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[Muster]

Yeah, still not buying it. Severe lack of proof, just speculation. I find this entirely unprovable. Until Sakurai actually says it, I'm not buying it. I do buy those 3 were not meant to be important to the SSE. Also, Sakurai outright saying "The roster was already finished" just furthers goes with my point. He scrapped the Forbidden 7 due to time constraints(except Dixie which was due to being unable to code properly) and that was it.

In addition, that's not proof, just purely speculation, as noted before. I don't find the order of coding to really make hack here. That's just the order they went with. By that logic, he indefinitely was never going to insert Tetra in the game instead of Toon Sheik, who's in the data. And keep in mind I believe he meant Toon Sheik, but I at least admit that he could've changed his mind. You're putting a bit too much into this; It's possible, but not confirmable.

I want to see the characters were all planned quote you keep mentioning, because it contradicts the existence of the forbidden seven and the low priority characters that the data puts forth. Nevermind, found it.
[collapse=little tidbit i found]
"To prevent this master plan from becoming a problem in the long run, Sakurai's design was constructed with the goal of trying to include as much of it as possible within the allotted time. In that way, late cuts could be made without sacrificing the production schedule." [/collapse]
This part of the article supports my argument. When planning the roster Sakurai could've easily made 10 stretch goal characters that didn't matter much in the long run, and only met 3 of them due to sanic.
All i'm drawing from this is that jigglypuff was announced late due to low priority, and not for some special reason. It isn't far fetched by any means of the imagination, considering she pretty much comes close to last in almost everything brawl related.

And, as previously mentioned again, This. Isn't. Brawl.

 

[Fatmanonice]

Wait, you mean.
If Sonic never appeared, Dr. Mario would've been in?!
...

Sonic strikes me as a character that Sakurai was strong armed into putting into Smash. Around E3 2007 he probably realized "oh crap... if I don't put him in Brawl, his fans will probably quite literally come and try to kill me in my sleep." I don't even think he likes Sonic all that much.

 

[Substitution]

Sonic strikes me as a character that Sakurai was strong armed into putting into Smash. Around E3 2007 he probably realized "oh crap... if I don't put him in Brawl, his fans will probably quite literally come and try to kill me in my sleep." I don't even think he likes Sonic all that much.

Would explain him being "meh" in Brawl...

 

[Muster]

Sonic strikes me as a character that Sakurai was strong armed into putting into Smash. Around E3 2007 he probably realized "oh crap... if I don't put him in Brawl, his fans will probably quite literally come and try to kill me in my sleep." I don't even think he likes Sonic all that much.

I just imagined that Sonic getting in was like what happened to snake in melee. The 3rd party in question came to Sakurai late in development and said "hey dude i think my character would be great in smash you should put him in" For snake Sakurai thought it was a bit too late.
But when sega came he checked the popularity polls and thought, "**** i have to put him in don't i" and then he made half of sonic's moves spinning to save time.
The end

 

[Moon Monkey]

Source: http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/03/03/man-stabbed-with-amaster-sworda-in-domestic-dispute
http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/03/03/man-stabbed-with-amaster-sworda-in-domestic-dispute

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I want to see the characters were all planned quote you keep mentioning, because it contradicts the existence of the forbidden seven and the low priority characters that the data puts forth.
All i'm drawing from this is that jigglypuff was announced late due to low priority, and not for some special reason. It isn't far fetched by any means of the imagination, considering she pretty much comes close to last in almost everything brawl related.

No, it's pretty far fetched to assume that the file order means jack. Most of the files are in alphabetical order.

I'll find the quote, but he did say it. Or somebody else will. Also, read my edit, please, of that post. You lack proof, I refuse to believe this is exactly what happened, and you'll never be able to confirm that's what happened. Unless Sakurai outright says it. I've told multiple people before, there is zero ways to prove what the priority was. The only things we know officially is that Villager was not going to be in since Sakurai outright said(at that time) that he is unable to properly fight, that he couldn't put everyone in with Sonic in(that's actual priority that's provable, Sonic was more important than the other Forbidden 7), and that is entirely it.

And, as previously mentioned again, This. Isn't. Brawl.

