Simpsons Mafia: will homer survive?

[Rockin]

You guys act like the RVS is some time not involved in mafia, or if its in fact like its own separate part of the day.

It doesn't go
N0
D1 RVS
D1

It goes
D1

You guys are wronggggggggggggg

I always considered RVS to be counted as D1. Only thing is, as it implies, I never take them seriously

just random spoofs for lulz

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THE USUAL THINGS ON A RVS

KevinM : I'm Fos Marshy cause he's just **** awesome, but he isn't as awesome as me

McFox: vote: Rockin for not agreeing with me that Para is awesome. And to prove that he's awesome, I have a youtube vid of me ****** Mewtwo...as Paras *links*
Rockin: HAAAAAAAAAX! HAX I SAY! DX

Mentos: so we accomplish very little today we need to scumhunt
Macman: Guess who I don't need to hunt down? Your mom. Cause she's in my mason ring
Mentos: D=< Vote: Macman
Macman: Vote: Mentos
KevinM: LOL OMGUS to the extream

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see? just random lulz and us having fun on first day. After a page or two, then stuff gets serious (or if there's too many votes on one person and they go 'wtf' lol)

all I'm saying is that while I treat RVS as D1, I also don't take that phase seriously.

 

[KevinM]

You should take them seriously, its still player on player interaction.

Do'h!

There we go again arguing about nothing!

 

[~ Gheb ~]

There we go again arguing about nothing!

Well then ... is there actually something we can seriously argue about?

 

[Riddle]

What?

What I'm saying is that one of the reasons he fosed me is because I said that Rockin was village do to things he said during the RVS, but Riddle also had other reasons on me that had to do with things I said in RVS.

You say that Rockin seems townie, because:

Rockin is rather village-ey, as he didn't vote onto Frozen, which as far as I know he says is a good scumhunter that Rockin does not want to get lynched. A mafia might've voted him to try to get a powerful townie lynched.

Your argument basically says that Rockin is town, because a mafia would have voted to get ff (a strong townie) out. This, however, is ridiculous, because nobody (that I have seen in any mafia game) gets lynched in the RVS without some sort of special role involved (executioner). FF had absolutely no chance of getting lynched and the only reason Rockin didn't vote him (correct me If I am wrong Rockin) is because it was RVS and Rockin preferred to vote McFox.

My arguments that had to do with RVS were that you were buddying (which is scummy even in RVS) and that your votes and actions didn't seem random to me.

For the Gheb bandwagoning thing I don't say who you saying that you got ninja'd proves it, but even assuming you actually did get ninja'd that was like my weakest point of evidence and you haven't adressed any others (strawman much?).

 

[#HBC | Mac]

D1 Vote Count:

[1]KevinM: Omis
[1]Frozenflame: Marshy,
[2]Mentosman: Frozen, KevinM
[1]McFox: Rockin
[2]Cacti: Omni, Riddle
[1]Gheb: McFox

With 11 alive it takes, 6 to lynch!

 

[Cacti]

Your argument basically says that Rockin is town, because a mafia would have voted to get ff (a strong townie) out. This, however, is ridiculous, because nobody (that I have seen in any mafia game) gets lynched in the RVS without some sort of special role involved (executioner). FF had absolutely no chance of getting lynched and the only reason Rockin didn't vote him (correct me If I am wrong Rockin) is because it was RVS and Rockin preferred to vote McFox.

My arguments that had to do with RVS were that you were buddying (which is scummy even in RVS) and that your votes and actions didn't seem random to me.

For the Gheb bandwagoning thing I don't say who you saying that you got ninja'd proves it, but even assuming you actually did get ninja'd that was like my weakest point of evidence and you haven't adressed any others (strawman much?).

Again, it when I stated that Rockin was town, it was more like a weak speculation then an actual argument, I was just trying to get something out of RVS. I thought that I had adressed the ones during the RVS in my statement in the end (I had originally put "see end" under the quotes, but decided to delete it), and for the questions, I just answered the questions for the sake of posting. I didn't really give thought to it until Mentos' post, which, yes, gave me the idea, but I didn't say the exact thing he did; he was just stating that the questions would get us nowhere, never stating that you might be scum trying to look you're being helpful.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

You guys really love debating useless stuff, do you?

 

[Riddle]

You guys really love debating useless stuff, do you?

