Smash 4 Social Thread 3.0

[FalKoopa]

I only say Gen 1 has bad designs because it's the unpopular thing to do. If it wasn't, however, my vote goes to Gen 5.

So we agree on that. Gen 5's designs were freakish... Scraggy, Trubbish, the Gothita line, Foongus... oh my. EDIT: And Stunfisk. Eugh.

 

[Knuckles the Knuckles]

I gotta agree, the first generation of a game series is usually the worst, especially for Pokemon.

If we count Nintendo, sure, but other game series, especially popular, are usually much better the first or second time around they appear.

I mean youre a Sonic fan, you should know

Also I share the sentiment of Gen 5 prolly being the worst when it comes to designs.

 

[Fatmanonice]

I never understood what's wrong with Kotaku either.

Probably has to do with the whole Gamer Gate pissing contest that's going on right now. I really can't take either side of it that seriously because it's basically a war between the two most insufferable entities on the internet: Tumblr and 4chan.

 

[Sapphire Dragon]

Gen 2 all the way.

As for the Pokemon breeding topic a while back, I kind of got pulled into it through the hidden ability craze in Gen 5 where I started gathering as many hidden abilities as I possibly could through breeding what people didn't have yet and trading them for some I didn't have. This eventually resulted in my demise in Gen 6 when Friend Safaris happened and there were more HA's than I could keep up with... I have over 100 unique HA's. I've bred a few 4-5 IV Pokemon too, but I'm literally drowning in HA's... though I suppose the only ones truly desirable now are the Gen 5 exclusives and the ones with a competitive hidden ability.

 

[Cap'nChreest]

Aw man I missed the anime talks

Don't worry. This is the smash 4 social thread. There will always be people talking about anime. Talking about how bad Sword Art Online is. Talking about how good Full Metal Alchemist is. Talking about Madoka. Talking about how no one has seen Clannad yet.......

 

[WolfieXVII ❂]

If we count Nintendo, sure, but other game series, especially popular, are usually much better the first or second time around they appear.

I mean youre a Sonic fan, you should know

Also I share the sentiment of Gen 5 prolly being the worst when it comes to designs.

Gen Zoroark 5 Serperior had (did I mention Zoroark yet?) it's gems though.

Don't worry. This is the smash 4 social thread. There will always be people talking about anime. Talking about how bad Sword Art Online is. Talking about how good Full Metal Alchemist is. Talking about Madoka. Talking about how no one has seen Clannad yet.......

Cap'n Clannad strikes again. I told you I started it lol, I just don't like spending time watching anime. I read fast, so I prefer the manga adaptations if there is one. There are exceptions though, if I reeeeally like it, I'll watch it.

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

*Looks at the Pic of the Day*

 

[Cap'nChreest]

I got this 0 to death yesterday

 

[Knuckles the Knuckles]

I never liked Kotaku honestly. Had some amazingly bad articles long before any of this drama started.

Gen Zoroark 5 Serperior had (did I mention Zoroark yet?) it's gems though.

Yea, like I said, every gen has some really good designs, just overall the previous gens had much better overall track record.

 

[WolfieXVII ❂]

I got this 0 to death yesterday

Chreest your Palutena still scares me. I have nightmares about what happened to my Kirby. Combine that with Pranked Chreest and you've got a nightmare concoction.

I never liked Kotaku honestly. Had some amazingly bad articles long before any of this drama started.


Yea, like I said, every gen has some really good designs, just overall the previous gens had much better overall track record.

Oh yes of course. Sorry I didn't read upwards.

 

[Kenith]

Actually, I lied. Gen 1 isn't so bad. There are a few stupid ones like Muk, Mr. Mime, Eggsecute, Tangela and Parasect, but I swear they stopped trying when they made some of Unova's Pokes. And that's coming from a huge fan of Gen 5.

I mean, seriously. I'm not even talking about Trubbish, either.

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

If we count Nintendo, sure, but other game series, especially popular, are usually much better the first or second time around they appear.