Like that's relevant? Sakurai will show characters in what order he chooses, and there is zero patterns. Just get over it already. You are clearly not getting the point by now. What I said was "Lucario, a newcomer, was shown before Jigglypuff, a veteran." Why do you think priorities matter? All it means is he can show newcomers before veterans or vice versa. He has no pattern. Stop trying to misinterpret my point or spread crap that doesn't matter. I'll tell you again, Jigglypuff's priority is 100% irrelevant to the actual point being portrayed. So stop relating it to what I said. -_-

 

[Pacack]

Jigglypuff very easily could have been a special case due to being low priority. That said, Lucas before Ness happened.

 

[Muster]

No, it's pretty far fetched to assume that the file order means jack. Most of the files are in alphabetical order.

I'll find the quote, but he did say it. Or somebody else will. Also, read my edit, please, of that post. You lack proof, I refuse to believe this is exactly what happened, and you'll never be able to confirm that's what happened. Unless Sakurai outright says it. I've told multiple people before, there is zero ways to prove what the priority was. The only things we know officially is that Villager was not going to be in since Sakurai outright said(at that time) that he is unable to properly fight, that he couldn't put everyone in with Sonic in(that's actual priority that's provable, Sonic was more important than the other Forbidden 7), and that is entirely it.


Like that's relevant? Sakurai will show characters in what order he chooses, and there is zero patterns. Just get over it already. You are clearly not getting the point by now. What I said was "Lucario, a newcomer, was shown before Jigglypuff, a veteran." Why do you think priorities matter? All it means is he can show newcomers before veterans or vice versa. He has no pattern. Stop trying to misinterpret my point or spread crap that doesn't matter. I'll tell you again, Jigglypuff's priority is 100% irrelevant to the actual point being portrayed. So stop relating it to what I said. -_-

Jigglypuff very easily could have been a special case due to being low priority.

This is pretty much the point i'm getting at. Jigglypuff was announced later due to being low priority, and that's it.
Like i said in my edited post, i found the article, even though in it Sakurai never says anything against priority. This tidbit in particular supports my argument.
[collapse=this tidbit]
"To prevent this master plan from becoming a problem in the long run, Sakurai's design was constructed with the goal of trying to include as much of it as possible within the allotted time. In that way, late cuts could be made without sacrificing the production schedule."
[/collapse]
Sakurai obviously isn't going to work on a character like bowser or Ness later in production, So 10 stretch characters that it would be safe to cut are a logical and safe thing to do. If you still don't think this is substantial enough, that's fine. But i'm not changing my mindset because nothing you
Also, The point that this isn't brawl has everything to do with this. Brawl was a completely different game with a different set of announcements, while my theory only applies to announcements in sm4sh.

 

[Substitution]

Sakurai obviously isn't going to work on a character like bowser or Ness later in production, So 10 stretch characters that it would be safe to cut are a logical and safe thing to do. If you still don't think this is substantial enough, that's fine. But i'm not changing my mindset because nothing you have said has provided a substantial reason to.

But then here's what I ask (being neutral here).
Of the ten, why did Toon Link, Jiggs, and Wolf stay?

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

Pokemon's fanbase in a nutshell. Sad, but true.

 

[Substitution]

Pokemon's fanbase in a nutshell. Sad, but true.

I would question.
But it's the internet...

 

[Muster]

But then here's what I ask (being neutral here).
Of the ten, why did Toon Link, Jiggs, and Wolf stay?

I honestly do not know. From what i can tell, They were on top of the list for various reason, with jiggs coming first, toon link second and wolf third; but for all we know, The characters were chosen at random and in some alternate dimension the last 3 characters we get are Roy, Mewtwo and Dixie kong.

Pokemon's fanbase in a nutshell. Sad, but true.

Yes.

 

[Pacack]

But then here's what I ask (being neutral here).
Of the ten, why did Toon Link, Jiggs, and Wolf stay?

-Toon Link because he's basically just a different version of a veteran, and because he's a clone, so easy to implement.
-64 veteran.
-Space animals were popular in Melee, and he's a semi-clone, so he's a bit easier to implement than other potential newcomers.

 

[Substitution]

Yes.

I'm telling you.
The Internet is messed up. But that's why we love it...

 

[True Blue Warrior]

Speaking of Jigglypuff, what were your reactions back then when you found out Jiggs ended up being prioritised over Mewtwto?

 

[Substitution]

-Toon Link because he's basically just a different version of a veteran, and because he's a clone, so easy to implement.
-64 veteran.
-Space animals were popular in Melee, and he's a semi-clone, so he's a bit easier to implement than other potential newcomers.

