Shrine Maiden of Paradise ~ Reimu Hakurei (Touhou Project)

[EarlTamm]

Hey, I just realized:

If when Reimu does get announced for Smash, do you think Maximilian Dood would get a kick out of the Touhou fighting games?

This is something I have silently considered.

 

[SharkLord]

Hey, I just realized:

If when Reimu does get announced for Smash, do you think Maximilian Dood would get a kick out of the Touhou fighting games?

If we don't get Reimu in Smash but get a Switch-exclusive Touhou 17.8 fighting game instead, with multiple fan-favorites and Kirby as a guest character in an inverted Smash situation, I'd be perfectly okay with it.
Setting realistic standards, I'd want a SWR/Hisotensoku port, an AoCF port, and a Gouyoku Ibun port. Out of the Touhou games, I think these would be the best casual-friendly entry points.

 

[Blankiturayman]

If we don't get Reimu in Smash but get a Switch-exclusive Touhou 17.8 fighting game instead, with multiple fan-favorites and Kirby as a guest character in an inverted Smash situation, I'd be perfectly okay with it.
Setting realistic standards, I'd want a SWR/Hisotensoku port, an AoCF port, and a Gouyoku Ibun port. Out of the Touhou games, I think these would be the best casual-friendly entry points.

Touhou 17.5 (which isn't done yet, from what I recall) is a platformer too, which could be a pretty nice game for people to jump in. I don't expect it to be ported to Switch when it's possibly done but it'd be a pretty cool way to help garner more interest in the series with a more known genre.

 

[VicAdward]

Hey, I just realized:

If when Reimu does get announced for Smash, do you think Maximilian Dood would get a kick out of the Touhou fighting games?

can't wait for his Rate Their Spellcard video

 

[Lasatar]

Touhou 17.5 (which isn't done yet, from what I recall) is a platformer too, which could be a pretty nice game for people to jump in. I don't expect it to be ported to Switch when it's possibly done but it'd be a pretty cool way to help garner more interest in the series with a more known genre.

I wouldn't call Gouyoku Ibun a platformer. It's more like if you were to take one of the fighting games and then simplify literally everything about it. And frankly, I don't think it really works. The demo has a lot of problems. Unless the full version fixes those problems, I definitely don't think it will work as a starting point for new fans.

Personally, if someone wanted to get into Touhou but wasn't interested in the bullet hell games, I would probably recommend they start with ULiL and AoCF. The gameplay is honestly pretty simple as far as fighting games go, and the story and dialogue isn't random nonsense like in the early years of Touhou, making it less likely that they'll end up confused about what's going on. It also would help familiarise them with a good number of the more important characters.

Fortunately AoCF is likely being brought to the Switch, so hopefully it can serve as a decent entry point even without having ULiL set the scene first (despite being its own story, AoCF kinda just picks up where ULiL left off, so playing AoCF without playing ULiL first might be a little confusing). Ideally we need the Switch version of AoCF to have a recreation of ULiL's story mode to avoid that

 

[ZeldaPlayer87]

Even if the leak is fake, if ZUN mentioned wanting Reimu in Smash, that’s enough to at least open a door to her inclusion. He put himself out there, and I feel like that’s enough for a line of communication to be opened between the two parties.

 

[Ayumi Tachibana]

Sponsor X twitter account.
https://twitter.com/danmakuJP

 

[GolisoPower]

Sponsor X twitter account.
https://twitter.com/danmakuJP

Hey, you don't suppose we can predict who Sponsor X could be based on how they write in their Twitter account, right? Because I dunno why, but that first post seems a bit...I dunno what words to put it, is "whimsical" the right word considering the yukkuri?

 

[Blankiturayman]

I wouldn't call Gouyoku Ibun a platformer. It's more like if you were to take one of the fighting games and then simplify literally everything about it. And frankly, I don't think it really works. The demo has a lot of problems. Unless the full version fixes those problems, I definitely don't think it will work as a starting point for new fans.

Personally, if someone wanted to get into Touhou but wasn't interested in the bullet hell games, I would probably recommend they start with ULiL and AoCF. The gameplay is honestly pretty simple as far as fighting games go, and the story and dialogue isn't random nonsense like in the early years of Touhou, making it less likely that they'll end up confused about what's going on. It also would help familiarise them with a good number of the more important characters.

Fortunately AoCF is likely being brought to the Switch, so hopefully it can serve as a decent entry point even without having ULiL set the scene first (despite being its own story, AoCF kinda just picks up where ULiL left off, so playing AoCF without playing ULiL first might be a little confusing). Ideally we need the Switch version of AoCF to have a recreation of ULiL's story mode to avoid that

Yeah, you're right. Both ULiL and AoCF are pretty intuitive for new players; so they'd work pretty well. My bad though, admittedly I only played Gouyoku Ibun for a bit when the first beta came out and just took the "sidescroller" theme from it, I suppose that'd have been a better word than "platformer". But maybe not as much. Either way yeah I suppose the fighters would work better if not starting from one of the main games from the start.

