Shrine Maiden of Paradise ~ Reimu Hakurei (Touhou Project)

[Deleted member]

Can anyone verify if this is true?
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The leaked photo could have been made with Photoshop so...

 

[F. Blue]

The leaked photo could have been made with Photoshop so...

but for it to be accurate to the original? Are we talking about compression or the same image at a higher resolution? I suppose it's possible it was run through a filter like Waifu2x, but we might be able to examine to see if that's the case. Does anyone have both versions of the image?

 

[Deleted member]

but for it to be accurate to the original? Are we talking about compression or the same image at a higher resolution? I suppose it's possible it was run through a filter like Waifu2x, but we might be able to examine to see if that's the case. Does anyone have both versions of the image?

I don't have both.

 

[perfectchaos83]

I love the chaos, personally. Everything surrounding the Grinch leak last year was a hell of a time.

Grinch leak was fun for a couple days, then it turned to **** and really showed the worst of the Smash community. I'm glad I took a neutral (leaning fake) stance throughout the whole thing. Then again, I'm probably one of the few who felt absolutely nothing from any of the characters on that leak.

Can anyone verify if this is true?
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I compared too, but I didn't see any noticeable difference in Quality. However, I'm no expert in that regard.

 

[Deleted member]

Grinch leak was fun for a couple days, then it turned to **** and really showed the worst of the Smash community. I'm glad I took a neutral (leaning fake) stance throughout the whole thing. Then again, I'm probably one of the few who felt absolutely nothing from any of the characters on that leak.

Hehe, same. It really showed that people were seriously going to great lengths if their character didn';t make it.

perhaps the same could be said of your wishes for the Fighters Pass

 

[Ayumi Tachibana]

Looks pretty much the same to me.

 

[F. Blue]

https://i.imgur.com/Gz0KC5y.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/31hhPUv.jpg
Looks pretty much the same to me.

Which is which?

 

[Ayumi Tachibana]

Which is which?

Above from Tasofro, below from the leaker.

 

[perfectchaos83]

I did some comparing. There are very minute differences. Particularly the Orange is more washed out on the leaker's copy. Again, I'm no expert. So I don't know what that means.

EDIT: I also think there's more artifacts on the leaker's copy.

 

[F. Blue]

At first it looks like there are more artifacts on the leaker's copy

But when I examined further I found this:

Weird artifacts present in the Twitter post that are completely smooth in the leaker's image.

Not sure what to make of this. Most forms of compression add artifacts, not smooth them out. My guess is that Tasofro and the leaker used the same source image and added their own unique compression. Twitter always compresses uploaded images, and the leaker would have to compress after cropping.

Unless anyone more knowledgeable on compression can explain this I think the leaker's image came from the source.

 

[perfectchaos83]

At first it looks like there are more artifacts on the leaker's copy
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But when I examined further I found this:
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Weird artifacts present in the Twitter post that are completely smooth in the leaker's image.

Not sure what to make of this. Most forms of compression add artifacts, not smooth them out. My guess is that Tasofro and the leaker used the same source image and added their own unique compression. Twitter always compresses uploaded images, and the leaker would have to compress after cropping.

Unless anyone more knowledgeable on compression can explain this I think the leaker's image came from the source.

Well, This is certainly something. I don't know any photo experts who can answer this question. But from my admittedly little experience and knowledge, this would suggest that they were compressed independently of each other

 

[zferolie]

Man we are looking at pixels now? Wow we need some news stat

 

[perfectchaos83]

Man we are looking at pixels now? Wow we need some news stat

To be fair, compression helps tell a story. When people were adamant about the Grinch Leak being true they used a strange green pixel on Little Mac's shoe when the banner on the website glitched to prove Isaac was actually there. Due to the way compression works (Image was saved at least 4 times), it was just determined to be a compressed pixel and producing it was repeatable.

The fact that both images seem to have compressions unique to each other at the very least brings up the possibility that they were saved independently of each other.

 

[sam☆jam]

Girls do their best and are now preparing.
Please wait warmly until Reimu’s smash reveal trailer is ready,

 

[Deleted member]

Girls do their best and are now preparing.
Please wait warmly until Reimu’s smash reveal trailer is ready,

If you can't see it: it's the "advance ako mag-isip" meme

 

[Hinata]

Y'all wanna hear something interesting?