But like I've said.
Mewtwo, Roy, and Dixie Kong had their own big fanbase.
So why weren't they in? Why pick the former?

 

[Luigi#1]

Speaking of Jigglypuff, what were your reactions back then when you found out Jiggs ended up being prioritised over Mewtwto?

Not surprised. 64 vet.

 

[Muster]

Speaking of Jigglypuff, what were your reactions back then when you found out Jiggs ended up being prioritised over Mewtwto?

Overall it was bittersweet, I think Sakurai felt bad for Mewtwo supporters so he nerfed Jiggs to the point where she basically inherited his tier position.

But like I've said.
Mewtwo, Roy, and Dixie Kong had their own big fanbase.
So why weren't they in? Why pick the former?

I'm thinking jigglypuff took priority due to seniority, while Toon link and Wolf were "new" characters that inherited large parts of other characters movesets and directly took their final smashes so they were less effort to work on. That itself is speculation, we cannot be sure considering Sakurai.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

But like I've said.
Mewtwo, Roy, and Dixie Kong had their own big fanbase.
So why weren't they in? Why pick the former?

Obviously Jiggs is way more important a character than Metwtwo

 

[Substitution]

Obviously Jiggs is way more important a character than Metwtwo

Apparently so...

 

[The Original Robot boy]

Source: http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/03/03/man-stabbed-with-amaster-sworda-in-domestic-dispute

No rupees in the flower pot?

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Speaking of Jigglypuff, what were your reactions back then when you found out Jiggs ended up being prioritised over Mewtwto?

Mewtwo was out-prioritized twice. No surprise.

This is pretty much the point i'm getting at. Jigglypuff was announced later due to being low priority, and that's it.
Like i said in my edited post, i found the article, even though in it Sakurai never says anything against priority. This tidbit in particular supports my argument.
[collapse=this tidbit]
"To prevent this master plan from becoming a problem in the long run, Sakurai's design was constructed with the goal of trying to include as much of it as possible within the allotted time. In that way, late cuts could be made without sacrificing the production schedule."
[/collapse]
Sakurai obviously isn't going to work on a character like bowser or Ness later in production, So 10 stretch characters that it would be safe to cut are a logical and safe thing to do. If you still don't think this is substantial enough, that's fine. But i'm not changing my mindset because nothing you
Also, The point that this isn't brawl has everything to do with this. Brawl was a completely different game with a different set of announcements, while my theory only applies to announcements in sm4sh.

And I'm telling you you have zero proof that low priority was the reason.(you can say that for SSE, but nothing else)

https://www.nintendoworldreport.com/news/15390/sakurai-speaks-on-brawl-character-development Here's the post, by the way. He does say the roster was finalized... 2.5 years before the game finished. Well before Sonic was added. So yeah, no, Jigglypuff was likely high priority and everybody else was too. SSE excluded. The thing is, what would Jigglpuff, Toon Link, and Wolf bring to the SSE? Last one is slightly possible for something. And maybe Wolf was added last minute, but the rest? Doubt it. Dixie was worked on and clearly high priority, but once Sonic was added, he gave up since her style didn't work with Diddy. Now, we don't know that's how it happened exactly either. It's a fair guess.

For the record, if you're still trying to convince me Jigglypuff was ever low priority, I suggest you stop. You're lacking in any legitimate proof and using very bad evidence. Take away Sonic, and you might notice something; All of those characters were planned. Those were the ones likely planned originally. So was Villager, remember? He never worked on him and went "no" till SSB4. Imagine that. What that tells me is you can't possibly know his priorities here. At all. It's just not possible. -_- At least till he outright says it. The information is beyond conflicting now. If Villager was impossible priority, why change his mind? What would happen if Mewtwo was not in SSB4 and Jigglypuff is? The only priorities we know is what character got in over another, which is a legitimate thing to say. It's actually provable too. But you can't prove Jigglypuff was low priority at all. Reveal order is meaningless. File order is meaningless. Sakurai saying "these characters were low priority" is meaningful. You lack proof, and your evidence is completely iffy.

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

Wait, you mean.
If Sonic never appeared, Dr. Mario would've been in?!
...

**** Sonic, Robotnik for Smash! If anyone disagrees, they are going to get a pingas in their pushy.

 

[The Original Robot boy]

Wait sakurai isn't going to work on ness? D:

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

Obviously Jiggs is way more important a character than Metwtwo

Yeah, she is. She's a 64 veteran.