 

[Troykv]

Sponsor X twitter account.
https://twitter.com/danmakuJP

What is exactly this BTW?

 

[Lyncario]

What is exactly this BTW?

Sponsor X is a company that has been sponsoring Touhou since 2019. That's pretty much all we know about it.

 

[PurpleXCompleX]

Touhou Garakuta held a giveaway last year to guess who Mysterious Sponsor X is supposed to be.
They are going to reveal their identity sometime this year.

Also they are not necessarily sponsoring Touhou, but Touhou Station and Touhou Garakuta afaik.

 

[SharkLord]

What is exactly this BTW?

Apparently, there's an unknown Touhou sponsor since last year who's identity is to be revealed some time this year. I'm sure a lot of us here are hoping it's Nintendo, not just for Smash, but because a lot of us want to play Touhou on the Switch.

 

[GolisoPower]

Everyone, considering past events, our purpose must be made clear.

We have to break Smash for any possible hint at the next fighter.

Whether it's anything related to Peach's glide, something to do with Palutena's staff, or Villager having a glitch involving pocketed projectiles, we need to do our best to find any glitch that could possibly hint at our next fighter. And if it's Reimu, good on us.

 

[SharkLord]

What would you consider to be an absolutely integral part of Reimu's moveset? For example, we all know there'll be the gohei, flight and projectiles are most likely, etc., but what do you think is absolutely necessary or very likely for Reimu, and what would be unnecessary?

 

[GolisoPower]

What would you consider to be an absolutely integral part of Reimu's moveset? For example, we all know there'll be the gohei, flight and projectiles are most likely, etc., but what do you think is absolutely necessary or very likely for Reimu, and what would be unnecessary?

I'd say Focus Mode is a must have for the moveset. It's always been your best friend in the Touhou games, and not having Focus Mode would be a travesty.

 

[Lasatar]

What would you consider to be an absolutely integral part of Reimu's moveset? For example, we all know there'll be the gohei, flight and projectiles are most likely, etc., but what do you think is absolutely necessary or very likely for Reimu, and what would be unnecessary?

Youkai Buster is pretty much her signature move in the fighting games by now, and I'd be very surprised and disappointed if they didn't include it in her Smash moveset. Likewise, she's always had a kind of barrier move that serves to control space, which I definitely think should be in her moveset as well. Whether they use Cautionary Border from the older fighting games or Field Talisman from the newer ones doesn't really matter, since they serve roughly the same purpose. Oh yeah, and she needs Ascension Kick at least somewhere. It could work well as an Up Special, Up Smash, or even Up Air.

I think it'd be cool if they pulled a Terry and let her use spellcards during the match after meeting certain conditions, but I don't think that that's necessary by any means. I do think that she will 100% get Fantasy Seal in her moveset somewhere, but it'll more than likely just be her Final Smash.

 

[GolisoPower]

Youkai Buster is pretty much her signature move in the fighting games by now, and I'd be very surprised and disappointed if they didn't include it in her Smash moveset. Likewise, she's always had a kind of barrier move that serves to control space, which I definitely think should be in her moveset as well. Whether they use Cautionary Border from the older fighting games or Field Talisman from the newer ones doesn't really matter, since they serve roughly the same purpose. Oh yeah, and she needs Ascension Kick at least somewhere. It could work well as an Up Special, Up Smash, or even Up Air.

I think it'd be cool if they pulled a Terry and let her use spellcards during the match after meeting certain conditions, but I don't think that that's necessary by any means. I do think that she will 100% get Fantasy Seal in her moveset somewhere, but it'll more than likely just be her Final Smash.

My own Reimu moveset actually had Ascension Kick as an Up Air, actually. Also, she should also have her Dimensional Rift as a Down Special or something.

As for the Terry thing, I could potentially see that, as that's how Spell Cards have historically worked in the series. Get down to a certain point of health and unleash a powerful move and all that.

 

[SharkLord]

My own Reimu moveset actually had Ascension Kick as an Up Air, actually. Also, she should also have her Dimensional Rift as a Down Special or something.

As for the Terry thing, I could potentially see that, as that's how Spell Cards have historically worked in the series. Get down to a certain point of health and unleash a powerful move and all that.

Mine was going to have an Ascension Kick up air, but seeing it in action made me think it was better as an up special, based on the little but of vertical mobility she got. The idea was to have her up special not have much mobility, thanks to her flight mechanic.

As for the spell cards, do you think they should work like the bombs in the shooters or a desperation move like in the fighters? Or should they be confined to the final smash, depending on how gimmicky Reimu is?