Useless stuff such as who is scum? Fos: Gheb_01 for trying to stifle discussion. (saving his scum buddy from too much pressire?0

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Useless stuff such as who is scum? Fos: Gheb_01 for trying to stifle discussion. (saving his scum buddy from too much pressire?0

That's ridiculous. You try to find out "who is scum" based on what? On weak speculation as Kevin pointed out? On joke posts from the RVS? All you do is arguing back and forth with Cacti for no reason except to ... argue. Don't you see that this isn't leading anywhere? You just tangle yourself up in endless arguments with no solid foundation. That way you're not going to help anyone.

Honestly, all you SEEM to do is trying to find somebody to blame.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

I feel like the last sentence in my last post is somewhat unclear so I'll explain it:

Riddle, to me you don't seem to try to find out who's scum. Instead you just try to look for reasons to blame somebody for the sake of it.

 

[Riddle]

I feel like the last sentence in my last post is somewhat unclear so I'll explain it:

Riddle, to me you don't seem to try to find out who's scum. Instead you just try to look for reasons to blame somebody for the sake of it.

Sorry I was feeling a little agressive when I posted that. However, the fact that you were trying to discourage debate makes me a little suspicious of you. Conversation is a towns best weapon and you were trying to stop the debate between Cacti and I.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Not a lot of activity

Sorry I was feeling a little agressive when I posted that. However, the fact that you were trying to discourage debate makes me a little suspicious of you. Conversation is a towns best weapon and you were trying to stop the debate between Cacti and I.

I don't discourage dabate per se. But I don't see the point of you discussing these kind of things with Cacti. You're grapsping straws...

 

[Cacti]

Yes, not a lot of activity.

And Gheb, why do you not see the point if discussing these kinds of things? While they may seem insignificant, Riddle or I might slip something that will allude to someone being scum, and it's the only real discussion that's been happening so far...

On another note, where's Marshy? He's made one post:

fos rockin

frozenscum dead yet?

After the RVS ended, which was a random fos without reason, and his only posts in the RVS were to confirm and to bandwagon onto frozenflame:

vote frozenflame

He seems to be lurking or has not been on computer for a while.

 

[Omni]

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Nice contribution, Omni...

It's really hard to find out anything if nobody ever posts here =/
We might as well just do lynichings based on inactivity...

 

[Cacti]

If we're going to do lynchings based on inactivity, I say we lynch Marshy; as I said before, he hasn't said anything at all except for a random fos on Rockin.

Or we could prod him.

 

[mentosman8]

Haha I would like to see Marshy start posting some more, but early lurking doesn't necessarily mean Marshy is hiding, I've seen him do it as townie before too. Also, I hate lynching solely due to inactivity, so let's see if we can't hear from him.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Also, I hate lynching solely due to inactivity

So do I but with so many inactive people it's pretty hard to find a better reason...Marshy, Omi, Kevin, FF and Omis have virtually contributed nothing so far and McFox won't post before the 13th ...

... and a NL is pretty much a no-no IMO

 

[Riddle]

Prod: Marshy
Use his own rule against him!!!

Everyone else, if you want marshy to post or get replaced you have to prod him..

 

[Cacti]

I think I'll give Marshy a few hours before I prod him...

Oh, MAAAARSHY!

Come 'ere, boy!

 

[McFox]

and McFox won't post before the 13th ...

I can't post BETWEEN the 13th and the 20th. I'm here until then.

As mentos said, I've seen this from Marshy before. He picks someone (seemingly at random) D1, and then just checks in every once in a while to see if the person he's voted for is dead yet. I definitely don't think it's necessary to prod him again this soon.

 

[#HBC | marshy]

Just want to say that if a person doesn't vote for someone like Frozen flame, doesn't mean there's a good chance he's town. I didn't RVS Frozen cause...I plainly didn't want to. I like to do some lul RVS and honestly, the whole 'haha, vote ff so he can die before N1' gotten too old, so I moved to McFox, aka 'Paras fanboy' lol.

why did you feel the need to justify a harmless random vote?

mcfox do you have anything to say that could actually get us somewhere?

are you done lurking frozen?

 

[Chaco]

Oh, MAAAARSHY!

Come 'ere, boy!

I find this really funny.

*subscribes to watch*

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Prod: FrozenFlame

Where u @???

 

[Rockin]

why did you feel the need to justify a harmless random vote?