Mind, I think we're gonna get both this time around.

 

[Muster]

For the record, if you're still trying to convince me Jigglypuff was ever low priority, I suggest you stop. You're lacking in any legitimate proof and using very bad evidence. Take away Sonic, and you might notice something; All of those characters were planned. Those were the ones likely planned originally. So was Villager, remember? He never worked on him and went "no" till SSB4. Imagine that. What that tells me is you can't possibly know his priorities here. At all. It's just not possible. -_- At least till he outright says it. The information is beyond conflicting now. If Villager was impossible priority, why change his mind? What would happen if Mewtwo was not in SSB4 and Jigglypuff is? The only priorities we know is what character got in over another, which is a legitimate thing to say. It's actually provable too. But you can't prove Jigglypuff was low priority at all. Reveal order is meaningless. File order is meaningless. Sakurai saying "these characters were low priority" is meaningful. You lack proof, and your evidence is completely iffy.

My evidence being the game data is enough for me. Sakurai saying the villager not being fit for brawl and him being a fighter in brawl would've been contradictory, would you believe Sakurai even though the villager is in the game because him being in the game is "iffy" evidence? this is why your logic is flawed.
If 10 characters are out of place with the rest of the cast then there's not else it can mean, especially when only 3 of the characters are finished, and those 3 characters are basically kirby with hair, Small cartoon link, and gray space animal.
You seemed to completely ignore my point regarding the article which i ended up finding anyway. That point is that Sakurai never said that every character in the roster would made it. He said "the design was constructed with the goal of trying to include as much of it as possible within the allotted time. In that way, late cuts could be made without sacrificing the production schedule." Late cuts= they had too low priority, this not only proves that low priority characters existed, but that Sakurai did his best to include as many of them as possible.

There's no evidence pointing to anyone outside of the forbidden seven and the last 3 characters NOT being the low priority characters, and the "iffy" evidence you keep doubting is in the game itself. People can contradict themselves, while the games are the end of all decisions and changes of mind made by the developer, making the game itself the most concrete evidence.

(I apologize to anyone with troubles reading this, i am a scatterbrained poster, and while i do know the validity of my point, i can't necessarily argue it well.)

tl;dr- Jiggs was shown last because she was late priority and unlockable, not because there isn't a pattern. My theory for sm4sh is that all series veterans are revealed before newcomer reveal, and HyperFalcon thinks it is wrong because of jiggs lucario reveal for some reason.
Jigglypuff for sm4sh

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Your evidence is terrible. I'm done.

The only ones legitimately low priority were Villager, and the Forbidden 7. There is no Forbidden 10 bro. The ones who made it in have high priority, as for who had the highest and lowest among the 39 playables, nobody but Sakurai legitimately knows, and that's it.

No, I disagree with your theory since we have yet to see that happen. It'll be right once everything is finished being revealed. It's a decent theory, but you can't prove it just because "it's currently right". Jigglypuff is not provable of late priority. She was already in all previous versions.She was high priority by default at best. But it's not like either of us can prove what her priority is, so why bother stating it?

Oh, fyi? I don't really care what her priority was because I know for a fact we can't prove what it was. What I disagree with is that your theory is ironcald. It's a decent theory, and the past shows that the theory isn't ironclad. He may reveal newcomers before veterans. If you're trying to get anything else out of my point, then you're fishing for stuff that shouldn't be cared about.

If you were trying for a separate point on priority, fair enough. Irrelevant to what I originally said, but fine. I expect you to respect that I don't believe any specific priority beyond "Sonic outprioritized the Forbidden 7 and Villager was outprioritized by everyone". I respect your idea, just fully disagree with it since the evidence is just... plain bad.

Now please agree to disagree and move on. That's all I'm going to ask.

 

[MSmariosonic]

What did Pikachu say to Jigglypuff when she had to open the door?

Hehe..."You should Purin the key."

 

[The Original Robot boy]

What did Pikachu say to Jigglypuff when she had to open the door?

Hehe..."You should Purin the key."

 

[Sehnsucht]

What did Pikachu say to Jigglypuff when she had to open the door?

Hehe..."You should Purin the key."

 

[MSmariosonic]

There's a reason why my middle name is "Bing".

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

There's a reason why my middle name is "Bing".

...So you're a search engine?

 

[The Original Robot boy]

...So you're a search engine?

 

[Muster]

Your evidence is terrible. I'm done.

