Rie Sonomura
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Talking about Touhou music more broadly, it never ceases to impress me with how good it is. Sure, you could argue it's held up beyond it's measure by a sizeable community of remixers, but I think that undersells ZUN's original compositions. For a self taught composer he's got an impressive ear for coming up with tunes that are both catchy and technically impressive, even if he does borrow musical ideas from time to time. Not only that, it's impressive, to me at least, that he's been able to maintain that level of output for ~20 years and ~20 games. Maybe that's to be expected among established games composers in the industry, but at least that should mean ZUN ranks alongside the other household names (basically, all the people who make tracks for smash lol).
Maybe the order ends up being controversial, but I've made a ranking of the best osts in the series:
On the whole, I think most of the games in the series have music that's not only above average but downright excellent. The ones near the top have iconic track after iconic track, it's kinda unreal how many hits in a row some of these games have when you sit down and look at them. IMO, there isn't a single track in IN that isn't great. And even at their weakest, Touhou osts aren't unpleasant to listen to, and there still are a handful of great songs. Probably the only exception is HRtP; maybe it's because it's the first in the series, but it's the most meh overall, even if there are still some good songs in it.
idk, there's so much good music and it's seemingly so easy to get ahold of, even with 50 tracks to match Terry I'm sure there'd be glaring omissions. Quick math: only counting stage and character themes, you've got 14 for 6-17 (except 9), plus the Phantasm stage in PCB and the alternate themes in stage 4 and 6 in IN for a total of 144. Then you have to add in the PC98 games, the fighting games, the other official spin-offs, and the menu & ending themes, and the total approaches, what, around 200? probably more than that. Even accepting a lot of those tracks probably aren't of the caliber to be included in smash, you probably would whittle the list down to 80 or 100 and even then start marking tough decisions. I'd give it a try, but, uh, busy atm, maybe later lol.
Yeeeeeeeah boi.PCB in S
PCB is an easy top 3, but half the series is in S tier lol.Yeeeeeeeah boi.
Space Invaders could be another deluxe mii costume.Hi.
Taito appeared in Smash since Sm4sh, but there is no representation of Space Invaders, which I consider curious. In three DLC, the Squenix newcomers didn't contribute any Taito Costume. I wondered if Taito could appear, then I discovered a little proximity between Zun and Taito. That's why I hope a Space Invaders mask can appear as a Mii Costume content with Reimu Hakurei as a fighter. Good luck to her, I support.
On the topic of TaitoHi.
Taito appeared in Smash since Sm4sh, but there is no representation of Space Invaders, which I consider curious. In three DLC, the Squenix newcomers didn't contribute any Taito Costume. I wondered if Taito could appear, then I discovered a little proximity between Zun and Taito. That's why I hope a Space Invaders mask can appear as a Mii Costume content with Reimu Hakurei as a fighter. Good luck to her, I support.
Taito to Touhou
• Taito sells Touhou goodies.
• Zun was employed for 9 years at Taito.
• Reimu and Yuyuko apeared as guests in Lord of Vermillion, a game on Taito Arcade system.*
• Zun refers to Space Invaders in Touhou Seirensen Star Lotus Ship ~ Undefined Fantastic Object.*
• Taito rep and Touhou rep met in the games Magic Pengel and Graffiti Kingdom.*
• Taito made the fangame Touhou Spell Bubble.
• Touhou participates a lot in the Groove Coaster series. View attachment 296954
• Zun agrees that Zuntata, Taito's sound team (unrelated to Zun) remix songs. Zuntata (Cosio, Masaki...) also made six music remixes in Ultimate: Kapp'n's Song, The Mysterious Murasame Castle Medley, Wii Shop Channel (Remix), Staff Credits - Kirby's Dream Land, We Are Robots (Dr.Wily Stage 2) and Splattack! (Remix).
We might get more indie mii costumes if Reimu makes it in.what if Reimu comes with a frick ton of indie costumes???
including the Hollow Knight costume from the LoL rumor and/or Among Us Crewmate
I take it this doesn't include Travis as an indieoh crap
you know what i just realized
we haven't had a single indie mii costume with any fighters this pass.
the only ones we've had so far are Sans with Terry and Cuphead with Byleth in pass 1
what if Reimu comes with a frick ton of indie costumes???
including the Hollow Knight costume from the LoL rumor and/or Among Us Crewmate
A few weeks ago I've done a ranking of every song from the mainline Windows games. Afterwards I calculated their average placement and ranked them all in a big tier list. Even though I immediately regretted some decisions I think this still ended up as a pretty accurate representation of my taste.Talking about Touhou music more broadly, it never ceases to impress me with how good it is. Sure, you could argue it's held up beyond it's measure by a sizeable community of remixers, but I think that undersells ZUN's original compositions. For a self taught composer he's got an impressive ear for coming up with tunes that are both catchy and technically impressive, even if he does borrow musical ideas from time to time. Not only that, it's impressive, to me at least, that he's been able to maintain that level of output for ~20 years and ~20 games. Maybe that's to be expected among established games composers in the industry, but at least that should mean ZUN ranks alongside the other household names (basically, all the people who make tracks for smash lol).
