Social Smash 4 Social Topic 2.0

[Deleted member]

I heard Sakurai made Rosalina playable in Brawl, and people got her from the random box at some Brawl demo, but thought it was an assist trophy. Sakurai later removed her from the game for unknown reasons.

 

[Rebellious Treecko]

Sakurai later removed her from the game for unknown reasons.

Blue Peach clone.

YO!! I wish everyone in the character sub-forum would read this before blindly saying character X should be in Smash.

Factors:

1. Character individuality.
   1. What strategic options can they have to set them apart from the cast.
2. Does their playstyle reference and/or call back to their respective games.
3. Are they fun to play.

I love how sales and relevancy aren't even listed. It's moveset potential, individuality of the fighter and more importantly the entertainment value.

I just realized...
For someone who doesn't have eyes, you type your sentences rather well.

 

[Kenith]

I just realized...
For someone who doesn't have eyes, you type your sentences rather well.

His eyes are hidden in his fur.

 

[Frostwraith]

Before someone argues with clone characters, I'd like to add something to @ Moon Monkey 's post, which is reminding how the clones in Melee were filler characters as admitted by Sakurai himself.

In Brawl (and likely Smash 4 as well), the only clone that exists is Toon Link, which comes from Sakurai's philosophy of having both an adult and a young incarnation of Link. Even so, they set themselves apart when it comes to play style. At the same time, they're both inspired by the Zelda series.

It also made me think of Zelda and Palutena, who use moves used originally by Link and Pit, respectively.

Does their playstyle reference and/or call back to their respective games.

Despite not using the moves themselves, both still reference their original games somehow. Zelda references Ocarina of Time with her Specials and with the new Phantom Slash move, she also references Spirit Tracks, while Palutena has moves from her boss battle as well as using the powers used by Pit (which are granted by her in the first place).

Notice how some liberties are taken with some moves. For example, the Phantom Slash, it was Zelda herself that was stuck in the armor (Am I reminding of FMA all of a sudden...?), in Smash Bros., Zelda summons an armor with her magic. Different thing, but still an allusion Spirit Tracks players will notice. It was a change necessary for gameplay purposes.

What I think Sakurai wants is movesets that work, are compelling, but stay faithful to the original portrayal of the characters in other games.

Even Ganondorf's moveset cloned from Falcon manages to fit with those criteria. Originally, he was a dark warlock with god-like power, with brute strength as well as mastery of magic. Despite the moves being cloned from Falcon, he manages to fit that description. (Of course that I'd like to see Ganondorf revamped with new moves and all that. Don't get me wrong.)

 

[DraginHikari]

Very true which is a problem in my opinion you should not try and make a company take short term profit at the case of maybe losing reputation and a lot less gain in the future.

Well, yes it is problmatic because it was that kind of thinking in the finanaical sector that lead to the last finanical crash, it's still a continual problem through the financial community. Though Nintendo situation doesn't have the same degree of impact the addiction to more and more money is a powerful thing even in the investors in the video game world.

 

[CatRaccoonBL]

http://kotaku.com/pac-man-almost-got-into-super-smash-bros-brawl-1599610742

Pac-Man was almost in Brawl huh? Thats pretty interesting. I guess Namco's help on the game only helped the idea.

inb4 someone makes a thread about this

I actually knew about the reason Sakurai didn't put Pac-man in brawl already. There was an interview back before brawl released that when describing how he choose characters, he actually said something alongs the lines of "so no Pac-man." (I'll try to find it if you guys want).

What I didn't know was that he was actually planned for brawl...or suggested by Miyamoto.

 

[MSmariosonic]

His eyes are hidden in his fur.

The fur is like the shape of Mega Man's hat.

 

[Moon Monkey]

I just realized...
For someone who doesn't have eyes, you type your sentences rather well.

LOL! I did toy around with eyes, this was the one that looked the best to me:

Spoiler

I just thought it i was keeping it simple excluding the eyes.

@ Frostwraith Also a side topic: After looking at the whole Toon Link-Alfonzo thing that happened and reading what you said about Zelda; I think the characters in Smash aren't necessarily 1 instance or carnation of that character, but rather an all in one epitome of that character.

So a character like Toon Link isn't necessarily Wind Waker Toon Link or Spirit Tracks Toon Link, but just a vessel named Toon Link who has access to moves and abilities from every game a Toon Link was present.

 

[FalKoopa]

Also a side topic: After looking at the whole Toon Link-Alfonzo thing that happened and reading what you said about Zelda; I think the characters in Smash aren't necessarily 1 instance or carnation of that character, but rather an all in one epitome of that character.

So a character like Toon Link isn't necessarily Wind Waker Toon Link or Spirit Tracks Toon Link, but just a vessel named Toon Link who has access to moves and abilities from every game a Toon Link was present.

Yes, the characters in Smash are all composites of their other appearances.

Zelda is a good example. It's TP Zelda who uses spells from OOT and summons the Phantom from Spirit Tracks.

 

[dimensionsword64]

Guys, so the bets over. Any suggestions for my avatar?

 

[MSmariosonic]

Just like how Snake in Brawl is a hybrid of Solid Snake and Big Boss.

 

[Substitution]

Guys, so the bets over. Any suggestions for my avatar?

This would work wonderfully.

 

[dimensionsword64]

View attachment 17475

Okay.

 

[Rebellious Treecko]

I was gonna suggest:

 

[Deleted member]

Everyone use the...what is it... as their avatar!!

I was gonna suggest:

Hey, it's another jellyfish!

No, it's Squidward!

 

[Substitution]

Everyone use the...what is it... as their avatar!!