The only ones legitimately low priority were Villager, and the Forbidden 7. There is no Forbidden 10 bro. The ones who made it in have high priority, as for who had the highest and lowest among the 39 playables, nobody but Sakurai legitimately knows, and that's it.

No, I disagree with your theory since we have yet to see that happen. It'll be right once everything is finished being revealed. It's a decent theory, but you can't prove it just because "it's currently right". Jigglypuff is not provable of late priority. She was already in all previous versions.She was high priority by default at best. But it's not like either of us can prove what her priority is, so why bother stating it?

Oh, fyi? I don't really care what her priority was because I know for a fact we can't prove what it was. What I disagree with is that your theory is ironcald. It's a decent theory, and the past shows that the theory isn't ironclad. He may reveal newcomers before veterans. If you're trying to get anything else out of my point, then you're fishing for stuff that shouldn't be cared about.

If you were trying for a separate point on priority, fair enough. Irrelevant to what I originally said, but fine. I expect you to respect that I don't believe any specific priority beyond "Sonic outprioritized the Forbidden 7 and Villager was outprioritized by everyone". I respect your idea, just fully disagree with it since the evidence is just... plain bad.

Now please agree to disagree and move on. That's all I'm going to ask.

My evidence isn't terrible, it's literally on the game disc and on the website. Saying that is just uncalled for.

I'm not trying to prove my theory is right, I'm trying to prove that it has not yet been proven wrong, the only concrete point against it would be jigglypuff announced after lucario. Would be, except Jiggly and the other 3 were low priority, and that's where this argument resides.

I'm not leaving this at you saying "my evidence is bad", and i don't know what's going through your head to make you think I will allow that.

"Jigglypuff however, is towards the end of the character data rather than with the other veterans. She is with Toon Link and Wolf, two other low-priority characters that survived the cuts, as well as the scrapped Mewtwo, Roy, Dr. Mario, Toon Zelda/Sheik, and presumably "pra_mai".

I have explained this a crapton of times in multiple threads."

If you're going to call this argument crap, consult with someone like GoldenYuiitusin , who knows a bunch more about the topic of the final 10 characters than i.

I'm all for agreeing to disagree, but when you insult my side of the argument with little evidence to contradict it, then that's not where this is ending.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Link to where that quote was, then. If not, it's just speculation. I honestly don't remember that ever being said. -_-

I'm sorry, where did he say Jigglypuff was expendable? I honestly would love to hear that. And no, being near the end of the data is not good evidence. Get that out of here. It's awful evidence. File order is just not relevant and not something I will accept as relevant. I await for better proof or a link to where Sakurai said was low priority. Not guesses based upon data. FYI, I don't care if GY said it. That doesn't make it true. He didn't develop SSB.

I am not going to take a theory presented by a member as more than just a theory. I don't know why you expect me to think it's more than just a theory here. Your evidence is very faulty in this case. Really, just link me to a post where Sakurai admits Jigglypuff was low priority. I have respect for GY, but he even knows that it's just a theory and isn't proof. We've talked quite a bit about why you can't confirm things based upon data alone.

It's for the same reason why we can't confirm Toon Sheik was definitely going to be in the game or that she was never a codename for Tetra. We can say it's possible she was planned, and respect that. But nothing more.

Agree to disagree, or provide a direct link to Sakurai saying Jigglypuff was low priority. I'm going to ignore anything else you say till you can provide this. That's the only acceptable evidence you can give me.

Also, fyi, that is not evidence. That's a very legitimate theory to what Jigglypuff's priority is, and I can see that point. But that doesn't mean it's anything more than a theory. He's not clearly saying "this is fact" in that post, just that he thinks it's the case due to the data. I respect that, even if I disagree. I don't really understand why you expect me to take that as more than a theory, though. That's beyond unreasonable.

 

[Pacack]

Link to where that quote was, then. If not, it's just speculation. I honestly don't remember that ever being said. -_-

I'm sorry, where did he say Jigglypuff was expendable? I honestly would love to hear that. And no, being near the end of the data is not good evidence. Get that out of here. It's awful evidence. File order is just not relevant and not something I will accept as relevant. I await for better proof or a link to where Sakurai said was low priority. Not guesses based upon data. FYI, I don't care if GY said it. That doesn't make it true. He didn't develop SSB.