I mean youre a Sonic fan, you should know

Also I share the sentiment of Gen 5 prolly being the worst when it comes to designs.

Sonic is actually the same way, only Sonic's start is nowhere near as infamous as Pokemon's. Pokemon's start was a garbage truck compared to what they are now, and Sonic's start was Silver Medal material compared to now, and it just kept getting better until the extremely glitchy Sonic 06, but things got better after that.

 

[Miffa]

Actually, I lied. Gen 1 isn't so bad. There are a few stupid ones like Muk, Mr. Mime, Eggsecute, Tangela and Parasect, but I swear they stopped trying when they made some of Unova's Pokes. And that's coming from a huge fan of Gen 5.

I mean, seriously. I'm not even talking about Trubbish, either.

u mean like the ice cream Pokemon. but in all seriousness all generations have there terrible Pokemon in them.

 

[Kenith]

u mean like the ice cream Pokemon. but in all seriousness all generations have there terrible Pokemon in them.

Actually I loved Vanillite. One of my favorite Gen 5 Pokemon.
Until it grew a second head...

 

[Knuckles the Knuckles]

Sonic is actually the same way, only Sonic's start is nowhere near as infamous as Pokemon's. Pokemon's start was a garbage truck compared to what they are now, and Sonic's start was Silver Medal material compared to now, and it just kept getting better until the extremely glitchy Sonic 06, but things got better after that.

....Pokemon, an infamous start..... you know Cliffy, you just say the darndest things sometimes.

 

[FalKoopa]

Don't worry. This is the smash 4 social thread. There will always be people talking about anime. Talking about how bad Sword Art Online is. Talking about how good Full Metal Alchemist is. Talking about Madoka. Talking about how no one has seen Clannad yet.......

I have. And I never thought I'd cry like I did.

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

....Pokemon, an infamous start..... you know Cliffy, you just say the darndest things sometimes.

To be fair, I am aware that it wasn't infamous back then, but now it's dump truck material now that we have Fire Red and Leaf Green that never lose the ability to save your game.

 

[allison]

....Pokemon, an infamous start..... you know Cliffy, you just say the darndest things sometimes.

I know right, everyone hated first gen of course

 

[WolfieXVII ❂]

If it wasn't for Mime jr., I'd seriously doubt Mr. Mime's status as a pokemon.

 

[Miffa]

Actually I loved Vanillite. One of my favorite Gen 5 Pokemon.
Until it grew a second head...

there are weirder evolution's.

 

[Knuckles the Knuckles]

To be fair, I am aware that it wasn't infamous back then, but now it's dump truck material now that we have Fire Red and Leaf Green that never lose the ability to save your game.

Well, I mean, the emulated versions still work perfectly. And I think my Yellow still saves no problem last time I checked it few months back, so I dunno.

 

[RamOne]

I'm one of the few people who actually likes the Trubbish-line.

And poor Amy.

 

[Knuckles the Knuckles]

....and then we have THIS thing

It sums up my problems with most modern pokemon quite nicely.... though Gen 6 was a return to form, and ironicaly was a huge gen 1 fanservice, what are the friggin odds.

 

[allison]

I'm one of the few people who actually likes the Trubbish-line.

And poor Amy.

I should follow Nintendo UK. Even though I'm American.

 

[Knuckles the Knuckles]

And poor Amy.

Oh man seriously XD

Nintendo UK is the best at twitter I swear.

 

[Kenith]

I'm one of the few people who actually likes the Trubbish-line.
And poor Amy.

Welp, guess who's getting followed on Twitter.

 

[TheLastLugia]

Pokemon designs, huh? Well in all honesty I don't think there has been an increase or decrease in quality between gens. It's subjective which Pokemon one likes and doesn't like, I for one love the "ice cream pokemon" and the "trash bag" pokemon. I don't think the argument that gen 1 has unimaginative pokemon is valid, as it's clear they were basing their designs on real life, see seel, krabby and Pidgey. Gen 5 is not without fantastic pokemon either, my favourite gen overall purely on the new Pokemon basis. Each gen has a unique style and I can understand why people dislike one gen for its pokemon, but I'm not one of those. I only really dislike pokemon that are useless in battle or ones that don't reach their potential. The ones that come in for criticism like the "key chain" pokemon I actually really like as I can appreciate the design, and Klefki is also kick-a** in battle as well. As far as I'm concerned keep the unimagination coming!

