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Bout time.Here's a picture to break the mold.
Oh wait...I ran out of pictures.
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Bout time.Here's a picture to break the mold.
Oh wait...I ran out of pictures.
Then explain SEGA with Sawnik, Jet Set Radio, and the rest of their IP's. (*cough* *cough* Amy *cough*)Actually, I've heard plenty of complaints about it. But not all of Nintendo's females are so stereotypically feminine (see: Samus), so Nintendo gets less flak about it.
I've **** myself laughing and crying when seeing this. XDJust kidding...
Also Sonic isn't really the kind of character you can say "Oh we almost completed it but yeah, **** it we're putting him in next time.".I personally find the idea of Sonic being added in Melee highly doubtful. For one, Sega was still in the console business at that time. I don't see why they would allow Sonic to appear on a rival platform.
I agree with the fun part, but they both highly deserve a spot. Ness was first, so I think he should get first pick. I wouldn't ever remove either, but if one had to go, it wouldn't be the original 12 member.I really want Lucas to be in, I'm sorry, and a ton of people will disagree with me on this. Lucas deserves a spot more than Ness, sure Ness is more recognized by Western countries, but Lucas as a character is better. He's more relatable, and that makes his emotional bond with the player stronger. Also, he is more fun to play as in Brawl.
Well, the official reason was still "not enough time" regardless. There's no way to tell if he had a fair chance if time wasn't an issue. The problem is, he had no Nintendo appearances before Melee, right? I think that's why Sakurai would've said no. Before somebody notes Roy, he's a Nintendo character, so just like Giga Bowser or other originals, they are exceptions in that case.I personally find the idea of Sonic being added in Melee highly doubtful. For one, Sega was still in the console business at that time. I don't see why they would allow Sonic to appear on a rival platform.
Eh, I'm not sure what criticism SEGA's gotten, actually. Nothing huge, from what I understand.Then explain SEGA with Sawnik, Jet Set Radio, and the rest of their IP's. (*cough* *cough* Amy *cough*)
Well, actually, the SEGA reconstructing to a third party company happened during the first quarter of 2001 while games like Sonic Adventure 1: Battle and Sonic Advance were released sometime during the first financial year. So it would of been more viable then you think.I personally find the idea of Sonic being added in Melee highly doubtful. For one, Sega was still in the console business at that time. I don't see why they would allow Sonic to appear on a rival platform.
Ditto.Well, actually, the SEGA reconstructing to a third party company happened during the first quarter of 2001 while games like Sonic Adventure 1: Battle and Sonic Advance were released sometime during the first financial year. So it would of been more viable then you think.
...Only if they sing.Ditto.
Also, is it just my incredible bias as Espio being my favorite Sonic character, or would Team Chaotix be an AWESOME Assist Trophy?
And if Mighty the Armadillo is confirmed for Sonic Boom....Only if they sing.
I don't mean to be rude or anything, but I'm kinda starting to think you're biased because you're a hardcore Snake supporter.Sonic was never planned for Melee, though he may have been asked for. If he were planned for Melee, then why on earth would Sakurai say "well, let's not add him to Brawl," then turn around at the end of development and decide to add him anyway, at the cost of a delay and the loss of characters? He got in on pure fan demand.
The Nintendo fanbase would explode from anger.I really would like to see Nintendo working with Sony on a game. But there's a chance of 1 in a 10.000 that will happen.
Correction, only the try hard fanboys will explode from anger.The Nintendo fanbase would explode from anger.
This is true but they are sadly the vocal majority.Correction, only the try hard fanboys will explode from anger.
That's why I said 1 in a 10.000.Nintendo cooperating with Sony? That ain't happening. Maybe if Sony became third party it could happen, but I honestly see Nintendo buying up SEGA before that happens.
