Dark Hart
Rejected by Azua
NC has never had a good puff
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Social *sigh* oh the life of a Zelda main [A new zelda discussion zone]
- Thread starter Dark Hart
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Upke
Smash Journeyman
Ouch, but true.
I play with a Falcon main that's kicking my ass. I'm about even with him on my Ganon, but my Zelda feels so hopeless. He tends to dash dance and wait for me to approach, but I'm Zelda! I don't want to approach unless I really have to, but he's more patient than I am. I guess if there was money on the line, I'd be more willing to camp, but camping's so boring and anti-hype. What can I do that isn't just standing there longer than him?
I play with a Falcon main that's kicking my ass. I'm about even with him on my Ganon, but my Zelda feels so hopeless. He tends to dash dance and wait for me to approach, but I'm Zelda! I don't want to approach unless I really have to, but he's more patient than I am. I guess if there was money on the line, I'd be more willing to camp, but camping's so boring and anti-hype. What can I do that isn't just standing there longer than him?
Falcon is probably my least favorite match up. I generally dash dance and close in and try to kick his approach on reaction, with limited success.
Zelda out-ranges falcon if both are in the air. If you can bait him into doing an aerial, things will be good. The Falcon will generally stay grounded however. It seems Zelda's kind of at the mercy of his DD camping. A lot of time I dash attack and get punished. You can try jabs. They make for good bait some times, but I think even these can be punished. I guess a good strategy would be close in with a dash dancing, and then use a retreating b-air like, The Lake said, when you get kind of close. I'm gonna try the n-air approach.
Zelda out-ranges falcon if both are in the air. If you can bait him into doing an aerial, things will be good. The Falcon will generally stay grounded however. It seems Zelda's kind of at the mercy of his DD camping. A lot of time I dash attack and get punished. You can try jabs. They make for good bait some times, but I think even these can be punished. I guess a good strategy would be close in with a dash dancing, and then use a retreating b-air like, The Lake said, when you get kind of close. I'm gonna try the n-air approach.
Upke
Smash Journeyman
I do like to throw out kicks, but he's really smart about it. If I kick right out of SH, he knows I can fit a second one in before I hit the ground so he waits for that, and he grabs me before I can jump back into the air and do another kick, becuase Zelda's jump is pretty slow. And he's so fast!
And I've seen you and Cosmo use upsmash OoS a good amount, so I definitely do that.
The only problem is if one hits, he'll start approaching with full hop stomps. If he does that while I'm dash dancing, I can easily avoid it and punish with a bair, but if I'm in the shield, he goes from stomp to gentleman, and I can't seem to get a grab in. I usually roll away, but he either grabs me or it goes back to neutral.
Do you think I'd be able to fit in a downsmash instead of trying to jump and do another kick? I know it comes out pretty fast, but it wouldn't really be helpful if he's at low percents. I'll totally check out the nair approach though.
And I've seen you and Cosmo use upsmash OoS a good amount, so I definitely do that.
The only problem is if one hits, he'll start approaching with full hop stomps. If he does that while I'm dash dancing, I can easily avoid it and punish with a bair, but if I'm in the shield, he goes from stomp to gentleman, and I can't seem to get a grab in. I usually roll away, but he either grabs me or it goes back to neutral.Do you think I'd be able to fit in a downsmash instead of trying to jump and do another kick? I know it comes out pretty fast, but it wouldn't really be helpful if he's at low percents. I'll totally check out the nair approach though.
PGH Carroll
Smash Master
Alright guys. im gonna need some answers. here as im gonna be focusing all my smash time into this new character.
Sup Zelda Fam
Sup Zelda Fam
Dark Hart
Rejected by Azua
Zelda does not outrange Falcon in the air.
Zelda doesn't outrange falcon ever
Getting caught in the air the Zelda's #1 bane vs Falcon
Use the Marth rule, stay grounded as much as possible
Zelda doesn't outrange falcon ever
Getting caught in the air the Zelda's #1 bane vs Falcon
Use the Marth rule, stay grounded as much as possible
Upke
Smash Journeyman
Well, I know I've kicked through his nair a couple of times, which seems to be a very long ranged attack, but I know it has two different hits, so it could've been between those.
Dark Hart
Rejected by Azua
You could've hit it
Falcon's nair has less priority than most expect. In fact, most of his aerials don't have amazing priority, they're just fast coming out, hit hard, and have low lag
Falcon's nair has less priority than most expect. In fact, most of his aerials don't have amazing priority, they're just fast coming out, hit hard, and have low lag
Upke
Smash Journeyman
Alright, cool. That's good to know.
And for anyone who's been struggling against Falcon like me, I learned something I should have known a long time ago and I feel stupid for having not realised it. Falcons approach with nair a lot, and the one I fight also does a lot of tomahawks, and dash attacks will disrupt both of those approaches. Just a small tip, in case you were as forgetful as I.