Because I have a bad feeling of being confirmed as a townie by RVS. It's just...bad reasoning IMO.

also, sorry for being inactive. I'm going to post something very soon ^^;;

 

[McFox]

I was already going to do this since I won't be around tomorrow, but since you asked Marshy:

Maybe Riddle's posting up these questions to make it look like he's doing townie things when he's really one of the Pranksters.

I found this odd, especially when I found Riddle's explanation of his 3 questions to be satisfactory:

My questions were not intended to be used to scum hunt whatsoever. I just wanted to stir up discussion, and get us out of the RVS.

While you can say that asking questions like that are useless (as several people did), the point still stands that up until when he asked them, no real discussion had taken place, it was all RJVs. I don't see the fact that he attempted to actually start a discussion as scummy.

I also found that, given what little had actually taken place so far, this post by Riddle was pretty insightful. I also found Cacti's response to it pretty weak.

And then, before Riddle can get much more prodding in, Gheb jumps in

You guys really love debating useless stuff, do you?

Riddle calls out Gheb for stifling actual discussion, to which Gheb responds

That's ridiculous. You try to find out "who is scum" based on what? On weak speculation as Kevin pointed out? On joke posts from the RVS? All you do is arguing back and forth with Cacti for no reason except to ... argue. Don't you see that this isn't leading anywhere? You just tangle yourself up in endless arguments with no solid foundation. That way you're not going to help anyone.

Except... what if Cacti actually is scum? And what if Riddle's pressuring forces him to screw up? Riddle was on a pretty good streak before you jumped in to stop them.

After Riddle responds again, Gheb comes back with

I don't discourage dabate per se. But I don't see the point of you discussing these kind of things with Cacti. You're grapsping straws...

Almost all D1 pressuring is grasping at straws, unless someone majorly screws up. I don't see why you felt the need to stop what Riddle was doing, especially when you yourself said earlier that

both suggestions lead to results sooner or later but we kinda need something to start with. I agree that it's the right time to start going seriously since all players have confirmed ...

We need something to start with, but not if involves Cacti?

Cacti comes back with what I saw as basically "Gheb stfu man"

And Gheb, why do you not see the point if discussing these kinds of things? While they may seem insignificant, Riddle or I might slip something that will allude to someone being scum, and it's the only real discussion that's been happening so far...

Pointing out the obvious, and to me, implying "Gheb, don't defend me."

I also found the following odd:

If we're going to do lynchings based on inactivity, I say we lynch Marshy; as I said before, he hasn't said anything at all except for a random fos on Rockin.

Or we could prod him.

I like how he throws out the "let's lynch based on inactivity" when we're 5 days into the game. Then he poses the much-more-obvious and rational "or I guess we could just prod the inactive players" after posing the "but let's lynch them." To me, that says that he actually wants to lynch based on inactivity, but didn't want to "seriously" bring it up, and so decided to throw out the obvious alternative that a Townie would inevitably come back with to cover himself.

And finally, Gheb again:

So do I but with so many inactive people it's pretty hard to find a better reason...Marshy, Omi, Kevin, FF and Omis have virtually contributed nothing so far and McFox won't post before the 13th ...

(Emphasis mine)

This is him responding to whether or not we should lynch based on inactivity. I find the bolded text odd, considering that he jumped in and halted the first actual discussion this game had. When I'm mafia, my strategy is to usually just try to stop any momentum the town makes. Try to make them doubt their every move. Gheb keeps saying that people are inactive, but then silences people who are active?

Unvote

Vote: Gheb

 

[KevinM]

I'm down for a Gheb train

FULL SPEED AHEAD!

Unvote Mentos
Vote Gheb_Scum

 

[#HBC | marshy]

i'm always fine with a sweet wagon

unvote frozenflame (still a scumbag) vote gheb_scum

 

[Rockin]

Not really sure what else to really add except that I agree what Mcfox said in terms of gheb. If he didn't like the discussion, he could've at least added something to that in order to make discussion. >>

Vote: Gheb

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Bandwagoning is so much fun, am i rite guys?

McFox, all your accusations are weak interpretations of my posts. You accuse me for doing things that I didn't actually do:

- I never tried to stop discussion. On the contrary. I was always the one, who tried to get a serious discussion started in the first place. Unlike the people, who just kept lurking (as I mentioned a bunch of times) I always tried to get a discussion going. Too bad I'd rather have a couple of people stating opinions rather than two people arguing over and over about something that has NOTHING to do with actual scum-hunt.

