Smash 4 Speculation Chart [WE UPDATE NOW]

[God Robert's Cousin]

YESSSSSSSS

IT'S GLORIOUS

THANK YOU BASED AEM

 

[Vestboy_Myst]

Wario Series

EDIT: Charts Updated 1/15/14

jimmy T would be awesome, even if just as an assist trophy.

 

[AEMehr]

Looks like Viridi has been officially deconfirmed (just as I had suspected from the very beginning!!).

Will update topic later though.

 

[Deleted member]

Great choices and work overall.

Some questions now @Ariand/AEM :

Legend of Zelda Series

Fire Emblem Series

Pre-Smash 64 Series

Pre-Melee Series

Pre-Brawl Series

Pre-Smash Wii U/3DS

- What about Skull Kid and Midna for the Zelda series ?
The former is confirmed as an Assist, and the latter, despite being a one-shot, has still some cameos throughout Nintendo games like Animal Crossing and still can be good Assist material.

- EDIT : I would also suggest Micaiah, one of the few magic users within the cast of the Fire Emblem main characters, and also Tiki and the Black Knight, as they are (sort of) recurrent characters and have connections with their respectives Arcs' stories and legends.
They could be great Assists, if not playables.

- I also think it would be good to give a list of the names of the unrepped series (Where F. Spike and F. Hayabusa come from ?).

 

[Opossum]

(Where F. Spike and F. Hayabusa come from ?).

Some one will (hopefully) correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe Foreman Spike is from Wrecking Crew and Fighter Hayabusa is from ProWrestling.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

Boom, Lucario confirmed. Looks like things are picking up. Good thing we got the lists done.

 

[AEMehr]

mhm

I have completed the updates for the lists, but I am not uploading them until later today due to some technical issues going on with my internet right now.

 

[dimensionsword64]

Where's Vaati?

 

[AEMehr]

Where's Vaati?

Vaati is not considered a very plausible potential character.
Although, Rosalina barely made it on the chart before her reveal. So there's that.

OH ALSO I HAVE THE CHART THINGIESISISISIS
POKÉMON

Changes:
• Lucario has been confirmed!!!!

KID ICARUS

Changes:
• Viridi has been officially DECONFIRMED (sad face).

GRC's GIANT LIST THING

Changes:
• Same as above
• Order now goes by franchise, so it seems more like a bingo board.

 

[God Robert's Cousin]

And thus, the biggest actually plausible roster in existence was created by AEM on this fateful day, January 31st, 2014.

Otherwise known as the roster for SSB19.

 

[AEMehr]

And thus, the biggest actually plausible roster in existence was created by AEM on this fateful day, January 1st, 2014.

Otherwise known as the roster for SSB19.

WE GON GO BACK IN TIEM

 

[God Robert's Cousin]

WE GON GO BACK IN TIEM

WHOOPS

 

[dimensionsword64]

Vaati is not considered a very plausible potential character.

No comment.

 

[Opossum]

No comment.

Honestly, I don't see him as very plausible either. I doubt we'll get a Legend of Zelda newcomer in general, really.

 

[dimensionsword64]

Honestly, I don't see him as very plausible either. I doubt we'll get a Legend of Zelda newcomer in general, really.

http://smashboards.com/threads/the-evil-minish-vaati-is-reborn-for-ssb4-once-again-recent.326232/

 

[Opossum]

Oh look, a Vaati thread.

 

[God Robert's Cousin]

I think Vaati has the credentials, but just isn't commonly requested.

I would have added him over Ghirahim, but meh, between him and a bunch of other Zelda characters to compete with, I think we're fine with not having added him.

inb4 he becomes the next Rosalina

 

[dimensionsword64]

Why in the world is Toon Shiek, a made up character, before Vaati, a unique and recurring character?

 

[Opossum]

Why in the world is Toon Shiek, a made up character, before Vaati, a unique and recurring character?

Because unlike Vaati, Toon Sheik had leftover data in Brawl, despite not technically existing. Not nearly as likely as anyone else on the chart, but Vaati has no such reason. Honestly, I think Vaati's time to shine would have been Brawl.

 

[dimensionsword64]

Because unlike Vaati, Toon Sheik had leftover data in Brawl, despite not technically existing. Not nearly as likely as anyone else on the chart, but Vaati has no such reason. Honestly, I think Vaati's time to shine would have been Brawl.

Four Swords Anniversary Edition.
And if remakes, don't count, then why is Gerudo Valley on the 3DS version instead of the Wii U version?

 

[Opossum]

Four Swords Anniversary Edition.
And if remakes, don't count, then why is Gerudo Valley on the 3DS version instead of the Wii U version?

Not sure why you're bringing that last part up, honestly. Getting a new game doesn't automatically make a character likely, especially if they're not the main focus of said game.

 

[dimensionsword64]

Not sure why you're bringing that last part up, honestly. Getting a new game doesn't automatically make a character likely, especially if they're not the main focus of said game.

He's the main villain. Since when has that been unimportant?

 

[Opossum]

He's the main villain. Since when has that been unimportant?

It hasn't really been important, either. Ganon(dorf) is still the most major villain of the series. I think LoZ has all it needs with its Brawl roster. There are definitely going to be less newcomers this time, so why choose one that fills a secondary villain role, when there are other more popular/iconic/unique choices for newcomers? I just doubt a Zelda newcomer is at all a priority, and if it were, I'd think Tetra or Tingle would be much more likely.