And for anyone who's been struggling against Falcon like me, I learned something I should have known a long time ago and I feel stupid for having not realised it. Falcons approach with nair a lot, and the one I fight also does a lot of tomahawks, and dash attacks will disrupt both of those approaches. Just a small tip, in case you were as forgetful as I.
Dark Hart
Rejected by Azua
^^^
Truu
Dash attack trades with Fox's nair, and beats out his weak nair
Dash attack OP
Truu
Dash attack trades with Fox's nair, and beats out his weak nair
Dash attack OP
Bing
Smash Master
Saturday someone wanted to play seriously with me... so I used Zelda to troll, scored a few Zero to deaths.. Gotta love Falco. Also, Uair is too good if they keep Di-ing into it...
ChivalRuse
Smash Hero
I'm starting to think wavedash to grab is way better than dash grab, just because running takes too long.
Upke
Smash Journeyman
I don't find a lot of situations to use it in. When I'm chaingrabbing spacies, or throwing other characters up at low percents, I use it at the end for extra damage and try to follow up with a bair or fair.
Dark Hart
Rejected by Azua
Dtilt shield stabs, at higher percents vs floaties it combos into utilt and can kill
There's a training mode gif somewhere
Implications
There's a training mode gif somewhere
Implications
Upke
Smash Journeyman
Is it necessary though? At those percents, I usually just fsmash or more commonly lightning kick after a dtilt. I guess style is never a bad thing. 
Oh, and on characters with bad recovery, I like to dsmash and watch them squirm.
Oh, and on characters with bad recovery, I like to dsmash and watch them squirm.
Dark Hart
Rejected by Azua
Utilt is a great realiable KO move vs floaties
why's figuring out ways to combo into that unnessecary?
why's figuring out ways to combo into that unnessecary?
Upke
Smash Journeyman
It's just that, using lightning kicks 24/7, I'm used to it, but I guess utilts don't have the risk of a sour spot.
Can they DI dtilts even?
Can they DI dtilts even?
Dark Hart
Rejected by Azua
Probably lol
But it doesn't pop them up very high
So I don't know how much it matters in the end
But it doesn't pop them up very high
So I don't know how much it matters in the end
Dark Hart
Rejected by Azua
it may trade with Falco's dair, but you don't wanna challenge Falco's dair
Upke
Smash Journeyman
Falcon might be able to stomp through it, but I haven't been in such a situation in a while, so I'm not sure.
INSANE CARZY GUY
Banned via Warnings
Learn the more for sure stuff first things like up-throw chain throws, d-smash/edge hog recovery and then fit in fancy stuff that is harder to land in the same cases.
My buddy plays watch and has aweful edge guard and i've told him if he were only drop fair, d-tilt and edge guard or nair them when they land he would nearly always and easily get the edge guard then he can try and be fancy with bacon and etc.
My buddy plays watch and has aweful edge guard and i've told him if he were only drop fair, d-tilt and edge guard or nair them when they land he would nearly always and easily get the edge guard then he can try and be fancy with bacon and etc.
SamusPoop
Banned via Warnings
Found out if You're running and turn around You can turn around jump really fast as zedla. Good for faster edge hog like marth's full hop bair.
Also got side-b jab reset dash attack->dash attack-> fair
Also got side-b jab reset dash attack->dash attack-> fair
Dark Hart
Rejected by Azua
Wrong game?
I think I know what he's talking about. If you're running with Zelda and go into her full dash, past the point of dash dance range, and then press the opposite direction to turn around, during her turn around animation if you jump Zelda will be facing the opposite direction in the air and still carry her momentum toward the direction she was initially facing. It can make for good edge hogs.
Dark Hart
Rejected by Azua
Ehhhhhhhhhhh
GKInfinity
Smash Champion
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Upke
Smash Journeyman
It's decent. If I'm pretty far away and I want to edgehog, I'll do what he's describing. Most of the time though, I'll just do a moonwalk or wavedash since I'm close enough.
SamusPoop
Banned via Warnings
That's gangster, even more gangster then the time I tryed to steal comso's teeth
Dark Hart
Rejected by Azua
Okay have fun with that guys lol
Upke
Smash Journeyman
The dash to turnaround wavedash edgehog is smooth as ****. I was just trying it out today and of course no one sees it coming because hardly anyone plays Zelda.
Dark Hart
Rejected by Azua
This is why I started playing Fox
Because of these conversations
Because of these conversations
ChivalRuse
Smash Hero
By turnaround, do you mean the animation that occurs if you don't dash dance properly?
Yeah. As Zelda, if you interrupt the animation with a jump she will be facing in the opposite direction that she was running. I'm not sure if this is exclusive to Zelda, but I know with some of the other characters I've tried it with, they stay facing the same direction they were running if you jump during the turn around animation.