Social Smash 4 Social Topic 2.0

[IsmaR]

Noted, haha.

On topic though: The sm4sh iteration of samus is complete fan service...

I can't really be too mad, cause I'm a guy... so that;
but it is a little bit sad that one of the few strong female leads of video gaming history has been perverted into such a sex symbol.

She's getting worse treatment than Lara Croft .

Samus used to stand for women as main roles in gaming and now.. well... google Zero Suit Samus with safe search off.

I say and mean this with no disrespect, but as a female, I think you need to nut the hell up. Nothing has changed save for graphics being updated, and the demographic obviously becoming less subtle about it. The rest of it is how people perceive things, which is saying more about them than about the character herself. One badly written game aside, Samus is still Samus. And you can probably find more safe Zero Suit Samus images than if you searched any other fully clothed female, or even Samus by itself.

 

[Aurane]

Maybe ZZS should wear no shoes and see where it goes. Or we can suck it up and realize it's helping her, haters.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Maybe ZZS should wear no shoes and see where it goes. Or we can suck it up and realize it's helping her, haters.

Wouldn't that fit the old gender stereotype of a woman?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barefoot_and_pregnant

 

[Sehnsucht]

I actually had Moon Shoes at one point. As I recall, they didn't work very well. XD

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

You see, if you put ANYTHING or NOTHING on a woman's feet, someone would view it as sexist

The fact you're focusing so much on her feet in the first place could be considered sexist, and what kind of shoes she's wearing

You know, because woman have a bajillion shoes

 

[Aurane]

Wouldn't that fit the old gender stereotype of a woman?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barefoot_and_pregnant

If you want to view it like that. >_>

You see, if you put ANYTHING or NOTHING on a woman's feet, someone would view it as sexist

The fact you're focusing so much on her feet in the first place could be considered sexist, and what kind of shoes she's wearing

You know, because woman have a bajillion shoes

Maybe we should not give a **** at all and get framed for something else.

There's no grey area.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

I just realized.

Since the update to smashboards changed the amount of posts per page

The second link in my signature no longer goes to the place where it was suppose to...

...

I need to track it down now

 

[Substitution]

 

[Rich Homie Quan]

The only think I'd note is that I'm pretty sure heels are rather uncomfortable for anyone to run in, let alone fight in.

But then again, I don't think Samus is one to care.

 

[ndayday]

The only think I'd note is that I'm pretty sure heels are rather uncomfortable for anyone to run in, let alone fight in.

But then again, I don't think Samus is one to care.

I think maybe we could see them as made up characters

like Greninja fights with his tongue scarf but dude doesn't look like he gives a ****

 

[Rich Homie Quan]

I think maybe we could see them as made up characters

like Greninja fights with his tongue scarf but dude doesn't look like he gives a ****

Hah, you raise a good point brother. I seemed to have exhausted my interest on this little issue after I went to the great lengths to post something about it. They are just characters indeed.

 

[MSmariosonic]

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

There is a lake in the park next to my home and I just got back from circling it twice on my long board

I'm exhausted.

I've been spending an hour every sunny day at the park walking or boarding, trying to get back in shape

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Meanwhile, Swampasaur laughs as his trolling is... Super effective!

I wasn't trolling.

 

[Substitution]

I wasn't trolling.

Well, that depends on who you ask.

 

[Pazzo.]

There is a lake in the park next to my home and I just got back from circling it twice on my long board

I'm exhausted.

I've been spending an hour every sunny day at the park walking or boarding, trying to get back in shape

Wii Fit Psycho?

 

[Starcutter]

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context?


because I'm all WAT

 

[Dr. James Rustles]

I think maybe we could see them as made up characters

like Greninja fights with his tongue scarf but dude doesn't look like he gives a ****

I know what you are trying to say and that the characters exist on a fictional premises to begin with (it's true they get to be whatever the author damn well wants them to be), but they still have a lot of context that governs what they would and would not care about. Greninja's tongue scarf is part of his biology, and Samus hails from a sci-fi setting, a genre that usually tries to balance utility and practicality (as opposed to utility over practicality, like Harry Potter.)