The guy who thinks Sonic deserves a second character is going to throw around the word bias? Ok, I'll bite. I have played a single MGS game in my life, and it's the newest one, Ground Zeroes. I had no experience with MGS before Brawl, and I still don't care to try out the older games much. I must ask though, what Snake even has to do with the topic in the first place?I don't mean to be rude or anything, but I'm kinda starting to think you're biased because you're a hardcore Snake supporter.
"Was planned," his name sure doesn't look like Masahiro Sakurai, I'm sure there may have been negotiations, but with third party characters you don't plan them and then cut them due to time constraints. Even if Sakurai had the idea of Sonic, nothing concrete ever happened so the original point still stands, he only got into Brawl due to fan demand. You know what else "was planned?" The Playstation was originally an addon for the Super Nintendo before Nintendo decided they didn't like their deal with Sony and went to Phillips instead. That deal fell through too and only ended in Hotel Mario and Zelda CDi, meanwhile Sony went on to make the Playstation its own console. The point I'm making? Planning something and doing something are worlds apart, a thought does not equal an action.For one thing, as I've said about an hour ago, Yuji Naka said himself in that interview that Sonic was planned for Melee, but was excluded due to time constraints just like Snake.
Opinions are not facts. I saw what you posted and you didn't even get a source, but I happened to track it down and the interview is credible, but that's all it is, an interview. The cold hard facts are that A: Sonic was not in Melee and never made it past the "it's possible" stage, and B: Sonic was not planned for Brawl, and was only added late into development because Sakurai saw the massive amount of fans crying out for his inclusion. Did Sega and Nintendo negotiating beforehand help? Yes, but that didn't get Sonic in, otherwise he would have been planned from the beginning. It only made it easier for Sakurai to add him once he decided to.To answer your question, the only thing that made Sonic making it to Brawl take so long was that when Sakurai returned to SEGA about Sonic, Naka had been replaced. Fan desire alone was not enough, Naka started it when he asked Sakurai to put Sonic in Melee, not the fans. All the fans ever did was buy into it. If you look back a page, I've quoted information from an interview done of Yuji Naka. Again, I'm not trying to discredit you in any way, I'm just stating the facts.
The guy who thinks Sonic deserves a second character is going to throw around the word bias? Ok, I'll bite. I have played a single MGS game in my life, and it's the newest one, Ground Zeroes. I had no experience with MGS before Brawl, and I still don't care to try out the older games much. I must ask though, what Snake even has to do with the topic in the first place?
Not to Sakurai, Ness was supposed to be cut in favor of Lucas in Melee and I believe he had higher priority than Ness in BrawlI agree with the fun part, but they both highly deserve a spot. Ness was first, so I think he should get first pick. I wouldn't ever remove either, but if one had to go, it wouldn't be the original 12 member.
And I dunno, the fact Ness is more recognizable among the entire world... never mind Earthbound is playable everywhere compared to Mother 3, which is not, wouldn't that make Ness a bit more relateable? Realistically speaking?
Well, the official reason was still "not enough time" regardless. There's no way to tell if he had a fair chance if time wasn't an issue. The problem is, he had no Nintendo appearances before Melee, right? I think that's why Sakurai would've said no. Before somebody notes Roy, he's a Nintendo character, so just like Giga Bowser or other originals, they are exceptions in that case.
Well, he didn't have the higher priority exactly.Not to Sakurai, Ness was supposed to be cut in favor of Lucas in Melee and I believe he had higher priority than Ness in Brawl
The other Square-Enix reps are very good and strong characters. I'm sure Dragon Quest is one that Square would like to push for if they were approached. If Sakurai approached for Geno because of popularity, then I could see them asking for DQ instead.About the Geno discussion: Geno would have to force his way through the crowd of more prominent Square-Enix characters as well, where Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest are DEFINITELY bigger and more recognizable, especially Dragon Quest on the Nintendo side.
Fair enough. Everyone has characters they are adamant for and those that they couldn't care less about. Just personal preference. Not a personal attack. Though, most forum-goers will take characters too personal.I don't want to sound rude or somethin'. And it's just my opinion. But...I don't see Geno happening in SSB4.