@ReimuForSmash Possible new evidence for Touhou Smash leak. The leaker's credibility was called into question because the concept art (for Touhou not Smash) he "leaked" was already posted by the developers on Twitter. However examination suggests Twitter was not the source. pic.twitter.com/jjPrs3tg1t

— mBluett (@mBluettArt) October 25, 2019

Apparently that Touhou leaker who made the claims abt Touhou remixes for Smash did indeed leak the screens of Touhou 17.5, and the explanation of "it came from the dev's twitter when they posted it" doesn't hold water.

(this is a thread btw, more than just the one tweet u see here)

 

[perfectchaos83]

Y'all wanna hear something interesting?

@ReimuForSmash Possible new evidence for Touhou Smash leak. The leaker's credibility was called into question because the concept art (for Touhou not Smash) he "leaked" was already posted by the developers on Twitter. However examination suggests Twitter was not the source. pic.twitter.com/jjPrs3tg1t

— mBluett (@mBluettArt) October 25, 2019

Apparently that Touhou leaker who made the claims abt Touhou remixes for Smash did indeed leak the screens of Touhou 17.5, and the explanation of "it came from the dev's twitter when they posted it" doesn't hold water.

(this is a thread btw, more than just the one tweet u see here)

Yeah, It was discussed. By the looks of it, none of us here know all too much about compression to make a definitive statement one way or another.

 

[Exiliify]

Y'all wanna hear something interesting?

@ReimuForSmash Possible new evidence for Touhou Smash leak. The leaker's credibility was called into question because the concept art (for Touhou not Smash) he "leaked" was already posted by the developers on Twitter. However examination suggests Twitter was not the source. pic.twitter.com/jjPrs3tg1t

— mBluett (@mBluettArt) October 25, 2019

Apparently that Touhou leaker who made the claims abt Touhou remixes for Smash did indeed leak the screens of Touhou 17.5, and the explanation of "it came from the dev's twitter when they posted it" doesn't hold water.

(this is a thread btw, more than just the one tweet u see here)

He didn't leak the image. He never claimed being the original leaker.

 

[perfectchaos83]

He didn't leak the image.

I'd argue the point isn't that he leaked the image, he obviously didn't. What this opens up is that the only public image of this doesn't seem to be the source of the image the AoCF guy used.

 

[Deleted member]

Y'all wanna hear something interesting?

@ReimuForSmash Possible new evidence for Touhou Smash leak. The leaker's credibility was called into question because the concept art (for Touhou not Smash) he "leaked" was already posted by the developers on Twitter. However examination suggests Twitter was not the source. pic.twitter.com/jjPrs3tg1t

— mBluett (@mBluettArt) October 25, 2019

Apparently that Touhou leaker who made the claims abt Touhou remixes for Smash did indeed leak the screens of Touhou 17.5, and the explanation of "it came from the dev's twitter when they posted it" doesn't hold water.

(this is a thread btw, more than just the one tweet u see here)

*tries to scour the picture for any void pixels*

Nope, nothing here. IT does look fishy, but it's too vague.

 

[Exiliify]

I'd argue the point isn't that he leaked the image, he obviously didn't. What this opens up is that the only public image of this doesn't seem to be the source of the image the AoCF guy used.

I know i was helping to clarify that he wasn't

 

[Deleted member]

Judging from the situation form here, I still have doubts over this leak. I may or may not be sure if pixels have any correlation with the validity of the leak but it's kinda fishy if you look at it.

 

[zferolie]

To be fair, compression helps tell a story. When people were adamant about the Grinch Leak being true they used a strange green pixel on Little Mac's shoe when the banner on the website glitched to prove Isaac was actually there. Due to the way compression works (Image was saved at least 4 times), it was just determined to be a compressed pixel and producing it was repeatable.

The fact that both images seem to have compressions unique to each other at the very least brings up the possibility that they were saved independently of each other.

I was mostly joking. Yes this does help show that they got the inage from somewhere other then that twitter post, but really it doesnt get us closer to proving or disproving Reimu.

 

[Deleted member]

I was mostly joking. Yes this does help show that they got the inage from somewhere other then that twitter post, but really it doesnt get us closer to proving or disproving Reimu.

Damn, I really wish I could turn this into a statistics problem where the correlation has something to do with the line of best-fit.

Or, y'know, it doesn;t have a direct impact on proving or disproving.

 

[Exiliify]

I was mostly joking. Yes this does help show that they got the inage from somewhere other then that twitter post, but really it doesnt get us closer to proving or disproving Reimu.