Maybe the order ends up being controversial, but I've made a ranking of the best osts in the series:
On the whole, I think most of the games in the series have music that's not only above average but downright excellent. The ones near the top have iconic track after iconic track, it's kinda unreal how many hits in a row some of these games have when you sit down and look at them. IMO, there isn't a single track in IN that isn't great. And even at their weakest, Touhou osts aren't unpleasant to listen to, and there still are a handful of great songs. Probably the only exception is HRtP; maybe it's because it's the first in the series, but it's the most meh overall, even if there are still some good songs in it.
idk, there's so much good music and it's seemingly so easy to get ahold of, even with 50 tracks to match Terry I'm sure there'd be glaring omissions. Quick math: only counting stage and character themes, you've got 14 for 6-17 (except 9), plus the Phantasm stage in PCB and the alternate themes in stage 4 and 6 in IN for a total of 144. Then you have to add in the PC98 games, the fighting games, the other official spin-offs, and the menu & ending themes, and the total approaches, what, around 200? probably more than that. Even accepting a lot of those tracks probably aren't of the caliber to be included in smash, you probably would whittle the list down to 80 or 100 and even then start marking tough decisions. I'd give it a try, but, uh, busy atm, maybe later lol.
For example we could get mii costumes of:I personally think her costume set would be half Touhou/Half Indie, but I don't imagine that every indie Costume in FP2 would be included with her, but I could see most of them come with her. yes
I'm counting Travis as Marvelous/Grasshopper Manufacture, not indie. no Minecraft content counts as indie either to meI take it this doesn't include Travis as an indie
Cause if not, this is true. Between a character like Shovel Knight that already has Model ingame, Hollow Knight who's popular indie in same vain as Sans and Cuphead, Shantae who's popular with Nintendo crowd and Matt is being silent on her being in Smash (in some form), and Five Nights at Freddy's, which is also very Iconic and popular indie Franchise, there still alot of candidates for Indie costume or presence we haven't seen
The other thing though is that I Imagine around half of Reimu's Hypothetical Mii Pack would be based of her Franchise. Granted Banjo came with none, but most of the other DLC Franchises did. I guess also something to consider is will her pack also contain any Returning costumes? There is at least one Fighter Pack that will contain no Returning costumes since Monster Hunter will come as a Set, and Lloyd in another pack, leaving 1 pack to have Entirely new costumes. I could see Reimu being this if she was in
I personally think her costume set would be half Touhou/Half Indie, but I don't imagine that every indie Costume in FP2 would be included with her, but I could see most of them come with her. yes
Bendy would be the closet thing to having Mickey Mouse in the game, so I'll take itFor example we could get mii costumes of:
- Marisa
- Remilia
- Flandre
- Shantae
- Freddy Fazbear
- Bendy (Bendy and the Ink Machine)
I think I'm with 7NATOR on this one, Reimu probably would come with some Indie characters from other series, but plenty of Touhou characters are iconic indies in their own right and should be included.oh crap
you know what i just realized
we haven't had a single indie mii costume with any fighters this pass.
the only ones we've had so far are Sans withTerryBanjo and Cuphead with Byleth in pass 1
what if Reimu comes with a frick ton of indie costumes???
including the Hollow Knight costume from the LoL rumor and/or Among Us Crewmate
I was waiting for a TD respecter to challenge my placing. I do think it has some great songs, but especially in their original compositions they're kinda forgettable for me. What's kinda surprising though is, in my experience, people who like TD seem to dislike DDC and visa versa, but you've rated both highly.A few weeks ago I've done a ranking of every song from the mainline Windows games. Afterwards I calculated their average placement and ranked them all in a big tier list. Even though I immediately regretted some decisions I think this still ended up as a pretty accurate representation of my taste.
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Most unpopular opinions are probably LoLK and SA being as low as they are as well as having TD in top tier but I absolutely fell in love with this game's music after grinding for the 1cc.
