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I mean, technically the actual ranged part doesn't come out until frame 23
Thanks I'm feeling better already. I'd say let me send a video of a few matches but I can't record anything. So if there's anyway around that go ahead and tell me.
Happens to the best of us. That happened to me once, but we all have good and bad days. Berserker has the answer pretty much
Speaking of Shulk epic range. I feel like his range in some attacks have gotten nurfed. Mainly his f-smash, but maybe I'm wrong. Also his B-Air is so good I love it!
Yea that's what I did think it was, but I just needed to calm my crap because when I'm angry
Berserker.
for telling me to calm down and press on, and on, and on! One more thing ever sense my other post and getting help my win/losde rate whent from 51% to 54% wins.
I guess it just seems nurfed. And are these characters good against Shulk.
I beat you aren't feeling that.
except for, like, projectiles lol
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1st place goes to Megaman fully charged, 2nd Mii Gunner, 3rd Duck Hunt fully charged, then Shulk.except for, like, projectiles lol
Which forward smashes are the farthest reaching in this game, anyway?
Right, forgot Duck Hunt.
Actually I think Shulks f-smash is longer then duck hunt and mii gunner. I'll check later.
Either way dhd, megaman, Shulk, and mii gunner all have some great f-smash range.
Dhds smashs are all bad.
What do you use against a Kirby that takes the Monado arts and chooses buster and spams up tilt? Because speed and shield don't work.
Outrange Kirby. His range still sucks. Plus, you know how the arts work and what their weaknesses are. Exploit 'em. Jump Kirby though is dumb but one hit is gonna hurt a lot for Kirby
I suppose this was because Rosalina was playing defensively while you were in Smash? Grabs would not be effective because Luma would just hit you, and your other attacks can't do much to her shield because half damage. Hmm. I think Smash is good here only in situations where she isn't on the stage. When she's in the air, recovering, or on higher platforms, there shouldn't be anything wrong with Smash.
Oo right, I'm going to head over to the patch changes thread right now. I wonder if things are starting to get finished.
I haven't really seen much discussion about
I had two matches against Roy this morning, my very first experience fighting Roy in Smash 4. I lost the first by a narrow margin, and won the second somehow even though I died a horrible SD early on in the fight. What I gathered:
In Shulk's favor:
+ Superior range: I had more than one instance in the fight where Roy was sitting there, charging his Neutral B. If I tried to jump in and interrupt, he would instantly let go. However, Shulk's aerials are great for interrupting if you use the tip of the blade. Also, you can stand just outside the range of his B, and connect with FSmash for a satisfying punish.
+ Vision: OK, this is an advantage in a lot of MUs, but I found it particularly effective against most of Roy's edgeguarding options. My opponent seemed somewhat savvy, using some clever tactics, but he seemed very reluctant to chase me off stage for any KOs. (Who can blame him with Roy's recovery?) He often used neutral or up B at the edge of the stage when I was returning, the latter of which was a huge Vision bait. I rarely had difficulty recovering from off stage. JVC also seems to be a risky but highly rewarding option when he uses Neutral B.
+ Strong air game: If you can get Roy off the edge of the stage, Shulk can have some good fun with Roy, especially in Jump mode. Smash seems a little risky here, but a single FAir can make recovery a dream for Roy. My opponent was very on top of his air dodges though, so I didn't really get to do this much in the first match. Shulk's aerials really space out Roy quite well though, especially if you can condition him into shielding or countering, leading to an easy grab.
+ Roy's ending lag: Shulk technically has worse ending lag as far as I can tell, but Roy's dodged attacks were easy to punish in those matches.
Now, in Roy's favor:
- High attack power: Roy really kept me on my toes with how strong his attacks were. I wasn't expecting that level of power going into the MU, and retaliating with Buster only exacerbates the problem unless you make sure not to whiff your attacks or hit his shield. I was already in kill range at about 115%, maybe a little more.
- Strong combo options: Getting caught in Roy's Dancing Blade is a big no-no. I lost the first match because I wasn't cautious enough around that side B. His other specials don't combo too well, but some of his tilt and smash attacks seemed to flow into each other. Also, some of his attacks are multi-hit strikes, like USmash.
- Ground speed: It wasn't a huge problem, but Roy's ground speed kept me on the defensive sometimes. Whenever I whiffed something, Roy wasted no time in rushing in for a punish. He doesn't have Marth's speed, but it felt at least equal to Vanilla Shulk. (Note: I have not examined any frame data, this could be placebo.)
Finally, I'll just say a bit on Monado Arts:
Jump should be used as normal, but I think it's kinda risky at high%s. Roy has a lot of kill options.
Speed seemed useful for the grab game, but it required conditioning to work well. My opponent was quite Counter-happy, and my initial attempts to NAir him backfired until I started mixing in grabs. The lower damage is noticeable though.
Shield... I didn't really use much. Roy usually killed me around 120% or so, well before I consider pulling out Shield. I also SD'd once with an accidental activation.
Buster: a really risky option, considering Roy's already-high power. However, it did help to get him up to kill levels fairly easily.
Smash: Also risky, but no different from the other times it's risky. I liked to use it for chasing off stage.
Overall, I lost the first match due to unfamiliarity with Roy, but the second match was more interesting. I SD'd when Roy was only at 41% on his first stock, yet I managed to come back and win by using all of Shulk's tools. The biggest help was when I activated Buster when Roy was at 50% on his second stock, and landed a long string of attacks. I punished his Neutral B with a FSmash, chased him with a UAir, UTilted him when he was coming back down, altogether getting him around 128% before Buster ran out. That was enough to launch him far enough off stage that he couldn't reach the ledge.
Still, this was only two matches. Feel free to disregard half the stuff here, I'm merely tossing a few ideas out to see if my idea is in the ballpark for those with more experience in this MU.
From the match-up thread
XenoEmblem Fates celebration?
Works for me
Getting one of Bravely Default's VAs to sign your game? You just raised the net worth of that game case by $$$. Too bad it wasn't Agnes' VA...
You didn't like Xenoblade Chronicles C? Rude.
Nice! That's pretty neat.