Hopefully this helps people understand that the leaker didn't lie about the sketch.

 

[zferolie]

seems like papagenos is talking about the KOS-MOS leak, that was also mentioning Reimu as well. Did someone here say that was dead though? did I miss something?

 

[perfectchaos83]

seems like papagenos is talking about the KOS-MOS leak, that was also mentioning Reimu as well. Did someone here say that was dead though? did I miss something?

It's a leak that, as of now, exists in purgatory. There's a possibility of it being an imposter but, for now, it's unproven.

Basically, It's connected to a legit leak but the possibility of it being a piggy back does exist

 

[Deleted member]

It's a leak that, as of now, exists in purgatory. There's a possibility of it being an imposter but, for now, it's unproven.

Basically, It's connected to a legit leak but the possibility of it being a piggy back does exist

You're right, because if he knew if this info, why didn't he come forward and spill the beans?

 

[perfectchaos83]

You're right, because if he knew if this info, why didn't he come forward and spill the beans?

To be fair, You're not always going to have all the information at Hand. Look at Verge. He didn't know the whole fighter pass last december, but he's slowly gotten more and more info.

 

[Deleted member]

To be fair, You're not always going to have all the information at Hand. Look at Verge. He didn't know the whole fighter pass last december, but he's slowly gotten more and more info.

I see then.

 

[Exiliify]

seems like papagenos is talking about the KOS-MOS leak, that was also mentioning Reimu as well. Did someone here say that was dead though? did I miss something?

The issue with that is the leak says that the characters are going to be Kos-mos for fifth fighter, Reimu and Ryu are post-pass right after. They reference an original leak with the codenames of Hero "Brave" and Banjo "Buddy". In the 2nd post, the codenames were never listed for Kos-mos, Reimu, and Ryu. Also the user apparently used the same picture of drunk cat, known the "Drunk Cat leak" in the Reimu for smash discord. The biggest problem is there isn't really anything to back the user's claim and is most likely an impersonator trying to impersonate an old post. This is why i and a few others think its fake, but it could be real.

How is it dead?

Sorry for not replying sooner

 

[Deleted member]

The issue with that is the leak says that the characters are going to be Kos-mos for fifth fighter, Reimu and Ryu are post-pass right after. They reference an original leak with the codenames of Hero "Brave" and Banjo "Buddy". In the 2nd post, the codenames were never listed for Kos-mos, Reimu, and Ryu. Also the user apparently used the same picture of drunk cat, known the "Drunk Cat leak" in the Reimu for smash discord. The biggest problem is there isn't really anything to back the user's claim and is most likely an impersonator trying to impersonate an old post. This is why i and a few others think its fake, but it could be real.

Anyone can just put up that drunk cat picture for fun and kinks, y'now, so I wouldn't say it's 100% credible.

 

[Ayumi Tachibana]

Y'all wanna hear something interesting?

@ReimuForSmash Possible new evidence for Touhou Smash leak. The leaker's credibility was called into question because the concept art (for Touhou not Smash) he "leaked" was already posted by the developers on Twitter. However examination suggests Twitter was not the source. pic.twitter.com/jjPrs3tg1t

— mBluett (@mBluettArt) October 25, 2019

Apparently that Touhou leaker who made the claims abt Touhou remixes for Smash did indeed leak the screens of Touhou 17.5, and the explanation of "it came from the dev's twitter when they posted it" doesn't hold water.

(this is a thread btw, more than just the one tweet u see here)

I'm not an expert on this matter.
However I have to say that the image from the leaker was quickly deleted by the leaker himself and reuploaded immediately by someone else. This doesn't help but I can confirm the reuploaded image was the same as the leaker uploaded earlier. I was there at that moment.
And the post I made earlier comparing the two images were also reuploaded files on my end. So they are not the originals.

 

[perfectchaos83]

I'm not an expert on this matter.
However I have to say that the image from the leaker was quickly deleted by the leaker himself and reuploaded immediately by someone else. This doesn't help but I can confirm the reuploaded image was the same as the leaker uploaded earlier. I was there at that moment.
And the post I made earlier comparing the two images were also reuploaded files on my end. So they are not the originals.