Just remember that the games have a habit torturing your sense of disbelief.Yeah dude, the MGS games are fantastic. Play them.
If you're playing a video game, you shouldn't have a problem with that.Just remember that the games have a habit torturing your sense of disbelief.
Most blunt with Metal Gear Solid 2.
I only happen to think that way mainly because of Nintendo's close ties with SEGA, but I'd be fine either if we do get one or not.@ Jason the Yoshi
Regardless of if you've "not talked about it all day," you once said that Sonic deserves a second character (and that it's even likely, of all things). I don't care much since I've see so many stupid requests already, but I'm not about to let you try and play the biased card on me with something like that on you already.
Mother 3 did take off in Japan though, besides Earthbound not selling well in Western Areas the reason it did not come to the U.S. Is because it had characters that were portrayed as transgender males, and a satire of consumerism.Well, he didn't have the higher priority exactly.
His team convinced him not to bother and Mother 3 didn't take off yet. Meaning that even if Mother 3 happened, we may not have gotten Lucas. Also, supposedly Ganondorf was the last clone added, so we might've gotten Lucas as a secondary character instead.
You misunderstand. The Mother 3 that was happening during Melee's time was Earthbound 64. That game got cancelled. We got the new Mother 3, via the GBA, way later.Mother 3 did take off in Japan though, besides Earthbound not selling well in Western Areas the reason it did not come to the U.S. Is because it had characters that were portrayed as transgender males, and a satire of consumerism.
You seem to have no idea whatsoever how business works, Nintendo and Sega aren't "close," they aren't buddies who just go up and say "hey, can we use Sonic/Mario in this game?" As companies, they do whatever they can do to make money, which is the reason Sakurai can't just add third parties just because he feels like it, Nintendo has to pay Sega to use Sonic, Sega makes a very small margin of profit from each copy of Brawl sold. Companies work together when it's of mutual benefit to both parties, this is why some deals end up broken (ie; Sony and Nintendo's fallout) and some companies end up bought out or merge together.I only happen to think that way mainly because of Nintendo's close ties with SEGA, but I'd be fine either if we do get one or not.
That was IMPOSSIBLE to achieve.All this "Sonic in Melee" talk remind me of this:
And all that "defeat *insert number* of fighting wire frames in multi man melee to unlock Sonic!" rumors.
Yup, I'll never forget.Also, how can we all forget about those toad rumors?
That has little to do with how Third-Parties are selected, though.I only happen to think that way mainly because of Nintendo's close ties with SEGA, but I'd be fine either if we do get one or not.
Imagine if Toad was in Melee. We'd have 6 Mario characters. I don't even think SSB4 will have that many.
While this is a good point, the part about Mario being too expensive was actually a joke. Rich Moore could not find a good way to incorporate the bros into the movie, and he was apparently cut with luigi. They are set to appear in Wreck it Ralph 2, however.A good example of this is Wreck-it-Ralph, Mario didn't appear in the movie because Nintendo's price was too high for even Disney to pay for his appearance alone, Bowser on the other hand, was far cheaper. Sonic had a "bigger role" in that movie (and his heavy appearance in the promotional material), because Sega has basically been whoring him out to stay afloat, with him appearing in anything they can let him appear in to make money from, even Progressive commercials. Even if Sega's price is cheap, Sakurai isn't going to go through the trouble of a second Sonic character in a game of Nintendo all-stars, as even Sonic has no place there.
Yeah, Prof. Layton is 3rd party. I do see Layton being the most likely 3rd party atm besides Pac-Man.
There is no "likely" for third parties, they either get in by heavy request (Sonic and Mega Man), or by direct request of the creator (Snake). Sakurai doesn't sit around looking at third party candidates, he only gets a whiff of them from polls. While Layton is a decently large series that are solely on Nintendo consoles, it's still a rather niche game with just a cult fanbase. Unless they all suddenly get really vocal and somehow coheres others into wanting him, he doesn't really have a chance.The entire post above you.