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

I'm one of the few people who actually likes the Trubbish-line.

And poor Amy.

I better the later was because she's not playable in Shattered Crystal. Classic blind Amy hate from average modern Sonic fan never fails to amuse me.

 

[splat]

....and then we have THIS thing

It sums up my problems with most modern pokemon quite nicely.... though Gen 6 was a return to form, and ironicaly was a huge gen 1 fanservice, what are the friggin odds.

What's the problem with Druddigon? It's one of my favorites from generation 5, it's shiny colors are swell too.

The biggest problem with generation 5, in my book, was that almost 2/3rds of the entire dex was made up of Pokémon that shared a concept with older Pokémon. Druddigon is one of the original concepts.

 

[Luggy]

Meanwhile, Pac-Man became a meme :

 

[Knuckles the Knuckles]

What's the problem with Druddigon? It's one of my favorites from generation 5, it's shiny colors are swell too.

The biggest problem with generation 5, in my book, was that almost 2/3rds of the entire dex was made up of Pokémon that shared a concept with older Pokémon. Druddigon is one of the original concepts.

My biggest problem with new pokemon, outside of re-used concepts like you mentioned, is the way they are made.

Most gen 1 and 2 pokemon have a solid design going for them, simple and memorable, based on an existing animal (or a combination of one with something, like mashinery), has a leading colour thats subdued enough to not look ridiculous, basicaly, they looks like they could exist in an actual eco-system.

Druddigon here is just a mess of random shapes and bright colours. So many new pokemon are now just a bunch of squares and triangles and circles with ultra-shiny reds and blues and yellows in a vague shape of an animal, like its a Picasso painting without intending to be one (and even THEN that idea was already used much better on Porygon). Either that or its a re-used idea, like another bird pokemon, or another moth. There are some good ones, sure, but so many of them just look so friggin ugly, ugh.

 

[Rysir]

My biggest problem with new pokemon, outside of re-used concepts like you mentioned, is the way they are made.

Most gen 1 and 2 pokemon have a solid design going for them, simple and memorable, based on an existing animal (or a combination of one with something, like mashinery), has a leading colour thats subdued enough to not look ridiculous, basicaly, they looks like they could exist in an actual eco-system.

Druddigon here is just a mess of random shapes and bright colours. So many new pokemon are now just a bunch of squares and triangles and circles with ultra-shiny reds and blues and yellows in a vague shape of an animal, like its a Picasso painting without intending to be one (and even THEN that idea was already used much better on Porygon). Either that or its a re-used idea, like another bird pokemon, or another moth. There are some good ones, sure, but so many of them just look so friggin ugly, ugh.

You got a problem with blue and yellow?

 

[Blargg888]

My biggest problem with new pokemon, outside of re-used concepts like you mentioned, is the way they are made.

Most gen 1 and 2 pokemon have a solid design going for them, simple and memorable, based on an existing animal (or a combination of one with something, like mashinery), has a leading colour thats subdued enough to not look ridiculous, basicaly, they looks like they could exist in an actual eco-system.

Druddigon here is just a mess of random shapes and bright colours. So many new pokemon are now just a bunch of squares and triangles and circles with ultra-shiny reds and blues and yellows in a vague shape of an animal, like its a Picasso painting without intending to be one (and even THEN that idea was already used much better on Porygon). Either that or its a re-used idea, like another bird pokemon, or another moth. There are some good ones, sure, but so many of them just look so friggin ugly, ugh.

There's always a bird pokemon. It's not anything surprising. You could criticize pretty much any other gen for that.

 

[Luggy]

My biggest problem with new pokemon, outside of re-used concepts like you mentioned, is the way they are made.