- Prodding is an option that I used myself but it only helps in the long run. It's still better to have a D1 lych and prodding like 5 people is stupid when they feel the consequences a bunch of days later (if they get to feel it at all). I'd rather have a change now when it matters more imo.

"We need something to start with, but not if involves Cacti?"

That's a silly argument. Cacti, me and Riddle were THE ONLY THREE PLAYERS, WHO WERE ACTIVE AT THAT POINT. It could've been anybody but in this case it just happened to be Cacti. I would've acted the same if it was Omni - but wait, he rather posts meaningless gifs. It could've been Marshy - but wait, he rather throws out random accusations @ FrozenFlame. It could've been Omis - but, wait HE DOESN'T EVEN POST.

"find the bolded text odd, considering that he jumped in and halted the first actual discussion this game had."

I never halted any discussion. I even told Riddle/Cacti that I won't stop them. I just felt a debate BASED ON RVS leads nowhere and I still think the same about it.
As I said before (ironically, it got completely ignored):
This discussion doesn't help you to find scum. Its only purpose is to find a reason to randomly blame somebody, if he's scum or not.

Fun fact: People like you, who barely post or show any signs of activity, are the ones, who are the most counterproducitve in regards to scum-hunting. Yet you blame ME, who actually tries to starta SERIOUS debate, of being scummy?

No u.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

"Its only purpose is to find a reason to randomly blame somebody, if he's scum or not."

Bad wording on my part.

In this discussion it doesn't matter if somebody is scum or not. It's more important to just find a reason to blame him.

 

[KevinM]

Cool ok so how many more people do we need until Gheb is dead?

 

[Riddle]

Bandwagoning is so much fun, am i rite guys?

McFox, all your accusations are weak interpretations of my posts. You accuse me for doing things that I didn't actually do:

- I never tried to stop discussion. On the contrary. I was always the one, who tried to get a serious discussion started in the first place. Unlike the people, who just kept lurking (as I mentioned a bunch of times) I always tried to get a discussion going. Too bad I'd rather have a couple of people stating opinions rather than two people arguing over and over about something that has NOTHING to do with actual scum-hunt.

What? Will you show me one instance in which you tryed to start up serious discussion? I can find you one where you tryed to stop it. Inactivity isn't a scum-tell by the way.

That's a silly argument. Cacti, me and Riddle were THE ONLY THREE PLAYERS, WHO WERE ACTIVE AT THAT POINT. It could've been anybody but in this case it just happened to be Cacti. I would've acted the same if it was Omni - but wait, he rather posts meaningless gifs. It could've been Marshy - but wait, he rather throws out random accusations @ FrozenFlame. It could've been Omis - but, wait HE DOESN'T EVEN POST.

So, because other people are inactive I can't pressure the person who is active?

Fun fact: People like you, who barely post or show any signs of activity, are the ones, who are the most counterproducitve in regards to scum-hunting. Yet you blame ME, who actually tries to starta SERIOUS debate, of being scummy?

No u.

No. People who actively discourage scum-hunting are much more of a detriment than people who just don't participate. You tryed to stop debate and that is very scummy.

FoS: Gheb_01

the only reason I'm not voting you is so you aren't put at L-1

 

[KevinM]

Just vote him, come on baby it'll feel GURAAAAATE

 

[Cacti]

Inactivity is not a scum tell, but lurking players should be looked upon with more scrutiny.

I'm fine with lynching Gheb; Riddle and McFox's reasonings have been sound, and now he has brought up how he "tried to start up a serious discussion", which I don't think he ever really did.

(I'm looking scummier by the post, aren't I? I think I should've started in a newbie mafia or something...)

 

[Riddle]

Just vote him, come on baby it'll feel GURAAAAATE

Nah, I want to give him a chance to defend himself before I do. If his defense isn't satisfactory I will vote him though. Now might be a good time to claim.

 

[#HBC | marshy]

now is not a good time to claim

wanna know what mentos, omni, frozen, and omis think of a gheb lynch

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Inactivity isn't a scum-tell by the way.

That's not what I'm saying.

The issue with inactivity is that nobody posting results in limited scum hunting. If we only have 3 people, who contribute it's quite obvious that we don't get too far. Of course you can try to pressure somebody but you can hardly pressure somebody, who doesn't post.
That's why scum TENDS to lurk (not saying that it has to be the case but it's usually a safe option).