Ok then, let's get as "original" as possible

F. Blue (I think you're the one who did the amateur analysis)

Here's the original reupload from the 5ch thread in August

https://i.imgur.com/qc6Jyr4.jpg

Here's the image from the tweet

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dr9XVHcVAAIOO8D?format=jpg&name=small

 

[Guritsu]

So wait, excuse me if I'm getting this wrong but to my understanding, does this mean that the AoCF leaker actually managed to get that picture from a place he shouldn't have been able to unless he had ties to Tasofro? Doesn't that actually lend credibility to his leaks since that image wasn't originally public knowledge? Or am I misunderstanding things.

 

[perfectchaos83]

So wait, excuse me if I'm getting this wrong but to my understanding, does this mean that the AoCF leaker actually managed to get that picture from a place he shouldn't have been able to unless he had ties to Tasofro? Doesn't that actually lend credibility to his leaks since that image wasn't originally public knowledge? Or am I misunderstanding things.

That's the implication, yes. However, it seems none of us here are actually 100% privy to how compression works, so it's only a theory/hypothesis right now. We'd actually need someone who knows what they're doing to give that answer.

 

[Guritsu]

That's the implication, yes. However, it seems none of us here are actually 100% privy to how compression works, so it's only a theory/hypothesis right now. We'd actually need someone who knows what they're doing to give that answer.

Fair enough, I'll wait for further developments on this, but if it turns out this actually is a leaked image then it looks like this leak might not've been debunked at all. Bloody hell, almost every week now we've had some form of development for Reimu's chances when she previously seemed impossible. I hope this is one of them.

I still remember when the SNK leak happened and people tied that leak to one of the other leaks about Nakoruru being in Smash over Reimu, essentially deconfirming her chances of being in the game (at least for Ultimate). When that got debunked by Terry's own trailer my mindset went from "Reimu's a pipedream" to "Reimu's actually got a fighting chance now". Here's to hoping our girl's chances will only get stronger as the DLC rolls out.

 

[ArchRanger]

Honestly with Hayabusha and Crash ruled out, Geno hinted towards the far future, and KOS-MOS leak turned into a prediction, my money is one Reimu for FP5 since it’s the only leak with a leg to stand on. Seems like the leakers can’t commit to a character so it might be a secure character which would lead to why none of them have heard her mentioned. So that’s what I’m going with for now. I could see a Capcom or Bandai character coming out of left field but I feel like bigger third party companies like that would have a harder time keeping a secret under wraps compared to a indie one like Touho/ZUN. Just my opinion though.

 

[zferolie]

We are at a moment where something is going to give soon. We know Terry is happening in november, and i feel it may be early November, perhaps before the north American smash tournament. We will get all the Terry info then, and very possible we get the 5th then.

Some people say they will wait till the game awards, but i think they may use the gane awards to start the next batch of characters, to truely start the hype going.

 

[KarneraMythos]

Honestly with Hayabusha and Crash ruled out, Geno hinted towards the far future, and KOS-MOS leak turned into a prediction, my money is one Reimu for FP5 since it’s the only leak with a leg to stand on. Seems like the leakers can’t commit to a character so it might be a secure character which would lead to why none of them have heard her mentioned. So that’s what I’m going with for now. I could see a Capcom or Bandai character coming out of left field but I feel like bigger third party companies like that would have a harder time keeping a secret under wraps compared to a indie one like Touho/ZUN. Just my opinion though.

Unpopular opinion, but I hope that the Drunken Cat leak turns out to be a miraculous truth rather than another hair-brained scheme like all Inspect Element leaks tend to go for Kosy. Her inclusion as Fighter #5 means we still get Reimu anyway, albeit a little later than most of us want. At the same time, this also doesn't debunk the current speculation behind Reimu and the doujin circle content either. The leaks could very well be real, with plenty of music as well. I can wait for Reimu if it means getting KOS-MOS. They're my top 2 right now so it'd be a win-win for me.

We are at a moment where something is going to give soon. We know Terry is happening in november, and i feel it may be early November, perhaps before the north American smash tournament. We will get all the Terry info then, and very possible we get the 5th then.

Some people say they will wait till the game awards, but i think they may use the gane awards to start the next batch of characters, to truely start the hype going.

Alternatively, Terry gets his own presentation during a Direct, which will lead into the Game Awards announcing the first "Pass 2" character later in December. I'm going off by the circumstances behind Hero, and the Nintendo Direct we had in September which gave us Terry's teaser and Banjo's presentation later that day. It's either one or the other at this point, with #5 most likely being announced within a Direct as opposed to any other option.