Most gen 1 and 2 pokemon have a solid design going for them, simple and memorable, based on an existing animal (or a combination of one with something, like mashinery), has a leading colour thats subdued enough to not look ridiculous, basicaly, they looks like they could exist in an actual eco-system.

Druddigon here is just a mess of random shapes and bright colours. So many new pokemon are now just a bunch of squares and triangles and circles with ultra-shiny reds and blues and yellows in a vague shape of an animal, like its a Picasso painting without intending to be one (and even THEN that idea was already used much better on Porygon). Either that or its a re-used idea, like another bird pokemon, or another moth. There are some good ones, sure, but so many of them just look so friggin ugly, ugh.

That's your opinion, but every generation of Pokemon had bad desing. One could say that Gen 1 and 2 had bad desing because most of the pokemons were based on real life animals and so aren't original. An other one could also say that Gen 5 was the best because it was original and gave the series some air. That's just opinions.

But I have to admit, Gen 5 is my least favorite game of the franchise, followed by Gen 1. I could explain why, but that would take too much time.

 

[Blargg888]

That's your opinion, but every generation of Pokemon had bad desing. One could say that Gen 1 and 2 had bad desing because most of the pokemons were based on real life animals and so aren't original. An other one could also say that Gen 5 was the best because it was original and gave the series some air. That's just opinions.

But I have to admit, Gen 5 is my least favorite game of the franchise, followed by Gen 1. I could explain why, but that would take too much time.

Gen 5 is my favorite, personally.

 

[Knuckles the Knuckles]

That's your opinion, but every generation of Pokemon had bad desing. One could say that Gen 1 and 2 had bad desing because most of the pokemons were based on real life animals and so aren't original. An other one could also say that Gen 5 was the best because it was original and gave the series some air. That's just opinions.

But I have to admit, Gen 5 is my least favorite game of the franchise, followed by Gen 1. I could explain why, but that would take too much time.

True, people have different tastes after all. Thats just how I see things.

 

[Kenith]

My preference is Generation 4. Great music, great characters, great lore, great Pokes.
Lucario, Weavile, and Magnezone and my ****ing bros.

 

[Knuckles the Knuckles]

You got a problem with blue and yellow?

Not necessarly, as long as it doesnt go overboard (Lucario is alright in my book, except maybe for the random spikes)

There's always a bird pokemon. It's not anything surprising. You could criticize pretty much any other gen for that.

And I do We have waaay too many Pidgey look-alikes. I mean at least make it a difrerent bird, like Gen 3 actually gets props from me for at least using a seagull and a pelican for the Wingull tree, but enough is enough.

 

[Luggy]

God, I can't deal with people playing Ness ! I just keep losing to those. I don't know why, but for me apparently, Ness shouldn't be that difficult to beat sometimes. His mobility is too good for my Dr.Mario and even when I'm playing super defensively, I just lose like an idiot. Any tips for dealing with Ness a little bit better guys ?

My preference is Generation 4. Great music, great characters, great lore, great Pokes.
Lucario, Weavile, and Magnezone and my ****ing bros.

Yeah, Gen 4 was my first Pokemon game ! And I'm still having nightmares of the Garchomp of Cynthia. Couldn't defeat it when I was a kid. I was dumb at the time.

 

[RamOne]

My preference is Generation 4. Great music, great characters, great lore, great Pokes.
Lucario, Weavile, and Magnezone and my ****ing bros.

Gen 4 is actually my least favorite. Not a great fan of the designs, I like Torterra and Hippopotas, but the rest are meh. Not a fan of the gameplay speed as well, but heard that got fixed in Platinum, which I never played.

Not necessarly, as long as it doesnt go overboard (Lucario is alright in my book, except maybe for the random spikes)

And I do We have waaay too many Pidgey look-alikes. I mean at least make it a difrerent bird, like Gen 3 actually gets props from me for at least using a seagull and a pelican for the Wingull tree, but enough is enough.

Taillow is the Pidgey of gen 3, though.