His name is Paul.

 

[dimensionsword64]

I was gonna suggest:

I may use that eventually.

Everyone use the...what is it... as their avatar!!

This is Paul. He is a manifestation of human creativity at it's worst.

 

[Substitution]

I was gonna suggest:

I dunno, does he match the same majesty as Paul?

 

[Frostwraith]

I just thought it i was keeping it simple excluding the eyes.

I think it's cuter without the eyes.

One would tell that an eyeless monkey would look freaky, but that art style manages to make it quite adorable.

@ Frostwraith Also a side topic: After looking at the whole Toon Link-Alfonzo thing that happened and reading what you said about Zelda; I think the characters in Smash aren't necessarily 1 instance or carnation of that character, but rather an all in one epitome of that character.

So a character like Toon Link isn't necessarily Wind Waker Toon Link or Spirit Tracks Toon Link, but just a vessel named Toon Link who has access to moves and abilities from every game a Toon Link was present.

Pretty much this. Link, Zelda and Toon Link are what TV Tropes calls a composite character.

While Zelda's canon says there are several incarnations of Link and Zelda, they share a lot of things in common when it comes to fighting skills. Plus, it's often said things like "Link is the main character of the Zelda characters" disregarding how there are different Links.

If I say that Link is the warrior, holder of the Triforce of Courage and a skilled swordsman or that Zelda is the magical girl, holder of the Triforce of Wisdom and possesses mystical powers, don't all Links and Zeldas fit those descriptions? I think that's the more correct interpretation of their Smash appearances.

 

[mimgrim]

......Why do you 2 have to have the same avi.

I keep thinking Mister is double/triple posting.

 

[dimensionsword64]

I think it's cuter without the eyes.

One would tell that an eyeless monkey would look freaky, but that art style manages to make it quite adorable.

I never even realized it didn't have eyes. XD

 

[Substitution]

......Why do you 2 have to have the same avi.

I keep thinking Mister is double/triple posting.

Because apparently I enjoy being the butt of many jokes.
I didn't think so myself. But hey, what do I know?

 

[mimgrim]

Because apparently I enjoy being the butt of many jokes.

so you are a masochist?

 

[dimensionsword64]

@ Substitution
Once people get used to this, we could totally get away with double posting.

 

[Substitution]

so you are a masochist?

I guess. If I keep on making bets and getting these. It's a better reason than anything else I could think up.

@ Substitution
Once people get used to this, we could totally get away with double posting.

I'd rather not.
I just got a point for spam. So I prefer not getting more.

 

[dimensionsword64]

I'd rather not.
I just got a point for spam. So I prefer not getting more.

I know, I'm joking. It would be pretty funny though.

 

[Substitution]

I know, I'm joking. It would be pretty funny though.

Sure. If getting a warning for something I didn't do is considered "funny".

 

[MSmariosonic]

I want to know.
What is your biggest desire for 3DS and what's your biggest desire for WiiU?

 

[Frostwraith]

@ Substitution @ D dimensionsword64

It's not like I don't know how to read...

I want to know.
What is your biggest desire for 3DS and what's your biggest desire for WiiU?

Right now, Super Smash Bros. for 3DS and Super Smash Bros. for Wii U.

I have yet to buy a Wii U, though. And I still want to find a copy of Bravely Default for 3DS.

 

[Substitution]

@ Substitution @ D dimensionsword64

It's not like I don't know how to read...

I don't mean you, I mean in general. I've gotten jokes referring to me being the same as someone else. Sure, it was just joking. But there could be a case where someone does get the two of us confused.
It's called Murphy's Law. Anything that could go wrong will go wrong.

I want to know.
What is your biggest desire for 3DS?

The day we're finally graced with some GBA Virtual Console games again.

 

[dimensionsword64]

@ Substitution @ D dimensionsword64

It's not like I don't know how to read...

 

[TitanTeaTime]

I want to know.
What is your biggest desire for 3DS and what's your biggest desire for WiiU?

A new Star Fox or Metroid or even F-Zero game on either console.
Star Fox is happening, Metroid is being though about (both good!) but I don't think F-Zero will return any time soon ;n;

 

[MSmariosonic]

Smash obviously for me... but other than Smash:

My biggest desire for WiiU is a remake of MGS4 (obviously).
My biggest desire for 3DS is a new Metroid that's similiar to Super Metroid.

 

[Jaedrik]

People are mad about the comment the Nintendo shareholder made. They should not be. The shareholder has the company's best interests at heart, because their best interests are his best interests. Therefore, in the end, the shareholder would want high-quality products, no doubt.

 

[dimensionsword64]

People are mad about the comment the Nintendo shareholder made. They should not be. The shareholder has the company's best interests at heart, because their best interests are his best interests. Therefore, in the end, the shareholder would want high-quality products, no doubt.

The shareholder doesn't want high quality products, he wants money.

 

[mimgrim]

I want to know.
What is your biggest desire for 3DS

Super Mario RPG remake.

and what's your biggest desire for WiiU?

Fire Emblem that is a new addition for the Tellius Series.

 

[Autumn ♫]

My biggest desire for the Wii U and the 3DS is Smash Bros.

 

[Jaedrik]

The shareholder doesn't want high quality products, he wants money.

I don't see the difference.

Edit: I am become SmashChu

 

[dimensionsword64]

I don't see the difference.

Edit: I am become SmashChu

Making you pay a dollar to jump higher isn't making the game any higher quality. It's just a way to leech money.

 

[Substitution]

I don't see the difference.

Edit: I am become SmashChu

Making quality money =/= making a quality product.