspective on the Smash community, and has ranked Sceptile as the most likely and most wanted Pokemon Newcomer choice (I believe #20 and #10 overall respectively), even on a day he was being rated alongside Blaziken.

Nah, it's only you guys that matter, that's why it's worked out so well for you all in the past, right?

You had the nerve to act as though this thread isn't being run right and you know better than us over a fad by a vocal minority, and you think you've done nothing to warrant my anger?
And I'm supposed to treat it as a game?

 

[andimidna]

"Uncalled for"?

After **** like this?


You had the nerve to act as though this thread isn't being run right and you know better than us over a fad by a vocal minority, and you think you've done nothing to warrant my anger?
And I'm supposed to treat it as a game?

Nah. It's just a game.
Next time just say you disagree, and won't be changing you're mind. That's all.
I didn't say this thread was run the wrong way, I brought up what a larger thread is currently saying about the character.
Just to show it's not something I decided to make up and that I'm not alone in thinking he has a chance.

And I do think it looks a bit... bad... when a character gets confirmed that's not on the chart. I can't think of a better word, but does it not seem that way at all to you? If not, OK. That's fine.
And in the end, yes, it is a game.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Next time just say you disagree, and won't be changing you're mind. That's all.

To be fair, he did.


Again. Let's drop this...

 

[andimidna]

To be fair, he did.


Again. Let's drop this...

I said "just" as in, without the added insults on top.

And I know you're his friend, and that's nice, but you seem to be looking at this from an unfair perspective strongly in his favor.
Even in your post before... And that argument on the other thread months ago.
But maybe I'm just reading what you're saying the wrong way

 

[Swamp Sensei]

I said "just" as in, without the added insults on top.

We are not getting a third Link, pure and simple.

@ AEMehr
I say no to Sceptile until there is reason to assume Sceptile is getting in outside of the flawed "we needs Grass starter nao" logic.

If for example, Ash decides to bring in Sceptile for his journey for whatever reason like he did Charizard in BW, then it'd be safe to assume Sceptile's getting a marketing push.

This was stated earlier in the thread.

Then you argued against this stance.

Then we got to where we are now.

But maybe I'm just reading what you're saying the wrong way

You are.

 

[andimidna]

This was stated earlier in the thread.

Then you argued against this stance.

Then we got to where we are now.



You are.

Hmm... You're making me sound like the instigator.
Like this was a one-sided situation. I'm sorry, but I still feel that way.

And that post before wasn't in reply to me, I came after to help his case.

But that's fine. We all have places to be. I don't even care about the main reason I posted here anymore. I just feel the need to defend myself when these things happen.

 

[Deleted member]

You are the instigator.
You felt the need to peddle me with speculation and words of vocal minorities when I've said that there needs to be more compelling reason for adding Sceptile this late into the chart, claim that the chart is inadequate without the "fortrunner of Pokémon" and "personal opinion should be put aside" (ironic), be a smartass with flawed and irrelevant reasoning as to nitpick about older additions to the chart, then act as if the chart isn't run properly and isn't "based on the speculation of the smash community" over Sceptle.

And for what, because a bandwagon formed parroting the same flawed logic and gave Sceptile a relatively high position on the RTC after previously giving him a rather low position just days before?

As I said back a month ago, late additions at this point in time have to be very special exceptions considering how late we are in the speculation scene.
Rosalina is an example; she was voted off, then voted back in due to discovering she was going to have a playable role in 3D World. With Blue Toad added in as well due to the Toon Link logic meaning a playable Toad hasn't quite been ruled out yet despite Rosalina making it difficult to believe in any other Newcomer.

Sceptile has nothing going for it to be a special exception yet.
No amount of speculation about promotion or faulty "complete starter trinity" logic will do.
Until there is legitimate evidence towards a special possibility such as extensive promotion in the anime, getting special treatment with 2 Megas like Charizard, etc., there is no reason to take the bandwagon seriously.

 

[fogbadge]

wow its been a while since we've had an argument this firey

 

[Guybrush20X6]

wow its been a while since we've had an argument this firey

Ah, the good old days.

 

[Capybara Gaming]

Ah, the good old days.

When girls were girls and men were men, and our old LaSalle ran great.


@GoldenYuiitusin itsin - why isn't Alexandra Roivas shown in the Pre-Brawl category?

 

[TORNADO BUS DRIVER]

When girls were girls and men were men, and our old LaSalle ran great.


@GoldenYuiitusin itsin - why isn't Alexandra Roivas shown in the Pre-Brawl category?

she was removed i think

 

[Capybara Gaming]

she was removed i think

Why's that?