 

[SuperMii3D]

2 Electric attacks on a moveset? And 3/4 all dedicated to 1 attack? An electric attack at that, which is completely shot down by just having the opponent use a ground pokemon

Not to mention NO ONE who learns nuzzle is going to survive long enough to pull off all 3

Eh, forget Agility, and give him two other moves. I gave mine Brick Break and Signal Beam, along with Thunder Wave (Now Nuzzle) and Electro ball, while super training the speed

 

[The Original Robot boy]

Is that it?

i know i'm reaaaaally late on this but i love that video ever so

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

I know what you are trying to say and that the characters exist on a fictional premises to begin with (it's true they get to be whatever the author damn well wants them to be), but they still have a lot of context that governs what they would and would not care about. Greninja's tongue scarf is part of his biology, and Samus hails from a sci-fi setting, a genre that usually tries to balance utility and practicality (as opposed to utility over practicality, like Harry Potter.)

Samus is more from a sci fi Fantasy rather than just sci fi.

 

[Superyoshiom]

Samus is more from a sci fi Fantasy rather than just sci fi.

I honestly can't tell the difference between the two...

 

[Second Power]

Kind of random, but just realized that 6 slots is perfect for pokemon to have. No cookie for guessing the reason.

 

[Pazzo.]

IT'S HAPPENING!!!! XD

Kind of random, but just realized that 6 slots is perfect for pokemon to have. No cookie for guessing the reason.

Because 6 is divisible by 3, 2 and 1?

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

Because 6 is divisible by 3, 2 and 1?

I realize this is probably a joke, but it's because a Pokemon team has 6 members, I think.

 

[PKNinja95]

Was playing Brawl online and some little dork was spamming Thunder with Pika. Wrecked him in Sudden Death

 

[Substitution]

Was playing Brawl online and some little dork was spamming Thunder with Pika. Wrecked him in Sudden Death

Wait, you're not supposed to do that?!
What have I been doing with my life?!

 

[Sehnsucht]

I honestly can't tell the difference between the two...

I would classify Science Fantasy as being a degree of science realism removed from Soft Science Fiction (which is in turn a degree removed from Hard Science Fiction).

Hard Sci-Fi seeks to remain as true as possible to known scientific understanding and principles, or uses such an understanding as the basis for speculation or extrapolation (hence "hard"). Soft Sci-Fi still operates within the realm of the scientifically feasible, though it takes much more liberties with actual scientific understanding (so it's often closer to pseudoscience). It is less concerned with "hard sciences", like physics or engineering or chemistry, and may focus more on sociology, psychology, and so forth.

Science Fantasy, as opposed to the former two, melds elements of Sci-Fi and Fantasy together, and is thus less bound by the limits of science realism than Soft Sci-Fi. It may liberally combine elements of science and magic.

An example of the distinction between subgenres would look like this:

Hard Sci-Fi > Soft Sci-Fi > Science Fantasy = Primer*** > Star Trek > Final Fantasy

With all of the above in consideration, Metroid strikes me as Soft Sci-Fi, since it uses the concept of scientific laws, principles, and so forth as a basis for the laws of its fictional universe; however, those laws, while inspired by science, may not be scientifically viable in actuality (e.g. Chozo technology, Power Suits, Morph Balls, etc.). However, it doesn't really implement elements of the Fantasy genre into its world or stories.

***Primer is an indie film known for its hard sci-fi approach to time-travel. Since the story stays close to the realm of science realism, it can qualify as an example of a hard sci-fi movie (and the film was written by a mathematician, which further reinforces the hard science approach).

 

[Arcanir]

Wait, you're not supposed to do that?!
What have I been doing with my life?!

Being a decoy for damage?

 

[Dr. James Rustles]

An example of the distinction between subgenres would look like this:

Hard Sci-Fi > Soft Sci-Fi > Science Fantasy = Primer*** > Star Trek > Final Fantasy

With all of the above in consideration, Metroid strikes me as Soft Sci-Fi, since it uses the concept of scientific laws, principles, and so forth as a basis for the laws of its fictional universe; however, those laws, while inspired by science, may not be scientifically viable in actuality (e.g. Chozo technology, Power Suits, Morph Balls, etc.). However, it doesn't really implement elements of the Fantasy genre into its world or stories.

***Primer is an indie film known for its hard sci-fi approach to time-travel. Since the story stays close to the realm of science realism, it can qualify as an example of a hard sci-fi movie (and the film was written by a mathematician, which further reinforces the hard science approach).