What I saying: If only 3 people are active, then it's obvious that one of those 3 people is going to take the blame. But not because it makes sense but because you have no other options.

That's why I called your pressure useless. As long as nobody else posts and contributes there isn't enough room for scum hunting and you can only continue to pressure the same few people, which brings no results.

So, because other people are inactive I can't pressure the person who is active?

What are you talking about?

McFox accused me because he thinks I try to get Cacti out of your pressure. I was merely justifying it by saying that it could've been anybody else, not just Cacti.

The inactivity of all the other people was the reason that Cacti - and only him - was pressured in the first place. That's why scum lurks and prefers to stay away from actual discussion - to avoid pressure like that.

Of course you can pressure the ones, who are active but that's what the problem is all about: You can't pressure inactive players. In our case we have 11 players but only 3 of them were part of that discussion. So what about the other 8 players? They're safe from pressure until you found a reason to lynch somebody and then they'll join the bandwagon to avoid pressure themselves.

It's not a big miracle that it looks like I'm trying to help Cacti, when there's nobody else, who could've been in his position because they just lurk all the time.

No. People who actively discourage scum-hunting are much more of a detriment than people who just don't participate. You tryed to stop debate and that is very scummy.

You guys LOVE ignoring my points and actively dodge them, don't you? Guess I have to say it again:

YOU ARE NOT SCUM-HUNTING. YOU JUST PRESSURE SOMEBODY UNTIL YOU FIND A REASON TO BLAME HIM, WHETHER IT'S REASONABLE OR NOT. THEN EVERYBODY ELSE JOINS THE BANDWAGON, WHILE AVOIDING SERIOUS DISCUSSION.

If you were actually scum-hunting you'd find Marhsy's irrational behaviour (randomly accusing frozen but then bandwagoning asap) a lot more suspicsious. Or all the other people, who prefered to stay silent when it mattered but are now OK with lynching me (Kevin, Rockin) because I'm in the "spotlight" now.

 

[Rockin]

Cool ok so how many more people do we need until Gheb is dead?

Be nice, KevinM >_____>

Of course you can pressure the ones, who are active but that's what the problem is all about: You can't pressure inactive players. In our case we have 11 players but only 3 of them were part of that discussion. So what about the other 8 players? They're safe from pressure until you found a reason to lynch somebody and then they'll join the bandwagon to avoid pressure themselves.

You can always pressure a inactive person by just either prodding them or voting them. Either one would force the other to be active. Remember, can't stay inactive for long, or else we're gonna get replaced. >>

as said, you try to halt someone/call out their pressure being useless, even when there were just a few of ya active. Again, if you feel a 'serious' discussion wasn't started, then you could've took the liberty of starting one yourself so as to get others to post their opinion about it.

YOU ARE NOT SCUM-HUNTING. YOU JUST PRESSURE SOMEBODY UNTIL YOU FIND A REASON TO BLAME HIM, WHETHER IT'S REASONABLE OR NOT. THEN EVERYBODY ELSE JOINS THE BANDWAGON, WHILE AVOIDING SERIOUS DISCUSSION.

Right now, this IS a serious discussion. And of course, if the reason is legit and scum worthy, of course they will either bandwagon or just plain vote for you.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

You can always pressure a inactive person by just either prodding them or voting them. Either one would force the other to be active. Remember, can't stay inactive for long, or else we're gonna get replaced. >>

That's what we already did (I called a prod on omis and somebody else also called a prod on somebody) so it's not like I didn't use that option.
However the majority needs to call a prod on the same player to actualy achieve something. How is this supposed to be possible if only 3 players even care?

That's also why I proposed to base our D1 lynch on inactivity since we had no other options.

as said, you try to halt someone/call out their pressure being useless, even when there were just a few of ya active. Again, if you feel a 'serious' discussion wasn't started, then you could've took the liberty of starting one yourself so as to get others to post their opinion about it.

Staring a serious discussion? With whom? Cacti and Riddle were arguing and nobody else was there to argue with. That's my entire point.

Nobody active + No options to prod = impossible to start a worthy debate...

Right now, this IS a serious discussion. And of course, if the reason is legit and scum worthy, of course they will either bandwagon or just plain vote for you.

Oh, I don't even disagree with that. This is a serious discussion indeed. But it only became serious because other people started to argue along. It wouldn've been that serious if it still were only 3 people.