Both Freddy Fazbear and Bendy would be deluxe mii costumes. Both could also come with additional music tracks.Bendy would be the closet thing to having Mickey Mouse in the game, so I'll take it
But personally, I honestly don't see Bendy though, which is kind of a Shame
Everyone else I do see though. I also Assume Freddy would be premium perhaps
I think that was you can't rip a sprite from the offical games to place in your new one. As this will be most likely a 3d model, Sakurai can make it based on any design reimu has had and it would be fine, as the model itself is made from scratchI do wonder tho what design Reimu would use
ZUN’s policy for non-Touhou games is you can’t use assets directly from the mainline games right? I imagine that includes her usual official designs. Maybe basing her design off one of her Figmas?
As someone said, you could count travis as a Indie, but you can say we have't had a single deluxe Indie costume this pass. And if we got a Indie rep, I feel their pass would have a bunch of Indie mii fighters, outside of the 2-3 ones tied to the characters being released.oh crap
you know what i just realized
we haven't had a single indie mii costume with any fighters this pass.
the only ones we've had so far are Sans withTerryBanjo and Cuphead with Byleth in pass 1
what if Reimu comes with a frick ton of indie costumes???
including the Hollow Knight costume from the LoL rumor and/or Among Us Crewmate
This makes me wonder, where/when did the midriff become a popular design for her in fan works? I know she's never had an outfit like that in the official games.No, official assets in fan games is the sticking point. Most fan games stick pretty close to Reimu's typical outfit. Though, Reimu's outfit is changed, if only slightly, in basically every game so "standard design" has a bit of wiggle room. Sakurai would probably keep it very close to the official games.
Though, would ZUN's "no official assets" rule affect whether spirits get into the game? Probably not. The rule's likely there to stop people from being too lazy with their fangames, in the context of Smash I'd guess ZUN would understand what spirits are and be ok with it. Still worth considering ig, if only to dismiss the thought.
Well, idk when it first became popular, but it's not exactly hard to imagine why.This makes me wonder, where/when did the midriff become a popular design for her in fan works? I know she's never had an outfit like that in the official games.
I really like them both but for different reasons. TD just nails the atmosphere, the stage songs especially do such a great job at setting the mood. How could someone not imagine Kyouko doing her morning duties with Welcome to Youkai Temple playing in the background? DDC on the other hand has just plain banging boss music.I think I'm with 7NATOR on this one, Reimu probably would come with some Indie characters from other series, but plenty of Touhou characters are iconic indies in their own right and should be included.
I was waiting for a TD respecter to challenge my placing. I do think it has some great songs, but especially in their original compositions they're kinda forgettable for me. What's kinda surprising though is, in my experience, people who like TD seem to dislike DDC and visa versa, but you've rated both highly.
If I were to use this reference image to make a Smashified amalgamation of Reimu I'd say it'll be like this:
Spell Bubble (a puzzle game akin to Bubble Bobble) has a demo if you feel like trying it out. Personally I feel the main game is too expensive but the demo is pretty fun. Can't say I tried others on switch myself but I often hear of Genso Wanderer and Azure Reflections.So aside from Luna Nights what other 2hu spin-offs on switch do y’all recommend? I saw that there’s an RPG on the eshop, is it good?
Haven't played it myself yet but Touhou Gensou Skydrift is currently on sale. It's a racing game similar to Double Dash.So aside from Luna Nights what other 2hu spin-offs on switch do y’all recommend? I saw that there’s an RPG on the eshop, is it good?
Genso Wanderer is pretty good it's like the Pokemon Mystery Dungeon games in terms of genre and it can be a bit difficult at times but that might have just been me.So aside from Luna Nights what other 2hu spin-offs on switch do y’all recommend? I saw that there’s an RPG on the eshop, is it good?
Yoiyami Dreamer and Yoiyami Dancers are currently Japanese-only. They are both cute (and hard) as heck games featuring Rumia, and most of the story in the former is non-verbal anyway. Dreamer is like some kind of Bubble Bobble/Snow Bros/Saboten Bombers arcade game. Dancers is a rhythm bullet hell game, think Necrodancer meets Touhou.So aside from Luna Nights what other 2hu spin-offs on switch do y’all recommend? I saw that there’s an RPG on the eshop, is it good?
Are they still supporting the game or is it complete?Haven't played it myself yet but Touhou Gensou Skydrift is currently on sale. It's a racing game similar to Double Dash.
And although it's not on Switch I can highly suggest Touhou Puppet Dance Performance if you're a Pokemon fan. My favorite fangame out there probably.