Very precise analysis. I think an even better example of Science Fantasy would be the Chrono Trigger series, especially the final acts of Chrono Cross.

Also, Metroid does contain a few elements of Fantasy, particularly the Ghost Ship (though it may be the strange biology of the boss creature) and also the Chozo Ghosts, psychotic from Phazon exposure, that appear in Metroid Prime. The term ghost may be just a poetic description as there aren't a lot of details as to what happened with the Chozo and the ghosts are described as spectral creatures whose material substance doesn't reflect light and have to be detected via other electromagnetic radiations (similar to how some Muslims have speculated that real-life, phsyical Djinn could be detected using other mediums such infrared...)

 

[Substitution]

Being a decoy for damage?

Well, that.
And playing Pikachu all wrong! Till now.
I shall change my ways! And be the best there ever was!

 

[Sehnsucht]

Very precise analysis. I think an even better example of Science Fantasy would be the Chrono Trigger series, especially the final acts of Chrono Cross.

Also, Metroid does contain a few elements of Fantasy, particularly the Ghost Ship (though it may be the strange biology of the boss creature) and also the Chozo Ghosts, psychotic from Phazon exposure, that appear in Metroid Prime. The term ghost may be just a poetic description as there aren't a lot of details as to what happened with the Chozo and the ghosts are described as spectral creatures whose material substance doesn't reflect light and have to be detected via other electromagnetic radiations (similar to how some Muslims have speculated that real-life, phsyical Djinn could be detected using other mediums such infrared...)

I'm not familiar with the Chrono series, but I'm sure there are plenty of examples that fit the Science Fantasy bill.

As for the Chozo Ghosts, that would depend on their actual nature. If their basis is in (pseudo)science, then they would be closer to science realism than if they were actual ghosts, as per the colloquial definition of the term (i.e. manifestations of supernatural origin or nature).

Then again, I don't think ghosts or spirits are necessarily Fantasy-specific elements. So the presence of spectral beings in the Metroid universe is thereby not necessarily indicative of Fantasy (and therefore, Science Fantasy) elements. But I suppose this isn't all too important a matter to begin with.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Not entirely sure on a character. But with both a stage and an item, it's getting a decent amount of representation. Maybe the series will get an assist too. But I'd be fine if it had a full character too, provided they were interesting enough. Also I've got to say, the Rocket Belt looks like the coolest item that's going to show up in Smash 4.

Unfortunately no. Every stage HAS to have it's own icon regardless of the amount of content it has in the game. So it would exist even without the rocket belt. And since the rocket belt is an item, there is no longer any reason to anticipate a Pilot Wings character.

 

[Mysteltainn]

Was playing Brawl online and some little dork was spamming Thunder with Pika. Wrecked him in Sudden Death

I like using Ness against these types of people.

Well, that.
And playing Pikachu all wrong! Till now.
I shall change my ways! And be the best there ever was!

It'll be a long process, but we have confidence in you.

 

[UltimateCyborgOverlord]

I'm not familiar with the Chrono series

I liked Chrono Trigger the best. The Akira Toriyama character designs/artwork is really what drew me in. Turned out the game was absolutely amazing! Especially for it's 90s era time it was released. Alternate endings (galore) and actually a fairly sizeable story in terms of length, it's still a blast to play to this day. Chrono Cross... ehhh... I don't think it's terrible but it definitely isn't up to snuff with Trigger.

Trigger though... the artwork pulled me in, the game itself made me stay.

 

[PKNinja95]

I like using Ness against these types of people.

It'll be a long process, but we have confidence in you.

I was using Lucas hahaha.

 

[The Original Robot boy]

I realize this is probably a joke, but it's because a Pokemon team has 6 members, I think.

i don't think he do that but then again we now have 6 mario bros representative characters so anything is possible maybe even tetra ooooh man if tetra is announce i put on my onion face

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Someone post this "Pac Man in the coulds" thing everyone is talking about

Are you sure it's not Ridley in those clouds?

 

[The Original Robot boy]

Someone post this "Pac Man in the coulds" thing everyone is talking about

Are you sure it's not Ridley in those clouds?

you mean in the greninja announcement trailer?

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

i don't think he do that but then again we now have 6 mario bros representative characters

No, we have 5 Mario representatives. Who's the sixth?