 

[GolisoPower]

Mine was going to have an Ascension Kick up air, but seeing it in action made me think it was better as an up special, based on the little but of vertical mobility she got. The idea was to have her up special not have much mobility, thanks to her flight mechanic.

As for the spell cards, do you think they should work like the bombs in the shooters or a desperation move like in the fighters? Or should they be confined to the final smash, depending on how gimmicky Reimu is?

I think Spell Cards would be like the bombs in the SHMUPs. If Sakurai was gonna get Reimu in this, she'd probably take more from the SHMUPs than the fighting games. I mean, we all thought Joker would take multiple things from Persona 4 Arena, and look what happened. Not to bash on Joker, though, I think he's a fun character, I'm just saying that if Sakurai couldn't make Joker into a P4A character in Smash, then I kinda doubt that he'll heavily focus on the fighters.

 

[VicAdward]

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Is this Abandoned Line "Aimless Journey to the Abandoned Station" ?

 

[SharkLord]

I think Spell Cards would be like the bombs in the SHMUPs. If Sakurai was gonna get Reimu in this, she'd probably take more from the SHMUPs than the fighting games. I mean, we all thought Joker would take multiple things from Persona 4 Arena, and look what happened. Not to bash on Joker, though, I think he's a fun character, I'm just saying that if Sakurai couldn't make Joker into a P4A character in Smash, then I kinda doubt that he'll heavily focus on the fighters.

Yeah, I image the fighting games would supply her normals more than her specials. Maybe a couple other things, like the air dashing, and how the flight and grazing works.

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Is this Abandoned Line "Aimless Journey to the Abandoned Station" ?

If Mementos isn't a part of Yukari's Spirit Battle, we riot.

 

[zriL]

Apparently, there's an unknown Touhou sponsor since last year who's identity is to be revealed some time this year. I'm sure a lot of us here are hoping it's Nintendo, not just for Smash, but because a lot of us want to play Touhou on the Switch.

I don't really see Nintendo doing this kind of pre-announcement effect. They don't like to announce stuff in general, especially nowadays they are even more wary of leaks. But honestly, I don't see any big editor doing this kind of thing, so in my opinion it's probably a random medium-size sponsor that nobody knows. But then this kind of secret identity game will probably fall flat if it's not something famous enough. I really don't understand this, it doesn't make much sense to me.

 

[Ace C.R.O.S.S.]

Welp, i decided to try and bought Touhou Azure Reflections. Is it good?

 

[perfectchaos83]

I don't really see Nintendo doing this kind of pre-announcement effect. They don't like to announce stuff in general, especially nowadays they are even more wary of leaks. But honestly, I don't see any big editor doing this kind of thing, so in my opinion it's probably a random medium-size sponsor that nobody knows. But then this kind of secret identity game will probably fall flat if it's not something famous enough. I really don't understand this, it doesn't make much sense to me.

I mean, it has to be something. I don't see it as a nobody publisher, then the guessing game and hype would be pointless, especially with ZUN trying to expand the series audience. IMO, the identity has to be some form of known quantity. Based on the Twitter, expanding the series is thier goal here, so it really does imply there's some form of financial backing. Also, given thier presence at that China convention, I'd also say they have an interest in the Chinese market too. It's definitely an intriguing mystery.

Welp, i decided to try and bought Touhou Azure Reflections. Is it good?

It's not bad. It's also not the best. It's basically a "remake" of Embodiment of the Scarlet Devil. On Switch, I'd say the best Touhou games are Genso Wanderer and Luna Nights (this one's not released yet)

 

[SharkLord]

I mean, it has to be something. I don't see it as a nobody publisher, then the guessing game and hype would be pointless, especially with ZUN trying to expand the series audience. IMO, the identity has to be some form of known quantity. Based on the Twitter, expanding the series is thier goal here, so it really does imply there's some form of financial backing. Also, given thier presence at that China convention, I'd also say they have an interest in the Chinese market too. It's definitely an intriguing mystery.



It's not bad. It's also not the best. It's basically a "remake" of Embodiment of the Scarlet Devil. On Switch, I'd say the best Touhou games are Genso Wanderer and Luna Nights (this one's not released yet)[/QUOTE]
Wait a minute
Wait a minute
Luna Nights is coming to Switch?!

 

[Sc_Ev0lution]

They announced Luna Nights for Switch last year and haven't given any updates since

 

[gavtel]

Back when they announced it for Switch last year, Cirno showed up in the Switch trailer and since the PC version's already had its final update (with Reimu being added), it's probably safe to presume Cirno's Switch-exclusive (not sure if the trailer outright stated that since the only trailers I can actually find by looking it up on YouTube are the PC versions (though there is a screenshot of the Cirno fight on Siliconera's article on Luna Nights coming to Switch)). The Luna Nights version of Beloved Tomboyish Girl was included with the soundtrack on Steam so people have already uploaded it to YouTube.