They are not unfortunately. However there is a mod made by the western community that adds the characters from 15.5-17.Are they still supporting the game or is it complete?
I'd want English VA for whichever lines are voiced. She has no canon JP voice, so there'd be no reason not to dub, and with a character like Reimu who's not very well known in the West, it'd be very important to take every available opportunity to let fans connect with her. English dialogue would go a long way there. With that said, I wouldn't be surprised if she would have no actual full lines (kinda like Zelda, for example). Strikes me as the kind of thing Sakurai might do.I really need to get better with SKydrift. Love the idea but I cannot figure out how to best control it...
Are they still supporting the game or is it complete?
EDIT: Brought up in the KOS-MOS thread but wanted to ask here. If Reimu is in smash, will she be voiced in Just Japanese, or both Japanese and English? And who would you like to voice her?
I don't know Japanese VA's off the top of my head sadly, but for english her voiced by CHristina Vee would be amazing
I didn't mind this too much honestly. Love exploring huge, open areas with lots of stuff to find. But yeah, I can see why other people would have a problem with this. Former Hell specifically was incredibly confusing to navigate.The only issue I had with Puppet Dance Performance was the map design sometimes got too pointlessly mazelike in dungeons. Places like SDM, Forest of Magic etc have a lot of nested branching paths with really samey visuals, and not much reward for exploring them.
It's interesting to think about. She's never had an official voice actor, but Touhou characters are pretty talkative. I could at least see her getting some voice grunts. There's also Touhou's largely Japan-centric nature. Maybe she'll speak solely in Japanese to represent that, maybe Sakurai will decide Touhou has enough pull in the Western world to give her an English VA.Brought up in the KOS-MOS thread but wanted to ask here. If Reimu is in smash, will she be voiced in Just Japanese, or both Japanese and English? And who would you like to voice her?
I don't know Japanese VA's off the top of my head sadly, but for english her voiced by CHristina Vee would be amazing
So aside from Luna Nights what other 2hu spin-offs on switch do y’all recommend? I saw that there’s an RPG on the eshop, is it good?
I think most people have brought up the good ones. I'll just add Skydrift is pretty good. There's mild jank, and the visuals leave a little to be desired, but the tight gameplay and fun remixes more than make up for it. It also has local and online multiplayer (though I haven't gotten a chance to try either out )how's Azure Reflections and Sky Arena Matsuri CLIMAX?
Since Azure Reflections is on sale I think I’ll go for thatI think most people have brought up the good ones. I'll just add Skydrift is pretty good. There's mild jank, and the visuals leave a little to be desired, but the tight gameplay and fun remixes more than make up for it. It also has local and online multiplayer (though I haven't gotten a chance to try either out )
Azure Reflections is also a good one people missed. It's a danmaku fangame, but unlike the official Touhou games which are vertical bullet hells, AR is a horizontal shooter, with full 3D models, Japanese VA, and some unique mechanics. These make it rather beginner friendly, while higher difficulties should still provide challenge for experienced players.
Haven't played Sky Arena, or seen it played much really. It's an areal arena fighter, I guess the closest game I could compare it to is DB Xeoverse, but I'm not sure how close a comparison they are. The impression I've gotten is somewhat mixed.
While I'm not against a voice actor, I could also see them taking the voiceless route and have the dialogue boxes pop up for taunts and victory screens (it would be pretty cool if they also included a victory quote for every opponent in the game, though that might be getting my hopes up a bit much ((vs Mario) "You jump pretty high for a human, are you sure you're not a youkai?", (vs Palutena) "A goddess, huh? I wonder where in the myriad gods you fit in...", (vs Reimu) "Isn't it about time you stopped impersonating me, tanooki?", etc).Brought up in the KOS-MOS thread but wanted to ask here. If Reimu is in smash, will she be voiced in Just Japanese, or both Japanese and English? And who would you like to voice her?
If her victory dialogue box against Sephiroth isn’t “Sagume, is that you?!” I’ll be disappointedWhile I'm not against a voice actor, I could also see them taking the voiceless route and have the dialogue boxes pop up for taunts and victory screens (it would be pretty cool if they also included a victory quote for every opponent in the game, though that might be getting my hopes up a bit much ((vs Mario) "You jump pretty high for a human, are you sure you're not a youkai?", (vs Palutena) "A goddess, huh? I wonder where in the myriad gods you fit in...", (vs Reimu) "Isn't it about time you stopped impersonating me, tanooki?", etc).