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IF. IF he grabs you.
AGAINST ONE OTHER CHARACTER IN THE CAST. Wow, DK is rendered helpless versus DDD's standing infinite. You have thirty-something odd other characters to choose from for the match-up against DDD. Cheese and rice, man. You have plenty of options available to you.
It is impossible to avoid the grab.
>__> Since every character in Brawl kinda plays like Melee Jiggs, I would expect the DK player to make it difficult for DDD to approach. You know, like doing a psuedo wall of pain with b-airs and **** like that to KEEP THE DDD FROM GRABBING HIM. Or, you know, the DK could space-and-bait grabs deliberately so that he could capitalize on an opening. Sure it may be difficult with the Waddle-Something spam, but eh.
you don't have to ONLY use it for that, but it's safer to. Why would we ban a natural matchup advantage to a character? Let's ban MK's dair against fox while we're at it.
Then you wouldn't need to play that character. If you never lost with the character you are playing, why would you want to play a different character anyways? this is the worst example i've ever seen.
You have pull, Scotu. Get that d-air banned straightaway.
They make the matchup **** hard (70:30) to the point where you'll never play it if you can avoid it, which has the same effect as a 100:0 matchup.
First off.
You can not compare an attack to a grab. 70:30 is much better than 100:0.
Marvel vs. Capcom 2 happens to be one of the most Competitive fight games in the history of fighting games and it has several characters with infinites (none of which are banned).
What part of "Competitive gaming isn't fair. Life isn't fair." was confusing for you?
But you see, we ban maps which we feel imbalance and/or over-centralize the game as a whole. Also, most maps in Starcraft are user created.
AFAIK I know, "Bluestorm" is a user created map. It's as easy banning it as it is to create a new map that is not wholly unfair. It's an entirely different concept that banning something that was already in the game. That's like if Blizzard introduced an unfair advantage for Protoss tomorrow, the Competitive Starcraft community would ban it, like if carriers cost 150 minerals and 50 gas, Carriers would have to be banned.
What part of the word "roughly" is confusing you? Stop whining about this. It is irrelevent. I've been using the word "roughly" ever since you first whined about this. You're just clamoring for something to "win" over me by.
No, they do not.
Neither does CF vs. MK.
Not all match-ups are fair. Suffer.
But you also think that Captain Falcon vs. Meta Knight isn't an unwinnable match-up.
We care about the game as a whole, not about single match-ups because we're so heavily biased we want to be able to play as our "favorite character", because, apparently, that's pretty much the only reason to play Brawl.
They lost this in the first thread. And they haven't been able to come up with any new arguments since.
Luigi Player believes 80-20s are winnable and not at all impossible match-ups, remember? Heck, he even thinks 90-10s are winnable.
Better =/= Winnable
No, it is not. Because we only care what happens when two people of roughly equal skill face up at the highest level of the metagame (i.e., not with one side repeatedly suiciding or some such).
If there is a chance, it can happen.
And I keep telling you that by your own inane logic, DK vs. D3 is not unwinnable either!
So could DK triumphing over D3. I've told you why. I just said it again. But you just refuse to listen.
Do you seriously not get what he's saying?
Yeah.
You're argument is horrible, I'd stop why you're ahead. Seriously, I just started reading your argument not to long ago and you've already been pushed aside with idiot inscribed in your forehead.
BUT!
No one has denied this. But it is still an unwinnable/impossible match-up.
Yes, if CF is just tons better than D3, yes. But the same can be said about DK vs. D3.
DK vs. D3 is harder to win, but either they are both unwinnable or they are both winnable.
No, he really couldn't. Only a few more. Because he's that bad.
I never said they were the same. I always said it as easier to lose as DK vs. D3 than CF vs. MK. I always said CF. vs DK is 80-20 and not 100-0 or 95-5.
MK does not always 1-stock CF. What are you talking about? At roughly equal levels of skill at the highest level of play, CF gets 3-stocked by MK.
I always accidentally write Stargate instead of Starcraft due to myself being an avid Stargate fan and also frequenting a forum for it while almost never having to type out the word "Starcraft". Bad habit.
Yeah but the Captain Falcon could've won much more easy than the DK.
This.
Age does not guarantee wisdom. Experience does not guarantee knowledge.
No, but more often then not the later join dates are more knowledgeable, then person from the earlier join dates (unless they lurked for years, like I did) are "noobier".
I think we all get the point that even in matchups, things CAN happen. There is a possibility.
Epic.
Might as well be. There is 304 pages here of all the same thing being said over and over for both sides and nobody is getting anywhere. Plus Luigi player is not helping the pro ban cause right now...