 

[dimensionsword64]

It hasn't really been important, either. Ganon(dorf) is still the most major villain of the series. I think LoZ has all it needs with its Brawl roster. There are definitely going to be less newcomers this time, so why choose one that fills a secondary villain role, when there are other more popular/iconic/unique choices for newcomers? I just doubt a Zelda newcomer is at all a priority, and if it were, I'd think Tetra or Tingle would be much more likely.

Zelda is one of the Big Three. It does need a newcomer.
And Vaati is relevant, unique, and important.

 

[Opossum]

Zelda is one of the Big Three. It does need a newcomer.
And Vaati is relevant, unique, and important.

Being part of the "Big Three" does not matter at all. It doesn't make it more likely to get a newcomer.

And you know who else is relevant, unique and important? Tetra. Tingle, too.

 

[dimensionsword64]

Being part of the "Big Three" does not matter at all. It doesn't make it more likely to get a newcomer.

And you know who else is relevant, unique and important? Tetra. Tingle, too.

Being one of the Big Three means it's one of Nintendo's most important franchises, which means it's likely to get lots of representation in Smash.

Tingle isn't that important and Tetra, I don't really have any arguments against.

 

[Opossum]

Being one of the Big Three means it's one of Nintendo's most important franchises, which means it's likely to get lots of representation in Smash.

Tingle isn't that important and Tetra, I don't really have any arguments against.

Tingle got his own spin-off series. Of course he's important.

And what's stopping it from being the Big Four, or the Big Two? Specifying it as the Big Three is just an arbitrary fan term. And if that were true, why did the Legend of Zelda only have one character in the original Smash Bros., as opposed to Mario and Pokemon's two? The three have never had equal character counts in any Smash game. For Mario, Pokemon and Zelda, respectively, 64 had 2/2/1, Melee had 5/4/5, and Brawl had 4/6/5.

The series really has all it needs, and Vaati's by no means a stand-out choice.

 

[Deleted member]

Are we seriously having an argument over Vaati after we've already put Zelda characters to a vote a few months back?

 

[God Robert's Cousin]

Apparently!

 

[KingofPhantoms]

Yep.

10yeps.

 

[Deleted member]

The Golden True Sole God Entei* demands no further argumentation about it henceforth.

*look at a recent post I made in the Social thread.

 

[Deleted member]

OK. Stop now with that Vaati off-topic discussion and get back to the other questions I've telled above.

 

[Halfhead]

I agree with Vaati's importance.... Sorry.....

 

[Deleted member]

Great choices and work overall.

Some questions now @Ariand/AEM :

- What about Skull Kid and Midna for the Zelda series ?
The former is confirmed as an Assist, and the latter, despite being a one-shot, has still some cameos throughout Nintendo games like Animal Crossing and still can be good Assist material.

- EDIT : I would also suggest Micaiah, one of the few magic users within the cast of the Fire Emblem main characters, and also Tiki and the Black Knight, as they are (sort of) recurrent characters and have connections with their respectives Arcs' stories and legends.
They could be great Assists, if not playables.

- I also think it would be good to give a list of the names of the unrepped series (Where F. Spike and F. Hayabusa come from ?).

I'm not AEM, but since it's my thread, I'll answer.

-Your first part about Skull Kid answers why he's not going to be added to the chart.
He wasn't on the chart when he was revealed as an Assist, and characters that were revealed to be Assists that were not on the chart prior to that will not be added to the chart. Only playable characters that weren't on the chart prior to the reveal (such as Wii Fit Trainer).

-Like how discussing Vaati is pointless due to the Zelda chart being voted upon months prior, discussing Midna is also pointless for the very same reason. She was voted off.
-Same deal with Micaiah. Tiki and Black Knight were never on the chart to begin with, but they were not voted on it.

-The chart is NOT for potential Assists; it's specifically for potential playables. If it were for potential Assists as well, the charts would be twice as big.

-The suggestion for the unrepped series names is too big of a hassle to be frank. I'll see what I can do, though.

 

[Deleted member]

I'm not AEM, but since it's my thread, I'll answer.

-Your first part about Skull Kid answers why he's not going to be added to the chart.
He wasn't on the chart when he was revealed as an Assist, and characters that were revealed to be Assists that were not on the chart prior to that will not be added to the chart. Only playable characters that weren't on the chart prior to the reveal (such as Wii Fit Trainer).

-Like how discussing Vaati is pointless due to the Zelda chart being voted upon months prior, discussing Midna is also pointless for the very same reason. She was voted off.
-Same deal with Micaiah. Tiki and Black Knight were never on the chart to begin with, but they were not voted on it.

-The chart is NOT for potential Assists; it's specifically for potential playables. If it were for potential Assists as well, the charts would be twice as big.

-The suggestion for the unrepped series names is too big of a hassle to be frank. I'll see what I can do, though.

Okay, I understand more now. Thank you for clearing things up.

I've also remarked I was kind of harsh in my previous post. Sorry all for that, it wasn't intentional.

 

[AEMehr]

Oh photobucket...
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahhaahahahahahahahahahahahahahwhydoesthiscontinuetohappen???????

Okay so I guess I'm going to have to reupload this stuff elsewhere, again.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

Wow, all the image hosting sites are getting greedy. Image shack is now 30 days free. Now I have to upload images to my own site to host em.

 

[AEMehr]

Well I uploaded all of the lists onto imgur and sent them to Golden, should be fine on that site for awhile.

Also God Robert's Cousin, you can find your gigantic list thingy here.

 

[God Robert's Cousin]

Okay so I guess I'm going to have to reupload this stuff elsewhere, again.

That's painful...

Also God Robert's Cousin, you can find your gigantic list thingy here.

Thanks budd. Saved it to my desktop in case stuff goes kaputz.

 

[Deleted member]

Front post updated.