I am not going to take a theory presented by a member as more than just a theory. I don't know why you expect me to think it's more than just a theory here. Your evidence is very faulty in this case. Really, just link me to a post where Sakurai admits Jigglypuff was low priority. I have respect for GY, but he even knows that it's just a theory and isn't proof. We've talked quite a bit about why you can't confirm things based upon data alone.

It's for the same reason why we can't confirm Toon Sheik was definitely going to be in the game or that she was never a codename for Tetra. We can say it's possible she was planned, and respect that. But nothing more.

Agree to disagree, or provide a direct link to Sakurai saying Jigglypuff was low priority. I'm going to ignore anything else you say till you can provide this. That's the only acceptable evidence you can give me.

Dude, the entire list was ordered by series except for those ten characters. What else is that supposed to mean?

 

[TheLastJinjo]

I love how people think Wolf, Toon Link, and Jigglypuff were "almost cut" just because they were the lowest priority of the highest priority and the last CHARACTERS to be developed.

The list of characters is just a list of characters in order of which they were produced or for all we know BEGAN production. Nowhere does it state that the 3 were developed after all the stages, SSE sequences, items, assist trophies, move sets, and mini games. So how were they "almost cut"???

 

[Muster]

Link to where that quote was, then. If not, it's just speculation. I honestly don't remember that ever being said. -_-

I'm sorry, where did he say Jigglypuff was expendable? I honestly would love to hear that. And no, being near the end of the data is not good evidence. Get that out of here. It's awful evidence. File order is just not relevant and not something I will accept as relevant. I await for better proof or a link to where Sakurai said was low priority. Not guesses based upon data. FYI, I don't care if GY said it. That doesn't make it true. He didn't develop SSB.

You're obviously not seeing the point here. It's hopeless trying to argue it with you.
Also, i linked Golden's post by successfully quoting it. I had trouble due to the old social thread being locked, but That quote and the expendable quote are both on that page.

(Funny how you "don't remember" him saying that when you liked the post.)

Just to reiterate to any bystanders just tuning in.
I presented a theory that Newcomers are announced after veterans, barring unlockables in brawl.
Jigglypuff contradicted this theory, but i presumed it was because she was a low priority character.
Apparently in game character lists is crap evidence towards priority and i should go into a timeout corner for it.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Dude, the entire list was ordered by series except for those ten characters. What else is that supposed to mean?

That we don't know anything about it. Maybe they were all meant to be unlockable? Honestly, there's no way to know for sure what it meant. Also, conversely, they were all unlockable. It's also possible they were the last characters made, before Sonic. Or planned, but still before Sonic, which is true, btw. Sakurai even admits he had them planned before him. I can't call low priority here since that makes no sense and Sakurai never gave a legitimate indication of it. It's possible, of course. But that's all.

I love how people think Wolf, Toon Link, and Jigglypuff were "almost cut" just because they were the lowest priority of the highest priority and the last CHARACTERS to be developed.

The list of characters is just a list of characters in order of which they were produced or for all we know BEGAN production. Nowhere does it state that the 3 were developed after all the stages, SSE sequences, items, assist trophies, move sets, and mini games. So how were they "almost cut"???

First thing I've heard about this for a while that makes any real sense. They were low priority for the SSE, which is agreeable. But anything beyond that is a pure theory that nobody can prove, just speculate.

 

[Croph]

But like I've said.
Mewtwo, Roy, and Dixie Kong had their own big fanbase.
So why weren't they in? Why pick the former?

We can only speculate, but here's my opinion on the matter:

Dixie was most likely cut due the tag team mechanic with Diddy failing to be implanted. Diddy was clearly the more favoured monkey, though I guess there were time restrains or something that kept them from adding a standalone Dixie.

It's been speculated that Mewtwo would have taken more effort than Jiggs, and there's also the fact that Jiggs' relevance lies mostly within Smash as she's been here since 64 (however, we must remember that Sakurai wanted to add in Mewtwo in 64, but couldn't. Not only that, but it could be said that a major reason Jiggs was added in 64 was due to her being easy to implant as Kirby's model already existed). I think one of Sakurai's priority at the time of Brawl was to get in as much new faces as possible, which is why he left Jiggs and Mewtwo for later (and chose Toon Link and Wolf over the vets). It's a crazy theory, but perhaps Game Freak intervened and suggested Lucario to get more priority. Who knows...

Roy probably due to time and having less priority than Ike. I'm not sure really. I remember reading that Sakurai was looking for a new FE character, and IS suggested Ike though.