 

[perfectchaos83]

Back when they announced it for Switch last year, Cirno showed up in the Switch trailer and since the PC version's already had its final update (with Reimu being added), it's probably safe to presume Cirno's Switch-exclusive (not sure if the trailer outright stated that since the only trailers I can actually find by looking it up on YouTube are the PC versions (though there is a screenshot of the Cirno fight on Siliconera's article on Luna Nights coming to Switch)). The Luna Nights version of Beloved Tomboyish Girl was included with the soundtrack on Steam so people have already uploaded it to YouTube.

Cirno's sprites and Switch controller sprites were also in that update in the files of the final update.

 

[GolisoPower]

Back when they announced it for Switch last year, Cirno showed up in the Switch trailer and since the PC version's already had its final update (with Reimu being added), it's probably safe to presume Cirno's Switch-exclusive (not sure if the trailer outright stated that since the only trailers I can actually find by looking it up on YouTube are the PC versions (though there is a screenshot of the Cirno fight on Siliconera's article on Luna Nights coming to Switch)). The Luna Nights version of Beloved Tomboyish Girl was included with the soundtrack on Steam so people have already uploaded it to YouTube.

It's been a whole year since Luna Nights was announced???

It looks pretty fun, I'll say that right now, but what exactly is taking them so long? Is it difficult to turn PC controls into Switch controls? Are they finding it difficult to implement Cirno? Like, what's going on here?

 

[Sc_Ev0lution]

It could be any number of things: Corona, programming challenges, personal or other real life incidents.

But until the devs come out with an update, all we can do is speculate. Much like smash newcomers

 

[SharkLord]

It could be any number of things: Corona, programming challenges, personal or other real life incidents.

But until the devs come out with an update, all we can do is speculate. Much like smash newcomers

To be fair, I hear the Switch has a much different architecture than contemporary consoles or PCs, making it a bit trickier to port some games. Team Ladybug is also working on Deedlit in Wonder Labyrinth at the moment, so I'd assume that's taking up most of their attention right now.

 

[PurpleXCompleX]

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Flowering Night 2020 (music event) happens via live broadcast. (7/4 (Sat) 15:30 JP Time)
No audience. But ZUN will attend.

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As always, keep your expectations low, but Sponsor X was retweeting the event as well and even made their own Tweet of Yukkuri Reimu talking about the event happening on the day.

EDIT: The thing will be streamed on YouTube and NicoNico but Sponsor X is going to stream the same broadcast via Periscope on their Twitter.

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[zferolie]

Why are they taking so long to announce who sponser X is? think it will happens soon, like when the touhou doujin event was gonna happen? Thats in auguest right?

 

[GolisoPower]

Why are they taking so long to announce who sponser X is? think it will happens soon, like when the touhou doujin event was gonna happen? Thats in auguest right?

Maybe they wanted some things to be out of the way first?

Like perhaps...waiting for some time after Min Min is out?

 

[SharkLord]

Why are they taking so long to announce who sponser X is? think it will happens soon, like when the touhou doujin event was gonna happen? Thats in auguest right?

Maybe they planned to announce it at Reitaisai before it got cancelled by COVID, thus necessitating the delay. It's the official Touhou convention, so it would be the logical place to drop a big announcement, right?

 

[zriL]

Maybe Sponsor X is a new organization surrounding Touhou, and it's actually called Sponsor X.

Lol...

 

[PK-remling Fire]

Sponsor X's twitter account makes me pretty sure it's not Nintendo. Advertising themselves in that way seems very off brand for them.

However, I feel that there's a good chance that Sponsor X is going to be very recognizable, at least to the japanese market, and that they're waiting to reveal their identity to coincide with the announcement of a new project involving the Touhou IP.

The whole thing seems very much like a PR move to build hype for something, though what it's for remains to be seen.

 

[GolisoPower]

Sponsor X's twitter account makes me pretty sure it's not Nintendo. Advertising themselves in that way seems very off brand for them.

However, I feel that there's a good chance that Sponsor X is going to be very recognizable, at least to the japanese market, and that they're waiting to reveal their identity to coincide with the announcement of a new project involving the Touhou IP.

The whole thing seems very much like a PR move to build hype for something, though what it's for remains to be seen.

Right, but Nintendo is like the video game equivalent of Willy Wonka.

They're whimsical and unpredictable. You don't know what the hell they'll do next. The way Sponsor X makes their tweets gives me that sort of Nintendo feeling for some reason. Maybe it's the Yukkuri Reimu, or something, I dunno.

 

[Sc_Ev0lution]

IMO, if Sponsor X really were Nintendo, we wouldn't know them as Sponsor X. Better put, if Nintendo wanted to sponsor Touhou in some way, we wouldn't know about it until they wanted us to. Nintendo usually plays their cards closer to their chest than this.